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Boxerbeetle wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Haye wont have any tune ups. He just wants a title shot and a massive payday. If he gets both and loses he will retire again. If he wins, he'll defend until he loses and retire again.

Agreed. Haye is long past caring about his 'legacy'; I doubt he even knows what his win/loss record is anymore. He's now in it for filthy lucre only, as much as he can get in as short a time as possible, nothing more.

And how do you know this?

keithmoonhangover wrote:

Boxerbeetle wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Haye wont have any tune ups. He just wants a title shot and a massive payday. If he gets both and loses he will retire again. If he wins, he'll defend until he loses and retire again.

Agreed. Haye is long past caring about his 'legacy'; I doubt he even knows what his win/loss record is anymore. He's now in it for filthy lucre only, as much as he can get in as short a time as possible, nothing more.

And how do you know this?

He told me.

I fully agree with the above. Haye is only here to make fast very easy money. I cant see him fighting for a world title. Another bum will follow thats for sure

Boxerbeetle wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:

Boxerbeetle wrote:
Agreed. Haye is long past caring about his 'legacy'; I doubt he even knows what his win/loss record is anymore. He's now in it for filthy lucre only, as much as he can get in as short a time as possible, nothing more.

And how do you know this?

He told me.

He told me the opposite.

Needs a taller man

Haye is doing some commentary for BAMMA tonight.
Any idea when his opponent is being announced?

It' strange how he did'nt approach Martin before matchroom did. I can see Haye sparking martin.

Casper Gomez wrote:It' strange how he did'nt approach Martin before matchroom did. I can see Haye sparking martin.

Martin called out AJ.
Less money and more risk for Martin with Haye...

Haye doesn't fight on May 21st. If Joshua beats Martin, he will be Joshua's first defence in Wembley

brian13 wrote:Haye doesn't fight on May 21st. If Joshua beats Martin, he will be Joshua's first defence in Wembley

No way, far too much risk, it's a fight that will happen in the future but not now, a few defences and maybe a mandatory against ta few of the inf top ten first. Let Haye get some decent wins huge fight at Wembley summer 2017.

Nightmare Roy wrote:

brian13 wrote:Haye doesn't fight on May 21st. If Joshua beats Martin, he will be Joshua's first defence in Wembley

No way, far too much risk, it's a fight that will happen in the future but not now, a few defences and maybe a mandatory against ta few of the inf top ten first. Let Haye get some decent wins huge fight at Wembley summer 2017.

going on past form i dont think theyd be petrified of making a fortune fighting haye. not sure what people see in him as a HW. best win valuev whod been beaten by chagaev and had questionable win against ruiz(!!) and hes petrified of anyone with power

Nightmare Roy wrote:

brian13 wrote:Haye doesn't fight on May 21st. If Joshua beats Martin, he will be Joshua's first defence in Wembley

No way, far too much risk, it's a fight that will happen in the future but not now, a few defences and maybe a mandatory against ta few of the inf top ten first. Let Haye get some decent wins huge fight at Wembley summer 2017.

Give Haye a few more fights and he will be a better fighter. I said it after Di Mori, AJ should fight Haye at the quickest opportunity because the risk would be less than a fight against Haye after a few fights.

Haye sold the 02 out fighting a punchbag, so the money is there for the fight. There is less risk fighting him in 2016 than 2017.

brian13 wrote:

Nightmare Roy wrote:

brian13 wrote:Haye doesn't fight on May 21st. If Joshua beats Martin, he will be Joshua's first defence in Wembley

No way, far too much risk, it's a fight that will happen in the future but not now, a few defences and maybe a mandatory against ta few of the inf top ten first. Let Haye get some decent wins huge fight at Wembley summer 2017.

Give Haye a few more fights and he will be a better fighter. I said it after Di Mori, AJ should fight Haye at the quickest opportunity because the risk would be less than a fight against Haye after a few fights.

Haye sold the 02 out fighting a punchbag, so the money is there for the fight. There is less risk fighting him in 2016 than 2017.

i hope your right, I'd love to see it.

brian13 wrote:

Nightmare Roy wrote:

brian13 wrote:Haye doesn't fight on May 21st. If Joshua beats Martin, he will be Joshua's first defence in Wembley

No way, far too much risk, it's a fight that will happen in the future but not now, a few defences and maybe a mandatory against ta few of the inf top ten first. Let Haye get some decent wins huge fight at Wembley summer 2017.

Give Haye a few more fights and he will be a better fighter. I said it after Di Mori, AJ should fight Haye at the quickest opportunity because the risk would be less than a fight against Haye after a few fights.

Haye sold the 02 out fighting a punchbag, so the money is there for the fight. There is less risk fighting him in 2016 than 2017.

I don't think money is a massive issue. It's not like Joshua is struggling to sell out arena's or selling PPV.

And the argument that AJ should fight Haye now while he's rusty is a null argument. Many would say that Haye should fight AJ while he's still a novice. I don't think Haye is rusty enough for AJ to take advantage of, he's a seasoned pro. How good he actually is, is a difficult question. He hasn't really beaten anyone of serious note (in my opinion), but that's more a reflection of the heavyweight division of his time, rather than Haye's ability.

What it does do though is pave the way for a fight between Joshua and Haye in 2017 where Joshua can continue to develop towards world level, and Haye can hone his skills for the top level. Who wins that one is another conundrum altogether. We'll know a lot more about each fighter in the next 3-4 fights, as they step up their opposition.

So, opening myself up to some ridicule here, me and three other lads (who all think it will be one slightly better than crap undercard fight and a two rounds max main event, so at least we're not expecting the night to end all nights) have purchased cheapo tickets for this. With all the fights being made in the HW division, I want to go over the landscape and the rapidly dwindling list of possible decent opponents. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Klitschko is fighting Fury
Wilder is fighting Povetkin
Joshua is fighting Martin
Takam is fighting Parker
Ortiz is fighting Thompson
Chisora is fighting Pulev
Chagaev is fighting Browne
Helenius is fighting that bloke Wilder beat, can't be bothered to look up his name Duphapus or something
I hear rumbles that Ustinov is fighting Hughie Fury
Teper is banned for now, right? As is Antonio Tarver?

I would think that as Haye wants to improve his ranking and get made mandatory he'll have to go through the top tens of the alphabets somehow. Here's the fighters that seem to be free at the moment:

Bermane Stiverne, Bryant Jennings, Malik Scott, Tomasz Adamek (is he still fighting?) are all top 10 for the WBC. Personally, if it's ANY of these guys it could be a lot worse. I'd like to see Stiverne and although it's years too late Haye-Adamek was a cool fight to be made 5 years ago and I would't mind seeing it still.

The WBA is the weirdest with Shannon Briggs at number 4 and Oquendo (who is tied up to fight the winner of Chagaev Brown anyway isn't he?) and Tarver and Teper still in the top ten which means it's basically a top ten of cheats, old men and banned fighters and any chance of being a mandatory tied up for a while. This means hopefully Haye's team sees it as pointless fighting any of these guys if it's a means to an end, as a win wouldn't get him any closer to a mandatory.

The WBO has Wallisch, Fedesov and Andy Ruiz none of which I have ever seen fight. I've seen pictures of Andy Ruiz and hey, maybe he can fight but the kid looks like he barely trains at all. Maybe they're good fights but who could honestly give a toss about seeing these fights?

The IBF has Cunningham (who's back down at cruiser) Stiverne, Ruiz and Teper still for some reason?

So, of the available leftovers I can see a Stiverne fight as probably the best one out there, followed by Teper who is still ranked and looks like he'll probably get away with the doping.

My biggest fear is that Haye will get offered a bigger fight down the line and just pull out of the May date with an injury. This would be the 3rd time he has done this to me (what with his first aborted 'comeback' and the Fury fights) and I really don't know how I've come up for this again.

It's got Malik Scott written all over it for me. Ranking. Good talker. Plenty tats for the weigh in. Good looking record. Zero threat

fizzjambo wrote:It's got Malik Scott written all over it for me. Ranking. Good talker. Plenty tats for the weigh in. Good looking record. Zero threat

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I reckon it's probably already agreed, Haye is just waiting for the Frampton/Quigg fallout to recede before announcing it.

Any idea what platform he'll use for this one? You reckon they'll go Sky? Surely not PPV...

fizzjambo wrote:It's got Malik Scott written all over it for me. Ranking. Good talker. Plenty tats for the weigh in. Good looking record. Zero threat

It's not though really, is it? His best win (against the increasingly ancient Tony Thompson) went almost completely under the radar and to me just shows how far Tony has slipped rather than if Malik has improved. I didn't even know he'd beaten Leapi until I looked at his record and to be honest I think everybody only really knows him for getting up at 9 in the Chisora fight and being KO'd by a cuffing slap against Wilder for what I can only assume was a fat brown envelope full of Haymon dosh.

I don't mind the Scott fight as there's clearly worse fights to be made but I suppose I now have an interest in it, having tickets, and would just like to see the best possible opponent in the opposite corner. At one point I was hopeful that it would be Takam as that would have made Haye AJ's mandatory if he beats Martin. That would have set everything up perfectly.

Even though Scott's ranked with the WBC he's still only 10th so beating him isn't going to move Haye up much more than beating DeMori. Stiverne however is 3rd. Joshua is 2nd. If Joshua beats Martin, then he drops out of the rankings and if Haye beats Stiverne he becomes mandatory for the winner of Povetkin/Wilder, right? Or am I just confusing myself?

Anyway fighting Scott is kinda pointless if he genuinely wants a belt.

Rob3_142 wrote:Any idea what platform he'll use for this one? You reckon they'll go Sky? Surely not PPV...

I think if it's somebody like Scott he's going to have to stick with Dave.

clopixolacuphase wrote:

fizzjambo wrote:It's got Malik Scott written all over it for me. Ranking. Good talker. Plenty tats for the weigh in. Good looking record. Zero threat

It's not though really, is it? His best win (against the increasingly ancient Tony Thompson) went almost completely under the radar and to me just shows how far Tony has slipped rather than if Malik has improved. I didn't even know he'd beaten Leapi until I looked at his record and to be honest I think everybody only really knows him for getting up at 9 in the Chisora fight and being KO'd by a cuffing slap against Wilder for what I can only assume was a fat brown envelope full of Haymon dosh.

I don't mind the Scott fight as there's clearly worse fights to be made but I suppose I now have an interest in it, having tickets, and would just like to see the best possible opponent in the opposite corner. At one point I was hopeful that it would be Takam as that would have made Haye AJ's mandatory if he beats Martin. That would have set everything up perfectly.

Even though Scott's ranked with the WBC he's still only 10th so beating him isn't going to move Haye up much more than beating DeMori. Stiverne however is 3rd. Joshua is 2nd. If Joshua beats Martin, then he drops out of the rankings and if Haye beats Stiverne he becomes mandatory for the winner of Povetkin/Wilder, right? Or am I just confusing myself?

Anyway fighting Scott is kinda pointless if he genuinely wants a belt.

The numbers in his record look good, that's what I was getting at and it can be sold as 38-2-1 Malik Scott vs David Haye to a casual audience. It's a big step up from De Mori but you're right, it's only interesting in guessing when Haye will knock him out.

I don't think Haye will force a mandatory - I think Joshua or probably even Fury and the winner of Chagaev/Browne will see that he brings PPV money and that's what will get him the gig

fizzjambo wrote:

clopixolacuphase wrote:

fizzjambo wrote:It's got Malik Scott written all over it for me. Ranking. Good talker. Plenty tats for the weigh in. Good looking record. Zero threat

It's not though really, is it? His best win (against the increasingly ancient Tony Thompson) went almost completely under the radar and to me just shows how far Tony has slipped rather than if Malik has improved. I didn't even know he'd beaten Leapi until I looked at his record and to be honest I think everybody only really knows him for getting up at 9 in the Chisora fight and being KO'd by a cuffing slap against Wilder for what I can only assume was a fat brown envelope full of Haymon dosh.

I don't mind the Scott fight as there's clearly worse fights to be made but I suppose I now have an interest in it, having tickets, and would just like to see the best possible opponent in the opposite corner. At one point I was hopeful that it would be Takam as that would have made Haye AJ's mandatory if he beats Martin. That would have set everything up perfectly.

Even though Scott's ranked with the WBC he's still only 10th so beating him isn't going to move Haye up much more than beating DeMori. Stiverne however is 3rd. Joshua is 2nd. If Joshua beats Martin, then he drops out of the rankings and if Haye beats Stiverne he becomes mandatory for the winner of Povetkin/Wilder, right? Or am I just confusing myself?

Anyway fighting Scott is kinda pointless if he genuinely wants a belt.

The numbers in his record look good, that's what I was getting at and it can be sold as 38-2-1 Malik Scott vs David Haye to a casual audience. It's a big step up from De Mori but you're right, it's only interesting in guessing when Haye will knock him out.

I don't think Haye will force a mandatory - I think Joshua or probably even Fury and the winner of Chagaev/Browne will see that he brings PPV money and that's what will get him the gig

If he takes a guy like Scott to PPV he will see that he does not quite bring the money everyone thinks he does. His last fight dd good numbers because it was free, and because boxing is hot right now in the UK the 02 (which once seemed a huge venue for boxing when I first started to go and see fights there) is now not that hard a venue to sell out for a big fight as evidenced by Joshua's recent successes. Not that many people are going to shell out to watch Haye-Scott on PPV. It'll tank.

clopixolacuphase wrote:

fizzjambo wrote:

clopixolacuphase wrote: It's not though really, is it? His best win (against the increasingly ancient Tony Thompson) went almost completely under the radar and to me just shows how far Tony has slipped rather than if Malik has improved. I didn't even know he'd beaten Leapi until I looked at his record and to be honest I think everybody only really knows him for getting up at 9 in the Chisora fight and being KO'd by a cuffing slap against Wilder for what I can only assume was a fat brown envelope full of Haymon dosh.

I don't mind the Scott fight as there's clearly worse fights to be made but I suppose I now have an interest in it, having tickets, and would just like to see the best possible opponent in the opposite corner. At one point I was hopeful that it would be Takam as that would have made Haye AJ's mandatory if he beats Martin. That would have set everything up perfectly.

Even though Scott's ranked with the WBC he's still only 10th so beating him isn't going to move Haye up much more than beating DeMori. Stiverne however is 3rd. Joshua is 2nd. If Joshua beats Martin, then he drops out of the rankings and if Haye beats Stiverne he becomes mandatory for the winner of Povetkin/Wilder, right? Or am I just confusing myself?

Anyway fighting Scott is kinda pointless if he genuinely wants a belt.

The numbers in his record look good, that's what I was getting at and it can be sold as 38-2-1 Malik Scott vs David Haye to a casual audience. It's a big step up from De Mori but you're right, it's only interesting in guessing when Haye will knock him out.

I don't think Haye will force a mandatory - I think Joshua or probably even Fury and the winner of Chagaev/Browne will see that he brings PPV money and that's what will get him the gig

If he takes a guy like Scott to PPV he will see that he does not quite bring the money everyone thinks he does. His last fight dd good numbers because it was free, and because boxing is hot right now in the UK the 02 (which once seemed a huge venue for boxing when I first started to go and see fights there) is now not that hard a venue to sell out for a big fight as evidenced by Joshua's recent successes. Not that many people are going to shell out to watch Haye-Scott on PPV. It'll tank.

Couldn't agree more but it's not what I meant. Scott won't be PPV, if the fight happens. I'd reckon it'll be on somewhere where a large audience can see it which will pay dividends down the line. What I meant was that Haye will do huge PPV business with a WC , esp if that is Fury or Joshua

I don't think we're disagreeing really. I suppose what I'm saying is that even though Haye can fill the 02 and do big numbers on free TV, that's still not going to make anybody he can make the serious money with want to fight him anytime soon. Since he's come back, Fury has flat out told him to jog on, Eddie Hearn barely mentions him as an afterthought in Ifilm interviews as a future Joshua opponent. Wilder is so protected (and that's not even taking into account the sparring they've had) that his handlers won't even let him near Haye unless he's a mandatory. Haye is not the walking ATM he thinks he is, at least as far as the big players are concerned. They'll be quite content to fight each other and will be making plenty of money doing it and I don't see why they'll bother with Haye unless he starts taking impressive scalps (I'm talking your Takams, your Pulevs, your Stiverne's) and forces a mandatory.

I think Haye-Fury or Haye-Joshua sells very well, Haye is a good salesman and does bring in fans who probably wouldn't buy those two's rights otherwise.