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Re: What part of these isles are you from?
Posted: 01 Feb 2017, 16:44
by davie
Supremo wrote:
the battle of the Boyne had a huge influence of the development of the country. If it hadn't have been won the country would have taken a completely different course of events- that's worth celebrating.
Do you also object to those who march in bannockburn to celebrate the anniversary of that battle?
One Scotland, many cultures.....unless you're an Orangeman.
People who march in Bannockburn?
Who are they?
As far as I can ascertain, there was a re-enactment in 2014 to commemorate the 700th anniversary but there are no "Battle of Bannockburn march"
But if there were, they'd be in Bannockburn, Scotland, to celebrate a military victory which happened in Bannockburn and played a huge role in the history of Scotland.
However your marches (and I'm now in very little doubt they are your marches, your true colours are shining through) celebrate a battle between an English King and a Dutch prince which happened in Ireland and now people from Larkhall decide they need to dress up in funny costumes and march through the streets for weeks on end trying to antagonise an inconvenience as many people as possible.
In fact you often choose a largely catholic area to march through, to really get the best reaction. It'd be like your mythical Bannockburn marchers going to York for a jolly
Re: What part of these isles are you from?
Posted: 01 Feb 2017, 16:56
by Supremo
Utter pish. Clearly no idea what you're talking about. A load of ignorant cliched rubbish.
Re: What part of these isles are you from?
Posted: 01 Feb 2017, 17:23
by davie
Supremo wrote:Utter pish. Clearly no idea what you're talking about. A load of ignorant cliched rubbish.
Care to point out what is cliched about pointing out that you invented Bannockburn marches.
Or that the battle of the Boyne was in Ireland between a Dutch prince and an English king and is now celebrated in Larkhall
Or that the marches purposely target largely catholic areas where they are not welcome
Or that they are a massively unwelcome inconvenience
Any actual challenges to what I actually said?
Re: What part of these isles are you from?
Posted: 01 Feb 2017, 17:28
by davie
For the attention of the rest of the board.
My sincere apologies for starting this thread.
Mods, could you move it to the off topic forum please.
I originally started it to find out where the British and Irish forums poster came from.
It has kind of taken a tangent and has zero relevance to the board or indeed to British and Irish boxing
Re: What part of these isles are you from?
Posted: 01 Feb 2017, 18:41
by Supremo
davie wrote:Supremo wrote:Utter pish. Clearly no idea what you're talking about. A load of ignorant cliched rubbish.
Care to point out what is cliched about pointing out that you invented Bannockburn marches.
http://calendarcustoms.com/articles/bat ... emoration/
Or that the battle of the Boyne was in Ireland between a Dutch prince and an English king and is now celebrated in Larkhall
the Union of crowns took place 83 years before the Boyne. William was OUR king.
Or that the marches purposely target largely catholic areas where they are not welcome
That is just an utter lie.
Where are there "catholic" areas in Scotland by the way?
Or that they are a massively unwelcome inconvenience
To whom? Some bigots might take offence at the sight and sound of musical processions. Others enjoy the culture and spectacle and the local businesses must be delighted with the increased revenue.
Any actual challenges to what I actually said?
Re: What part of these isles are you from?
Posted: 02 Feb 2017, 03:40
by davie
Supremo wrote:davie wrote:Supremo wrote:Utter pish. Clearly no idea what you're talking about. A load of ignorant cliched rubbish.
Care to point out what is cliched about pointing out that you invented Bannockburn marches.
http://calendarcustoms.com/articles/bat ... emoration/
Or that the battle of the Boyne was in Ireland between a Dutch prince and an English king and is now celebrated in Larkhall
the Union of crowns took place 83 years before the Boyne. William was OUR king.
I'll (grudgingly) give you that one
Or that the marches purposely target largely catholic areas where they are not welcome
That is just an utter lie.
Where are there "catholic" areas in Scotland by the way?
There are predominantly catholic and protestant areas in Scotland, it's not up for debate, it's a known fact, you know this, you referred to yourself as coming from an "Orange town" ffs, your words.
I will correct myself in as far as this type of incident is really more of an issue in N Ireland itself and was quite a high profile news issue only a couple years back
Or that they are a massively unwelcome inconvenience
To whom? Some bigots might take offence at the sight and sound of musical processions. Others enjoy the culture and spectacle and the local businesses must be delighted with the increased revenue.
If you genuinely believe this, there really is little point continuing this discussion as you are clearly utterly blinkered. Seriously, other that "orangemen", absolutely everyone I know or have discussed this with, at very least thinks these are an utter inconvenience, if you honestly believe that yopu have to be a bigot to take umbrage at these marches and that they are a welcome cultural and musical spectacle, you are deluded beyond belief and must live in some sort of orange tinted bubble.... seriously, do you live in Larkhall?
Any actual challenges to what I actually said?
Re: What part of these isles are you from?
Posted: 02 Feb 2017, 04:45
by handsofstone
Cant we all just agree that its bollocks?
Its funny but ive never heard anyone bang on about their English or Welsh heritage but having an Irish ancestor from hundreds of years ago, Scots love to bang on about that
If I was Irish and was brought up with the Troubles, I think I would cringe seeing a load of Scots who weren't even born then coming over and waving flags about and singing the songs etc
Re: What part of these isles are you from?
Posted: 02 Feb 2017, 05:42
by dalcumly
Two points about sectarianism in Scotland.
1 The largest 'protest' march in Scotland every year is the 12th of July celebrations in Glasgow.
2 Why is there so many Roman Catholic schools in Scotland many of which are right next door to state schools. Double the cost I'd suggest.
To suggest that this whole issue is an irrelevance is simply not true. It doesn't matter if anyone thinks its a nonsense in this day in age the fact is - its there!!
And on the football issue why do 60,000 Celtic fans and 50,000 Rangers fans travel dozens of miles to watch teams in Glasgow. Why have Celtic always flown the Irish tricolour above the stand and why does the home dressing room at Ibrox have a photo of the Queen on the wall?
Davie
You're quite right to try to have this removed from a boxing forum. The bitterness is there and will never be removed in our lifetime. People on the outside simply to not understand the depth of feeling on both sides ,its not like a political debate where people agree to disagree, its much more violent than that.
Re: What part of these isles are you from?
Posted: 02 Feb 2017, 07:26
by Tomasino
dalcumly wrote:Tomasino
I apologise , it was Daretbg who posted the clip, and you responded that you'd like to execute those involved.
Indeed, I would. IATP
Re: What part of these isles are you from?
Posted: 02 Feb 2017, 07:29
by Tomasino
davie wrote:Supremo wrote:davie wrote:
Care to point out what is cliched about pointing out that you invented Bannockburn marches.
http://calendarcustoms.com/articles/bat ... emoration/
Or that the battle of the Boyne was in Ireland between a Dutch prince and an English king and is now celebrated in Larkhall
the Union of crowns took place 83 years before the Boyne. William was OUR king.
I'll (grudgingly) give you that one
Or that the marches purposely target largely catholic areas where they are not welcome
That is just an utter lie.
Where are there "catholic" areas in Scotland by the way?
There are predominantly catholic and protestant areas in Scotland, it's not up for debate, it's a known fact, you know this, you referred to yourself as coming from an "Orange town" ffs, your words.
I will correct myself in as far as this type of incident is really more of an issue in N Ireland itself and was quite a high profile news issue only a couple years back
Or that they are a massively unwelcome inconvenience
To whom? Some bigots might take offence at the sight and sound of musical processions. Others enjoy the culture and spectacle and the local businesses must be delighted with the increased revenue.
If you genuinely believe this, there really is little point continuing this discussion as you are clearly utterly blinkered. Seriously, other that "orangemen", absolutely everyone I know or have discussed this with, at very least thinks these are an utter inconvenience, if you honestly believe that yopu have to be a bigot to take umbrage at these marches and that they are a welcome cultural and musical spectacle, you are deluded beyond belief and must live in some sort of orange tinted bubble.... seriously, do you live in Larkhall?
Any actual challenges to what I actually said?
I'd guess an Ayrshire town...or Larkhall
Re: What part of these isles are you from?
Posted: 02 Feb 2017, 08:54
by Emmseegee
Amazes me how much of an effect people allow it to have on their lives. Caveman mentality and thats from both sides.
Re: What part of these isles are you from?
Posted: 02 Feb 2017, 12:29
by DareTBG
Re: What part of these isles are you from?
Posted: 03 Feb 2017, 11:44
by manchester-mexican
I hate all that shite tbh always have n I grew up in the middle of it, I look at my boy now n want something better for him, there's still plenty of hatred in Norn Iron but thankfully we are heading in the right direction it seems, tho we've a long way to go yet.