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Ossyrules wrote:He could say yes to whyte as

1. There's actually an offer
2. It's good money
3. It's a logical fight to build his profile

And in typical Wilder form, he wont say yes because
1, He will lose.

Now I'm thinking about it, maybe Wilder doesn't want to fight atm because of his drugs problems, if his body is full of drugs he can't fight because he would be tested and banned. Perhaps that's why he's so angry as well.

No it's not that at all. I'm sure there is nothing more sinister in Deontay's system than the occasional bit of weed. No, the reason for his potty-mouth tirade (other than not smoking enough weed) is that he considers himself the real Heavyweight Champion because he holds the supposedly most prestigious belt, is the longest reigning champion, and has made the most defenses.

He thinks that entitles him to a straight unification with Joshua which will make his fortune win or lose. He sees what Martin got and wants that and more besides, because unlike Martin, he really is a true champion having more or less beaten every fighter in the top 10 ... (to 20).
He doesn't really want a unification with Parker because Parker is a risk, less so than Joshua, but there isn't a great pay-out. He'll carry on making out he does though. He definitely doesn't want to fight the dangerous Whyte and he doesn't even feel any need to pretend.

If Joshua's parents never came to England, there was no UK fanbase, no real interest in him from the Brits other than they would show in any talented charismatic foreign holder of two belts, yet he was every bit as good and enjoyed the same successes, who on this forum could truthfilly say hand-on-heart, that they think Wilder would want a unification with him? ... Anybody? ... Anybody at all?

It's all about the money and that's why those parasites, the WBC, are keen to sanction it, because if Wilder wins it's business as usual, and if Joshua wins, their revenue increases and they shouldn't need to expend time, money, energy and credibility working to ensure their man doesn't go and lose to someone they can't be sure they can manipulate.

Ossyrules wrote:Wilder should take this fight imo. Whytes not a bad opponent, and better than some of the guys he's defended against for me. He should come over to England to do it, he should beat whyte really, he's got the punch, reach, and whytes not elusive, he should stop him at some point. Whytes all heart and guts if nothing else, and physically looks in better shape now than when he fought Joshua. It'd take some tremendous staying power from whyte to get thru the moment he'd definitely have getting hurt by wilder. Wilder punches bigger than Joshua, but he wouldn't completely dominate him, it'd probably come out of nowhere during a good scrap.

He'd get paid well

He'd build his profile with the UK fan base

It makes sense in a boxing sense

Those with common sense will get this; Wilder cannot fight anyone other than Stiverne unless it is for a unification. It is also common sense that AJ cannot fight anyone except Wlad (if he wants the rematch) or his mandatory unless it is a unification bout.

Understood but there is no reason Whyte cannot follow Stiverne if Deontay were up for it. Joshua will be tied up for a while unless he loses.

Can somebody just fight somebody in the HW division, please?

Tanzio wrote:Can somebody just fight somebody in the HW division, please?

Vote for Tanzio !

Is Whyte vs Washington a good idea then? As a reasonable alternative?

I'd watch it. I think El Pollo Negro has the height reach and mobility to frustrate Dillian. Dill doesn't hit like Wilder but given the way Washington got destroyed by one shot, I wouldn't rule out Whyte slowing him with body shots and battering him in the later rounds. I think style-wise it's quite a high risk fight for Whyte with little to be won in terms of enhancing his reputation. Dill would put on a blindfold and fight a tiger but I would counsel him to give Washington a swerve.

Whyte vs Miller ??

Tanzio wrote:Can somebody just fight somebody in the HW division, please?

It's frustrating isn't it?
Join me in the protest chant;
"What do we want?
A heavyweight champion!
What have we got?
A frustrating confusion of lies, bluster and posturing!
What do we want?
...."

ValMar wrote:Whyte vs Miller ??

I'd definetly like to see that fight as well, or Dillian vs Ortiz, or Dillian vs Povetkin, or Dillian vs Klitschko.

I think that whoever beats Dillian earned a shot to fight AJ actually, and if nobody succeeds Dillian actually deserves another shot against AJ, who himself said from start of he wanted a rematch with Dillian over time.

ValMar wrote:Whyte vs Miller ??

I hope we aren't going through the top 250 I have work in the morning

Miller is a hard one to assess because he hasn't been tested. He moves well for a man not far shy of 300lbs and he's about the same height as Dill both 6'4" if I remember correctly. His punching power looked pretty devastating against Nick Guivas but without meaning to disrespect Guivas, he's not in the body-snatcher's league for physical toughness. Whyte is improving technically, he is still very inexperienced, but he has good not great power and confidence and strength of character.

Nobody knows how Miller is going to react to somebody roughing him up and blazing back at him, putting him under pressure. He does look soft and flabby around the mid-section.

And if all else fails Dill can always pull down his diapers

Ossyrules wrote:He could say yes to whyte as

1. There's actually an offer
2. It's good money
3. It's a logical fight to build his profile

Sure, he could also retire and pursue a professional career in chess.

candyslim wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:What?

If that's directed at me you no spicka da eengleesh?

I no understanding yours.

candyslim wrote:Miller is a hard one to assess because he hasn't been tested. He moves well for a man not far shy of 300lbs

He's nothing but a fat boy and he hasn't fought in 10 months...What's he stalling for?? ... He's 28... With that kind of activity level he's going nowhere.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:He could say yes to whyte as

1. There's actually an offer
2. It's good money
3. It's a logical fight to build his profile

Sure, he could also retire and pursue a professional career in chess.

That's too much of a risk

Ossyrules wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:He could say yes to whyte as

1. There's actually an offer
2. It's good money
3. It's a logical fight to build his profile

Sure, he could also retire and pursue a professional career in chess.

That's too much of a risk

Ok.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: Sure, he could also retire and pursue a professional career in chess.

That's too much of a risk

Ok.

Wladimir regularly plays chess as well, and would win badly, especially since Americans aren't good chess players except for one chessplayer, who's roots came from the area where Klitschko grew up.

asdfjkl wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:
That's too much of a risk

Ok.

Wladimir regularly plays chess as well, and would win badly, especially since Americans aren't good chess players except for one chessplayer, who's roots came from the area where Klitschko grew up.

I'd slaughter you at chess!

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: Ok.

Wladimir regularly plays chess as well, and would win badly, especially since Americans aren't good chess players except for one chessplayer, who's roots came from the area where Klitschko grew up.

I'd slaughter you at chess!

I'm very confident you don't, I won chessprices since I was a 6 year old.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

candyslim wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:What?

If that's directed at me you no spicka da eengleesh?

I no understanding yours.

If you tell me what part you didn't understand, I'll try to explain myself better.

asdfjkl wrote: Wladimir regularly plays chess as well, and would win badly, especially since Americans aren't good chess players except for one chessplayer, who's roots came from the area where Klitschko grew up.

Dunno about these days but Bobby Fischer and Sammy Reshevsky were better than the average woodpusher as I recall

Chippo wrote:Whyte could frustrate Wilder for a round or two but eventually Wilder would land and then it's over.

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Yeah, yeah we keep hearing what Wilder can do and we've seen him starch a few "also rans" but let's see if he has any more luck with trying to knock Whyte out than he had with Stiverne. Sorry I forgot. He only wants to fight Joshua. Well I only want to shag Monica Belucci.

Kalan wrote:

candyslim wrote:Miller is a hard one to assess because he hasn't been tested. He moves well for a man not far shy of 300lbs

He's nothing but a fat boy and he hasn't fought in 10 months...What's he stalling for?? ... He's 28... With that kind of activity level he's going nowhere.

Well we're talking about him aren't we? I agree a bit more time spent in the gym and less in McDonalds might help.

candyslim wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: Wladimir regularly plays chess as well, and would win badly, especially since Americans aren't good chess players except for one chessplayer, who's roots came from the area where Klitschko grew up.

Dunno about these days but Bobby Fischer and Sammy Reshevsky were better than the average woodpusher as I recall

But as I said, both of them their roots are from eastern Europe, just like Klitschko...

True of Reshevsky but Fischer was from Chicago. Anyway I take your point.

candyslim wrote:True of Reshevsky but Fischer was from Chicago. Anyway I take your point.

"His mother, Regina Wender Fischer, was a US citizen; Regina was born in Switzerland; her parents were Polish-Jewish."
"Paul Nemenyi, a Hungarian-Jewish mathematician and physicist and an expert in fluid and applied mechanics, was Fischer's biological father"

Eastern Europe... And his father was quite a genious in math as well btw