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x2x wrote:

Rob3_142 wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: Not Wilder, the WBC, they should do the right thing. Wilder can allways act like the idiot he is. Povetkin has one of the best stamina in the division. And never used doping. It's not his fault that meldonium is now on the anti doping list. That's probably all part of the, "how to get Russia away from the olympics, because they are too good!" idea America has thought out. Some people even expect meldonium soon to be taken of the anti doping list again and others suggest that banning everyone who once drunk a cup of coffee makes much more sense.

Gas out now all of a sudden could only happen because of old age. The chance of this happening with Stiverne is much more likely, since he never was a real sportmen, no skills, avarage stamina, only power if his punch takes about 5 seconds.

This is a country that has been comfortably behind the US for as long as we can remember. This is also a country which was behind GB in number of golds in 2012, despite being on drugs. It's important to not confuse the melodonium scenario with the state sponsored doping which has been going on since 2011.

Many US athletes are doped to the gills, going all the way down to high school and probably even elementary school. They have better docctors advising them how to cover it up though, plus the advantage that Doctor Margaret Goodman's neVADA mafia drug testing racket is in Las Vegas.

The US has definitely had to come through some dark patches in its history, notably the BALCO scandal, Lance Armstrong, Flo Jo and many others. To be honest I'm reluctant to speculate about what the US have and haven't done without a bit more concrete evidence. It's always hard to trust/challenge the integrity of a nations anti-doping agency as there always seems to be some sinister political motivations. Do I think everyone is cheating and we're making Russia out to be scapegoats? No - I think that's all a little too conspiracy theory. Do I think there's transparency in the sport? Most certainly not.

There could well be a number of scandals come out over the next 10 years very similar to what happened with Russia - however until I see the light of some evidence, I'm comfortable saying the US is a bunch more clean than Russia currently.

Athletes, everywhere, have been juicing for half a century.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Athletes, everywhere, have been juicing for half a century.

Sure, it's all over everything here in the USA to one extent or another. So many athletes are looking for some angle, legal or illegal or in between, and even if they don't want to do it they see their opponents doing it so they decide they better do it too to even things up. They use anything that's legal at the moment or illegal - category one often moves into category two - stuff they sell in health food stores or doctors prescribe legally today might be illegal tomorrow. I hate it that now the drug testing is being used for political reasons - like the cancelled Povetkin-Wilder fight and messing with Lucas Browne after all the shenanigans he overcame in Chechnya - it's messing up what little is left of the boxing sport.

Badhusker wrote:

bigman1968 wrote:And if Stiverne wins, he'll get rematch with Wilder???

That is why I think he would be foolish to not fight Joshua next, even though it would be a tougher fight.

He'll take the fight with more money, I presume...he earned peanuts since that 1M for Wilder fight...and he is 37yo.

If Povetkin struggles with Stiverne, he might as well forget about fighting Wilder. I think it will be a good fight.

Badhusker wrote:If Povetkin struggles with Stiverne, he might as well forget about fighting Wilder. I think it will be a good fight.

Yea, since Wilder obviously didn't struggle with a dehydrated Stiverne.

asdfjkl wrote:

Badhusker wrote:If Povetkin struggles with Stiverne, he might as well forget about fighting Wilder. I think it will be a good fight.

Yea, since Wilder obviously didn't struggle with a dehydrated Stiverne.

Wilder did not struggle with Stiverne.
He won easily and without question

So stupid that this is being called an "Interim" Title fight.

gilgamesh wrote:So stupid that this is being called an "Interim" Title fight.

I agree. This is beyond stupid. But we are talking about the alphabet boys

If he wins, Povetkin will probably try to milk the interim belt and avoid Wilder.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:If he wins, Povetkin will probably try to milk the interim belt and avoid Wilder.

Yeah I wouldn't doubt it. He gets big money in Russia fighting just about anybody, and Wilder would be perfectly content to keep on facing guys below the Top 15 here in the States as well.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:If he wins, Povetkin will probably try to milk the interim belt and avoid Wilder.

Say what? Povetkin was all ready and waiting for Wilder to show up, but of course he never did.

x2x wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:If he wins, Povetkin will probably try to milk the interim belt and avoid Wilder.

Say what? Povetkin was all ready and waiting for Wilder to show up, but of course he never did.

History shows Povetkin isn't the bravest guy in the world either. He was Wladimir's #1 contender for like 3 or 4 years before he finally got his balls up to challenge him.

gilgamesh wrote:

x2x wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:If he wins, Povetkin will probably try to milk the interim belt and avoid Wilder.

Say what? Povetkin was all ready and waiting for Wilder to show up, but of course he never did.

History shows Povetkin isn't the bravest guy in the world either. He was Wladimir's #1 contender for like 3 or 4 years before he finally got his balls up to challenge him.

Povetkin was very good against Wlad. I'm a big Wlad fan, but he was like an octopus in that fight. Povetkin has improved since then too. They should have a rematch, perhaps if Wlad beats Fury, or if he does beat him they might go for two out of three, or there might not even be a second Wlad-Fury fight, fight, but after that perhaps.

gilgamesh wrote:

x2x wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:If he wins, Povetkin will probably try to milk the interim belt and avoid Wilder.

Say what? Povetkin was all ready and waiting for Wilder to show up, but of course he never did.

History shows Povetkin isn't the bravest guy in the world either. He was Wladimir's #1 contender for like 3 or 4 years before he finally got his balls up to challenge him.

Wlad is Wlad. He looked absolutely unbeatable for years. Against Wilder, Povetkin has good chances.

boxing_rocks wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

x2x wrote:

Say what? Povetkin was all ready and waiting for Wilder to show up, but of course he never did.

History shows Povetkin isn't the bravest guy in the world either. He was Wladimir's #1 contender for like 3 or 4 years before he finally got his balls up to challenge him.

Wlad is Wlad. He looked absolutely unbeatable for years. Against Wilder, Povetkin has good chances.

Considering he had lost by knockout 2 years in a row in 2003 and 2004 I don't think anybody ever thought Wlad was unbeatable. Not to mention he had also lost to Ross Purrity prior to that as well.

x2x wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

x2x wrote:

Say what? Povetkin was all ready and waiting for Wilder to show up, but of course he never did.

History shows Povetkin isn't the bravest guy in the world either. He was Wladimir's #1 contender for like 3 or 4 years before he finally got his balls up to challenge him.

Povetkin was very good against Wlad. I'm a big Wlad fan, but he was like an octopus in that fight. Povetkin has improved since then too. They should have a rematch, perhaps if Wlad beats Fury, or if he does beat him they might go for two out of three, or there might not even be a second Wlad-Fury fight, fight, but after that perhaps.

Ye...very good...7 times down, but still very good...didn't land single clean punch,but still very good...barely alive at the end,but very good.....
You are very Russian-)))

x2x wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:If he wins, Povetkin will probably try to milk the interim belt and avoid Wilder.

Say what? Povetkin was all ready and waiting for Wilder to show up, but of course he never did.

Maybe becouse WBC cancelled the fight? Becouse Povetkin got busted on peds...

bigman1968 wrote:

x2x wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:If he wins, Povetkin will probably try to milk the interim belt and avoid Wilder.

Say what? Povetkin was all ready and waiting for Wilder to show up, but of course he never did.

Maybe becouse WBC cancelled the fight? Becouse Povetkin got busted on peds...

Povetkin did nothing wrong and he was ready for the fight but Wilder never showed up and then the phony western drug racket things and alphabet things made up some phony baloney which has since been proven to be all false.

bigman1968 wrote: Ye...very good...7 times down, but still very good...didn't land single clean punch,but still very good...barely alive at the end,but very good.....
You are very Russian-)))

He was down many times because Wlad was leaning on him and hanging on him and tripping him and pushing him down, but there was only one knockdown. Don't try to make it sound like there were seven. I like Wlad a lot but he was ugly that night...and Povetkin has improved a lot since then. I'll tell you one thing about Povetkin that I won't defend and that was his bizarre interlude with New York maniac Teddy Atlas - and that's also where you got the stuff above that he wasn't ready for Wlad and was avoiding him, from Atlas. WTF was that all about I sure don't know. I guess he wanted a US tv connection. Anyway that's in the past.

bigman1968 wrote:

x2x wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:If he wins, Povetkin will probably try to milk the interim belt and avoid Wilder.

Say what? Povetkin was all ready and waiting for Wilder to show up, but of course he never did.

Maybe becouse WBC cancelled the fight? Becouse Povetkin got busted on peds...

He wont likely be as brave without his PED's. He once twisted his ankle to duck out from Wlad and rescheduled it 7 years later. Wilder hasn't fought the best opposition, but he shows up. Can't say the same for Povetkin.

x2x wrote:

bigman1968 wrote:

x2x wrote:

Say what? Povetkin was all ready and waiting for Wilder to show up, but of course he never did.

Maybe becouse WBC cancelled the fight? Becouse Povetkin got busted on peds...

Povetkin did nothing wrong and he was ready for the fight but Wilder never showed up and then the phony western drug racket things and alphabet things made up some phony baloney which has since been proven to be all false.

Povetkin got away from ban due to change of WADA's rules more than a month after he got busted. If WBC wasn't draging decision for two months and ruled in June - he was banned for sure. Once again, WBC were in charge and WBC cancelled the fight...not Wilder/Haymon or Obama.

x2x wrote:

bigman1968 wrote: Ye...very good...7 times down, but still very good...didn't land single clean punch,but still very good...barely alive at the end,but very good.....
You are very Russian-)))

He was down many times because Wlad was leaning on him and hanging on him and tripping him and pushing him down, but there was only one knockdown. Don't try to make it sound like there were seven. I like Wlad a lot but he was ugly that night...and Povetkin has improved a lot since then. I'll tell you one thing about Povetkin that I won't defend and that was his bizarre interlude with New York maniac Teddy Atlas - and that's also where you got the stuff above that he wasn't ready for Wlad and was avoiding him, from Atlas. WTF was that all about I sure don't know. I guess he wanted a US tv connection. Anyway that's in the past.

Wlad also landed 139 punches (Povetkin only 59) and controlled his chubby opponent completely. All the Russians were embarrased by Povetkin's bullish and lame show. And 4 KD, not one...another 3 times he just was humiliated and thrown on the canvas like a ragdoll

bigman1968 wrote:

x2x wrote:

bigman1968 wrote:
Maybe becouse WBC cancelled the fight? Becouse Povetkin got busted on peds...

Povetkin did nothing wrong and he was ready for the fight but Wilder never showed up and then the phony western drug racket things and alphabet things made up some phony baloney which has since been proven to be all false.

Povetkin got away from ban due to change of WADA's rules more than a month after he got busted. If WBC wasn't draging decision for two months and ruled in June - he was banned for sure. Once again, WBC were in charge and WBC cancelled the fight...not Wilder/Haymon or Obama.

Bullsh*t. WADA already had a rule about allowed concentration of meldonium. They just were doing additional research before finalizing Povetkin ruling.

boxing_rocks wrote:

bigman1968 wrote:

x2x wrote:


Povetkin did nothing wrong and he was ready for the fight but Wilder never showed up and then the phony western drug racket things and alphabet things made up some phony baloney which has since been proven to be all false.

Povetkin got away from ban due to change of WADA's rules more than a month after he got busted. If WBC wasn't draging decision for two months and ruled in June - he was banned for sure. Once again, WBC were in charge and WBC cancelled the fight...not Wilder/Haymon or Obama.

Bullsh*t. WADA already had a rule about allowed concentration of meldonium. They just were doing additional research before finalizing Povetkin ruling.

They actually put Povetkin on probation:
"c. VADA, pursuant to the WBC CBP, will design a specific testing protocol for Mr. Povetkin at Mr. Povetkin’s own cost and expense. The VADA-designed protocol will commence as soon as feasible after this ruling and will continue for one year thereafter; and

d. In the event there is an adverse finding concerning any of Mr. Povetkin’s samples during the time prescribed above, the WBC shall immediately: (1) suspend Mr. Povetkin from participation in any WBC-sanctioned events indefinitely; (2) divest Mr. Povetkin from any WBC title or any other rights he might have at the time; and (3) impose any and all available penalties under the CBP without further inquiry."