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davie wrote:When you break down that top ten, you could have some really interesting match ups.

D'you know i was thinking exactly the same thing.

262 pts Muhammad Ali
252 pts Joe Louis
171 pts Larry Holmes
157 pts George Foreman
125 pts Jack Johnson
103 pts Lennox Lewis
101 pts Rocky Marciano
90 pts Joe Frazier
79 pts Evander Holyfield
69 pts Jack Dempsey
31 pts Sonny Liston
27 pts Mike Tyson
15 pts Gene Tunney
15 pts Wladimir Klitschko
12 pts James J Jeffries
11 pts Vitali Klitschko
07 pts Sam Langford
06 pts John L Sullivan
03 pts Riddick Bowe
01 pt Ezzard Charles
01 pt Peter Jackson

Crease wrote:30 days of this game... 10 days in and our scoreboard looks like this:

Crease wrote:Current Scoreboard: (counted after 21

Firstly, I'm amazed that Jersey Joe Walcott has received such a poor showing. 21 people have failed to mention him and I always ranked him in my top 11/12 Heavyweight list.
Also, JJ's old enemy - Ezzard Charles scoring a single point is pretty disappointing, considering he was the first man to stop a prime Joe Louis.

Jersey Joe Walcott is my favourite boxer of all times, I love the story of his life and his boxing, besides Ali he had the best footworkin the HW but I don't see him in the top 10 at all. His first fights with Louis and Marciano are also legendary as of course his rivallry with the great Ezzard.

Keko wrote:156 pts George Foreman

You miscounted George by 1.
I've been counting it up on Microsoft Excel.

Keko wrote:Jersey Joe Walcott is my favourite boxer of all times, I love the story of his life and his boxing, besides Ali he had the best footworkin the HW but I don't see him in the top 10 at all. His first fights with Louis and Marciano are also legendary as of course his rivallry with the great Ezzard. This is my rest of the top 10 and how i range them
11.Evander Holyfield
12.Wladimir Klitschko
13.Lennox Lewis
14.Ezzard Charles
15.Vitaly Klitschko
16.Sonny Liston
17.Floyd Patterson
18.Jersey Joe Walcott
19.James J .Jeffries
20.Harry Wills

Fair enough, you are entitled to your opinion. It's just nice to see Walcott get some sort of recognition.

27 members voted.

4 days to go...

Crease wrote:

Keko wrote:156 pts George Foreman

You miscounted George by 1.
I've been counting it up on Microsoft Excel.

sorry

1. Muhammad Ali
2. Joe Louis
3. Larry Holmes
4. George Foreman
5. Rocky Marciano
6. Evander Holyfield
7. Joe Frazier
8. Wladimir Klitschko
9. Jack Johnson
10. Mike Tyson

We're down our last 48 hours...

1 - Muhammad Ali
2 - Joe Louis
3 - Jack Johnson
4 - Rocky Marciano
5 - George Foreman
6 - Larry Holmes
7 - Jack Dempsey
8 - Sonny Liston
9 - Joe Frazier
10 - Mike Tyson

milpool wrote:10 votes

Thank for your contribution Mr Milpool. Better late than never.

This game is now officially closed.

Our deadline has passed and all votes are in and accounted for... Thank you to everyone that has voted, every single vote matters on these threads.

If you want to resume playing and continue having your say, I cordially invite each of you to name your top 10 Light Heavyweights on our new thread.

And our final table looks like this:

Current Scoreboard: (counted after 29 members voted)

1st - 282 pts Muhammad Ali
2nd - 270 pts Joe Louis
3rd - 184 pts Larry Holmes
4th - 170 pts George Foreman
5th - 135 pts Jack Johnson
6th - 114 pts Rocky Marciano
7th - 103 pts Lennox Lewis
8th - 96 pts Joe Frazier
9th - 84 pts Evander Holyfield
10th - 73 pts Jack Dempsey

11th - 34 pts Sonny Liston
12th - 29 pts Mike Tyson
13th - 18 pts Wladimir Klitschko
14th - 15 pts Gene Tunney
15th - 12 pts James J Jeffries
16th - 11 pts Vitali Klitschko
17th - 07 pts Sam Langford
18th - 06 pts John L Sullivan
19th - 03 pts Riddick Bowe
Tied 20th - 01 pt Ezzard Charles
Tied 20th - 01 pt Peter Jackson[/quote]

Ali wins by a distance. Muhammad Ali is hereby officially recognized as our Greatest Ever Heavyweight!

Louis is undoubtedly our number 2, then a large gap forms to the chasing pack. But Holmes takes the bronze medal

Great thread. I had hoped Joe Louis would get it but that was just wishful thinking

I don't agree with Lennox Lewis over the greats Mike Tyson and Evander Holyfield at all!

elmersalsa wrote:I don't agree with Lennox Lewis over the greats Mike Tyson and Evander Holyfield at all!

I think the same thing but it is interesting to see the different ways of thinking.
I am glad that we have this topic.

elmersalsa wrote:I don't agree with Lennox Lewis over the greats Mike Tyson and Evander Holyfield at all!

Well, he did manage wins over both of them. Not a bad debate point.

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First off I want to say I enjoyed the tread; read all the posts.

But just to be a ball buster I want to point out the obvious glitch in the scoring; scoring is too simple.

A fictitious result based on 30 voters:

30 x 9 second place votes = 270 points for Louis
15 x 10 first place votes = 150 points for Ali
15 x 8 third place votes = 120 points for Ali

Louis gains 270 points without receiving a single vote for “Greatest”

Ali gains 270 points with half his votes coming as “Greatest” and half his votes coming as ‘third best’ yet ends up tied with Louis.

Thus you end up with a tie for “Greatest Ever Heavyweight” with Louis, who did not receive a single top position vote tied with Ali who received 15 top position votes.

What you need to do is write one of those logarithms Nat Silver uses over on 538, then we can have a more accurate tally; you can write logarithms right? I can’t.

Just screwing with you . . . Light Heavyweights next.

APerno wrote:I want to point out the obvious glitch in the scoring; scoring is too simple.

A fictitious result based on 30 voters:
30 x 9 second place votes = 270 points for Louis
15 x 10 first place votes = 150 points for Ali
15 x 8 third place votes = 120 points for Ali

Louis gains 270 points without receiving a single vote for “Greatest”
Ali gains 270 points with half his votes coming as “Greatest” and half his votes coming as ‘third best’ yet ends up tied with Louis.

Thus you end up with a tie for “Greatest Ever Heavyweight” with Louis, who did not receive a single top position vote tied with Ali who received 15 top position votes.

First off, let me just that that i believe that simplicity is key when doing threads like these. The process of accumulation rather than subtraction or division is a much simpler & transparent way of doing this.

As for your hypothetical example - mathematically you would definitely be correct in your reasoning.
Yet, also according to that 15 members scored Ali higher than Joe and equally - 15 members posted Joe to be higher.

So the counter-arguments tend to balance each other out, don't they?
To make your example the just tie it deserved.

APerno wrote:.

First off I want to say I enjoyed the tread; read all the posts.

But just to be a ball buster I want to point out the obvious glitch in the scoring; scoring is too simple.

A fictitious result based on 30 voters:

30 x 9 second place votes = 270 points for Louis
15 x 10 first place votes = 150 points for Ali
15 x 8 third place votes = 120 points for Ali

Too bad it is not a point system
15 points for first place
12 points for second 10 points for a third
then 7,6,5. But when it is more like no other.

Edit
30 votes we have

I think you can argue that the system that he used is just as good. Why should there be a bigger difference between first and second place than second and third?

Interesting to note that in the top 10 there wasn't any that were extremely close.
Personally, I think we had the right 10 guys. Probably nobody had it in the exact order, including myself. However, it certainly is ball park.
And Liston and Tyson were solid picks who were 11th and 12th. Further down you gets some silly picks, but that is to be expected.

Anyway, good thread!

Ambling Alp II wrote:I think you can argue that the system that he used is just as good. Why should there be a bigger difference between first and second place than second and third?

Interesting to note that in the top 10 there wasn't any that were extremely close.
Personally, I think we had the right 10 guys. Probably nobody had it in the exact order, including myself. However, it certainly is ball park.
And Liston and Tyson were solid picks who were 11th and 12th. Further down you gets some silly picks, but that is to be expected.

Anyway, good thread!

Curious, who made your "silly" list?

Here are some hints: His biggest win is over Chris Byrd. He had three embarrassing defeats in his prime. Another's biggest win is over the great Corrie Sanders and he could not last more than 9 rounds distance against his best opponents.

Their apologists have to resort to the number WBS titles and WBS defenses to try to prop them up.

Ambling Alp II wrote:Here are some hints: His biggest win is over Chris Byrd. He had three embarrassing defeats in his prime. Another's biggest win is over the great Corrie Sanders and he could not last more than 9 rounds distance against his best opponents.

Their apologists have to resort to the number WBS titles and WBS defenses to try to prop them up.

I don't disagree with that

BoxBuzz wrote:

elmersalsa wrote:I don't agree with Lennox Lewis over the greats Mike Tyson and Evander Holyfield at all!

Well, he did manage wins over both of them. Not a bad debate point.

Iron Mike nor The Real Deal were in their primes when he fought them.