WBC suspends Povetkin

[Rob3_142]

I think you are glossing over what he said and trying to cherry pick, like why was Povetkin suddenly multi tested right before his fight with Wilder - and Wilder had no intention of fighting him because he never even went to Russia to train for the fight - while other fighters fail their drug test and no problema - and some fighters just outright refuse to take it - which is what Russian athletes should be doing - and again no problema. As for Ostarine it was supposedly found but in such miniscule amount that it is meaningless because that stuff is also found in small amounts in food. As for why meldonium was used for so long by so many people if it has no benefits - go into a health food store or health food section of a supermarket or look at the ads in bodybuilding magazines and look at all the popular supplements they are advertising, ordinary vitamin pills too, fish oil capsules, whatever - most of them have absolutely no benefits either, but people have been taking them for years - and many if fact do more harm than good. Even if you stuff yourself with all the real powerful steroids - none of which anyone even claims to have found on Povetkin - that you can get your paws on it won't turn you into a heavyweight champ or world class athlete.

I'd like to see real drug control in sports, but administered fairly - not by some sheister Las Vegas doctor - and focusing on the strong steroids like the crap that bodybuilders and wrasslers use - and quite possibly the big name in crowd in boxing that don't get played by this hoax - and not on minor supplements.

I took the trouble to respond to you, Rob, and then you ignored my response.

Sorry mate, not ignoring you on purpose, just trying to not let BoxRec distract me too much from writing my thesis (easier said than done). Will endeavour to respond after this paragraph...

[Ilya Muromets]

There is no reason for the conspiracy...

Of course there is. They want to protect their investments, the "in" fighters with the proper connections.

You're a moron, that fight was worth 5 to wilder and al. Your life obviously has nothing in it.

Your posts are always worthless.

[Ilya Muromets]

Sorry mate, not ignoring you on purpose, just trying to not let BoxRec distract me too much from writing my thesis (easier said than done). Will endeavour to respond after this paragraph...

OK no problem, partner.

That's what I like, a person who can disagree politely and debate rationally.

[Kalan]

Don't be so ignorant and learn the facts... I'm NOT taking Povetkin's or Ryabinsky's word for anything.. I'm taking the word of WADA, VADA and the WBC and they're western entities who were backed into a corner and forced to admit Povetkin wasn't guilty of taking Meldonium after it was banned.

I'm taking Don Catlin's word for it because he's one of the top experts in the world on PEDs and he's an American -- that Meldonium isn't a PED

The facts are there for any intelligent person to check.. After months of "investigation" Povetkin was found guiltless of taking Medonium after it was banned.. The Wilder fight did NOT need to be postponed or killed.. The Ostarine test is fishy as Hell because they claim they found a fraction of a nanogram of the PED, which again was perfectly legal to take well into this century.

Two Russian promotions killed hours before the fights -- after Ryabinsky outbid American promoters for those fights.

Once again, I will reiterate that I acknowledge and respect the final decision made by VADA, WADA and the WBC over the ruling of Meldonium. I do not accept that the drug is not performance enhancing. After reading the literature, I have concluded that Meldonium definitely promotes physiological changes in the body which could, and probably do result in increases in physiological performances. I agree with Don Catlin's position that there is no evidence to support that Meldonium is performance enhancing, but only because insufficient studies have been done. I am confident that when these studies have been concluded that the results will show Meldonium is performance enhancing. This is my scientific opinion, and would accept any outcome.

As far as Ostarine goes, according to the WADA website, there is no minimum threshold, and any trace is sufficient for a positive test. Samples A and B both come back positive, so as a result failed test and correctly banned (albeit only with the WBC currently).

There should be a minimum concentration of Ostarine, even if it's a nanogram, which is an amount that can't possibly do anything to anyone and Povetkin had 1/10th of that.. You have a nonogram of arsenic in your urine sample but it's not going to do anything to you. The fact there isn't a minimum concentration smacks of corruption.. You have 3 foreign world champions in a year testing positive for Ostarine by VADA, and all claiming they never used it, but paying VADA and the WBC big fees to continue boxing.. Doesn't pass the smell test.

[Kalan]

Especially since these positive Ostarine tests haven't been coming up that much before and the drug and been banned for 8 or 9 years.

[Ilya Muromets]

It's a scam. They make big bucks on each drug test they perform. It's a Las Vegas scam. Everything in Las Vegas is a scam. Why would anyone think this thing is suddenly different from everything else there?

[Badhusker]

[joe strong]

Not true. 10 of his first twelve pro fights were KO's.

I'm pretty certain most the guys in the top 50 have a high KO rate in their first 10 pro fights.

Povetkin fought guys like Richard Bango (17-1 at the time, with Nikolay Valuev as his only loss), Deontay Wilder had "Tye Cobb" as his best opponent, who has fought 8 guys before he fought Wilder, all 8 opponents combined had 4 wins in total, 3 of those were won by a guy who lost by KO in the 2nd round against a 154 pound guy one match after (who wasn't a top contender himself either). Also note that Tye Cobb lost against this guy:
http://boxrec.com/boxer/213192



That's quite a bit of difference you know?

You are actually going to bring up Richard Bango? The guy smashed 17 cans before Valuev. fighters with amazing records of 1-1, 4-7-1, 15-55, 14-101-5, 2-34, etc, etc... Hahaha...

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Of course there is. They want to protect their investments, the "in" fighters with the proper connections.

You're a moron, that fight was worth 5 to wilder and al. Your life obviously has nothing in it.

Your posts are always worthless.

Don't read them.

[asdfjkl]

I'm pretty certain most the guys in the top 50 have a high KO rate in their first 10 pro fights.

Povetkin fought guys like Richard Bango (17-1 at the time, with Nikolay Valuev as his only loss), Deontay Wilder had "Tye Cobb" as his best opponent, who has fought 8 guys before he fought Wilder, all 8 opponents combined had 4 wins in total, 3 of those were won by a guy who lost by KO in the 2nd round against a 154 pound guy one match after (who wasn't a top contender himself either). Also note that Tye Cobb lost against this guy:
http://boxrec.com/boxer/213192



That's quite a bit of difference you know?

You are actually going to bring up Richard Bango? The guy smashed 17 cans before Valuev. fighters with amazing records of 1-1, 4-7-1, 15-55, 14-101-5, 2-34, etc, etc... Hahaha...

Have you seen what kind of guys Wilder fought? I even selected his best opponent, an opponent that lost on KO in 2 rounds against an avarage 154 pound guy.

[asdfjkl]

Ryabinsky was asked about the dates by a few people, and he didn't to respond, while responding to people blindly supporting his agenda.

Could you show me that?

Only if you speak Russian. Click on this tweet:

https://twitter.com/Ryabinskiy/status/8 ... 8958825472

The only thing I see is Ryabinskiy beïng right, not anything you suggest?

[Ilya Muromets]

Could you show me that?

Only if you speak Russian. Click on this tweet:

https://twitter.com/Ryabinskiy/status/8 ... 8958825472

The only thing I see is Ryabinskiy beïng right, not anything you suggest?

What it says in Russian is that Doc Goodman's Las Vegas crew claimed to have found in sample B an infinitesimal amount of an inconsequential drug called Ostarine, whereas an independent laboratory in Switzerland didn't find anything.

[Rob3_142]

Don't be so ignorant and learn the facts... I'm NOT taking Povetkin's or Ryabinsky's word for anything.. I'm taking the word of WADA, VADA and the WBC and they're western entities who were backed into a corner and forced to admit Povetkin wasn't guilty of taking Meldonium after it was banned.

I'm taking Don Catlin's word for it because he's one of the top experts in the world on PEDs and he's an American -- that Meldonium isn't a PED

The facts are there for any intelligent person to check.. After months of "investigation" Povetkin was found guiltless of taking Medonium after it was banned.. The Wilder fight did NOT need to be postponed or killed.. The Ostarine test is fishy as Hell because they claim they found a fraction of a nanogram of the PED, which again was perfectly legal to take well into this century.

Two Russian promotions killed hours before the fights -- after Ryabinsky outbid American promoters for those fights.

Once again, I will reiterate that I acknowledge and respect the final decision made by VADA, WADA and the WBC over the ruling of Meldonium. I do not accept that the drug is not performance enhancing. After reading the literature, I have concluded that Meldonium definitely promotes physiological changes in the body which could, and probably do result in increases in physiological performances. I agree with Don Catlin's position that there is no evidence to support that Meldonium is performance enhancing, but only because insufficient studies have been done. I am confident that when these studies have been concluded that the results will show Meldonium is performance enhancing. This is my scientific opinion, and would accept any outcome.

As far as Ostarine goes, according to the WADA website, there is no minimum threshold, and any trace is sufficient for a positive test. Samples A and B both come back positive, so as a result failed test and correctly banned (albeit only with the WBC currently).

There should be a minimum concentration of Ostarine, even if it's a nanogram, which is an amount that can't possibly do anything to anyone and Povetkin had 1/10th of that.. You have a nonogram of arsenic in your urine sample but it's not going to do anything to you. The fact there isn't a minimum concentration smacks of corruption.. You have 3 foreign world champions in a year testing positive for Ostarine by VADA, and all claiming they never used it, but paying VADA and the WBC big fees to continue boxing.. Doesn't pass the smell test.

I think the question you want to ask is what any Ostarine is doing in Povetkin's system. Larger doses are metabolised over time leaving traces, thus explaining why small amounts still exist. Good cheaters cycle their drugs so that by the time competition comes around, there is no trace available to test.

[boxing_rocks]

Only if you speak Russian. Click on this tweet:

https://twitter.com/Ryabinskiy/status/8 ... 8958825472

The only thing I see is Ryabinskiy beïng right, not anything you suggest?

What it says in Russian is that Doc Goodman's Las Vegas crew claimed to have found in sample B an infinitesimal amount of an inconsequential drug called Ostarine, whereas an independent laboratory in Switzerland didn't find anything.

Right, and then people asked questions if those tests were taken the same day which Ryabinsky avoided to answer, while reacting to other replies.

[boxing_rocks]

Once again, I will reiterate that I acknowledge and respect the final decision made by VADA, WADA and the WBC over the ruling of Meldonium. I do not accept that the drug is not performance enhancing. After reading the literature, I have concluded that Meldonium definitely promotes physiological changes in the body which could, and probably do result in increases in physiological performances. I agree with Don Catlin's position that there is no evidence to support that Meldonium is performance enhancing, but only because insufficient studies have been done. I am confident that when these studies have been concluded that the results will show Meldonium is performance enhancing. This is my scientific opinion, and would accept any outcome.

As far as Ostarine goes, according to the WADA website, there is no minimum threshold, and any trace is sufficient for a positive test. Samples A and B both come back positive, so as a result failed test and correctly banned (albeit only with the WBC currently).

There should be a minimum concentration of Ostarine, even if it's a nanogram, which is an amount that can't possibly do anything to anyone and Povetkin had 1/10th of that.. You have a nonogram of arsenic in your urine sample but it's not going to do anything to you. The fact there isn't a minimum concentration smacks of corruption.. You have 3 foreign world champions in a year testing positive for Ostarine by VADA, and all claiming they never used it, but paying VADA and the WBC big fees to continue boxing.. Doesn't pass the smell test.

I think the question you want to ask is what any Ostarine is doing in Povetkin's system. Larger doses are metabolised over time leaving traces, thus explaining why small amounts still exist. Good cheaters cycle their drugs so that by the time competition comes around, there is no trace available to test.

If Povetkin didn't do cycling well, then how come his tests BOTH BEFORE AND AFTER the failed test were clean? It almost looks like contamination (accidental or deliberate).

[asdfjkl]

The only thing I see is Ryabinskiy beïng right, not anything you suggest?

What it says in Russian is that Doc Goodman's Las Vegas crew claimed to have found in sample B an infinitesimal amount of an inconsequential drug called Ostarine, whereas an independent laboratory in Switzerland didn't find anything.

Right, and then people asked questions if those tests were taken the same day which Ryabinsky avoided to answer, while reacting to other replies.

I still don't see that anywere, but even if, then that wouldn't be that odd since the sample had to travel from America to Switzerland wouldn't it?

[Rob3_142]

I'm not ignoring or glossing over anything he's saying. I'm already well aware of the facts he was pointing out (except the statements made by Catlin). But they're still not relevant as Meldonium is not the drug in question, Ostarine is.

The only reason Meldonium is no longer being taken is because it is banned. If it was not banned, it would still be widely used. This is my question, why was the drug used as so for such a long time by so many people if it has absolutely no benefits?

I think you are glossing over what he said and trying to cherry pick, like why was Povetkin suddenly multi tested right before his fight with Wilder - and Wilder had no intention of fighting him because he never even went to Russia to train for the fight - while other fighters fail their drug test and no problema - and some fighters just outright refuse to take it - which is what Russian athletes should be doing - and again no problema. As for Ostarine it was supposedly found but in such miniscule amount that it is meaningless because that stuff is also found in small amounts in food. As for why meldonium was used for so long by so many people if it has no benefits - go into a health food store or health food section of a supermarket or look at the ads in bodybuilding magazines and look at all the popular supplements they are advertising, ordinary vitamin pills too, fish oil capsules, whatever - most of them have absolutely no benefits either, but people have been taking them for years - and many if fact do more harm than good. Even if you stuff yourself with all the real powerful steroids - none of which anyone even claims to have found on Povetkin - that you can get your paws on it won't turn you into a heavyweight champ or world class athlete.

I'd like to see real drug control in sports, but administered fairly - not by some sheister Las Vegas doctor - and focusing on the strong steroids like the crap that bodybuilders and wrasslers use - and quite possibly the big name in crowd in boxing that don't get played by this hoax - and not on minor supplements.

The facts are that Meldonium was placed on the WADA banned substances list on 1 January 2016, but because of the nature of Meldonium and the little known excretion information at the time, WADA established a 'no fault' for samples collected between March and September 2016 that were of the concentration of 1 microgram per mL. During these ongoing excretion studies athletes were given two options; 1) The athlete can choose to serve a provisional retrospective ban which will be reduced from any future ban (pending the results of excretion studies), or 2) The athlete can continue to compete as normal, however if it is later established based on the new research that the athlete took Meldonium after 1 January 2016, the athlete would be penalised accordingly.

The 1 microgram per mL is purely a temporary guideline while the appropriate studies are conducted. I would speculate that once these studies are completed there will be a blanket ban on Meldonium with a zero threshold. I personally think, especially when considering the incredibly short half life of Meldonium, that any amount found in the system 5 months after the ban was implemented was highly likely to have been ingested after the new year. In fact he even indicated that he consumed the Meldonium in August/September during altitude training. Meldonium has a half life of 4-6 hours. This means every 4-6 hours, the body metabolises the amount by half. Theoretically, based on this model, this means that the substance never actually completely leaves the body. But if you was to double 0.070 microgram's every 6 hours, by the time you reach the end of the month, you probably have kilo's of the stuff. I appreciate that the appropriate studies need to be done, but that is incredibly conservative by WADA.

As far as Wilder's intention to fight Povetkin, he was in his second training camp in Sheffield a week ahead of the fight, and whether he wanted to be in Russia or not, I believe he fully intended to follow through with the fight. As far as the continuous testing which Povetkin underwent, a VADA CBP specific testing protocol was put in place for one year after the Meldonium test. I don't personally know the specifics of the protocol.

You cannot compare Meldonium to cod liver oil or vitamin C tablets. These are naturally occurring vitamins and minerals which are consumed to maintain a healthy body. Meldonium is a synthesised substance designed specifically to help people suffering from heart conditions, which there are prescribed physiological effects such as increased recovery, decrease in fatigue, and changes in metabolism. There is a reason why you are not the person deciding what does and does not go on these lists. One of those things is your lack of a degree in chemistry or pharmacology.

All I can say, taking into consideration all of the facts, Povetkin's case for innocence is weak. Even if he gets away with the Meldonium loop hole, the second test in 12 months only piles on the misery. Throw in the current circumstances with RusADA, and the lack of political culpability, and the general lack of integrity, how can anyone take Povetkin's or Ryabinski's word for it?

[Ilya Muromets]

Rob -
Won't you agree that if there is to be legitimate international drug testing it needs to be administered by a fair and neutral party, and certainly not by an outfit in of all places Las Vegas Nevada, which has the well deserved reputation of being the most corrupt city in the world, founded by organized crime, with its one and only reason for existing in the Mohave desert being to fleece the suckers at the gambling (gaming in Newspeak) tables and sports betting etc., run by a shady Doctor Margaret Goodman with all her connections, organized crime (everything there is), boxing, tv networks, etc.

Patient reviews of Doc Goodman...very nice, huh?

https://www.healthgrades.com/physician/ ... dman-3hb3y

[joe strong]

Povetkin fought guys like Richard Bango (17-1 at the time, with Nikolay Valuev as his only loss), Deontay Wilder had "Tye Cobb" as his best opponent, who has fought 8 guys before he fought Wilder, all 8 opponents combined had 4 wins in total, 3 of those were won by a guy who lost by KO in the 2nd round against a 154 pound guy one match after (who wasn't a top contender himself either). Also note that Tye Cobb lost against this guy:
http://boxrec.com/boxer/213192



That's quite a bit of difference you know?

You are actually going to bring up Richard Bango? The guy smashed 17 cans before Valuev. fighters with amazing records of 1-1, 4-7-1, 15-55, 14-101-5, 2-34, etc, etc... Hahaha...

Have you seen what kind of guys Wilder fought? I even selected his best opponent, an opponent that lost on KO in 2 rounds against an avarage 154 pound guy.

I never said Wilder fought tough competition early on. I own almost all of Wilder & Povetkin's fights in my HW fight collection. I'm well aware of who they fought because I have watched almost all their fights from the beginning of their careers to the present. Richard Bango isn't a great reference to early competition comparisons.

[Rob3_142]

Rob -
Won't you agree that if there is to be legitimate international drug testing it needs to be administered by a fair and neutral party, and certainly not by an outfit in of all places Las Vegas Nevada, which has the well deserved reputation of being the most corrupt city in the world, founded by organized crime, with its one and only reason for existing in the Mohave desert being to fleece the suckers at the gambling (gaming in Newspeak) tables and sports betting etc., run by a shady Doctor Margaret Goodman with all her connections, organized crime (everything there is), boxing, tv networks, etc.

Patient reviews of Doc Goodman...very nice, huh?

https://www.healthgrades.com/physician/ ... dman-3hb3y

Well VADA only uses labs that are accredited by WADA and WADA-certified sample collectors. I think if you're going to point fingers at VADA, than you have to point fingers at WADA too. If you're talking about VADA manipulating and falsifying results, then you're starting to step into the Russia State sponsored doping territory, which is by no means trivial.

I think if you're basing the legitimacy of the testing results supplied by VADA purely on the reputation of Victor Conte (who's involvement with VADA is extremely limited at the very most), then you have to assume, purely on reputation, that the majority of Russian athletes are doping, of which Povetkin is one.

[Ilya Muromets]

Rob -
Won't you agree that if there is to be legitimate international drug testing it needs to be administered by a fair and neutral party, and certainly not by an outfit in of all places Las Vegas Nevada, which has the well deserved reputation of being the most corrupt city in the world, founded by organized crime, with its one and only reason for existing in the Mohave desert being to fleece the suckers at the gambling (gaming in Newspeak) tables and sports betting etc., run by a shady Doctor Margaret Goodman with all her connections, organized crime (everything there is), boxing, tv networks, etc.

Patient reviews of Doc Goodman...very nice, huh?

https://www.healthgrades.com/physician/ ... dman-3hb3y

Well VADA only uses labs that are accredited by WADA and WADA-certified sample collectors. I think if you're going to point fingers at VADA, than you have to point fingers at WADA too. If you're talking about VADA manipulating and falsifying results, then you're starting to step into the Russia State sponsored doping territory, which is by no means trivial.

I think if you're basing the legitimacy of the testing results supplied by VADA purely on the reputation of Victor Conte (who's involvement with VADA is extremely limited at the very most), then you have to assume, purely on reputation, that the majority of Russian athletes are doping, of which Povetkin is one.

I don't think there's "state sponsored doping" in Russia now as there was to a large extent in the old USSR days. All professional athletes are looking for an edge in their highly competitive world where if you fail you're a "bum" and out of work and if you succeed you are world famous and wealthy. Tyson Fury said all the top boxers are doping. Even high school athletes, and even younger too, are messing with whatever they can get their paws on. My big problem is that this is being selectively used as just another tool in boxing's politics of corruption.

[Kalan]

Once again, I will reiterate that I acknowledge and respect the final decision made by VADA, WADA and the WBC over the ruling of Meldonium. I do not accept that the drug is not performance enhancing. After reading the literature, I have concluded that Meldonium definitely promotes physiological changes in the body which could, and probably do result in increases in physiological performances. I agree with Don Catlin's position that there is no evidence to support that Meldonium is performance enhancing, but only because insufficient studies have been done. I am confident that when these studies have been concluded that the results will show Meldonium is performance enhancing. This is my scientific opinion, and would accept any outcome.

As far as Ostarine goes, according to the WADA website, there is no minimum threshold, and any trace is sufficient for a positive test. Samples A and B both come back positive, so as a result failed test and correctly banned (albeit only with the WBC currently).

There should be a minimum concentration of Ostarine, even if it's a nanogram, which is an amount that can't possibly do anything to anyone and Povetkin had 1/10th of that.. You have a nonogram of arsenic in your urine sample but it's not going to do anything to you. The fact there isn't a minimum concentration smacks of corruption.. You have 3 foreign world champions in a year testing positive for Ostarine by VADA, and all claiming they never used it, but paying VADA and the WBC big fees to continue boxing.. Doesn't pass the smell test.

I think the question you want to ask is what any Ostarine is doing in Povetkin's system. Larger doses are metabolised over time leaving traces, thus explaining why small amounts still exist. Good cheaters cycle their drugs so that by the time competition comes around, there is no trace available to test.

You can't time cycle a PED and be effective with it with random testing.. If you're taking Ostarine for any advantage for a boxing match it will show up as more than 1/10th of a nanogram in your tests.. There is nobody policing the police... Therefore if VADA claims to have found a 1/10 of a nanogram of Ostarine in a sample, there in no way for WADA or any other agency to prove VADA deliberately contaminated the test.. because such a small trace might test clear in any and all other tests.

[Rob3_142]

There should be a minimum concentration of Ostarine, even if it's a nanogram, which is an amount that can't possibly do anything to anyone and Povetkin had 1/10th of that.. You have a nonogram of arsenic in your urine sample but it's not going to do anything to you. The fact there isn't a minimum concentration smacks of corruption.. You have 3 foreign world champions in a year testing positive for Ostarine by VADA, and all claiming they never used it, but paying VADA and the WBC big fees to continue boxing.. Doesn't pass the smell test.

I think the question you want to ask is what any Ostarine is doing in Povetkin's system. Larger doses are metabolised over time leaving traces, thus explaining why small amounts still exist. Good cheaters cycle their drugs so that by the time competition comes around, there is no trace available to test.

You can't time cycle a PED and be effective with it with random testing.. If you're taking Ostarine for any advantage for a boxing match it will show up as more than 1/10th of a nanogram in your tests.. There is nobody policing the police... Therefore if VADA claims to have found a 1/10 of a nanogram of Ostarine in a sample, there in no way for WADA or any other agency to prove VADA deliberately contaminated the test.. because such a small trace might test clear in any and all other tests.

One thing I'll give you is that nobody is policing the police. But then that's the case with any hierarchy. Who polices the police that are policing the police? What would really be a trustworthy system?

[Rob3_142]

Rob -
Won't you agree that if there is to be legitimate international drug testing it needs to be administered by a fair and neutral party, and certainly not by an outfit in of all places Las Vegas Nevada, which has the well deserved reputation of being the most corrupt city in the world, founded by organized crime, with its one and only reason for existing in the Mohave desert being to fleece the suckers at the gambling (gaming in Newspeak) tables and sports betting etc., run by a shady Doctor Margaret Goodman with all her connections, organized crime (everything there is), boxing, tv networks, etc.

Patient reviews of Doc Goodman...very nice, huh?

https://www.healthgrades.com/physician/ ... dman-3hb3y

Well VADA only uses labs that are accredited by WADA and WADA-certified sample collectors. I think if you're going to point fingers at VADA, than you have to point fingers at WADA too. If you're talking about VADA manipulating and falsifying results, then you're starting to step into the Russia State sponsored doping territory, which is by no means trivial.

I think if you're basing the legitimacy of the testing results supplied by VADA purely on the reputation of Victor Conte (who's involvement with VADA is extremely limited at the very most), then you have to assume, purely on reputation, that the majority of Russian athletes are doping, of which Povetkin is one.

I don't think there's "state sponsored doping" in Russia now as there was to a large extent in the old USSR days. All professional athletes are looking for an edge in their highly competitive world where if you fail you're a "bum" and out of work and if you succeed you are world famous and wealthy. Tyson Fury said all the top boxers are doping. Even high school athletes, and even younger too, are messing with whatever they can get their paws on. My big problem is that this is being selectively used as just another tool in boxing's politics of corruption.

I think it is best you do a little bit of reading up on the subject of state doping in Russia, rather than just turning a blind eye to it. The government has already accepted that there are massive flaws in the system, with some officials admitting the offences, which even includes a few Russian whistle blowers. There's has been a comprehensive report compiled by Dick Pound which identifies the offences in great detail.

[Kalan]

I think the question you want to ask is what any Ostarine is doing in Povetkin's system. Larger doses are metabolised over time leaving traces, thus explaining why small amounts still exist. Good cheaters cycle their drugs so that by the time competition comes around, there is no trace available to test.

You can't time cycle a PED and be effective with it with random testing.. If you're taking Ostarine for any advantage for a boxing match it will show up as more than 1/10th of a nanogram in your tests.. There is nobody policing the police... Therefore if VADA claims to have found a 1/10 of a nanogram of Ostarine in a sample, there in no way for WADA or any other agency to prove VADA deliberately contaminated the test.. because such a small trace might test clear in any and all other tests.

One thing I'll give you is that nobody is policing the police. But then that's the case with any hierarchy. Who polices the police that are policing the police? What would really be a trustworthy system?

There is no system that is beyond corruption, but VADA stinks of corruption... They deliberately misrepresented Povetkin's PED tests for the Wilder fight for instance -- and along with the corrupt WBC they killed the fight... They may use WADA certified labs and collectors -- but it's 10 times easier to get certified as a sample collector than it is for an attorney to pass the bar exam for instance... and dishonest shyster lawyers are thick as fleas.