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Ned Stark wrote:

jizzle wrote:Post Caveat: I agree that the Sun coverage of Hillsborough was bang out of line...

Tony Bellew is digging David Haye out for reading/being featured/looking at The Sun newspaper and it's a pretty common theme. The majority of Scouse boxers dig people out, don't do Sun interviews etc. etc.

If you are going to make a stand - all well and good. But Sky is a Murdoch machine as much as the Sun and they don't have a problem fighting on that channel and being paid as pundits.

The Sun, Sky and Murdoch are one and the same so why the difference?

The boycott is of the Sun, it is really that simple.

CaptainSpacerod wrote:

Boxerbeetle wrote:They're not really the same, they all have very different staff and governance structures. When the News of the World got done for phone hacking, the Sunday Times didn't need to close.

I expect The Sun has very different staff and governance structures now than they did 27 years ago.

How long is this ridiculous grudge going to be maintained ?

In virtually any other circumstance you can imagine relating to what was at the end of the day only hurtful words, no matter how disgusting the sentiment, the prevailing wisdom would be to move on and let bygones be bygones. Your average scouser of that generation and every one since however has self pity and a victim mentality hardwired into their emotional makeup.

Ned Stark wrote:

mickey1975 wrote:Go on then, I'm on a roll... Who caused Heysel? And don't say it was 14 blokes.

Mick, Bradford and Heysel are separate tragedies. I really can't see any reason why they're brought into the discussion. Would you expect the J96 campaigners to set up campaigns for none related tragedies? The people who've campaigned for Justice and truth about Hillsborough are separate. The Scouse/Merseyside/LFC fan boycott of the Sun is a good thing. The Sun helped change the countries opinion of what really happened at Hillsborough which must have been horrendous for the families and friends of victims. To not forgive is totally understandable especially as the Sun has never really changed its ways and done enough/anything to make up for their actions. To call the same people hypocrites for not boycotting all Murdoch products is just argumentative, the boycott is of the Sun, nothing else.

I also boycott the Sun but wouldn't expect anyone else who isn't involved with LFC or Merseyside to join the boycott. I don't read any papers and whenever anyone quotes the Sun/Mail I tend to glaze over, anyone forming an opinion based on crap they print loses a bit of credibility with me.

Haye is on a wind up, bit crass as he knows what he's doing but he's only interested in selling the fight. Bellew comes across as a bellend, I'm sure he's a great guy but is proper cringeworthy when he talks, incessantly about anything. He shouldn't bite to Haye but he's a drama queen so will carry on as ever.

emallini wrote:It was 5 years ago when Haye held up the paper and it was to point out the headline of him knocking out Chisora. Bellew is clutching at straws, he's an idiot.

mickey1975 wrote:Will never know how bad the Bradford fire victims feel because nobody ever hears about it. Or the Heysel Italians. They're certainly good at campaigns the Liverpudlians.

Pugilist-specialist wrote:

mickey1975 wrote:Will never know how bad the Bradford fire victims feel because nobody ever hears about it. Or the Heysel Italians. They're certainly good at campaigns the Liverpudlians.

After Heysel a Belgian FA official and police chiefs faced charges.

Hillsborough hadn't had a safety certificate for years and South Yorkshire police altered over 200 statements.

jizzle wrote:

jizzle wrote:

Ned Stark wrote:

mickey1975 wrote:Go on then, I'm on a roll... Who caused Heysel? And don't say it was 14 blokes.

Mick, Bradford and Heysel are separate tragedies. I really can't see any reason why they're brought into the discussion. Would you expect the J96 campaigners to set up campaigns for none related tragedies? The people who've campaigned for Justice and truth about Hillsborough are separate. The Scouse/Merseyside/LFC fan boycott of the Sun is a good thing. The Sun helped change the countries opinion of what really happened at Hillsborough which must have been horrendous for the families and friends of victims. To not forgive is totally understandable especially as the Sun has never really changed its ways and done enough/anything to make up for their actions. To call the same people hypocrites for not boycotting all Murdoch products is just argumentative, the boycott is of the Sun, nothing else.

I also boycott the Sun but wouldn't expect anyone else who isn't involved with LFC or Merseyside to join the boycott. I don't read any papers and whenever anyone quotes the Sun/Mail I tend to glaze over, anyone forming an opinion based on crap they print loses a bit of credibility with me.

Haye is on a wind up, bit crass as he knows what he's doing but he's only interested in selling the fight. Bellew comes across as a bellend, I'm sure he's a great guy but is proper cringeworthy when he talks, incessantly about anything. He shouldn't bite to Haye but he's a drama queen so will carry on as ever.

samwbr wrote:The boycott and the ongoing campaign for justice was shining a light on the biggest conspiracy in British legal history carried out by the very authorities that are state funded and there to serve and protect the public.
It can happen to any one, they just picked on the wrong people this time. Petty points scoring might make some feel good but you should be pleased the families of the 96 had the strength of character to see it through as it's to everyone's advantage that this corruption has been properly exposed so it can hopefully never happen again.

samwbr wrote: It can happen to any one, they just picked on the wrong people this time.

Fat Git wrote:

samwbr wrote: It can happen to any one, they just picked on the wrong people this time.

Have this..

And who's the 'right people' to pick on?

Who sits back and takes it? (Except for people who voted for Brexit?)

The miners?
The Scots when they got the Poll Tax before everyone else?

People fighting for what's right isn't just a scouse trait.

samwbr wrote: did I say anyone else was 'wrong'?

In the case of Hillsborough the establishment never thought for one second that what has come to pass would. The results of the campaign are there for all to see and wider society benefits yet people still snipe.

The campaign centred around a disaster that affected people from right across the UK and was fought by the families of those people and more, not just in the UK either.

samwbr wrote:The resolve of people wronged by the establishment doesn't surprise me, it never has no matter where they come from. Yet the HJC still gets slagged and were abused from day 1 and it continues to this day despite the evidence and findings. This thread is proof of that.

samwbr wrote:Yet the HJC still gets slagged and were abused from day 1 and it continues to this day despite the evidence and findings. .

Counter-puncher wrote:

samwbr wrote:Yet the HJC still gets slagged and were abused from day 1 and it continues to this day despite the evidence and findings. .

not sure who exactly, on this thread, has 'slagged and abused' the HJC?

if anyone is getting 'slagged and abused' its the bandwagon-jumpers and stirrers, and the gratuitous display of 'wounded scouseness' of Bellew, showing a Newspaper headline from 4 years ago in an attempt to imply Haye is 'insulting us scousers', in a gesture which sums up some of the criticisms on here of 'typical scouse whinging'

Loftgroov wrote:Scousers love victimhood.

I remember when that guy Ken Bigley got his head chopped off by ISIS and “the whole city was in mourning”…. How daft. Boris Johnson then got slated for calling them out on it (i.e. just saying what everyone outside Liverpool was thinking).

The Sun’s reporting on Hillsborough was clearly awful, but holding a city-wide grudge against a newspaper after all these years……