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thechump wrote:

Horse wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Definitely

Credit should be given to those who have achieved something, rather than those that people think looked pretty good.

Fury is leagues above Mason.

How can someone comment on boxing when all they know is tyson fury? Its like commenting on golf and all u know is tiger woods,horse do everyone a favour mate and fvck off cause u know fvck all about boxing

thechump wrote:

Boxerbeetle wrote:

thechump wrote: Fury vs lewis = lewis by k.o
Fury vs bruno = bruno by k.o
Fury vs mason = mason by k.o
Fury vs herbie hide = hide points
Fury vs cooper= fury by k.o
Fury vs Henry akinwande = points win fury
Fury vs joe bugner= bugner points
Fury vs julius francis= fury k.o
Fury vs prime danny williams = williams by k.o
Fury vs joshua =joshua devastating k.o

So 2 of the hardest punching heavyweights ever, Lewis & Bruno, beat Fury by ko, but Joshua beats Fury by devastating ko? Why the difference?

Hardest punching heavyweights ever? Where do u get that info from or is it just your opinion?

Not the hardest punching heavyweights ever. But certainly up there. Obviously it is just my opinion having followed both of their careers closely, and I'd be interested to hear other people's views if they disagree.

Lewis fits that description, Bruno not so much.

Lewis punches harder than Joshua ever will

Horse wrote:

BitPlayer wrote:It would be different if Fury only did a little more, but you're comparing someone a lineal and unified champion to someone who won a vacant British title and defended once against someone with 3 losses including someone called Tony Tricker. Forget Fury, Chisora has achieved levels above Mason.

David Price is more of a comparison for Gary Mason.

I suppose you have to understand what you're looking at before you can place Gary Mason.

Comparing Chisora and Price to him makes you look pretty stupid.

Tuan_Jim wrote:

Horse wrote:

BitPlayer wrote:It would be different if Fury only did a little more, but you're comparing someone a lineal and unified champion to someone who won a vacant British title and defended once against someone with 3 losses including someone called Tony Tricker. Forget Fury, Chisora has achieved levels above Mason.

David Price is more of a comparison for Gary Mason.

I suppose you have to understand what you're looking at before you can place Gary Mason.

Comparing Chisora and Price to him makes you look pretty stupid.

It's easier to just comment off the data base. A quick look at Bert Cooper's record won't tell you he'd put fury in the hospital on his best day.

calmdown wrote:
Christ, one decent win and he's turned into a 31 stone Ray Robinson, give it a rest. Was getting his ears boxed off and floored by Steve Cunningham.

But that was before he IMPWOOOOVED!

Or just, you know, looked the same but against slightly worse guys.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:It's easier to just comment off the data base. A quick look at Bert Cooper's record won't tell you he'd put fury in the hospital on his best day.

It wouldn't tell me that largely because he wouldn't.

Riddick Blowe wrote:But that was before he IMPWOOOOVED!

Or just, you know, looked the same but against slightly worse guys.

Has Joshua not "IMPWOOOOVED" since his fight with Whyte then?

Horse wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:It's easier to just comment off the data base. A quick look at Bert Cooper's record won't tell you he'd put fury in the hospital on his best day.

It wouldn't tell me that largely because he wouldn't.

What are you talking about, what Saad presented there was some solid unrefutable opinion.

Tuan_Jim wrote:

Horse wrote:

BitPlayer wrote:It would be different if Fury only did a little more, but you're comparing someone a lineal and unified champion to someone who won a vacant British title and defended once against someone with 3 losses including someone called Tony Tricker. Forget Fury, Chisora has achieved levels above Mason.

David Price is more of a comparison for Gary Mason.

I suppose you have to understand what you're looking at before you can place Gary Mason.

Comparing Chisora and Price to him makes you look pretty stupid.

comparing Mason to Price is the most bizarre thing ive ever heard unless your a crack addict.

BitPlayer wrote:

Horse wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:It's easier to just comment off the data base. A quick look at Bert Cooper's record won't tell you he'd put fury in the hospital on his best day.

It wouldn't tell me that largely because he wouldn't.

What are you talking about, what Saad presented there was some solid unrefutable opinion.

Lol. The Cooper that went to war with Holy would have cleaned Fury's clock.

Riddick Blowe wrote:

BitPlayer wrote:

Horse wrote:It wouldn't tell me that largely because he wouldn't.

What are you talking about, what Saad presented there was some solid unrefutable opinion.

Lol. The Cooper that went to war with Holy would have cleaned Fury's clock.

The only loss on Richie Melito record was to Bert Cooper. Richie was 27-1 the interesting thing about Melito though is that he only ever got past round 5 on 2 occasions in his career.

None of us know anything for sure.

Boxerbeetle wrote:

thechump wrote:

Boxerbeetle wrote:
So 2 of the hardest punching heavyweights ever, Lewis & Bruno, beat Fury by ko, but Joshua beats Fury by devastating ko? Why the difference?

Hardest punching heavyweights ever? Where do u get that info from or is it just your opinion?

Not the hardest punching heavyweights ever. But certainly up there. Obviously it is just my opinion having followed both of their careers closely, and I'd be interested to hear other people's views if they disagree.

Lewis and joshua would k.o him viciously were as bruno would hurt him but not like a lewis or joshua,like u say its all about opinions

Mason was legit. Fury would've boxed his massive noggin off for a couple of rounds, but Gary was about as game as they come, and he'd still have been there in the middle rounds. If Fury then tired, Mason'd start finding ways inside to put himself to work.

That's a fight that I definitely imagine swinging from Fury to Mason as it goes on, and if we're not talking about prime Fury then I think he'd be worn down for a TKO. Else points, with Mason as the favourite unless Fury could build up enough of an early lead to run away with.

What are some good Mason fights to watch to get an idea of his abilities and style? His opponents seem fairly non-descript to me, so I'm not sure what to watch aside from the Lewis fight.

What are his best three wins, and was his fight with journeyman Everett Martin really as competitive as the score suggests?

Mason was a solid fighter, punched hard and very tough. He lacked mobility though and speed.

I feel he is a little over rated when people look back at his career. Tough man though, no doubting that.

Would he have beaten Fury? Probably not.

BitPlayer wrote:

stujones wrote:

dirk2686 wrote:There are two ways of looking at the Fury Wlad fight. People who like Fury tend to focus on the result - he went away from home and did the job against an elite level, long term champion in an upset win. People who don't like Fury tend to focus on the performance, the lack of punches thrown, the very low amount landed, the lack of action.

Where the jealousy comes in is that Fury is obviously such a poorly regarded character that the reaction to the win seems overly harsh. Haye became a bit of a hero when he went away and scored a low-action, points result against Valuev, (clearly a weaker opponent than Wlad.) Fury does the same and becomes a laughing stock.

I can see both sides, but I don't think results are the be all and end all.

Good point re Haye - again people seem to have forgotton that this fight was again very close and could have gone either way..... in fact, I thought Valuev won.

The key difference though I think are two fold.
1) The almost KD that Haye scored.... It was a case of David almost slaying Goliath - Fury didn't do that to the "chinny" Klitchsko.
2) Value, IMO wrongly, was perceived as being bad for boxing - a bad champion, a champion that shouldn't have got a decision vs Holyfield.... any win that knocked him out of the equation was perceived as a positive for the sport.... Not sure if the same can be said for Wlad, in fact it was rather sad to see father time catch up with a very good champion.

People thought that Haye was going to struggle against Valuev cos of the size factor.... but if (even if it is not legitimate) he wins then it lights up the heavyweight era and he will have more success against smaller heavyweights.

But that all falls apart when you consider Valuev, like you said, struggled with 46 year old Holyfield, who weighed in a few pounds less than Haye did.

Yes, I know what you are saying but I am talking more the perception of the "average" fan that did not even know Valuev fought Holyfield.... and even if they did they wanted Haye to win, VIA ANY MEANS (even a gift of a decision), because Valuev was a black mark on the sport.

So I think we had a lot of interest from non-boxing fans because Valuev was a bit of a freak show and the size difference.... then we had interest from more casual boxing fans who knew that Holyfield gave him trouble and wanted Haye to beat the undeserving champion and "reignite" the division.

Klitchsko was neither a freak show or a non-deserving champion. He was fighting the best out there and seemed to be making more risks in recent years.... fighting Jennings in the states and fighting someone of Pulev's callibre. I don't think it quite had the same "good guy vs bad guy" image that Haye and Valuev got.... and quite possibly lacked the same appeal to the non-boxing fans. I don't think many in Britain particularly "willed" Fury to win, cos Klitchsko is an all round good egg and had been a great champion.... whereas Haye was "willed" to win beforehand, that the performance became secondary.

I think Joshua is in much the same situation now.... performance is going to be very important vs Klitchsko.

Oiky wrote:Lewis punches harder than Joshua ever will

Agreed. He was a monstrous puncher

crusader wrote:What are some good Mason fights to watch to get an idea of his abilities and style? His opponents seem fairly non-descript to me, so I'm not sure what to watch aside from the Lewis fight.

What are his best three wins, and was his fight with journeyman Everett Martin really as competitive as the score suggests?

Mason won every round as I recall and was one of very, very few men to deck Bigfoot with a punch to the head.

Tuan_Jim wrote:

crusader wrote:What are some good Mason fights to watch to get an idea of his abilities and style? His opponents seem fairly non-descript to me, so I'm not sure what to watch aside from the Lewis fight.

What are his best three wins, and was his fight with journeyman Everett Martin really as competitive as the score suggests?

Mason won every round as I recall and was one of very, very few men to deck Bigfoot with a punch to the head.

Bigfoot beat Spoon, who was far greater than Wlad, much less the scrub Vitali.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Tuan_Jim wrote:

crusader wrote:What are some good Mason fights to watch to get an idea of his abilities and style? His opponents seem fairly non-descript to me, so I'm not sure what to watch aside from the Lewis fight.

What are his best three wins, and was his fight with journeyman Everett Martin really as competitive as the score suggests?

Mason won every round as I recall and was one of very, very few men to deck Bigfoot with a punch to the head.

Bigfoot beat Spoon, who was far greater than Wlad, much less the scrub Vitali.

It's hard to think of an 80s heavyweight champ who wouldn't have beaten everyone Wlad defended against in this 10 year reign if dreck that has somehow established him as a Great.

Tuan_Jim wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Tuan_Jim wrote:
Mason won every round as I recall and was one of very, very few men to deck Bigfoot with a punch to the head.

Bigfoot beat Spoon, who was far greater than Wlad, much less the scrub Vitali.

It's hard to think of an 80s heavyweight champ who wouldn't have beaten everyone Wlad defended against in this 10 year reign if dreck that has somehow established him as a Great.

I just wish he would have met even a post prime Rahman.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Tuan_Jim wrote:

crusader wrote:What are some good Mason fights to watch to get an idea of his abilities and style? His opponents seem fairly non-descript to me, so I'm not sure what to watch aside from the Lewis fight.

What are his best three wins, and was his fight with journeyman Everett Martin really as competitive as the score suggests?

Mason won every round as I recall and was one of very, very few men to deck Bigfoot with a punch to the head.

Bigfoot beat Spoon, who was far greater than Wlad, much less the scrub Vitali.

I actually think Vitali is a much better fighter than Wlad. Much more aggressive, far more punches, better chin, and better fighting instincts.