BoxRec

Brook has been offered a guaranteed £5 million for this fight.. Stop the talking about % they just don't matter.. £5 million guarantee £2 million more than he got for fighting GGG... People keep making excuses its simple for Khan's team he has a mega fight end of the year.. He can take an easier fight before hand. He wants to earn what he feels is rights £9 million he made against Canelo compared to Brooks £2.2 million v GGG.. If Brook is making double why shouldn't Khan?

daviddee wrote:Brook has been offered a guaranteed £5 million for this fight.. Stop the talking about % they just don't matter.. £5 million guarantee £2 million more than he got for fighting GGG... People keep making excuses its simple for Khan's team he has a mega fight end of the year.. He can take an easier fight before hand. He wants to earn what he feels is rights £9 million he made against Canelo compared to Brooks £2.2 million v GGG.. If Brook is making double why shouldn't Khan?

Hold on, Khan made £9 million against Canelo? Nonsense!

Why is Khan deemed to be in such a strong negotiating position? He hasn't beaten anybody for years and has been levelled by fighters seemingly worse than himself.

Just because he talks like he is at the elite level it doesn't mean he is! They both got beat in their last step up fights but even then, Kell lost to the better fighter and in 'better' fashion. He put it on GGG for a bit whereas Canelo never looked uncomfortable at any moment.

Khan is a part time celebrity boxer these days. He won't risk anything. The sport can do without such attitudes. Shame really because when in the ring, his courage can't be denied.

Brook also don't come away from this whiter than white. He's fought far too much crap for a man of his talent. It's a shame but I think we'll never see what he could have been. We have only had glimpses.

lillywhite14 wrote:Why is Khan deemed to be in such a strong negotiating position? He hasn't beaten anybody for years and has been levelled by fighters seemingly worse than himself.

Just because he talks like he is at the elite level it doesn't mean he is! They both got beat in their last step up fights but even then, Kell lost to the better fighter and in 'better' fashion. He put it on GGG for a bit whereas Canelo never looked uncomfortable at any moment.

Khan is a part time celebrity boxer these days. He won't risk anything. The sport can do without such attitudes. Shame really because when in the ring, his courage can't be denied.

Brook also don't come away from this whiter than white. He's fought far too much crap for a man of his talent. It's a shame but I think we'll never see what he could have been. We have only had glimpses.

You answered your own question.
Q - "Why is khan deemed to be in such a strong negotiating position?"
A - "Khan is a part time CELEBRITY boxer"

lillywhite14 wrote:Why is Khan deemed to be in such a strong negotiating position? He hasn't beaten anybody for years and has been levelled by fighters seemingly worse than himself.

Just because he talks like he is at the elite level it doesn't mean he is! They both got beat in their last step up fights but even then, Kell lost to the better fighter and in 'better' fashion. He put it on GGG for a bit whereas Canelo never looked uncomfortable at any moment.

Khan is a part time celebrity boxer these days. He won't risk anything. The sport can do without such attitudes. Shame really because when in the ring, his courage can't be denied.

Brook also don't come away from this whiter than white. He's fought far too much crap for a man of his talent. It's a shame but I think we'll never see what he could have been. We have only had glimpses.

Knocked out by fighters seemingly worse than him? One, Briedis Prescott. Garcia and Canelo are better surely? If only Brook went near fighters like that. Garcia was a unification fight he chose to take! You can slag Khan off all you want but he's proven himself to be far more game a fighter than Brook ever has.

Khan actually won rounds against Canelo, Brook made himself a slight nuisance while GGG got warmed up and wanted out as soon as possible.

TheDarkDestroyer wrote:

lillywhite14 wrote:Why is Khan deemed to be in such a strong negotiating position? He hasn't beaten anybody for years and has been levelled by fighters seemingly worse than himself.

Just because he talks like he is at the elite level it doesn't mean he is! They both got beat in their last step up fights but even then, Kell lost to the better fighter and in 'better' fashion. He put it on GGG for a bit whereas Canelo never looked uncomfortable at any moment.

Khan is a part time celebrity boxer these days. He won't risk anything. The sport can do without such attitudes. Shame really because when in the ring, his courage can't be denied.

Brook also don't come away from this whiter than white. He's fought far too much crap for a man of his talent. It's a shame but I think we'll never see what he could have been. We have only had glimpses.

Knocked out by fighters seemingly worse than him? One, Briedis Prescott. Garcia and Canelo are better surely? If only Brook went near fighters like that. Garcia was a unification fight he chose to take! You can slag Khan off all you want but he's proven himself to be far more game a fighter than Brook ever has.

Khan actually won rounds against Canelo, Brook made himself a slight nuisance while GGG got warmed up and wanted out as soon as possible.

Wasn't Brook up on the cards before it got stopped?

Rob3_142 wrote:

TheDarkDestroyer wrote:

lillywhite14 wrote:Why is Khan deemed to be in such a strong negotiating position? He hasn't beaten anybody for years and has been levelled by fighters seemingly worse than himself.

Just because he talks like he is at the elite level it doesn't mean he is! They both got beat in their last step up fights but even then, Kell lost to the better fighter and in 'better' fashion. He put it on GGG for a bit whereas Canelo never looked uncomfortable at any moment.

Khan is a part time celebrity boxer these days. He won't risk anything. The sport can do without such attitudes. Shame really because when in the ring, his courage can't be denied.

Brook also don't come away from this whiter than white. He's fought far too much crap for a man of his talent. It's a shame but I think we'll never see what he could have been. We have only had glimpses.

Knocked out by fighters seemingly worse than him? One, Briedis Prescott. Garcia and Canelo are better surely? If only Brook went near fighters like that. Garcia was a unification fight he chose to take! You can slag Khan off all you want but he's proven himself to be far more game a fighter than Brook ever has.

Khan actually won rounds against Canelo, Brook made himself a slight nuisance while GGG got warmed up and wanted out as soon as possible.

Wasn't Brook up on the cards before it got stopped?

No, it was a MD. 38-38, still makes me wrong though.

TheDarkDestroyer wrote:

lillywhite14 wrote:Why is Khan deemed to be in such a strong negotiating position? He hasn't beaten anybody for years and has been levelled by fighters seemingly worse than himself.

Just because he talks like he is at the elite level it doesn't mean he is! They both got beat in their last step up fights but even then, Kell lost to the better fighter and in 'better' fashion. He put it on GGG for a bit whereas Canelo never looked uncomfortable at any moment.

Khan is a part time celebrity boxer these days. He won't risk anything. The sport can do without such attitudes. Shame really because when in the ring, his courage can't be denied.

Brook also don't come away from this whiter than white. He's fought far too much crap for a man of his talent. It's a shame but I think we'll never see what he could have been. We have only had glimpses.

Knocked out by fighters seemingly worse than him? One, Briedis Prescott. Garcia and Canelo are better surely? If only Brook went near fighters like that. Garcia was a unification fight he chose to take! You can slag Khan off all you want but he's proven himself to be far more game a fighter than Brook ever has.

Khan actually won rounds against Canelo, Brook made himself a slight nuisance while GGG got warmed up and wanted out as soon as possible.

And why did the GGG/Brook fight get made? A knee-jerk reaction to the Khan/Canelo fight getting made.
Khan made the headlines moving up 2 weight classes to face a MW. Brook and Hearn saw the press and simply copied the move
Would the Brook/GGG fight have happened without the Khan/Canelo fight? I highly doubt it.
Brook is a step behind Khan on every level exposure-wise. His pay packet should reflect that...

He was up 2 rounds on one, level on the other two.

I had a good seat fight, and I can certainly see why a judge might have given Kell a round or two, but GGG was in complete control of the fight.

wesshaw1985 wrote:

TheDarkDestroyer wrote:

lillywhite14 wrote:Why is Khan deemed to be in such a strong negotiating position? He hasn't beaten anybody for years and has been levelled by fighters seemingly worse than himself.

Just because he talks like he is at the elite level it doesn't mean he is! They both got beat in their last step up fights but even then, Kell lost to the better fighter and in 'better' fashion. He put it on GGG for a bit whereas Canelo never looked uncomfortable at any moment.

Khan is a part time celebrity boxer these days. He won't risk anything. The sport can do without such attitudes. Shame really because when in the ring, his courage can't be denied.

Brook also don't come away from this whiter than white. He's fought far too much crap for a man of his talent. It's a shame but I think we'll never see what he could have been. We have only had glimpses.

Knocked out by fighters seemingly worse than him? One, Briedis Prescott. Garcia and Canelo are better surely? If only Brook went near fighters like that. Garcia was a unification fight he chose to take! You can slag Khan off all you want but he's proven himself to be far more game a fighter than Brook ever has.

Khan actually won rounds against Canelo, Brook made himself a slight nuisance while GGG got warmed up and wanted out as soon as possible.

And why did the GGG/Brook fight get made? A knee-jerk reaction to the Khan/Canelo fight getting made.
Khan made the headlines moving up 2 weight classes to face a MW. Brook and Hearn saw the press and simply copied the move
Would the Brook/GGG fight have happened without the Khan/Canelo fight? I highly doubt it.
Brook is a step behind Khan on every level exposure-wise. His pay packet should reflect that...

I don't know if it wouldn't have got made without Khan-Canelo but I still don't see why Brook fought Golovkin. He literally had no chance, I don't see why they did it. Brook had options, and big fights at welterweight. There is no one in the division I think is significantly stronger than Brook, I don't see why he didn't chase a big unification fight there, GGG really didn't do anything for him other than raise his bank balance. Moving to 154 is dangerous too as it's a very strong division and I don't see what they'll do there.

Loynesy wrote:He was up 2 rounds on one, level on the other two.

I had a good seat fight, and I can certainly see why a judge might have given Kell a round or two, but GGG was in complete control of the fight.

MD yes. Golovkin was never in any bother. Brook looked great in spurts, but I just don't see why they did it. It was a hiding to nothing.

TheDarkDestroyer wrote:

wesshaw1985 wrote:

TheDarkDestroyer wrote:

Knocked out by fighters seemingly worse than him? One, Briedis Prescott. Garcia and Canelo are better surely? If only Brook went near fighters like that. Garcia was a unification fight he chose to take! You can slag Khan off all you want but he's proven himself to be far more game a fighter than Brook ever has.

Khan actually won rounds against Canelo, Brook made himself a slight nuisance while GGG got warmed up and wanted out as soon as possible.

And why did the GGG/Brook fight get made? A knee-jerk reaction to the Khan/Canelo fight getting made.
Khan made the headlines moving up 2 weight classes to face a MW. Brook and Hearn saw the press and simply copied the move
Would the Brook/GGG fight have happened without the Khan/Canelo fight? I highly doubt it.
Brook is a step behind Khan on every level exposure-wise. His pay packet should reflect that...

I don't know if it wouldn't have got made without Khan-Canelo but I still don't see why Brook fought Golovkin. He literally had no chance, I don't see why they did it. Brook had options, and big fights at welterweight. There is no one in the division I think is significantly stronger than Brook, I don't see why he didn't chase a big unification fight there, GGG really didn't do anything for him other than raise his bank balance. Moving to 154 is dangerous too as it's a very strong division and I don't see what they'll do there.

I dont know why he would have even considered jumping 2 weight divisions to fight GGG had he not felt it necessary to counteract the hype Khan was getting by doing the same to face Canelo.
It was 100% a reactionary move...

wesshaw1985 wrote:

liamlion wrote:

wesshaw1985 wrote: Brook got dominated and stopped by GGG. Brook has had 2 big fights in his whole career. Brook has no fanbase. Brook does not have an endless list of opponents...

...50-50 split then!

Ps Kell is undefeated outside of the middleweight divsion and is currently a world champion.

If i was Brock, id feck Khan off. He is a greedy deluded little man. He is a chinless wonder and a fight against any of the champions at 147 lbs would be suicide for him. He should stay semi-retired. At least Brook would be competitive against the other champions and has a meaningful career outside of Khan.

If you were Brook and you would ignore Khan, who would you face next?

I want Brook to fight Khan but I wouldn't pander to Khan's delusions or arrogance. I'd like to see Brock take on Spence. Eddie clearly doesn't fancy the Spence fight tho.

liamlion wrote:

wesshaw1985 wrote:

liamlion wrote:
...50-50 split then!

Ps Kell is undefeated outside of the middleweight divsion and is currently a world champion.

If i was Brock, id feck Khan off. He is a greedy deluded little man. He is a chinless wonder and a fight against any of the champions at 147 lbs would be suicide for him. He should stay semi-retired. At least Brook would be competitive against the other champions and has a meaningful career outside of Khan.

If you were Brook and you would ignore Khan, who would you face next?

I want Brook to fight Khan but I wouldn't pander to Khan's delusions or arrogance. I'd like to see Brock take on Spence. Eddie clearly doesn't fancy the Spence fight tho.

Agree i don't think Eddie really has much confidence in Brook ,, He certainly does'nt seem to want to take on Spence , his big plans are based on Khan , I can see the logic a ko win over Khan will boost his profile , and make the Spence fight worth a lot more money that would be 2 decent ppv's Eddie would control ,, Stumbling block is Khan and his management obviuosly know this and want a big payday , which has i said before a ko win to Brook = higher international profile and a big step up the ladder , a Ko loss for Khan means he's not slipped he's fell off the ladder

wesshaw1985 wrote:

TheDarkDestroyer wrote:

wesshaw1985 wrote: And why did the GGG/Brook fight get made? A knee-jerk reaction to the Khan/Canelo fight getting made.
Khan made the headlines moving up 2 weight classes to face a MW. Brook and Hearn saw the press and simply copied the move
Would the Brook/GGG fight have happened without the Khan/Canelo fight? I highly doubt it.
Brook is a step behind Khan on every level exposure-wise. His pay packet should reflect that...

I don't know if it wouldn't have got made without Khan-Canelo but I still don't see why Brook fought Golovkin. He literally had no chance, I don't see why they did it. Brook had options, and big fights at welterweight. There is no one in the division I think is significantly stronger than Brook, I don't see why he didn't chase a big unification fight there, GGG really didn't do anything for him other than raise his bank balance. Moving to 154 is dangerous too as it's a very strong division and I don't see what they'll do there.

I dont know why he would have even considered jumping 2 weight divisions to fight GGG had he not felt it necessary to counteract the hype Khan was getting by doing the same to face Canelo.
It was 100% a reactionary move...

From all accounts over 3 million reasons

Khan v Brook ever been on.

TheDarkDestroyer wrote:

lillywhite14 wrote:Why is Khan deemed to be in such a strong negotiating position? He hasn't beaten anybody for years and has been levelled by fighters seemingly worse than himself.

Just because he talks like he is at the elite level it doesn't mean he is! They both got beat in their last step up fights but even then, Kell lost to the better fighter and in 'better' fashion. He put it on GGG for a bit whereas Canelo never looked uncomfortable at any moment.

Khan is a part time celebrity boxer these days. He won't risk anything. The sport can do without such attitudes. Shame really because when in the ring, his courage can't be denied.

Brook also don't come away from this whiter than white. He's fought far too much crap for a man of his talent. It's a shame but I think we'll never see what he could have been. We have only had glimpses.

Knocked out by fighters seemingly worse than him? One, Briedis Prescott. Garcia and Canelo are better surely? If only Brook went near fighters like that. Garcia was a unification fight he chose to take! You can slag Khan off all you want but he's proven himself to be far more game a fighter than Brook ever has.

Khan actually won rounds against Canelo, Brook made himself a slight nuisance while GGG got warmed up and wanted out as soon as possible.

I actually think Khan is better than Garcia in virtually every department. Obviously there's one or two very important areas where Khan isn't better!

I rate Khan highly, and he has as much courage as anyone in the ring but his out of the ring attitude annoys me I guess.

TheDarkDestroyer wrote:

Loynesy wrote:He was up 2 rounds on one, level on the other two.

I had a good seat fight, and I can certainly see why a judge might have given Kell a round or two, but GGG was in complete control of the fight.

MD yes. Golovkin was never in any bother. Brook looked great in spurts, but I just don't see why they did it. It was a hiding to nothing.

Golovkin was really sloppy against Brook, he didn't bother using his skills at all, just started out looking for a big spectacular shot as he knew Brook couldn't hurt him. As soon as Golovkin decided to settle down a bit, it just turned into a beating.

liamlion wrote:

wesshaw1985 wrote:

liamlion wrote:
...50-50 split then!

Ps Kell is undefeated outside of the middleweight divsion and is currently a world champion.

If i was Brock, id feck Khan off. He is a greedy deluded little man. He is a chinless wonder and a fight against any of the champions at 147 lbs would be suicide for him. He should stay semi-retired. At least Brook would be competitive against the other champions and has a meaningful career outside of Khan.

If you were Brook and you would ignore Khan, who would you face next?

I want Brook to fight Khan but I wouldn't pander to Khan's delusions or arrogance. I'd like to see Brock take on Spence. Eddie clearly doesn't fancy the Spence fight tho.

Its not about pandering. Its about taking a huge payday for a fight most expect you to win.
He is effectively paying Khan to take his name. And no doubt Khan will want a rematch so then Kell can hold Amirs feet to the fire.
50/50 isn't realistic...

Rob3_142 wrote:

daviddee wrote:Brook has been offered a guaranteed £5 million for this fight.. Stop the talking about % they just don't matter.. £5 million guarantee £2 million more than he got for fighting GGG... People keep making excuses its simple for Khan's team he has a mega fight end of the year.. He can take an easier fight before hand. He wants to earn what he feels is rights £9 million he made against Canelo compared to Brooks £2.2 million v GGG.. If Brook is making double why shouldn't Khan?

Hold on, Khan made £9 million against Canelo? Nonsense!

And Brook made far more than daviddee claimed. Fake facts to support a poor argument.

wesshaw1985 wrote: Brook is a step behind Khan on every level exposure-wise.

Khan is an expert at exposing himself

Another 3 tapes being hawked around allegedly.

Maybe Khan/Brook can be our version of Mayweather/Pacquiao where we can have endless threads about who ducking who before both guys finally meet about 6 years down the line in a cash out job when both are on the slide

There is a fine line between 'getting the best deal' and 'not wanting the fight' - and Khan is well over that line and hiding behind a bush !

I don't forecast it ever happening ever.

Rob3_142 wrote:

TheDarkDestroyer wrote:

lillywhite14 wrote:Why is Khan deemed to be in such a strong negotiating position? He hasn't beaten anybody for years and has been levelled by fighters seemingly worse than himself.

Just because he talks like he is at the elite level it doesn't mean he is! They both got beat in their last step up fights but even then, Kell lost to the better fighter and in 'better' fashion. He put it on GGG for a bit whereas Canelo never looked uncomfortable at any moment.

Khan is a part time celebrity boxer these days. He won't risk anything. The sport can do without such attitudes. Shame really because when in the ring, his courage can't be denied.

Brook also don't come away from this whiter than white. He's fought far too much crap for a man of his talent. It's a shame but I think we'll never see what he could have been. We have only had glimpses.

Knocked out by fighters seemingly worse than him? One, Briedis Prescott. Garcia and Canelo are better surely? If only Brook went near fighters like that. Garcia was a unification fight he chose to take! You can slag Khan off all you want but he's proven himself to be far more game a fighter than Brook ever has.

Khan actually won rounds against Canelo, Brook made himself a slight nuisance while GGG got warmed up and wanted out as soon as possible.

Wasn't Brook up on the cards before it got stopped?

Don't know but most writers had him winning one round

Most irrelevant cards of Brooks career, he was never going to last the distance and it remains to be seen how much that beating has taken away from him.