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I don't think anybody is going to stop a master boxer like Ward...even somebody who can box and punch better than Ward, like Kovalev.

I think it's unlikely that Kovalev will get the D.. He'll be cheated again.. They have the same setup for this fight as the last fight as far as judges and referee are concernedf.. Ward looks better prepared mentally and physically for this fight.. He was going into the unknown last time..

What I would try to do for Kovalev is have him dominate with the jab.. Don't strength with Andre because he's on the Victor Conte special strength program and very strong.. You won't win a wrestling match with him.. Just strictly box him... jab him up... save your energy for a strong 2nd half... and win every round.. and DON'T get exercised or angry.. Don't even fake anger because you'll blow energy and that's what they want.

I think mentally they've gotten into Ward's head and they expect Kovalev to be really angry and expend all his energy early going for the KO.. Ward will be saving his energy up, trying to get a much better start, and increase the pressure every round after the 6th -- and even take Kovalev out late -- which is bullcrap.. That's not going to happen, but they would like to punish him severely.. That's their plan.

Kovalev also has to worry about double agents in his camp... They said Jackson called and spilled the beans on everything Kovalev is doing and tried to jump ship to Ward's camp.. That's insane enough to claim something like that.. They're trying to cause dissention and discord in Kovalev’s camp.. They’ll stoop to any mind games no matter how dirty..They're trying to cause rifts, but I trust Jackson.. But there are other people in your camp besides the head coach... giving you water... rubbing Vaseline on you... preparing meals for you... You have to be very careful because this is a very dirty business... Remember you're a Russian.. That's the biggest strike against you.

Kalan wrote:I don't think anybody is going to stop a master boxer like Ward...even somebody who can box and punch better than Ward, like Kovalev.

I think it's unlikely that Kovalev will get the D.. He'll be cheated again.. They have the same setup for this fight as the last fight as far as judges and referee are concernedf.. Ward looks better prepared mentally and physically for this fight.. He was going into the unknown last time..

What I would try to do for Kovalev is have him dominate with the jab.. Don't strength with Andre because he's on the Victor Conte special strength program and very strong.. You won't win a wrestling match with him.. Just strictly box him... jab him up... save your energy for a strong 2nd half... and win every round.. and DON'T get exercised or angry.. Don't even fake anger because you'll blow energy and that's what they want.

I think mentally they've gotten into Ward's head and they expect Kovalev to be really angry and expend all his energy early going for the KO.. Ward will be saving his energy up, trying to get a much better start, and increase the pressure every round after the 6th -- and even take Kovalev out late -- which is bullcrap.. That's not going to happen, but they would like to punish him severely.. That's their plan.

Kovalev also has to worry about double agents in his camp... They said Jackson called and spilled the beans on everything Kovalev is doing and tried to jump ship to Ward's camp.. That's insane enough to claim something like that.. They're trying to cause dissention and discord in Kovalev’s camp.. They’ll stoop to any mind games no matter how dirty..They're trying to cause rifts, but I trust Jackson.. But there are other people in your camp besides the head coach... giving you water... rubbing Vaseline on you... preparing meals for you... You have to be very careful because this is a very dirty business... Remember you're a Russian.. That's the biggest strike against you.

Maybe who knows.
The way Kovalev has that forward motion when he's in the zone is impressive, slightly leaning to the side and back with the penetrating feeling out piercing jab and follow through with the right covering the opponents leftward motion away from the lead is a pretty good 2 combo and he does it well when he's full on concentrating.

boxing_rocks wrote:

NateJR wrote:First off the fight wasn't a robbery. If you cant distinguish the difference between a robbery and a close fight maybe you shouldn't watch boxing to begin with. I watched the fight once and I thought it was a razor close fight, the first few rounds were close, Kovalev got the KD and it seemed Ward took control later in the fight with a few swing rounds. There were alot of close rounds from beginning to end with very few rounds in which there was a clear winner. Honestly a draw could have very well been warranted, it's just hilarious people have gotten so emotionally upset over the decision because their guy simply didn't win. Grow the hell up.. If Kovalev is such the superior boxer he will win the next fight and there won't be so many close rounds. But the truth is, they are both great fighters that compete at a high level and it will more than likely be damn near the same fight, without a knock down and Ward will win another close decision you can cry about.

If a champion who won 6-9 rounds and knocked a challenger down loses his titles, it is a robbery even if a fight was close.

Many, myself included, had Kovalev winning 5 rounds - although I was rooting for Kovalev. That said, the judges all clearly got the 10th round wrong, so if you want to call it a robbery based on the scoring of that round I can see where you're coming from. I think controversial decision is a better description of the fight. Personally I never use the R word in close fights with lots of swing rounds that could have fairly been given to either fighter.

My enthusiasm has been decreasing steadily over the years. There's just so many screw ups and politics that I can be bothered to put up with. So, in a sense, if Kovalev doesn't get the KO and thus most likely wont get a decision no matter how well he does, then it will just further devalue the credence of the "sport" and it might just be the final tipping point to be finished with this sideshow. I won't be buying the PPV this time, that's for sure. Bad decisions don't deserve rewarding. The damage has been done.

So why didn't you quit before ?

It's at the same spot it was in last November.

I'm actually surprised how little I care about this fight. Don't get me wrong, I'll stream it; but I wouldn't spend $10 on it.

Holding ... Andre Ward

Some people say Ward holds on too much in fights.

Please name those moments, opponent, time in fight the whole lot.

Evander wrote:So why didn't you quit before ?

It's at the same spot it was in last November.

I'm not though. Priorities change. Boxing always has been and always will be corrupt. It's just reached the point where my interest is merely hanging on by a thread. Politics obviously won't tip the balance in saving it.

Blodhemn wrote:

Evander wrote:So why didn't you quit before ?

It's at the same spot it was in last November.

I'm not though. Priorities change. Boxing always has been and always will be corrupt. It's just reached the point where my interest is merely hanging on by a thread. Politics obviously won't tip the balance in saving it.

Same, one of the reasons I started posting again was to cling to my interest. I used to watch everything plus my 1,000 plus DVDs. I got to a point where I'd watch 1 round on the DVR and delete it. This year has been good though.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:I'm actually surprised how little I care about this fight. Don't get me wrong, I'll stream it; but I wouldn't spend $10 on it.

Funny, my friend and I were just talking about this the other day. I'm more interested to see the undercard honestly...

Blodhemn wrote:

Evander wrote:So why didn't you quit before ?

It's at the same spot it was in last November.

I'm not though. Priorities change. Boxing always has been and always will be corrupt. It's just reached the point where my interest is merely hanging on by a thread. Politics obviously won't tip the balance in saving it.

Well that's that then.

Does Wards inside work value higher than Kovalev ?

armageto wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:I'm actually surprised how little I care about this fight. Don't get me wrong, I'll stream it; but I wouldn't spend $10 on it.

Funny, my friend and I were just talking about this the other day. I'm more interested to see the undercard honestly...

I am going to buy the card for the main event but on the undercard, I am interested in seeing , the following fighters involved in fights, Rigondeaux, Bivol, and I am a big fan of Arif Magomedov...This is a pretty good card.

boxing_rocks wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:

Freedom2013 wrote:A sport needs honest officiating to be legitimate.

If Kovalev loses fairly, I'll still follow the sport.

But if he loses because the ref permits Ward to use illegal tactics like deliberate head butts, or because the judges are corrupt, then I'm no longer going to follow the sport of boxing.

I'll admit that I felt the same way when they read off the scores at the end of the Kov/Ward 1. I was livid and just pissed off at the sport and wondered why i put so much into it if they can just hand a victory to someone that did nothing to deserve it. Then I looked at the facts...the venue, the judges, the ref....everything is going against Kovalev. Why should I have been surprised.

Then i thought, does this have anything to do with Kovalev's promoter Kathy Duva? Boxing is years and years behind society in terms of equal rights. My feeling is that Boxing is not prepared to have it's #1 P4P star, which Kovalev would have been had he won that fight, be managed by a woman.

This time, i'm going in with the right mindset. Kovalev needs either a knockout or multiple knockdowns in this one to win. He's not winning a decision. I might not even listen to the decision if it goes the distance.

The only way the robbery is related to Duva is that she didn't "work with judges" like a main promoter usually does.

Yes, that's definitely going to be part of it as well. NO ONE can convince me that promoters do not have any influence over the sport and judges scorecards. Whether it's via money or promises, it's not easy to defeat a Haymon or Golden Boy fighter on the cards. Before, you had to really beat the champion to get a decision. Now you have to really beat a Haymon or GB boxer to get a decision. Titles don't matter.

No one had more control over these things than Floyd did. No one can tell me that he didn't have his say on who ref'd or judged his fights. Floyd hand picked the event for the latter half of his career.

Roc Nation certainly wouldn't bother with bribes, they couldn't care less about their fighters or even if they make money on fights. Yet duva, who some of you needlessly pan, has had many decisions go her way. And not for nothing but Floyd had no say on whom refs or judged a single one of his fights. No promoters or boxers do.

I hope it is a KO either way. I would actually be less surprised if Ward KO's Kovalev. I predict Ward will win easier this time, probably a decision though. Kovalev's anger and hatred of Ward will make him get sloppy at some point in the fight. If only the mighty Krusher would have done what most that visit this board said he would do the first time - KO Ward, there wouldn't be an fear of a robbery.

victor-romeo wrote:

armageto wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:I'm actually surprised how little I care about this fight. Don't get me wrong, I'll stream it; but I wouldn't spend $10 on it.

Funny, my friend and I were just talking about this the other day. I'm more interested to see the undercard honestly...

I am going to buy the card for the main event but on the undercard, I am interested in seeing , the following fighters involved in fights, Rigondeaux, Bivol, and I am a big fan of Arif Magomedov...This is a pretty good card.

You will probably fall asleep and miss the main event and any other fights that follow the Rigondull fight. This guy should do the sport a service and retire because his fights only repel people from watching boxing. One of the most boring boxers of all time.

caldo2025 wrote:I'll admit that I felt the same way when they read off the scores at the end of the Kov/Ward 1. I was livid and just pissed off at the sport and wondered why i put so much into it if they can just hand a victory to someone that did nothing to deserve it. Then I looked at the facts...the venue, the judges, the ref....everything is going against Kovalev. Why should I have been surprised.

Then i thought, does this have anything to do with Kovalev's promoter Kathy Duva? Boxing is years and years behind society in terms of equal rights. My feeling is that Boxing is not prepared to have it's #1 P4P star, which Kovalev would have been had he won that fight, be managed by a woman.

All this fúckíng búllshít that I keep reading, whereby merely casual ignorant fight fans persistently bemoan about mythical anti-Russian sentiments or hometown bias as the main reasons why the American judges awarded the decision to Ward instead of Sergey Kovalev, is nothing but a big pair of sweaty cheesy sagging wrinkly bóllócks!

Kathy Duva has always allowed the boxing commissions to appoint their own judges for all of the contests involving the Eastern European/Communist fighters within the Main Events stable, which has led to predominantly and typically unanimously American judges officiating the vast majority of the bouts that her boxers compete in, whenever their events are staged on US soil.

In fact, the vast majority of Sergey Kovalev’s bouts staged in America have predominantly had purely US-based officials working his contests.

The first Kovalev-Ward fight was close and a decent argument can be made that either fighter deserved to gain the nod… and it’s extremely unfortunate for either man to be deemed as the “loser” from the outcome of such a competitive fight… and the decision of evenly-contested bouts are nearly always aggressively and boldly proclaimed nowadays as “ROBBERIES” by tearful fans that are outraged because their favourite fighter lost their contest!

Whilst I empathise with those that are disappointed about Sergey Kovalev’s defeat to Andre Ward, I really don’t have any patience with those that persistently cry “ROBBERY”, whilst making all sorts of unscrupulous allegations involving corruption and bigotry!

Enlightened-One wrote:mythical anti-Russian sentiments

EO scumbag is a vivid illustration that anti-Russian sentiments are not mythical. So are daily news fed to Americans.

boxing_rocks wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:mythical anti-Russian sentiments

EO scumbag is a vivid illustration that anti-Russian sentiments are not mythical. So are daily news fed to Americans.

Only utter fúckíng lying twáts like you carefully select a few words from a sentence and then allege a person as being racist!

I will only defend my original post if challenged in its original context… not any fúckíng búllshít that you make up!

I am not calling you a racist, just a scumbag.

boxing_rocks wrote:I am not calling you a racist, just a scumbag.

It’s a badge of honour to be labelled a “scumbag” by a fúckíng twát that refuses to concede that they've misrepresented my words, whilst badly articulating their criticism to the point that it could easily be construed that they’ve alleged me to be a racist!

boxing_rocks wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:mythical anti-Russian sentiments

So are daily news fed to Americans.

As opposed Putinganda 24/7/365.

Tanzio wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:mythical anti-Russian sentiments

So are daily news fed to Americans.

As opposed Putinganda 24/7/365.

Isn't "free press" supposed to be better?