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McGregor won't last the distance purely on it being new to him.

Elite amateurs start with four or six rounders to build themselves up for 12 and were expected to believe McGregor can do it in his first fight against the best of a generation.

Taansend wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:I know there are people that want to write off this fight and say it's an embarrassment

How is it embarrassing for the sport of Boxing that a retired Boxer is about to come out of retirement and easily beat a 2 weight division World Champion in UFC in his athletic prime? This fight is for the "UFC Champions can kick anybody's ass" crowd, and anybody else that wants to watch just for the hell of it when Mayweather easily handles this guy.

It doesn't hurt the sport, doesn't help it either...it's just an event. The kind of event that isn't done that often.

In a way it evokes the early days of UFC. Boxer vs UFC Champion what's gonna happen?

Remember UFC 1? UFC 2?

Tae Kwon Do vs Wrestler...What's gonna happen?

Sumo vs Jiu Jitsu...What's gonna happen?

Kickboxing vs Sambo...What's gonna happen?

In a way this is reminiscent of that...I mean not for us. We all know what's gonna happen...but that's the way this event feels to the masses. Don't take it away from the poor schlubs, just sit back, crack open a beer, invite over all the MMA guys you know and see if you can make a friendly bet with 'em that Floyd wins.

It's just a one off event guys. The sky's not falling here. If it ain't your cup of tea don't buy it. Personally though I'm 100% confident in Floyd's victory as I'm sure most of us are, I can see the appeal of the fight to the general public. So I'm fine with both guys taking it, and who can blame them? Would you turn down the money on the table here if you were either guy?

I don't know those events Mr Mesh, but my own fear about this event is that so many non boxing fans bought the Mayweather Pacquiao PPV and it was a f*cking dud in terms of general excitement. It really hurt the sport. I still have people mention it to me.

For Mayweather to beat McGregor it has to be a dull fight (like most of his wins over the last decade). He doesn't take risk. He's a super smart, super talented fighter who doesn't care about how he looks, just winning - and fair play to the lad. He's f*cking rich

The world is so interconnected now that this could just be a massive black eye for all concerned.

I'm hoping that Mayweather completely outboxes McGregor for 3/4 rounds then McGregor knocks him out in some MMA manner, giving Mayweather the DQ win & MMA fans the chance to say "our sport is for tough guys"

Floyd fights are dull but he still sells by the bucketload due to people wanting to see him lose.

The damage to boxing argument is very America-centric. In the UK this won't do the same business or be watched by as many people as Joshua v Wlad and that did nothing but good for the sport domestically.

Chris W 1982 wrote:McGregor won't last the distance purely on it being new to him.

Elite amateurs start with four or six rounders to build themselves up for 12 and were expected to believe McGregor can do it in his first fight against the best of a generation.

I don't disagree with you, but don't forget Lomachenko did a 12 rounder in his second fight, so it's not unheard of.

Asterix wrote:

Chris W 1982 wrote:McGregor won't last the distance purely on it being new to him.

Elite amateurs start with four or six rounders to build themselves up for 12 and were expected to believe McGregor can do it in his first fight against the best of a generation.

I don't disagree with you, but don't forget Lomachenko did a 12 rounder in his second fight, so it's not unheard of.

It's also rather disingenuous to pretend this is all new to McGregor. He routinely takes part in contests with five five-minute rounds.

McGregor by brutal first round KO.

dirk2686 wrote:

Taansend wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:I know there are people that want to write off this fight and say it's an embarrassment

How is it embarrassing for the sport of Boxing that a retired Boxer is about to come out of retirement and easily beat a 2 weight division World Champion in UFC in his athletic prime? This fight is for the "UFC Champions can kick anybody's ass" crowd, and anybody else that wants to watch just for the hell of it when Mayweather easily handles this guy.

It doesn't hurt the sport, doesn't help it either...it's just an event. The kind of event that isn't done that often.

In a way it evokes the early days of UFC. Boxer vs UFC Champion what's gonna happen?

Remember UFC 1? UFC 2?

Tae Kwon Do vs Wrestler...What's gonna happen?

Sumo vs Jiu Jitsu...What's gonna happen?

Kickboxing vs Sambo...What's gonna happen?

In a way this is reminiscent of that...I mean not for us. We all know what's gonna happen...but that's the way this event feels to the masses. Don't take it away from the poor schlubs, just sit back, crack open a beer, invite over all the MMA guys you know and see if you can make a friendly bet with 'em that Floyd wins.

It's just a one off event guys. The sky's not falling here. If it ain't your cup of tea don't buy it. Personally though I'm 100% confident in Floyd's victory as I'm sure most of us are, I can see the appeal of the fight to the general public. So I'm fine with both guys taking it, and who can blame them? Would you turn down the money on the table here if you were either guy?

I don't know those events Mr Mesh, but my own fear about this event is that so many non boxing fans bought the Mayweather Pacquiao PPV and it was a f*cking dud in terms of general excitement. It really hurt the sport. I still have people mention it to me.

For Mayweather to beat McGregor it has to be a dull fight (like most of his wins over the last decade). He doesn't take risk. He's a super smart, super talented fighter who doesn't care about how he looks, just winning - and fair play to the lad. He's f*cking rich

The world is so interconnected now that this could just be a massive black eye for all concerned.

I'm hoping that Mayweather completely outboxes McGregor for 3/4 rounds then McGregor knocks him out in some MMA manner, giving Mayweather the DQ win & MMA fans the chance to say "our sport is for tough guys"

Floyd fights are dull but he still sells by the bucketload due to people wanting to see him lose.

The damage to boxing argument is very America-centric. In the UK this won't do the same business or be watched by as many people as Joshua v Wlad and that did nothing but good for the sport domestically.

This fight will surely do bigger numbers than Josh vs Wlad in the UK. Or at least on par.

Mayweather looking in poor shape by his own standards

Carrying luggage around the mid section



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ejaLysnk8c

TheLeprechaun wrote:This fight will surely do bigger numbers than Josh vs Wlad in the UK. Or at least on par.

I'd ask why you think that. I think it won't, based on the following:

Floyd isn't that popular in the UK. Everyone knows who he is, but bar Pacquaio when was he last in a fight that did the business over here? You have to go back to Hatton, and that was because Ricky was a big domestic name. Even the fight against Canelo was buried away on BN.

McGregor is the face of MMA, but MMA isn't as popular in the UK as it elsewhere. Attendances are average, viewing figures aren't great. And this isn't even an MMA event. For sales to massively kick in you need boxing fans to want to watch this, and I'm not sure that many do.

The simple fact of it being on in the middle of the night.

It'll do decent numbers for a novelty event but I think it's a vastly bigger event elsewhere.

No way this does 1m PPV in UK

dirk2686 wrote:

Asterix wrote:

Chris W 1982 wrote:McGregor won't last the distance purely on it being new to him.

Elite amateurs start with four or six rounders to build themselves up for 12 and were expected to believe McGregor can do it in his first fight against the best of a generation.

I don't disagree with you, but don't forget Lomachenko did a 12 rounder in his second fight, so it's not unheard of.

It's also rather disingenuous to pretend this is all new to McGregor. He routinely takes part in contests with five five-minute rounds.

True, but 12x3 minutes rounds of boxing is far, far more intensive than 5x5 minute rounds of MMA.

Boxerbeetle wrote:

dirk2686 wrote:

Asterix wrote: I don't disagree with you, but don't forget Lomachenko did a 12 rounder in his second fight, so it's not unheard of.

It's also rather disingenuous to pretend this is all new to McGregor. He routinely takes part in contests with five five-minute rounds.

True, but 12x3 minutes rounds of boxing is far, far more intensive than 5x5 minute rounds of MMA.

Oh, you have done both?

tobyh5 wrote:

Boxerbeetle wrote:

dirk2686 wrote:
It's also rather disingenuous to pretend this is all new to McGregor. He routinely takes part in contests with five five-minute rounds.

True, but 12x3 minutes rounds of boxing is far, far more intensive than 5x5 minute rounds of MMA.

Oh, you have done both?

No I haven't. What's your point?

I've never done mma, but 2 minutes of wrestling made 4 rounds of boxing seem relaxing.

Boxerbeetle wrote:

dirk2686 wrote:

Asterix wrote: I don't disagree with you, but don't forget Lomachenko did a 12 rounder in his second fight, so it's not unheard of.

It's also rather disingenuous to pretend this is all new to McGregor. He routinely takes part in contests with five five-minute rounds.

True, but 12x3 minutes rounds of boxing is far, far more intensive than 5x5 minute rounds of MMA.

I disagree. Grappling is exhausting.

Boxerbeetle wrote:

dirk2686 wrote:

Asterix wrote: I don't disagree with you, but don't forget Lomachenko did a 12 rounder in his second fight, so it's not unheard of.

It's also rather disingenuous to pretend this is all new to McGregor. He routinely takes part in contests with five five-minute rounds.

True, but 12x3 minutes rounds of boxing is far, far more intensive than 5x5 minute rounds of MMA.

Grappling requires a lot of energy and is very tiring. Fighters in both MMA and Boxing have superb Stamina. McGregor won't have a stamina issue in this fight, he'll have a talent-gap issue.

IT wrote:

Boxerbeetle wrote:

dirk2686 wrote:
It's also rather disingenuous to pretend this is all new to McGregor. He routinely takes part in contests with five five-minute rounds.

True, but 12x3 minutes rounds of boxing is far, far more intensive than 5x5 minute rounds of MMA.

I disagree. Grappling is exhausting.

Hmmm, I might start a thread/poll on this, would be interested to see people's opinions. I've always believed that the championship rounds of a competitive boxing match are about as exhausting as it gets, and don't recall seeing too much evidence to the contrary from UFC or anything similar (not accounting for things like marathon running, which are just too different to compare effectively).

gilgamesh wrote:

Boxerbeetle wrote:

dirk2686 wrote:
It's also rather disingenuous to pretend this is all new to McGregor. He routinely takes part in contests with five five-minute rounds.

True, but 12x3 minutes rounds of boxing is far, far more intensive than 5x5 minute rounds of MMA.

Grappling requires a lot of energy and is very tiring. Fighters in both MMA and Boxing have superb Stamina. McGregor won't have a stamina issue in this fight, he'll have a talent-gap issue.

Didn't McGregor gas early against Diaz?

gilgamesh wrote:

Boxerbeetle wrote:

dirk2686 wrote:
It's also rather disingenuous to pretend this is all new to McGregor. He routinely takes part in contests with five five-minute rounds.

True, but 12x3 minutes rounds of boxing is far, far more intensive than 5x5 minute rounds of MMA.

Grappling requires a lot of energy and is very tiring. Fighters in both MMA and Boxing have superb Stamina. McGregor won't have a stamina issue in this fight, he'll have a talent-gap issue.

To the extent that he's in an unfamiliar sport against a superior exponent, I suspect McGregor will end up being rather tense in the ring (unless there's some kind of agreement before the fight between them that Mayweather doesn't tool him too badly) and his stamina will suffer accordingly.

Boxerbeetle wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

Boxerbeetle wrote:
True, but 12x3 minutes rounds of boxing is far, far more intensive than 5x5 minute rounds of MMA.

Grappling requires a lot of energy and is very tiring. Fighters in both MMA and Boxing have superb Stamina. McGregor won't have a stamina issue in this fight, he'll have a talent-gap issue.

Didn't McGregor gas early against Diaz?

I don't know if he gassed or not, I know he got taken down and choked out.

I mean, hell maybe he will have a stamina issue, but it's not like it's a needed advantage for Floyd. Floyd can probably be shooting the sh*t with people in the front row the way he was against Henry Bruseles in this fight. Conor's gonna get his ass kicked whether he's got good stamina or not. If he runs out of gas he'll probably just quit.

I mean fighting someone you know is that much better than you, and the second-guessing it makes you do and the tension it creates in you, can be fvcking exhausting even if the pace isn't that high.

Much as I hate this fight, I'll be watching and... I've already analysed it over and over and over https://youtu.be/Qo1nvpHL4oU

Counter-puncher wrote:I mean fighting someone you know is that much better than you, and the second-guessing it makes you do and the tension it creates in you, can be fvcking exhausting even if the pace isn't that high.

Too bad he's only getting paid a mint.

Stamina isn't Conor's best trait. But boxing certainly doesn't require any more conditioning than mma. Very good point about anxiety, I was a better boxer than I was a wrestler so that is a contributing point why boxing was so much easier for me. Crazy misconception a lot of people have about those guys conditioning. They train relentlessly.

gilgamesh wrote:

Counter-puncher wrote:I mean fighting someone you know is that much better than you, and the second-guessing it makes you do and the tension it creates in you, can be fvcking exhausting even if the pace isn't that high.

Too bad he's only getting paid a mint.

Sucks being him, indeed

Boxerbeetle wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

Boxerbeetle wrote:
True, but 12x3 minutes rounds of boxing is far, far more intensive than 5x5 minute rounds of MMA.

Grappling requires a lot of energy and is very tiring. Fighters in both MMA and Boxing have superb Stamina. McGregor won't have a stamina issue in this fight, he'll have a talent-gap issue.

Didn't McGregor gas early against Diaz?

This may explain it and perhaps also explain why McGregor's stamina then held up better in the 2nd fight:
http://www.punditarena.com/mmaufc/sraft ... avanagh-2/

I dont think McGregor has a stamina problem, although it is suggested in MMA circles that he does but that is really only based on his fights with Diaz, particularly the first fight when he clearly ran out of steam after a very fast and productive start. However he fought the diaz fights at 168lbs, which is more than his walk around weight and he packed on muscle for those fights that he would never usually have. He has previously ruptured his ACL and so that adversly impacts upon the amount of road work that he can do. He also took the first fight on relatively short notice.

12 rounds boxings compared to 5 x 5 minute rounds of MMA will be less physically gruelling in my opinion. As mentioned, the grappling aspect is energy sapping. Boxing is less sophistciated and technical than MMA in terms of fighting systems. I see a boxing match against Floyd Mayweather as being far less dangerous for McGregor's health than him defending his 155lbs UFC title against top contenders.

Lets not forget that McGregor is a professional fighter in the toughest of all combat sports. He is fighting fit and a dedicated professional in the prime of his life (27 years old). In my opinion McGregor is fit enough to box 12 rounds especially against a light punching 40 year old counter-puncher, who hasnt fought for 2 years and has low punch output. Mayweather has previously fought at 154lbs on 3 occasions and didnt stop any of those 3 opponents. McGregor is naturally the bigger man.

Personally, i think this fight will sell big in the UK, paricularly once the world presser tour starts. McGregor is something else with promotion. A very entertaining character.