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HomicideHenry wrote:The issue with Fury is you are never quite sure if he's being tongue and cheek, or dead serious. Guess it goes back to the old adage that there is truth in joking. What bothered me out of all of it was the antisemitism, and following up on the video Fury went on a rant on Twitter concerning Palestine needing to be freed. Confuses the hell out of me, considering that the Jewish and Christian cause is to stand beside Israel. I imagine he says it because of the Muslim parties surrounding Tyson, but it troubles me.

clopixolacuphase wrote:

Sklar wrote:

clopixolacuphase wrote: It's a disjointed weird paranoid rant that barely makes any sense. He thinks the apocalypse is coming and that people are shagging cats and plastic babies: porn is everywhere. Women are dirty. Filth everywhere. Gang raping old ladies will become legal!

He sounds disturbed.

Would you not agree that over the past twenty years the consumption of pornography has escalated drastically and that the content of that porn has become increasingly deprived as people become desensitised to what has gone before?

Look, do I think Fury's heart is in the right place? Actually, yeah. His concern for people's morality is fine and I don't think he's doing anything malicious to be honest. However his comments are at best misjudged and his ideology is confused, it seemingly being a kind of cross of old testament bible thumping morality, David Ike-esque conspiracy theory and American right wing militia nut job rhetoric, with a dash of good old fashioned boorish tabloid reading ignorance thrown in.

Do I think pornography is a problem? Yeah, I guess it probably is. Everyone can look at whatever they want on their phones and people have access to pretty from stuff these days. I might be in the minority here, but I don't actually watch it to be honest so I don't really know.

Do I think there is a kind of shadowy cabal that controls the media and the world in general? Yeah. Probably. Are they shape shifting lizards, sure, why not? I kinda like David Ike and if Fury was like him I would actually think that was pretty cool. I'm reading the Illuminatus trilogy as we speak and it's all very interesting. The thing is, David Ike, whatever you think of him, researches the poo out of what he says and can stand up and give lectures for hours. He understands exactly what he is saying and can back it up, whether you agree with him or not. Fury does not appear to really know what he is talking about. Crucially, Ike explicitly has said that when he says lizards, he means LIZARDS, not Jews. To say that the Jews as a race are manipulating the media for their own nefarious ends is stupid and, considering history, very dangerous indeed.

In terms of the immorality of those in power, I think it's pretty clear that there has been a great deal of weird sexual perversion historically and there has been cover ups to hide something endemic and wide spread. The British ruling classes clearly have a big noncing problem and the fact that we are not allowed to see certain files and documents for 50 years etc, I'm amazed that we aren't rioting in the streets over this poo. HOWEVER, that's not directly related to people being gay and so what if people are gay? People have ALWAYS been gay, it's just that people are allowed to come out and admit it now. Good. I don't care. That's not the same as being a nonce and shagging animals and lumping them all into one group is again, dangerous and offensive. If your boy turned out to be gay, wouldn't you be pissed off if somebody said he was no better than a peadophile? Of course you would. It's moronic and anybody with half a brain should be able to make the distinction.

As for the religious stuff: come on, man. I don't care if people are religious. I think it's fine for them if they need that and I like the stories. I don't believe in any of it and when it gets fanatical, as Fury appears to be becoming, it's dangerous. Because if you believe yourself to be absolutely right, you believe in a dogma, then as a person, as a society, you are not able to grow and change, to adapt, to be accepting. Nothing good comes of that. Wars come of that. Fighting comes of that. Why listen to anybody else if you are right? That's trouble, right there.

Is the world going to hell in a hand basket? I don't know. Nonces weren't invented in the past 20 years. They've always been around. The Saville thing showed that didn't it? If anything people are more aware of it and are actively against it. Look at sixties literature, Hunter S Thompson, One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest: statutory rape was seen as a bit of a laugh, not really a proper crime. In fact rape itself seems to crop up a lot in writing of that time, popular culture. Wife beating was more acceptable. I'd argue that while it's more widely reported now, we're actually LESS tolerant of these things as a whole, as a society, and more aware.

I haven't read the article on the plastic baby for shagging but I can imagine it's some sensationalist non story, some typical tabloid crap that seems to fuel Tyson's bleak disgusted world view. Perhaps if he read some books, checked out something other than the tabloids and the Bible, he might learn some things about the world that didn't depress him so much.

Oh, and while I still quite like Tyson, and will be attending the fight in July, no matter whether he says he is not homophobic, racist or misogynistic, you can read the debates on here that his statements cause and it doesn't take long before his most vocal supporters descend into slagging off "homos", the British people, Muslims, whatever. And there is the problem: yes you can say what you like, but it legitimises other people's bigoted views and that should be discouraged. We should all get along because the world is divided enough as it is.

Rant over, I guess.

Sklar wrote:

clopixolacuphase wrote:

Sklar wrote:
Would you not agree that over the past twenty years the consumption of pornography has escalated drastically and that the content of that porn has become increasingly deprived as people become desensitised to what has gone before?

Look, do I think Fury's heart is in the right place? Actually, yeah. His concern for people's morality is fine and I don't think he's doing anything malicious to be honest. However his comments are at best misjudged and his ideology is confused, it seemingly being a kind of cross of old testament bible thumping morality, David Ike-esque conspiracy theory and American right wing militia nut job rhetoric, with a dash of good old fashioned boorish tabloid reading ignorance thrown in.

Do I think pornography is a problem? Yeah, I guess it probably is. Everyone can look at whatever they want on their phones and people have access to pretty from stuff these days. I might be in the minority here, but I don't actually watch it to be honest so I don't really know.

Do I think there is a kind of shadowy cabal that controls the media and the world in general? Yeah. Probably. Are they shape shifting lizards, sure, why not? I kinda like David Ike and if Fury was like him I would actually think that was pretty cool. I'm reading the Illuminatus trilogy as we speak and it's all very interesting. The thing is, David Ike, whatever you think of him, researches the poo out of what he says and can stand up and give lectures for hours. He understands exactly what he is saying and can back it up, whether you agree with him or not. Fury does not appear to really know what he is talking about. Crucially, Ike explicitly has said that when he says lizards, he means LIZARDS, not Jews. To say that the Jews as a race are manipulating the media for their own nefarious ends is stupid and, considering history, very dangerous indeed.

In terms of the immorality of those in power, I think it's pretty clear that there has been a great deal of weird sexual perversion historically and there has been cover ups to hide something endemic and wide spread. The British ruling classes clearly have a big noncing problem and the fact that we are not allowed to see certain files and documents for 50 years etc, I'm amazed that we aren't rioting in the streets over this poo. HOWEVER, that's not directly related to people being gay and so what if people are gay? People have ALWAYS been gay, it's just that people are allowed to come out and admit it now. Good. I don't care. That's not the same as being a nonce and shagging animals and lumping them all into one group is again, dangerous and offensive. If your boy turned out to be gay, wouldn't you be pissed off if somebody said he was no better than a peadophile? Of course you would. It's moronic and anybody with half a brain should be able to make the distinction.

As for the religious stuff: come on, man. I don't care if people are religious. I think it's fine for them if they need that and I like the stories. I don't believe in any of it and when it gets fanatical, as Fury appears to be becoming, it's dangerous. Because if you believe yourself to be absolutely right, you believe in a dogma, then as a person, as a society, you are not able to grow and change, to adapt, to be accepting. Nothing good comes of that. Wars come of that. Fighting comes of that. Why listen to anybody else if you are right? That's trouble, right there.

Is the world going to hell in a hand basket? I don't know. Nonces weren't invented in the past 20 years. They've always been around. The Saville thing showed that didn't it? If anything people are more aware of it and are actively against it. Look at sixties literature, Hunter S Thompson, One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest: statutory rape was seen as a bit of a laugh, not really a proper crime. In fact rape itself seems to crop up a lot in writing of that time, popular culture. Wife beating was more acceptable. I'd argue that while it's more widely reported now, we're actually LESS tolerant of these things as a whole, as a society, and more aware.

I haven't read the article on the plastic baby for shagging but I can imagine it's some sensationalist non story, some typical tabloid crap that seems to fuel Tyson's bleak disgusted world view. Perhaps if he read some books, checked out something other than the tabloids and the Bible, he might learn some things about the world that didn't depress him so much.

Oh, and while I still quite like Tyson, and will be attending the fight in July, no matter whether he says he is not homophobic, racist or misogynistic, you can read the debates on here that his statements cause and it doesn't take long before his most vocal supporters descend into slagging off "homos", the British people, Muslims, whatever. And there is the problem: yes you can say what you like, but it legitimises other people's bigoted views and that should be discouraged. We should all get along because the world is divided enough as it is.

Rant over, I guess.

Synopsis: you pretty much agree with him.

Sklar wrote:

HomicideHenry wrote:The issue with Fury is you are never quite sure if he's being tongue and cheek, or dead serious. Guess it goes back to the old adage that there is truth in joking. What bothered me out of all of it was the antisemitism, and following up on the video Fury went on a rant on Twitter concerning Palestine needing to be freed. Confuses the hell out of me, considering that the Jewish and Christian cause is to stand beside Israel. I imagine he says it because of the Muslim parties surrounding Tyson, but it troubles me.

Is the Christian cause to stand behind Israel? You're in the US where support of Israel is strong. Practically everywhere else in the world the place is generally regarded as a terrorist state. I don't support the Israelies or the Palestinians BTW.

HomicideHenry wrote: So the Christian cause, is in fact, to not be antisemetic and throw support to those who wish to take over Israel. Jesus was a Jew, after all.
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Counter-puncher wrote:

HomicideHenry wrote: So the Christian cause, is in fact, to not be antisemetic and throw support to those who wish to take over Israel. Jesus was a Jew, after all.
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What about the massacre of many European Jews that pope Urban pretty much instigated before the Crusades? Or indeed the massacre of Jews that followed in the Crusaders' sack of Jerusalem?

Sklar wrote:Henry, please take this in the spirit it is meant, are you a 'born again' Christian, and did you find God after suffering from alcohol and/or drug dependency issues?

Rexob wrote:

mickey1975 wrote:I think it's going to be a crazy atmosphere for the rematch. As the rest of the world rallies against Tyson, those in the arena will get behind him twice as much. I've got a feeling it's going to be a great night.

It's going to be a classic night of boxing

HomicideHenry wrote:

Sklar wrote:Henry, please take this in the spirit it is meant, are you a 'born again' Christian, and did you find God after suffering from alcohol and/or drug dependency issues?

Lol, I became a Christian at 18 :P and I am now 30. And no, I didn't become one due to alcohol and drugs, or anything else like that.

HomicideHenry wrote:

Sklar wrote:

HomicideHenry wrote:The issue with Fury is you are never quite sure if he's being tongue and cheek, or dead serious. Guess it goes back to the old adage that there is truth in joking. What bothered me out of all of it was the antisemitism, and following up on the video Fury went on a rant on Twitter concerning Palestine needing to be freed. Confuses the hell out of me, considering that the Jewish and Christian cause is to stand beside Israel. I imagine he says it because of the Muslim parties surrounding Tyson, but it troubles me.

Is the Christian cause to stand behind Israel? You're in the US where support of Israel is strong. Practically everywhere else in the world the place is generally regarded as a terrorist state. I don't support the Israelies or the Palestinians BTW.

The Bible makes it pretty clear that Christians are to stand with Israel and the Jews, for they are God's chosen people and God is married to Israel and the church (collected body of believers). So the Christian cause, is in fact, to not be antisemetic and throw support to those who wish to take over Israel. Jesus was a Jew, after all.

Which is what shocks me, really, when it comes to Fury who professes to be a true Christian and that Jesus is his lord and savior, and yet he's throwing his support behind the Islamic cause, which is to divide and conquer Israel, as they have done since the seventh century as they turned the Jewish Holy Temple into a Mosque.

Now politically speaking, America has always been united with Israel. In fact, our Naval force was originally created as a mechanism to defend not just our land but Israel as well. Mind you, Israel did not become a democratic nation, or state, until many centuries later. So the unity with Israel has always been both spiritual, emotional, as well as a matter of geography, because Israel happens to be in a special part of the world where trade routes, etc. can be employed greatly. Mind you, under Jefferson in the Barbary Wars (against Islamic terrorists who pirated goods and enslaved Americans abroad) Israel was more than beneficial to us fighting that particular war because of its location.

HomicideHenry wrote:

The Bible makes it pretty clear that Christians are to stand with Israel and the Jews, for they are God's chosen people and God is married to Israel and the church (collected body of believers). So the Christian cause, is in fact, to not be antisemetic and throw support to those who wish to take over Israel. Jesus was a Jew, after all.

Sklar wrote:

SNG wrote:Why is being bisexual derogatory?

Because bisexual men get sodomised and suck spunk out of arseholes?

bripez wrote:Fury has just reverted to type - he is an uneducated bully.

He targets those who are physically weaker than himself and uses the threat of physical violence to anyone who disagrees with him.

He has had a go at gays, women, paedo's (ok on this one) and now Jews - but he comes out saying that Muslims are fine !

Why is that I wonder? - it is very unlikely that a homosexual is going to turn up at his house for a heated debate but he clearly doesn't want to risk something happening at his fight like what happened today at Old Trafford.

He has got some airtime, but his plan hasnt worked with me.

In his first fight with Wlad I paid the PPV and cheered him on. I will be cheering Wlad this time but more importantly I won't be paying the PPV (partly due to his idiotic recent outbursts and partly because the last fight was shite).

mickey1975 wrote:

bripez wrote:Fury has just reverted to type - he is an uneducated bully.

He targets those who are physically weaker than himself and uses the threat of physical violence to anyone who disagrees with him.

He has had a go at gays, women, paedo's (ok on this one) and now Jews - but he comes out saying that Muslims are fine !

Why is that I wonder? - it is very unlikely that a homosexual is going to turn up at his house for a heated debate but he clearly doesn't want to risk something happening at his fight like what happened today at Old Trafford.

He has got some airtime, but his plan hasnt worked with me.

In his first fight with Wlad I paid the PPV and cheered him on. I will be cheering Wlad this time but more importantly I won't be paying the PPV (partly due to his idiotic recent outbursts and partly because the last fight was shite).

It's on BN.

Taki... wrote:I watched one video that seemed to suggest Muslims, Jews and gays were conspiring against Christianity. It's effing mental.

lookingaround87 wrote:

Taki... wrote:I watched one video that seemed to suggest Muslims, Jews and gays were conspiring against Christianity. It's effing mental.

Link?

CiganoBoxer wrote:Personally i totally agree with him