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caldo2025 wrote:

Deadendgeneration wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:
Khan's a different fighter at this weight. He's not sucked down and he's got a better chin because he's not worn down from using the whole training camp to lose weight. Yeah, he almost got beaten by Algieri but I think he took that bout VERY lightly. He'll come in prepared and give Canelo a great test. I honestly think so and if he can avoid the knockout, which will be tough because Canelo's also gotten a lot better, then I think it's going to be a tight decision that he could win.

Maybe I'm wrong. I'm in the minority for sure so I understand where you all are coming from. But it will definitely be a great night either way you look at it. That I'm sure of.

Khan hasn't been at welterweight long and isn't big for the weight. As for that making his chin better, you based that on...?

He's not big for a Welterweight but making 140 was killing the kid and it was evident in a lot of his fights notoriously fading badly in those fights. I was an Div 1 -NCAA Wrestler and know way more than I want to know about sucking weight and the effects it has physiologically to the body and performance in combat sports. Scientifically, i could explain my case but you'd fall asleep. But the easiest and quickest factor is simply, reaction time is slowed with drastic water weight loss. Couple that with a depleted body fatiguing faster than a healthy one. In a sport like boxing and with Khan's history in the ring, it's the difference between have the ability to #1 avoid a punch and #2 having a healthy body to withstand it.

Go back and look at Khan's fights since moving up. 140 pound fighters were giving Khan spaghetti legs in every fight pretty much but he hasn't been buzzed once since moving up and facing larger opposition. That's probably the best proof.

Badhusker wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:

Deadendgeneration wrote:
Khan hasn't been at welterweight long and isn't big for the weight. As for that making his chin better, you based that on...?

He's not big for a Welterweight but making 140 was killing the kid and it was evident in a lot of his fights notoriously fading badly in those fights. I was an Div 1 -NCAA Wrestler and know way more than I want to know about sucking weight and the effects it has physiologically to the body and performance in combat sports. Scientifically, i could explain my case but you'd fall asleep. But the easiest and quickest factor is simply, reaction time is slowed with drastic water weight loss. Couple that with a depleted body fatiguing faster than a healthy one. In a sport like boxing and with Khan's history in the ring, it's the difference between have the ability to #1 avoid a punch and #2 having a healthy body to withstand it.

Go back and look at Khan's fights since moving up. 140 pound fighters were giving Khan spaghetti legs in every fight pretty much but he hasn't been buzzed once since moving up and facing larger opposition. That's probably the best proof.

Khan hasn't been buzzed once? I guess you must not have watched Julio Diaz put him on his ass, or Collazo and Algieri having him buzzed. None of the three are big punchers. He has gotten better mostly due to Hunter helping him stay in a position where he sees most punches coming and being better at holding. His offense, however, has gotten worse imo. Khan blames his weak chin on his weight and if that doesn't work, its the trainer's fault...its never him.

caldo2025 wrote: I said Khan wasn't buzzed at 147 yet...He dominated Collazo in each and every round...And, your Diaz reference makes no sense because the fight was at 142 I believe so not even sure why you mention it.

caldo2025 wrote:At 140, Khan was buzzed in every single fight and limped to the final bell in all of them with spaghetti legs. .

caldo2025 wrote:

Deadendgeneration wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:
Khan's a different fighter at this weight. He's not sucked down and he's got a better chin because he's not worn down from using the whole training camp to lose weight. Yeah, he almost got beaten by Algieri but I think he took that bout VERY lightly. He'll come in prepared and give Canelo a great test. I honestly think so and if he can avoid the knockout, which will be tough because Canelo's also gotten a lot better, then I think it's going to be a tight decision that he could win.

Maybe I'm wrong. I'm in the minority for sure so I understand where you all are coming from. But it will definitely be a great night either way you look at it. That I'm sure of.

Khan hasn't been at welterweight long and isn't big for the weight. As for that making his chin better, you based that on...?

He's not big for a Welterweight but making 140 was killing the kid and it was evident in a lot of his fights notoriously fading badly in those fights. I was an Div 1 -NCAA Wrestler and know way more than I want to know about sucking weight and the effects it has physiologically to the body and performance in combat sports. Scientifically, i could explain my case but you'd fall asleep. But the easiest and quickest factor is simply, reaction time is slowed with drastic water weight loss. Couple that with a depleted body fatiguing faster than a healthy one. In a sport like boxing and with Khan's history in the ring, it's the difference between have the ability to #1 avoid a punch and #2 having a healthy body to withstand it.

Go back and look at Khan's fights since moving up. 140 pound fighters were giving Khan spaghetti legs in every fight pretty much but he hasn't been buzzed once since moving up and facing larger opposition. That's probably the best proof.

DrunkenBoxer wrote:155lb is not middleweight. I am sick of this! Canelo really needs a beat down by a REAL 160lb middleweight champ.

caldo2025 wrote:

ImranSarwar wrote:Caldo2025: Canelo congratulations for continuing to take tough fights (?)
Amir Khan an improved fighter. He impressed me against Luis Callazo. But...he has that "psychotic" boxer/combat background to DEAL with! How does he escape his past against a heavier fighter who is as consistent as Canelo?
Also: don't get too bent because they fight at 155! What would the governing groups "step in" about? It is OUT OF THEIR HANDS! The title is 160lbs. That means UNDER 160! Their isn't anything for the groups to do! It's the fighters call completely! Why is it even any issue?

I can't understand the complaining about this fight. For years, we've been complaining about how the WW division is jacked with talent but no one wants to fight each other. If you forget about the MW belt for a second. This fight marks the 3rd fight scheduled between top Welterweights so far this year. Canelo/Khan, Thurman/Porter and Manny/Bradley. THIS is what we've been clamoring for so to complain about Mega Fight like this makes zero sense to me. If Canelo demolishes him, so what? It's still going get us closer to determining who the best fighter is 147-155.

It's hilarious. You'd rather see Gabe "my eyes bleed when i yawn" Rosado get beat up and stopped in 3 rounds instead of a boxer like Khan with fantastic speed and technique? Crazy. Just crazy.

man wrote:but you know what? in this day and age
of ducking and "managing" a move like
this from khan deserves credit.

Shirow wrote:This is quite a bizarre fight to make. Khan has the speed and movement to make Canelo look slow and silly for long periods but as soon as Canelo lands with his full 175lbs behind a punch it is over.

I don't really care as I can't think of any Canelo fight I would be interested in other than GGG but this makes me suspect he will dodge that.
He could have taken this an opportunity to fight a mediocre MW or even LMW but he has decided to fight another WW. Those aren't the actions of a fighter preparing for his first MW opponent.

ImranSarwar wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:

ImranSarwar wrote:Caldo2025: Canelo congratulations for continuing to take tough fights (?)
Amir Khan an improved fighter. He impressed me against Luis Callazo. But...he has that "psychotic" boxer/combat background to DEAL with! How does he escape his past against a heavier fighter who is as consistent as Canelo?
Also: don't get too bent because they fight at 155! What would the governing groups "step in" about? It is OUT OF THEIR HANDS! The title is 160lbs. That means UNDER 160! Their isn't anything for the groups to do! It's the fighters call completely! Why is it even any issue?

I can't understand the complaining about this fight. For years, we've been complaining about how the WW division is jacked with talent but no one wants to fight each other. If you forget about the MW belt for a second. This fight marks the 3rd fight scheduled between top Welterweights so far this year. Canelo/Khan, Thurman/Porter and Manny/Bradley. THIS is what we've been clamoring for so to complain about Mega Fight like this makes zero sense to me. If Canelo demolishes him, so what? It's still going get us closer to determining who the best fighter is 147-155.

It's hilarious. You'd rather see Gabe "my eyes bleed when i yawn" Rosado get beat up and stopped in 3 rounds instead of a boxer like Khan with fantastic speed and technique? Crazy. Just crazy.

Hi Caldo2025: Hope you are keeping well! Just wonder WHO are you talking to here! Your post ALL IS GOOD! But....this is for "general statement", right(?) : )
Have a good day you! : )

Counter-puncher wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:At 140, Khan was buzzed in every single fight and limped to the final bell in all of them with spaghetti legs. .

oh, dear.

fights at 140 where Khan wasn't remotely buzzed:

Kotelnik
Malignaggi*
Salita*
McCloskey*
Judah*

*he didn't limp to the final bell in these fights either.

never mind, you're batting at about .155 or something, not too bad by your standards.

Counter-puncher wrote:You said every single fight, you noodle. That's not me taking something literally. That's you saying something that is literally stupid. If what you really mean is 'most of the big fights', then say so. But as per so often you were just shooting kneejerk idiocy either without thought, knowledge, or both.

caldo2025 wrote:

Counter-puncher wrote:You said every single fight, you noodle. That's not me taking something literally. That's you saying something that is literally stupid. If what you really mean is 'most of the big fights', then say so. But as per so often you were just shooting kneejerk idiocy either without thought, knowledge, or both.

I think most people, that have been with a girl before, would understand I was speaking in generalities but there's always a dink to point out something off topic that means absolutely nothing. And, that dink is always you. Ask a girl out or something, take a chance man. You're cooped up. Go have some fun.

caldo2025 wrote:

Counter-puncher wrote:You said every single fight, you noodle. That's not me taking something literally. That's you saying something that is literally stupid. If what you really mean is 'most of the big fights', then say so. But as per so often you were just shooting kneejerk idiocy either without thought, knowledge, or both.

I think most people, that have been with a girl before, would understand I was speaking in generalities but there's always a dink to point out something off topic that means absolutely nothing. And, that dink is always you. Ask a girl out or something, take a chance man. You're cooped up. Go have some fun.

Counter-puncher wrote:Do you mean a haterbase is being built deliberately a la Floyd? Or just an unavoidable bit of collateral damage?