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boxing_rocks wrote:Kovalev has given an interview to lenta.ru:

В организме Александра Поветкина накануне боя с Деонтеем Уайлдером обнаружили мельдоний. Вы когда-нибудь принимали этот препарат?

- Его принимал любой спортсмен-профессионал, который отрабатывает больше одной тренировки в день. Милдронат, который включили в список запрещенных препаратов, — витамин для сердца, и я считаю внесение его в список запрещенных препаратов обычной провокацией.

They asked him about meldonium and if he has ever taken it. His response was: "It was used by every professional who does more than one practice per day. It is a vitamin for a heart and I consider its ban to be a provocation".

..will be in any case interesting to see how they will do without this "vitamin for a heart"..

On June 14, 2016, the WBC assembled and convened an Emergency Review Committee that included scientific, medical and legal advisors. The Committee reviewed and discussed the information available concerning Alexander Povetkin`s positive test result for the banned substance Meldonium.

On June 28, 2016, Mr. Povetkin and his medical and scientific team met with the WBC in Mexico City and presented their position as part of the WBC investigative process in this matter.

The WBC has offered Champion Wilder and his team an opportunity to present their own medical and scientific information and a meeting has been confirmed to take place by mid July. In the meantime, the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) has released an updated informational notice concerning Meldonium, which the WBC and the WBC Committee will thoroughly review while continuing with the process outlined by the Clean Boxing Program.

The WBC will continue its process and inquiry and will provide additional information in the very near future.

http://wbcboxing.com/wbceng/news/6949-w ... update1234

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Kalan wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
Precisely, the idea that this is somehow cooked up by Wilder or his people is ludicrous. An anomaly was noticed in the test results, the WBC refused to sanction the bout until they knew what was going on.

The WBC are a sanctioning body, they want to collect fees, it's not in their interests to lose money by postponing fights, these wild conspiracy theories are just a load of bunk.

You're clearly full of BS... "Adverse result" is waffling language and DOESN'T mean a failed test.. Why didn't they give the precise test result of .07 microgram like Ryabinski did??? Why don't they just say Povetkin failed the test??? They haven't done that because they know .07 easily passes muster. They know it's WAY under 1 microgram, which anything under was an allowable concentration.. They know Povetkin passed all his tests with flying colors and they don't want people knowing that, because that information won't kill the fight. So Povetkin's team is the ONLY entity giving out the test results.

American promoters wouldn't have gotten a damned dime out of the fight because Ryabinski won the bid -- and the promotion was going to Moscow, possibly along with the Heavyweight Title.. The WBC and VADA wanted to screw Povetkin and Ryabinski and destroy the promotion because they're in tight with Haymon, Wilder, Dibella, and the whole corrupt group of Americans who would love to shut out Eastern Europe as another destination for major fights like Germany and the UK are starting to be.

You're delusional. You really need to get some psychological help.

You're insanely stupid. You have a cabbage for a brain. Try getting some information from VADA on what Povetkin's test results were -- those pieces of horse manure are refusing to release any data whatever. They're saying, "You have to ask Povetkin and his team about the results" because they know that everything Povetkin's team said about the results is 100% true and they DON'T want to confirm it.

Kalan wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Kalan wrote:
You're clearly full of BS... "Adverse result" is waffling language and DOESN'T mean a failed test.. Why didn't they give the precise test result of .07 microgram like Ryabinski did??? Why don't they just say Povetkin failed the test??? They haven't done that because they know .07 easily passes muster. They know it's WAY under 1 microgram, which anything under was an allowable concentration.. They know Povetkin passed all his tests with flying colors and they don't want people knowing that, because that information won't kill the fight. So Povetkin's team is the ONLY entity giving out the test results.

American promoters wouldn't have gotten a damned dime out of the fight because Ryabinski won the bid -- and the promotion was going to Moscow, possibly along with the Heavyweight Title.. The WBC and VADA wanted to screw Povetkin and Ryabinski and destroy the promotion because they're in tight with Haymon, Wilder, Dibella, and the whole corrupt group of Americans who would love to shut out Eastern Europe as another destination for major fights like Germany and the UK are starting to be.

You're delusional. You really need to get some psychological help.

You're insanely stupid. You have a cabbage for a brain. Try getting some information from VADA on what Povetkin's test results were -- those pieces of horse manure are refusing to release any data whatever. They're saying, "You have to ask Povetkin and his team about the results" because they know that everything Povetkin's team said about the results is 100% true and they DON'T want to confirm it.

The idiot is you, actually. VADA have no obligation to provide information to any forum writer! They provided the results to whom it may concern, WBC and Povetkin team. WBC officially stated the results was positive (check at WBC site, I also provided a link in my previous post) and they still investigating.
The only one who have all the info is WBC. Everyone else is just speculating....you and the other idiot (asdfghhj something) are bullshiting

asdfjkl wrote:

SteveO wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: Last estimation I heard was 12 july

You do know Wilder is fighting Chris Arreola on 16th July right?

Yes I do, and Wilder wants this fight, so it is going to happen.
I have no clue why Wilder chose that date, he could have fought Briggs for example on 21 may on the undercard of David Haye (21 may was the date he was expected to fight Povetkin). But I guess Briggs was too risky for him.

thanks guys.

bigman1968 wrote:

Kalan wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
You're delusional. You really need to get some psychological help.

You're insanely stupid. You have a cabbage for a brain. Try getting some information from VADA on what Povetkin's test results were -- those pieces of horse manure are refusing to release any data whatever. They're saying, "You have to ask Povetkin and his team about the results" because they know that everything Povetkin's team said about the results is 100% true and they DON'T want to confirm it.

The idiot is you, actually. VADA have no obligation to provide information to any forum writer! They provided the results to whom it may concern, WBC and Povetkin team. WBC officially stated the results was positive (check at WBC site, I also provided a link in my previous post) and they still investigating.
The only one who have all the info is WBC. Everyone else is just speculating....you and the other idiot (asdfghhj something) are bullshiting

thanks, you saved me the trouble. As if I'm going to waste my time contacting an anti doping agency demanding the minutiae of their test results, just to be told to go play in the traffic, just to disprove the wild-eyed ramblings of some internet loon like Kalan - laughable.

Kalan, you're just a big joke, aside from your little wank-spanner ADSFPERGERS - everyone else just laughs at you.

bigman1968 wrote:

Kalan wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
Precisely, the idea that this is somehow cooked up by Wilder or his people is ludicrous. An anomaly was noticed in the test results, the WBC refused to sanction the bout until they knew what was going on.

The WBC are a sanctioning body, they want to collect fees, it's not in their interests to lose money by postponing fights, these wild conspiracy theories are just a load of bunk.

You're clearly full of BS... "Adverse result" is waffling language and DOESN'T mean a failed test.. Why didn't they give the precise test result of .07 microgram like Ryabinski did??? Why don't they just say Povetkin failed the test??? They haven't done that because they know .07 easily passes muster. They know it's WAY under 1 microgram, which anything under was an allowable concentration.. They know Povetkin passed all his tests with flying colors and they don't want people knowing that, because that information won't kill the fight. So Povetkin's team is the ONLY entity giving out the test results.

American promoters wouldn't have gotten a damned dime out of the fight because Ryabinski won the bid -- and the promotion was going to Moscow, possibly along with the Heavyweight Title.. The WBC and VADA wanted to screw Povetkin and Ryabinski and destroy the promotion because they're in tight with Haymon, Wilder, Dibella, and the whole corrupt group of Americans who would love to shut out Eastern Europe as another destination for major fights like Germany and the UK are starting to be.

So why Riabinski not suing WBC? If the bullshit you wrote is true - he have concrete case
Why he still collaborate with this corrupt enemy of Mother Russia???

Ryabinski knows what the WBC is doing and that they're working against him and Povetkin... But the WBC can make any ruling they want on anything they want... They created the belt.. They can create the rules.. They kept the WBC Middleweight Title out of Gennady Golovkin's hands for over 6 years by cleverly maneuvering around him... But now Golovkin IS the WBC Middleweight Champion although he's yet to represent the WBC in any contest -- and they'll probably grab it away from him by naming a mandatory challenger who it makes no sense to fight.. The same way Fury was stripped of the IBF belt and it went to American Charles Martin.. However Golovkin finally cornered the WBC after many years of maneuvering -- albeit GGG has never earned a dime fighting for their belt... How do you sue an organization who can make any damned ruling they want??? ... Ryabinski has to play ball for now unless the WBC LIES and says Povetkin failed the test... They would be in deep sht if they said anything like that.. They have to wait for the WBC's phony "investigation" to end and get the promotion and fight back on schedule once the WBC admits Povetkin passed all he tests... Ryabinski isn't an idiot.. He knows their pretense can't go on forever.. It's a waiting game at this point.

Ryabinski has to wait the WBC out -- but he can sue the sht out of Wilder, Dibella, Rafael, and others for lies and defamation.

Scientific evidence will prove most of you guys wrong over time, for me, most of you sound similar like the people who said the earth was flat, nobody has ever been on the moon, Elvis still lives, dinosaurs? They have been putted in the ground by the CIA and the titanic? Never sunk.

But whatever, I hope the court in New York will give a fair fine to the people that deserve it and a fair amount of money to the unfairly and wrongly damaged people.

bigman1968 wrote:

Kalan wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
You're delusional. You really need to get some psychological help.

You're insanely stupid. You have a cabbage for a brain. Try getting some information from VADA on what Povetkin's test results were -- those pieces of horse manure are refusing to release any data whatever. They're saying, "You have to ask Povetkin and his team about the results" because they know that everything Povetkin's team said about the results is 100% true and they DON'T want to confirm it.

The idiot is you, actually. VADA have no obligation to provide information to any forum writer! They provided the results to whom it may concern, WBC and Povetkin team. WBC officially stated the results was positive (check at WBC site, I also provided a link in my previous post) and they still investigating.
The only one who have all the info is WBC. Everyone else is just speculating....you and the other idiot (asdfghhj something) are bullshiting

You are one simple, stupid asswipe... VADA knows full well there was an allowable "trace" or "concentration" for Meldonium at the time of Povekin's .07 microgram test.. That allowable trace was 999 nanograms.. Povetkin's trace was 70 nanograms.. Therefore, you unbelievably stupid jerk, they said he tested positive for Meldonium and avoided saying he passed the test.. They're telling a half truth -- which is a corrupt strategy to allow the WBC to "investigate" just exactly what was going on -- postpone the fight -- and force Povetkin to pay for more unneeded tests.. Unfortunately if Povetkin wants a Title Shot at Wilder he has to jump through these hoops, fight his battles in court, regain his reputation, force the liars and defamers like DiBella and Wilder to apologize, and wait for the WBC to finish their endless "investigation." ... If their so-called investigation goes on for several more months I think Ryabinski can sue them for obstruction of justice.. Right now the WBC and VADA haven't actually lied.. They're guilty of innuendo and defamation, but it would be harder to nail them -- because they can say their "policy" is just to release general information on the test -- and not information of whether an athlete passed or failed.

There they go, right on cue.

Kalan wrote:

bigman1968 wrote:

Kalan wrote:
You're insanely stupid. You have a cabbage for a brain. Try getting some information from VADA on what Povetkin's test results were -- those pieces of horse manure are refusing to release any data whatever. They're saying, "You have to ask Povetkin and his team about the results" because they know that everything Povetkin's team said about the results is 100% true and they DON'T want to confirm it.

The idiot is you, actually. VADA have no obligation to provide information to any forum writer! They provided the results to whom it may concern, WBC and Povetkin team. WBC officially stated the results was positive (check at WBC site, I also provided a link in my previous post) and they still investigating.
The only one who have all the info is WBC. Everyone else is just speculating....you and the other idiot (asdfghhj something) are bullshiting

You are one simple, stupid asswipe... VADA knows full well there was an allowable "trace" or "concentration" for Meldonium at the time of Povekin's .07 microgram test.. That allowable trace was 999 nanograms.. Povetkin's trace was 70 nanograms.. Therefore, you unbelievably stupid jerk, they said he tested positive for Meldonium and avoided saying he passed the test.. They're telling a half truth -- which is a corrupt strategy to allow the WBC to "investigate" just exactly what was going on -- postpone the fight -- and force Povetkin to pay for more unneeded tests.. Unfortunately if Povetkin wants a Title Shot at Wilder he has to jump through these hoops, fight his battles in court, regain his reputation, force the liars and defamers like DiBella and Wilder to apologize, and wait for the WBC to finish their endless "investigation." ... If their so-called investigation goes on for several more months I think Ryabinski can sue them for obstruction of justice.. Right now the WBC and VADA haven't actually lied.. They're guilty of innuendo and defamation, but it would be harder to nail them -- because they can say their "policy" is just to release general information on the test -- and not information of whether an athlete passed or failed.

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Kalan wrote:

bigman1968 wrote:

Kalan wrote:
You're insanely stupid. You have a cabbage for a brain. Try getting some information from VADA on what Povetkin's test results were -- those pieces of horse manure are refusing to release any data whatever. They're saying, "You have to ask Povetkin and his team about the results" because they know that everything Povetkin's team said about the results is 100% true and they DON'T want to confirm it.

The idiot is you, actually. VADA have no obligation to provide information to any forum writer! They provided the results to whom it may concern, WBC and Povetkin team. WBC officially stated the results was positive (check at WBC site, I also provided a link in my previous post) and they still investigating.
The only one who have all the info is WBC. Everyone else is just speculating....you and the other idiot (asdfghhj something) are bullshiting

You are one simple, stupid asswipe... VADA knows full well there was an allowable "trace" or "concentration" for Meldonium at the time of Povekin's .07 microgram test.. That allowable trace was 999 nanograms.. Povetkin's trace was 70 nanograms.. Therefore, you unbelievably stupid jerk, they said he tested positive for Meldonium and avoided saying he passed the test.. They're telling a half truth -- which is a corrupt strategy to allow the WBC to "investigate" just exactly what was going on -- postpone the fight -- and force Povetkin to pay for more unneeded tests.. Unfortunately if Povetkin wants a Title Shot at Wilder he has to jump through these hoops, fight his battles in court, regain his reputation, force the liars and defamers like DiBella and Wilder to apologize, and wait for the WBC to finish their endless "investigation." ... If their so-called investigation goes on for several more months I think Ryabinski can sue them for obstruction of justice.. Right now the WBC and VADA haven't actually lied.. They're guilty of innuendo and defamation, but it would be harder to nail them -- because they can say their "policy" is just to release general information on the test -- and not information of whether an athlete passed or failed.

On June 14, 2016, the WBC assembled and convened an Emergency Review Committee that included scientific, medical and legal advisors. The Committee reviewed and discussed the information available concerning Alexander Povetkin`s positive test result for the banned substance Meldonium.

On June 28, 2016, Mr. Povetkin and his medical and scientific team met with the WBC in Mexico City and presented their position as part of the WBC investigative process in this matter.

The WBC has offered Champion Wilder and his team an opportunity to present their own medical and scientific information and a meeting has been confirmed to take place by mid July. In the meantime, the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) has released an updated informational notice concerning Meldonium, which the WBC and the WBC Committee will thoroughly review while continuing with the process outlined by the Clean Boxing Program.

The WBC will continue its process and inquiry and will provide additional information in the very near future.

http://wbcboxing.com/wbceng/news/6949-w ... update1234

bigman1968 wrote:

Kalan wrote:

bigman1968 wrote:
The idiot is you, actually. VADA have no obligation to provide information to any forum writer! They provided the results to whom it may concern, WBC and Povetkin team. WBC officially stated the results was positive (check at WBC site, I also provided a link in my previous post) and they still investigating.
The only one who have all the info is WBC. Everyone else is just speculating....you and the other idiot (asdfghhj something) are bullshiting

You are one simple, stupid asswipe... VADA knows full well there was an allowable "trace" or "concentration" for Meldonium at the time of Povekin's .07 microgram test.. That allowable trace was 999 nanograms.. Povetkin's trace was 70 nanograms.. Therefore, you unbelievably stupid jerk, they said he tested positive for Meldonium and avoided saying he passed the test.. They're telling a half truth -- which is a corrupt strategy to allow the WBC to "investigate" just exactly what was going on -- postpone the fight -- and force Povetkin to pay for more unneeded tests.. Unfortunately if Povetkin wants a Title Shot at Wilder he has to jump through these hoops, fight his battles in court, regain his reputation, force the liars and defamers like DiBella and Wilder to apologize, and wait for the WBC to finish their endless "investigation." ... If their so-called investigation goes on for several more months I think Ryabinski can sue them for obstruction of justice.. Right now the WBC and VADA haven't actually lied.. They're guilty of innuendo and defamation, but it would be harder to nail them -- because they can say their "policy" is just to release general information on the test -- and not information of whether an athlete passed or failed.

On June 14, 2016, the WBC assembled and convened an Emergency Review Committee that included scientific, medical and legal advisors. The Committee reviewed and discussed the information available concerning Alexander Povetkin`s positive test result for the banned substance Meldonium.

On June 28, 2016, Mr. Povetkin and his medical and scientific team met with the WBC in Mexico City and presented their position as part of the WBC investigative process in this matter.

The WBC has offered Champion Wilder and his team an opportunity to present their own medical and scientific information and a meeting has been confirmed to take place by mid July. In the meantime, the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) has released an updated informational notice concerning Meldonium, which the WBC and the WBC Committee will thoroughly review while continuing with the process outlined by the Clean Boxing Program.

The WBC will continue its process and inquiry and will provide additional information in the very near future.

http://wbcboxing.com/wbceng/news/6949-w ... update1234

There's no point citing facts, they are irrelevant to Kalan and his little wank-spanner - unless it supports their theory that this is all to deprive Russian boxers and promoters of a living, they aren't interested to hear them.

I've no doubt there's corruption in boxing, but from what I can see, the WBC's main concern has always been money, something Ryabinski has plenty of.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

bigman1968 wrote:

Kalan wrote:
You are one simple, stupid asswipe... VADA knows full well there was an allowable "trace" or "concentration" for Meldonium at the time of Povekin's .07 microgram test.. That allowable trace was 999 nanograms.. Povetkin's trace was 70 nanograms.. Therefore, you unbelievably stupid jerk, they said he tested positive for Meldonium and avoided saying he passed the test.. They're telling a half truth -- which is a corrupt strategy to allow the WBC to "investigate" just exactly what was going on -- postpone the fight -- and force Povetkin to pay for more unneeded tests.. Unfortunately if Povetkin wants a Title Shot at Wilder he has to jump through these hoops, fight his battles in court, regain his reputation, force the liars and defamers like DiBella and Wilder to apologize, and wait for the WBC to finish their endless "investigation." ... If their so-called investigation goes on for several more months I think Ryabinski can sue them for obstruction of justice.. Right now the WBC and VADA haven't actually lied.. They're guilty of innuendo and defamation, but it would be harder to nail them -- because they can say their "policy" is just to release general information on the test -- and not information of whether an athlete passed or failed.

On June 14, 2016, the WBC assembled and convened an Emergency Review Committee that included scientific, medical and legal advisors. The Committee reviewed and discussed the information available concerning Alexander Povetkin`s positive test result for the banned substance Meldonium.

On June 28, 2016, Mr. Povetkin and his medical and scientific team met with the WBC in Mexico City and presented their position as part of the WBC investigative process in this matter.

The WBC has offered Champion Wilder and his team an opportunity to present their own medical and scientific information and a meeting has been confirmed to take place by mid July. In the meantime, the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) has released an updated informational notice concerning Meldonium, which the WBC and the WBC Committee will thoroughly review while continuing with the process outlined by the Clean Boxing Program.

The WBC will continue its process and inquiry and will provide additional information in the very near future.

http://wbcboxing.com/wbceng/news/6949-w ... update1234

There's no point citing facts, they are irrelevant to Kalan and his little wank-spanner - unless it supports their theory that this is all to deprive Russian boxers and promoters of a living, they aren't interested to hear them.

I've no doubt there's corruption in boxing, but from what I can see, the WBC's main concern has always been money, something Ryabinski has plenty of.

You can't make a bigger lie, I've allways been after facts and I've been right pretty much from the beginning. Kalan same story, he just realised it about a week later. I was the first to give an innocent men justice, while guys like you do whatever you can to hurt him in every single way.
Wilder is a lier, a fraud champion, a blackmailer and all evidence out there proves it. Denying that just proves even more how immature you are. But go ahead, stick to your fraud champion, I expect the New York court to let him pay the price. I can't imagine the American court to be as corrupted as Deontay Wilder and his team are.

asdfjkl wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

bigman1968 wrote:
On June 14, 2016, the WBC assembled and convened an Emergency Review Committee that included scientific, medical and legal advisors. The Committee reviewed and discussed the information available concerning Alexander Povetkin`s positive test result for the banned substance Meldonium.

On June 28, 2016, Mr. Povetkin and his medical and scientific team met with the WBC in Mexico City and presented their position as part of the WBC investigative process in this matter.

The WBC has offered Champion Wilder and his team an opportunity to present their own medical and scientific information and a meeting has been confirmed to take place by mid July. In the meantime, the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) has released an updated informational notice concerning Meldonium, which the WBC and the WBC Committee will thoroughly review while continuing with the process outlined by the Clean Boxing Program.

The WBC will continue its process and inquiry and will provide additional information in the very near future.

http://wbcboxing.com/wbceng/news/6949-w ... update1234

There's no point citing facts, they are irrelevant to Kalan and his little wank-spanner - unless it supports their theory that this is all to deprive Russian boxers and promoters of a living, they aren't interested to hear them.

I've no doubt there's corruption in boxing, but from what I can see, the WBC's main concern has always been money, something Ryabinski has plenty of.

You can't make a bigger lie, I've allways been after facts and I've been right pretty much from the beginning. Kalan same story, he just realised it about a week later. I was the first to give an innocent men justice, while guys like you do whatever you can to hurt him in every single way.
Wilder is a lier, a fraud champion, a blackmailer and all evidence out there proves it. Denying that just proves even more how immature you are. But go ahead, stick to your fraud champion, I expect the New York court to let him pay the price. I can't imagine the American court to be as corrupted as Deontay Wilder and his team are.

My champion? I'm English mate, and I don't rate Wilder at all - just shows how slant-eyed your comments are.

What a plum!

bigman1968 wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
But hang on, how is Wilder and his team responsible for this? They postponed the fight because Povetkin's results were initially reported as positive. What has that to do with Wilder?

This fight had flees from the start and was ill conceived to expect Wilder, as champion, to have to travel to Russia to defend the title. But that's how the purse bid turned out and Wilder was not happy about it. They were looking for the smallest of reasons to cancel this fight and by the looks of this article, you almost can't get any smaller if you're a reason. Wilder and Haymon didn't even consider rescheduling or giving time to Povetkins team to get to the bottom of the results. They appeared to have gotten exactly what they wanted with this and only the naive will not consider that the most powerful person in boxing, Al Haymon, may have had something to do with the test results. I wouldn't put anything past the shadiness that exists with any of these promoters.

If Haymon have so much power over WBC, why he let them to make Povetkin mandatory??? It was commonly known that Povetkin don't fight outside Russia since he's under Riabinski.
WBC could just ignore Povetkin, as IBF, WBA and IBO did and do.

You and I both know that the rankings and the mandatory title shots have nothing to do with who's worthy. It has everything to do with who pays the most money in the back alley. This is the ONLY way to explain the ridiculous differences these alphabet organizations have in their rankings and who they claim title shots to. When you see a mandatory come out of nowhere and is underserving then you know the fix is in.

Someday, when you have the time, take a look at how different the rankings are for each weight class between all of these organizations. There should be some differences here and there but for the most part, the top 10 rankings in each weight class should have most of the same names save 2 or 3 maybe. The rankings are so different and it all comes down to how much money these promoters or financial partners pay out on the side.

The same way Wilder came up through the ranks. No different.

caldo2025 wrote:

bigman1968 wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:
This fight had flees from the start and was ill conceived to expect Wilder, as champion, to have to travel to Russia to defend the title. But that's how the purse bid turned out and Wilder was not happy about it. They were looking for the smallest of reasons to cancel this fight and by the looks of this article, you almost can't get any smaller if you're a reason. Wilder and Haymon didn't even consider rescheduling or giving time to Povetkins team to get to the bottom of the results. They appeared to have gotten exactly what they wanted with this and only the naive will not consider that the most powerful person in boxing, Al Haymon, may have had something to do with the test results. I wouldn't put anything past the shadiness that exists with any of these promoters.

If Haymon have so much power over WBC, why he let them to make Povetkin mandatory??? It was commonly known that Povetkin don't fight outside Russia since he's under Riabinski.
WBC could just ignore Povetkin, as IBF, WBA and IBO did and do.

You and I both know that the rankings and the mandatory title shots have nothing to do with who's worthy. It has everything to do with who pays the most money in the back alley. This is the ONLY way to explain the ridiculous differences these alphabet organizations have in their rankings and who they claim title shots to. When you see a mandatory come out of nowhere and is underserving then you know the fix is in.

Someday, when you have the time, take a look at how different the rankings are for each weight class between all of these organizations. There should be some differences here and there but for the most part, the top 10 rankings in each weight class should have most of the same names save 2 or 3 maybe. The rankings are so different and it all comes down to how much money these promoters or financial partners pay out on the side.

The same way Wilder came up through the ranks. No different.

Spot on

caldo2025 wrote:

bigman1968 wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:
This fight had flees from the start and was ill conceived to expect Wilder, as champion, to have to travel to Russia to defend the title. But that's how the purse bid turned out and Wilder was not happy about it. They were looking for the smallest of reasons to cancel this fight and by the looks of this article, you almost can't get any smaller if you're a reason. Wilder and Haymon didn't even consider rescheduling or giving time to Povetkins team to get to the bottom of the results. They appeared to have gotten exactly what they wanted with this and only the naive will not consider that the most powerful person in boxing, Al Haymon, may have had something to do with the test results. I wouldn't put anything past the shadiness that exists with any of these promoters.

If Haymon have so much power over WBC, why he let them to make Povetkin mandatory??? It was commonly known that Povetkin don't fight outside Russia since he's under Riabinski.
WBC could just ignore Povetkin, as IBF, WBA and IBO did and do.

You and I both know that the rankings and the mandatory title shots have nothing to do with who's worthy. It has everything to do with who pays the most money in the back alley. This is the ONLY way to explain the ridiculous differences these alphabet organizations have in their rankings and who they claim title shots to. When you see a mandatory come out of nowhere and is underserving then you know the fix is in.

Someday, when you have the time, take a look at how different the rankings are for each weight class between all of these organizations. There should be some differences here and there but for the most part, the top 10 rankings in each weight class should have most of the same names save 2 or 3 maybe. The rankings are so different and it all comes down to how much money these promoters or financial partners pay out on the side.

The same way Wilder came up through the ranks. No different.

The question came out some idiot's claim thar WBC hate Povetkin, Riabinski, Eastern European and specifically Russians.
Everyone know that all the ABC's ranking are fixed and paid.

So, if WBC hate Povetkin - why he's mandatory???

caldo2025 wrote:

bigman1968 wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:
This fight had flees from the start and was ill conceived to expect Wilder, as champion, to have to travel to Russia to defend the title. But that's how the purse bid turned out and Wilder was not happy about it. They were looking for the smallest of reasons to cancel this fight and by the looks of this article, you almost can't get any smaller if you're a reason. Wilder and Haymon didn't even consider rescheduling or giving time to Povetkins team to get to the bottom of the results. They appeared to have gotten exactly what they wanted with this and only the naive will not consider that the most powerful person in boxing, Al Haymon, may have had something to do with the test results. I wouldn't put anything past the shadiness that exists with any of these promoters.

If Haymon have so much power over WBC, why he let them to make Povetkin mandatory??? It was commonly known that Povetkin don't fight outside Russia since he's under Riabinski.
WBC could just ignore Povetkin, as IBF, WBA and IBO did and do.

You and I both know that the rankings and the mandatory title shots have nothing to do with who's worthy. It has everything to do with who pays the most money in the back alley. This is the ONLY way to explain the ridiculous differences these alphabet organizations have in their rankings and who they claim title shots to. When you see a mandatory come out of nowhere and is underserving then you know the fix is in.

Someday, when you have the time, take a look at how different the rankings are for each weight class between all of these organizations. There should be some differences here and there but for the most part, the top 10 rankings in each weight class should have most of the same names save 2 or 3 maybe. The rankings are so different and it all comes down to how much money these promoters or financial partners pay out on the side.

The same way Wilder came up through the ranks. No different.

Precisely, so the idea that the WBC have it in for Povetkin and Rabinsky is ludricrous, given that Rabinsky is loaded. The WBC don't care about nationality, only dollar bills, same as all the sanctioning bodies. If you're promoter has the money to get you there, you'll get ranked and finally mandated to fight for the title.

Lol, So Povetkin bought all his medails and all his world champions and European champions and titles and name it?

The odd imaginations can't be bigger I think.

asdfjkl wrote:Lol, So Povetkin bought all his medails and all his world champions and European champions and titles and name it?

The odd imaginations can't be bigger I think.

The only reason medals count is they make a fighter more marketable, more valuable, and therefore promoters will spend more money on trying to get them ranked. If you think the alphabet bodies ratings are based on actual merit, then I think it's time you stopped following the sport, as you can't see the wood for the trees.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:Lol, So Povetkin bought all his medails and all his world champions and European champions and titles and name it?

The odd imaginations can't be bigger I think.

The only reason medals count is they make a fighter more marketable, more valuable, and therefore promoters will spend more money on trying to get them ranked. If you think the alphabet bodies ratings are based on actual merit, then I think it's time you stopped following the sport, as you can't see the wood for the trees.

I admit, there are a lot of odd names in it, but Povetkin certainly ain't one of them, just look at the boxrec ratings, and that while he only fights once or twice a year.

asdfjkl wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:Lol, So Povetkin bought all his medails and all his world champions and European champions and titles and name it?

The odd imaginations can't be bigger I think.

The only reason medals count is they make a fighter more marketable, more valuable, and therefore promoters will spend more money on trying to get them ranked. If you think the alphabet bodies ratings are based on actual merit, then I think it's time you stopped following the sport, as you can't see the wood for the trees.

I admit, there are a lot of odd names in it, but Povetkin certainly ain't one of them, just look at the boxrec ratings, and that while he only fights once or twice a year.

I don't even understand what point you're trying to make.

What's boxrec got to do with anything, they are not compiled by a sanctioning body.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
The only reason medals count is they make a fighter more marketable, more valuable, and therefore promoters will spend more money on trying to get them ranked. If you think the alphabet bodies ratings are based on actual merit, then I think it's time you stopped following the sport, as you can't see the wood for the trees.

I admit, there are a lot of odd names in it, but Povetkin certainly ain't one of them, just look at the boxrec ratings, and that while he only fights once or twice a year.

I don't even understand what point you're trying to make.

What's boxrec got to do with anything, they are not compiled by a sanctioning body.

The boxrec ranking are created with a formula and not with money. That's why it's easy to show that Wilder his opponend is a nobody who didn't receive his ranking because of his performances in the ring, while Povetkin did. If you didn't know that, then I think it's time you stop following the sport, as you can't see the wood for the trees.

asdfjkl wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: I admit, there are a lot of odd names in it, but Povetkin certainly ain't one of them, just look at the boxrec ratings, and that while he only fights once or twice a year.

I don't even understand what point you're trying to make.

What's boxrec got to do with anything, they are not compiled by a sanctioning body.

The boxrec ranking are created with a formula and not with money. That's why it's easy to show that Wilder his opponend is a nobody who didn't receive his ranking because of his performances in the ring, while Povetkin did. If you didn't know that, then I think it's time you stop following the sport, as you can't see the wood for the trees.

And the boxrec ranking is a reason why Povetkin mandatory in WBC, but not in any other ABC?

Oh, his owner bought him title fight in his hometown, from other ABCs once....