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punchoutsb wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:
Wasn't the crux of the argument that he wouldn't be rated by any organizations so he'd be stuck in Russia fighting without hopes of getting a title shot? He'll be next in line for Joseph Parker come July.

My thoughts were he'll never be relevant again. If the WBO international is an eliminator for a Parker fight than I'm wrong. I don't think it is.

The Inter-Continental is the WBO's "second" world title. Fury/Kasi was for this belt and Fury secured a mandatory position because of it. Can you think of another reason for the WBO to strip the title from Tom Schwarz if they're not planning on using it as a springboard to get Povetkin/Parker made?

I really can't be bothered to keep up with the alphabet org's stuff now. Those titles secure rankings, I know that, if it makes him a mandatory than I wouldn't be surprised. Ryabinsky spends major cash, nice sanctioning fees.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
My thoughts were he'll never be relevant again. If the WBO international is an eliminator for a Parker fight than I'm wrong. I don't think it is.

The Inter-Continental is the WBO's "second" world title. Fury/Kasi was for this belt and Fury secured a mandatory position because of it. Can you think of another reason for the WBO to strip the title from Tom Schwarz if they're not planning on using it as a springboard to get Povetkin/Parker made?

I really can't be bothered to keep up with the alphabet org's stuff now. Those titles secure rankings, I know that, if it makes him a mandatory than I wouldn't be surprised. Ryabinsky spends major cash, nice sanctioning fees.

Hit the nail on the head. Where there's a dollar to be had, promoters and sanctioning orgs are always close by!

punchoutsb wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:
Wasn't the crux of the argument that he wouldn't be rated by any organizations so he'd be stuck in Russia fighting without hopes of getting a title shot? He'll be next in line for Joseph Parker come July.

My thoughts were he'll never be relevant again. If the WBO international is an eliminator for a Parker fight than I'm wrong. I don't think it is.

The Inter-Continental is the WBO's "second" world title. Fury/Kasi was for this belt and Fury secured a mandatory position because of it. Can you think of another reason for the WBO to strip the title from Tom Schwarz if they're not planning on using it as a springboard to get Povetkin/Parker made?

Who is Tom Schwarz and how did he get that belt?

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:Under 1 is naturally impossible, he most likely added a pile of epitestosteron to his own body, to make the testosteron level look normal again, but putted in a bit too much.

No, T/E ratios less than 1:1 are not naturally impossible.

This guy is amazing, 1:1 is normal/average.

Nope, it's not, about 5% of the athletes out there has a ratio of over 1:4, but under 1:1 is usually a doper and needs further testing, Mayweather needed further testing, but never got that.

boxing_rocks wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
My thoughts were he'll never be relevant again. If the WBO international is an eliminator for a Parker fight than I'm wrong. I don't think it is.

The Inter-Continental is the WBO's "second" world title. Fury/Kasi was for this belt and Fury secured a mandatory position because of it. Can you think of another reason for the WBO to strip the title from Tom Schwarz if they're not planning on using it as a springboard to get Povetkin/Parker made?

Who is Tom Schwarz and how did he get that belt?

I wish there were a website where you could check these things

http://boxrec.com/boxer/655566

asdfjkl wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:
No, T/E ratios less than 1:1 are not naturally impossible.

This guy is amazing, 1:1 is normal/average.

Nope, it's not, about 5% of the athletes out there has a ratio of over 1:4, but under 1:1 is usually a doper and needs further testing, Mayweather needed further testing, but never got that.

1:1 is average. When numbers are involved, deviations are expected. Can you not read the statement "T/E RATIO INTERPRETATION NORMAL" on the photos within your own post?

punchoutsb wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
This guy is amazing, 1:1 is normal/average.

Nope, it's not, about 5% of the athletes out there has a ratio of over 1:4, but under 1:1 is usually a doper and needs further testing, Mayweather needed further testing, but never got that.

1:1 is average. When numbers are involved, deviations are expected. Can you not read the statement "T/E RATIO INTERPRETATION NORMAL" on the photos within your own post?

Yea, they wrote normal because they are uneducated retards from America who only look at the fact if it's above 4, or perhaps 6 at the time, or not. Somehow Mayweather most likely added both substances to his body and that's why the ratio could become normal again, while in reality he got an abnormal high amount of both substances in his body.

asdfjkl wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: Nope, it's not, about 5% of the athletes out there has a ratio of over 1:4, but under 1:1 is usually a doper and needs further testing, Mayweather needed further testing, but never got that.

1:1 is average. When numbers are involved, deviations are expected. Can you not read the statement "T/E RATIO INTERPRETATION NORMAL" on the photos within your own post?

Yea, they wrote normal because they are uneducated retards from America who only look at the fact if it's above 4, or perhaps 6 at the time, or not. Somehow Mayweather most likely added both substances to his body and that's why the ratio could become normal again, while in reality he got an abnormal high amount of both substances in his body.

Please don't refer to someone as uneducated when you believe that a 0.8 T/E ratio is impossible. Instead, do a little research and you will find that you're incorrect. Don't be afraid of learning, it's a really great thing!

punchoutsb wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:
1:1 is average. When numbers are involved, deviations are expected. Can you not read the statement "T/E RATIO INTERPRETATION NORMAL" on the photos within your own post?

Yea, they wrote normal because they are uneducated retards from America who only look at the fact if it's above 4, or perhaps 6 at the time, or not. Somehow Mayweather most likely added both substances to his body and that's why the ratio could become normal again, while in reality he got an abnormal high amount of both substances in his body.

Please don't refer to someone as uneducated when you believe that a 0.8 T/E ratio is impossible. Instead, do a little research and you will find that you're incorrect. Don't be afraid of learning, it's a really great thing!

0.69 and it's very unlikely, especially for a pro boxer and requires additional testing, which he simply never got. About 5% got over a 1:4 ratio and about 1% even 1:6.

asdfjkl wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: Yea, they wrote normal because they are uneducated retards from America who only look at the fact if it's above 4, or perhaps 6 at the time, or not. Somehow Mayweather most likely added both substances to his body and that's why the ratio could become normal again, while in reality he got an abnormal high amount of both substances in his body.

Please don't refer to someone as uneducated when you believe that a 0.8 T/E ratio is impossible. Instead, do a little research and you will find that you're incorrect. Don't be afraid of learning, it's a really great thing!

0.69 and it's very unlikely, especially for a pro boxer and requires additional testing, which he simply never got. About 5% got over a 1:4 ratio and about 1% even 1:6.

Maybe he is a transvestite ?

asdfjkl wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: Yea, they wrote normal because they are uneducated retards from America who only look at the fact if it's above 4, or perhaps 6 at the time, or not. Somehow Mayweather most likely added both substances to his body and that's why the ratio could become normal again, while in reality he got an abnormal high amount of both substances in his body.

Please don't refer to someone as uneducated when you believe that a 0.8 T/E ratio is impossible. Instead, do a little research and you will find that you're incorrect. Don't be afraid of learning, it's a really great thing!

0.69 and it's very unlikely, especially for a pro boxer and requires additional testing, which he simply never got. About 5% got over a 1:4 ratio and about 1% even 1:6.

First of all, you're flipping the ratios; the cutoffs are 4:1, not 1:4. These tests are primarily looking for the potential for exogenous sources of testosterone. If the actual drugs they are testing are not found in the system(and the papers you provided show no drugs were found), an *elevated* T/E ratio will still draw some red flags. A ratio below 1:1 will almost never require additional testing because it is not a clear sign of anything, especially when the blood concentration of both are as low as they are in the papers your provided. You're trying to suggest that Floyd took large amounts of epitestosterone to counter balance the fact that he'd taken testosterone and yet both concentrations are low. There is nothing wrong with Floyd's test. There is simply something wrong with your knowledge on the subject matter.

punchoutsb wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:
Please don't refer to someone as uneducated when you believe that a 0.8 T/E ratio is impossible. Instead, do a little research and you will find that you're incorrect. Don't be afraid of learning, it's a really great thing!

0.69 and it's very unlikely, especially for a pro boxer and requires additional testing, which he simply never got. About 5% got over a 1:4 ratio and about 1% even 1:6.

First of all, you're flipping the ratios; the cutoffs are 4:1, not 1:4. These tests are primarily looking for the potential for exogenous sources of testosterone. If the actual drugs they are testing are not found in the system(and the papers you provided show no drugs were found), an *elevated* T/E ratio will still draw some red flags. A ratio below 1:1 will almost never require additional testing because it is not a clear sign of anything, especially when the blood concentration of both are as low as they are in the papers your provided. You're trying to suggest that Floyd took large amounts of epitestosterone to counter balance the fact that he'd taken testosterone and yet both concentrations are low. There is nothing wrong with Floyd's test. There is simply something wrong with your knowledge on the subject matter.

Mayweather’s testosterone-to-epitestosterone ratio was unusually low, which is sometimes a sign that synthetic epitestosterone has been administered to cover up the use of synthetic testosterone. I'm not saying that he has done, but you certainly can't prove me wrong without the required additional tests and you don't even need to be that educated to realise. I'm sorry for the ratio mix up from 1:4 instead of 4:1.

asdfjkl wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: 0.69 and it's very unlikely, especially for a pro boxer and requires additional testing, which he simply never got. About 5% got over a 1:4 ratio and about 1% even 1:6.

First of all, you're flipping the ratios; the cutoffs are 4:1, not 1:4. These tests are primarily looking for the potential for exogenous sources of testosterone. If the actual drugs they are testing are not found in the system(and the papers you provided show no drugs were found), an *elevated* T/E ratio will still draw some red flags. A ratio below 1:1 will almost never require additional testing because it is not a clear sign of anything, especially when the blood concentration of both are as low as they are in the papers your provided. You're trying to suggest that Floyd took large amounts of epitestosterone to counter balance the fact that he'd taken testosterone and yet both concentrations are low. There is nothing wrong with Floyd's test. There is simply something wrong with your knowledge on the subject matter.

Mayweather’s testosterone-to-epitestosterone ratio was unusually low, which is sometimes a sign that synthetic epitestosterone has been administered to cover up the use of synthetic testosterone. I'm not saying that he has done, but you certainly can't prove me wrong without the required additional tests and you don't even need to be that educated to realise. I'm sorry for the ratio mix up from 1:4 instead of 4:1.

You are correct that epitest can be taken to try and even out levels, but in this case Floyd's blood concentration of testosterone isn't anywhere near high enough to suggest that is the case.

I'm a pretty firm believer that ALL (we're talking 90%) professional athletes take some form of PED's. They'd be stupid not to with all the money available in sports today. My issue with your statements are not that I think Floyd is a clean athlete, it's that your reasonings are flawed.

punchoutsb wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:
First of all, you're flipping the ratios; the cutoffs are 4:1, not 1:4. These tests are primarily looking for the potential for exogenous sources of testosterone. If the actual drugs they are testing are not found in the system(and the papers you provided show no drugs were found), an *elevated* T/E ratio will still draw some red flags. A ratio below 1:1 will almost never require additional testing because it is not a clear sign of anything, especially when the blood concentration of both are as low as they are in the papers your provided. You're trying to suggest that Floyd took large amounts of epitestosterone to counter balance the fact that he'd taken testosterone and yet both concentrations are low. There is nothing wrong with Floyd's test. There is simply something wrong with your knowledge on the subject matter.

Mayweather’s testosterone-to-epitestosterone ratio was unusually low, which is sometimes a sign that synthetic epitestosterone has been administered to cover up the use of synthetic testosterone. I'm not saying that he has done, but you certainly can't prove me wrong without the required additional tests and you don't even need to be that educated to realise. I'm sorry for the ratio mix up from 1:4 instead of 4:1.

You are correct that epitest can be taken to try and even out levels, but in this case Floyd's blood concentration of testosterone isn't anywhere near high enough to suggest that is the case.

I'm a pretty firm believer that ALL (we're talking 90%) professional athletes take some form of PED's. They'd be stupid not to with all the money available in sports today. My issue with your statements are not that I think Floyd is a clean athlete, it's that your reasonings are flawed.

Good post.

punchoutsb wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:
First of all, you're flipping the ratios; the cutoffs are 4:1, not 1:4. These tests are primarily looking for the potential for exogenous sources of testosterone. If the actual drugs they are testing are not found in the system(and the papers you provided show no drugs were found), an *elevated* T/E ratio will still draw some red flags. A ratio below 1:1 will almost never require additional testing because it is not a clear sign of anything, especially when the blood concentration of both are as low as they are in the papers your provided. You're trying to suggest that Floyd took large amounts of epitestosterone to counter balance the fact that he'd taken testosterone and yet both concentrations are low. There is nothing wrong with Floyd's test. There is simply something wrong with your knowledge on the subject matter.

Mayweather’s testosterone-to-epitestosterone ratio was unusually low, which is sometimes a sign that synthetic epitestosterone has been administered to cover up the use of synthetic testosterone. I'm not saying that he has done, but you certainly can't prove me wrong without the required additional tests and you don't even need to be that educated to realise. I'm sorry for the ratio mix up from 1:4 instead of 4:1.

You are correct that epitest can be taken to try and even out levels, but in this case Floyd's blood concentration of testosterone isn't anywhere near high enough to suggest that is the case.

I'm a pretty firm believer that ALL (we're talking 90%) professional athletes take some form of PED's. They'd be stupid not to with all the money available in sports today. My issue with your statements are not that I think Floyd is a clean athlete, it's that your reasonings are flawed.

punchoutsb wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:
First of all, you're flipping the ratios; the cutoffs are 4:1, not 1:4. These tests are primarily looking for the potential for exogenous sources of testosterone. If the actual drugs they are testing are not found in the system(and the papers you provided show no drugs were found), an *elevated* T/E ratio will still draw some red flags. A ratio below 1:1 will almost never require additional testing because it is not a clear sign of anything, especially when the blood concentration of both are as low as they are in the papers your provided. You're trying to suggest that Floyd took large amounts of epitestosterone to counter balance the fact that he'd taken testosterone and yet both concentrations are low. There is nothing wrong with Floyd's test. There is simply something wrong with your knowledge on the subject matter.

Mayweather’s testosterone-to-epitestosterone ratio was unusually low, which is sometimes a sign that synthetic epitestosterone has been administered to cover up the use of synthetic testosterone. I'm not saying that he has done, but you certainly can't prove me wrong without the required additional tests and you don't even need to be that educated to realise. I'm sorry for the ratio mix up from 1:4 instead of 4:1.

You are correct that epitest can be taken to try and even out levels, but in this case Floyd's blood concentration of testosterone isn't anywhere near high enough to suggest that is the case.

I'm a pretty firm believer that ALL (we're talking 90%) professional athletes take some form of PED's. They'd be stupid not to with all the money available in sports today. My issue with your statements are not that I think Floyd is a clean athlete, it's that your reasonings are flawed.

Then you're wrong lol, he simply should have had additional tests, especially since he isn't a pod using Korean, but a pro boxer instead.

asdfjkl wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:Mayweather’s testosterone-to-epitestosterone ratio was unusually low, which is sometimes a sign that synthetic epitestosterone has been administered to cover up the use of synthetic testosterone. I'm not saying that he has done, but you certainly can't prove me wrong without the required additional tests and you don't even need to be that educated to realise. I'm sorry for the ratio mix up from 1:4 instead of 4:1.

You are correct that epitest can be taken to try and even out levels, but in this case Floyd's blood concentration of testosterone isn't anywhere near high enough to suggest that is the case.

I'm a pretty firm believer that ALL (we're talking 90%) professional athletes take some form of PED's. They'd be stupid not to with all the money available in sports today. My issue with your statements are not that I think Floyd is a clean athlete, it's that your reasonings are flawed.

Then you're wrong lol, he simply should have had additional tests, especially since he isn't a pod using Korean, but a pro boxer instead.

I'll ask you now to prove me wrong then. Because everything from basic biology, chemistry, and the very papers you posted support my position.

I'm afraid you may be stupid. Very stupid. Only a very stupid person would continue to try and argue an opinion in the face of overwhelming scientific fact.

punchoutsb wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:
You are correct that epitest can be taken to try and even out levels, but in this case Floyd's blood concentration of testosterone isn't anywhere near high enough to suggest that is the case.

I'm a pretty firm believer that ALL (we're talking 90%) professional athletes take some form of PED's. They'd be stupid not to with all the money available in sports today. My issue with your statements are not that I think Floyd is a clean athlete, it's that your reasonings are flawed.

Then you're wrong lol, he simply should have had additional tests, especially since he isn't a pod using Korean, but a pro boxer instead.

I'll ask you now to prove me wrong then. Because everything from basic biology, chemistry, and the very papers you posted support my position.

I'm afraid you may be stupid. Very stupid. Only a very stupid person would continue to try and argue an opinion in the face of overwhelming scientific fact.

That's the whole point lol, there have never been done additional tests, or they have never been reveiled, so there is no way in proving either of us wrong and in the boxing world everybody is innocent till the opposite is proven, except for Povetkin ofcourse, he's guilty till the opposite is proven.

Somehow if the Americans test and American and simply refuse to do the complete test, it's pretty much logical that he had something to hide, and it isn't the only time Mayweather seems to have things to hide.

asdfjkl wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: Then you're wrong lol, he simply should have had additional tests, especially since he isn't a pod using Korean, but a pro boxer instead.

I'll ask you now to prove me wrong then. Because everything from basic biology, chemistry, and the very papers you posted support my position.

I'm afraid you may be stupid. Very stupid. Only a very stupid person would continue to try and argue an opinion in the face of overwhelming scientific fact.

That's the whole point lol, there have never been done additional tests, or they have never been reveiled, so there is no way in proving either of us wrong and in the boxing world everybody is innocent till the opposite is proven, except for Povetkin ofcourse, he's guilty till the opposite is proven.

Somehow if the Americans test and American and simply refuse to do the complete test, it's pretty much logical that he had something to hide, and it isn't the only time Mayweather seems to have things to hide.

No, that's not the whole point--there is NO point; you seem very confused on what a T/E test even is. There is no need for additional testing because there is nothing wrong with Floyd's numbers.

After erroneously suggesting that a T/E ratio of less that 1:1 is impossible naturally, you then suggest that Floyd has taken epitestosterone to try and balance out testosterone usage and yet his blood concentration of testosterone is actually low. Further testing, and I'm not sure what you want them to test since they have already tested for blood concentrations, ratios AND compounds would end up with the exact same results.

At the very best a ratio of less that 1:1 *could* suggest that an athlete messed with their own hormonal production at an earlier date by using exogenous sources of testosterone but the so called "additional tests" you keep calling for couldn't find that anyway since even a long lasting substance like a Nandrolone based compound would be undetectable after 18 months and a much more likely used substance like a test suspension is gone within 2 or 3 days.

Now please just stop. This has nothing to do with Americans, Povetkin, or anything except your own inability to accept the truth and admit that you are mistaken. It's OK to be wrong, that's how we learn. What's not OK is to continue to be wrong in the face of facts.

punchoutsb wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:
I'll ask you now to prove me wrong then. Because everything from basic biology, chemistry, and the very papers you posted support my position.

I'm afraid you may be stupid. Very stupid. Only a very stupid person would continue to try and argue an opinion in the face of overwhelming scientific fact.

That's the whole point lol, there have never been done additional tests, or they have never been reveiled, so there is no way in proving either of us wrong and in the boxing world everybody is innocent till the opposite is proven, except for Povetkin ofcourse, he's guilty till the opposite is proven.

Somehow if the Americans test and American and simply refuse to do the complete test, it's pretty much logical that he had something to hide, and it isn't the only time Mayweather seems to have things to hide.

No, that's not the whole point--there is NO point; you seem very confused on what a T/E test even is. There is no need for additional testing because there is nothing wrong with Floyd's numbers.

After erroneously suggesting that a T/E ratio of less that 1:1 is impossible naturally, you then suggest that Floyd has taken epitestosterone to try and balance out testosterone usage and yet his blood concentration of testosterone is actually low. Further testing, and I'm not sure what you want them to test since they have already tested for blood concentrations, ratios AND compounds would end up with the exact same results.

At the very best a ratio of less that 1:1 *could* suggest that an athlete messed with their own hormonal production at an earlier date by using exogenous sources of testosterone but the so called "additional tests" you keep calling for couldn't find that anyway since even a long lasting substance like a Nandrolone based compound would be undetectable after 18 months and a much more likely used substance like a test suspension is gone within 2 or 3 days.

Now please just stop. This has nothing to do with Americans, Povetkin, or anything except your own inability to accept the truth and admit that you are mistaken. It's OK to be wrong, that's how we learn. What's not OK is to continue to be wrong in the face of facts.

Having such a low ratio, especially since he's not a pod smoking Korean, is highly unlikely and you know it or should know it.
I'm not saying he's has used testosterone in these fights as well, but you can't prove me wrong with just these numbers. There's a fair chance he used it anyway.

This is like saying "he got to be honest, since he's a white guy!"

asdfjkl wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: That's the whole point lol, there have never been done additional tests, or they have never been reveiled, so there is no way in proving either of us wrong and in the boxing world everybody is innocent till the opposite is proven, except for Povetkin ofcourse, he's guilty till the opposite is proven.

Somehow if the Americans test and American and simply refuse to do the complete test, it's pretty much logical that he had something to hide, and it isn't the only time Mayweather seems to have things to hide.

No, that's not the whole point--there is NO point; you seem very confused on what a T/E test even is. There is no need for additional testing because there is nothing wrong with Floyd's numbers.

After erroneously suggesting that a T/E ratio of less that 1:1 is impossible naturally, you then suggest that Floyd has taken epitestosterone to try and balance out testosterone usage and yet his blood concentration of testosterone is actually low. Further testing, and I'm not sure what you want them to test since they have already tested for blood concentrations, ratios AND compounds would end up with the exact same results.

At the very best a ratio of less that 1:1 *could* suggest that an athlete messed with their own hormonal production at an earlier date by using exogenous sources of testosterone but the so called "additional tests" you keep calling for couldn't find that anyway since even a long lasting substance like a Nandrolone based compound would be undetectable after 18 months and a much more likely used substance like a test suspension is gone within 2 or 3 days.

Now please just stop. This has nothing to do with Americans, Povetkin, or anything except your own inability to accept the truth and admit that you are mistaken. It's OK to be wrong, that's how we learn. What's not OK is to continue to be wrong in the face of facts.

Having such a low ratio, especially since he's not a pod smoking Korean, is highly unlikely and you know it or should know it.
I'm not saying he's has used testosterone in these fights as well, but you can't prove me wrong with just these numbers. There's a fair chance he used it anyway.

This is like saying "he got to be honest, since he's a white guy!"

I have already proven you wrong multiple times. His testosterone concentration is not high so there is zero evidence he was stacking to normalize levels. End of story.

punchoutsb wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:
No, that's not the whole point--there is NO point; you seem very confused on what a T/E test even is. There is no need for additional testing because there is nothing wrong with Floyd's numbers.

After erroneously suggesting that a T/E ratio of less that 1:1 is impossible naturally, you then suggest that Floyd has taken epitestosterone to try and balance out testosterone usage and yet his blood concentration of testosterone is actually low. Further testing, and I'm not sure what you want them to test since they have already tested for blood concentrations, ratios AND compounds would end up with the exact same results.

At the very best a ratio of less that 1:1 *could* suggest that an athlete messed with their own hormonal production at an earlier date by using exogenous sources of testosterone but the so called "additional tests" you keep calling for couldn't find that anyway since even a long lasting substance like a Nandrolone based compound would be undetectable after 18 months and a much more likely used substance like a test suspension is gone within 2 or 3 days.

Now please just stop. This has nothing to do with Americans, Povetkin, or anything except your own inability to accept the truth and admit that you are mistaken. It's OK to be wrong, that's how we learn. What's not OK is to continue to be wrong in the face of facts.

Having such a low ratio, especially since he's not a pod smoking Korean, is highly unlikely and you know it or should know it.
I'm not saying he's has used testosterone in these fights as well, but you can't prove me wrong with just these numbers. There's a fair chance he used it anyway.

This is like saying "he got to be honest, since he's a white guy!"

I have already proven you wrong multiple times. His testosterone concentration is not high so there is zero evidence he was stacking to normalize levels. End of story.

He still should have had CIR testing, end of story

asdfjkl wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: Having such a low ratio, especially since he's not a pod smoking Korean, is highly unlikely and you know it or should know it.
I'm not saying he's has used testosterone in these fights as well, but you can't prove me wrong with just these numbers. There's a fair chance he used it anyway.

This is like saying "he got to be honest, since he's a white guy!"

I have already proven you wrong multiple times. His testosterone concentration is not high so there is zero evidence he was stacking to normalize levels. End of story.

He still should have had CIR testing, end of story

There isn't a minimum T/E ratio allowed, so no, CIR testing was not needed. CIR testing is used when there is evidence of drug use and Floyds results show no evidence of drug use. Clearly your mind is made up and you refuse to change your opinion to match actual scientific fact. I'll leave you to it.

punchoutsb wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:
I have already proven you wrong multiple times. His testosterone concentration is not high so there is zero evidence he was stacking to normalize levels. End of story.

He still should have had CIR testing, end of story

There isn't a minimum T/E ratio allowed, so no, CIR testing was not needed. CIR testing is used when there is evidence of drug use and Floyds results show no evidence of drug use. Clearly your mind is made up and you refuse to change your opinion to match actual scientific fact. I'll leave you to it.

If there is evidence of drugusing, then there are no further tests required, the result is known. In this case it wasn't 100% sure that Mayweather used drugs, it was just a possibility.

punchoutsb wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:
Wasn't the crux of the argument that he wouldn't be rated by any organizations so he'd be stuck in Russia fighting without hopes of getting a title shot? He'll be next in line for Joseph Parker come July.

My thoughts were he'll never be relevant again. If the WBO international is an eliminator for a Parker fight than I'm wrong. I don't think it is.

The Inter-Continental is the WBO's "second" world title. Fury/Kasi was for this belt and Fury secured a mandatory position because of it. Can you think of another reason for the WBO to strip the title from Tom Schwarz if they're not planning on using it as a springboard to get Povetkin/Parker made?

Actually the only reason Fury was given the mandatory spot was because the 4 guys ahead of him were fighting & declined. When Tyson Fury vacated Hughie was #5 after winning the WBO I/C belt. Parker was the #1 & got to fight Ruiz the #3 for the vacant belt. Klitschko the WBO #2 was sign to fight Joshua so he was ineligible. After Parker won the vacant title It moved Haye from the #4 to the #1 & Hughie from #5 to #2. Parker had 120 days to sign to fight Haye but he chose to decline to take the Bellew fight which ended up making Hughie the next in line. Hughie didn't have to do anything to get his mandatory position because all the guys in front of him were removed from the rankings. He kind of just fell into the position but winning that WBO I/C belt gave him a top 5. Schwarz won the vacant WBO I/C belt recently which gave him a top 10 ranking but he also held the WBO youth title before that. I didn't know they stripped Schwarz. I thought he vacated it.