Chippo wrote:So Phil Neville is as naturally talented as Paul Gascoigne was....but Gazza just worked harder so was a better player.
Really?
Phil Neville was world class, and don't be fooled into thinking gazza didn't work hard, he has an extremely addictive personality
Phil Neville was not world class and Gazza spent half of his career visibly overweight.
You think that Phil and Gazza are equal, in terms of natural talent?
You have extremely high standards, 6 pl titles, 3 fa cups, champions league and played for England 59 times.
Gazza practiced outrageous skills as he had the audacity to try such things at a young age.
It's easy to see someone not taking things seriously when they have already made it and think it's natural talent, what we haven't seen is the hours apon hours of practice when he was going through his first addiction...football
gp. wrote:
So what have you done since? What are you practicing now in order to become the best in the world at? Or is your philosophy less to actually do anything, and more to just pay lip service to a "theory" that not even the person you claim to have got it from believes?
I'm sure it's something different every week. Knowing you can be incredible at every possible thing in the world makes for tough decisions.
I live in a nice hot country, start work at 9.30pm and finish at 10.30pm, I would say I'm doing ok
Why on earth is this relevant? Leaving aside why on earth you would think anyone is impressed by it. The question was what are you currently training to become the best in the world at? Given that you could become the best in the world at anything, in your view, it's a bit of a shitty attitude not to try something, wouldn't you say? Far more of a shitty attitude than not practicing the guitar when you don't believe practice will make you exceptional.
That's the reason most of us don't put that amount of practice into things - we know we won't be much good anyway. Your view is that you would, but you still haven't bothered. And then you lecture other people about being negative. Can't you see how absurd this is?
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SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
I'm sure it's something different every week. Knowing you can be incredible at every possible thing in the world makes for tough decisions.
I live in a nice hot country, start work at 9.30pm and finish at 10.30pm, I would say I'm doing ok
Why on earth is this relevant? Leaving aside why on earth you would think anyone is impressed by it.
I'll be impressed when he takes his 4 inch dick and becomes the worlds biggest male pornstar.
Chippo wrote:
Phil Neville was not world class and Gazza spent half of his career visibly overweight.
You think that Phil and Gazza are equal, in terms of natural talent?
You have extremely high standards, 6 pl titles, 3 fa cups, champions league and played for England 59 times.
Gazza practiced outrageous skills as he had the audacity to try such things at a young age.
It's easy to see someone not taking things seriously when they have already made it and think it's natural talent, what we haven't seen is the hours apon hours of practice when he was going through his first addiction...football
Those are team titles and not indicative of Phil's individual ability. He won those titles playing for the all conquering Man United teams of those eras. He was one of the lesser players in that team, used as a utility player and often as substitute. Emily Heskey has 62 international caps, is he also world class?
Are you as naturally talented at footballer as Leo Messi then? If you'd only worked as hard as him, then you'd be winning Ballon D'Ors?
It's just nonsense. Some people simply have better sporting and physical attributes than others.
I'm sorry but averaging around 40 apps a season during one of the worlds best clubs most successful period in my eyes is world class, if he wasn't he would have been sold or not as featured.
Look I understand that certain people have limitations to how fast they can run etc.
My point is that if I was provided the same opportunities, level and amount of practice as messi, I would have been world class providing I stayed healthy.
My logic tells me that this must be the case
In any complex task/sport you can always make small improvements, so given enough time and quality practice I cannot see that there are limitations
Chippo wrote:
Those are team titles and not indicative of Phil's individual ability. He won those titles playing for the all conquering Man United teams of those eras. He was one of the lesser players in that team, used as a utility player and often as substitute. Emily Heskey has 62 international caps, is he also world class?
Are you as naturally talented at footballer as Leo Messi then? If you'd only worked as hard as him, then you'd be winning Ballon D'Ors?
It's just nonsense. Some people simply have better sporting and physical attributes than others.
I'm sorry but averaging around 40 apps a season during one of the worlds best clubs most successful period in my eyes is world class, if he wasn't he would have been sold or not as featured.
Look I understand that certain people have limitations to how fast they can run etc.
My point is that if I was provided the same opportunities, level and amount of practice as messi, I would have been world class providing I stayed healthy.
My logic tells me that this must be the case
In any complex task/sport you can always make small improvements, so given enough time and quality practice I cannot see that there are limitations
Hi Sam,
You're wrong. On both points.
Thanks.
No worries good luck with your average life, and always remember if you're not good at something right away, then just give up
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
I'm sure it's something different every week. Knowing you can be incredible at every possible thing in the world makes for tough decisions.
I live in a nice hot country, start work at 9.30pm and finish at 10.30pm, I would say I'm doing ok
Why on earth is this relevant? Leaving aside why on earth you would think anyone is impressed by it. The question was what are you currently training to become the best in the world at? Given that you could become the best in the world at anything, in your view, it's a bit of a shitty attitude not to try something, wouldn't you say? Far more of a shitty attitude than not practicing the guitar when you don't believe practice will make you exceptional.
That's the reason most of us don't put that amount of practice into things - we know we won't be much good anyway. Your view is that you would, but you still haven't bothered. And then you lecture other people about being negative. Can't you see how absurd this is?
I can tell that you're impressed,
I do now live my life like this, I am a professional singer which I only started doing when I was 25 and I do get better every day by making small improvements as I have a lot of catching up to do with some of my peers that have been having singing lessons from a very young age.
I practice on my guitar every single day learning more and more difficult things.
I am truly content with my life that I have managed to find something I love and get paid for it.
samdance wrote:
I live in a nice hot country, start work at 9.30pm and finish at 10.30pm, I would say I'm doing ok
Why on earth is this relevant? Leaving aside why on earth you would think anyone is impressed by it. The question was what are you currently training to become the best in the world at? Given that you could become the best in the world at anything, in your view, it's a bit of a shitty attitude not to try something, wouldn't you say? Far more of a shitty attitude than not practicing the guitar when you don't believe practice will make you exceptional.
That's the reason most of us don't put that amount of practice into things - we know we won't be much good anyway. Your view is that you would, but you still haven't bothered. And then you lecture other people about being negative. Can't you see how absurd this is?
I can tell that you're impressed,
I do now live my life like this, I am a professional singer which I only started doing when I was 25 and I do get better every day by making small improvements as I have a lot of catching up to do with some of my peers that have been having singing lessons from a very young age.
I practice on my guitar every single day learning more and more difficult things.
I am truly content with my life that I have managed to find something I love and get paid for it.
gp. wrote:
Why on earth is this relevant? Leaving aside why on earth you would think anyone is impressed by it. The question was what are you currently training to become the best in the world at? Given that you could become the best in the world at anything, in your view, it's a bit of a shitty attitude not to try something, wouldn't you say? Far more of a shitty attitude than not practicing the guitar when you don't believe practice will make you exceptional.
That's the reason most of us don't put that amount of practice into things - we know we won't be much good anyway. Your view is that you would, but you still haven't bothered. And then you lecture other people about being negative. Can't you see how absurd this is?
I can tell that you're impressed,
I do now live my life like this, I am a professional singer which I only started doing when I was 25 and I do get better every day by making small improvements as I have a lot of catching up to do with some of my peers that have been having singing lessons from a very young age.
I practice on my guitar every single day learning more and more difficult things.
I am truly content with my life that I have managed to find something I love and get paid for it.
samdance wrote:
I can tell that you're impressed,
I do now live my life like this, I am a professional singer which I only started doing when I was 25 and I do get better every day by making small improvements as I have a lot of catching up to do with some of my peers that have been having singing lessons from a very young age.
I practice on my guitar every single day learning more and more difficult things.
I am truly content with my life that I have managed to find something I love and get paid for it.
samdance wrote:
I live in a nice hot country, start work at 9.30pm and finish at 10.30pm, I would say I'm doing ok
Why on earth is this relevant? Leaving aside why on earth you would think anyone is impressed by it. The question was what are you currently training to become the best in the world at? Given that you could become the best in the world at anything, in your view, it's a bit of a shitty attitude not to try something, wouldn't you say? Far more of a shitty attitude than not practicing the guitar when you don't believe practice will make you exceptional.
That's the reason most of us don't put that amount of practice into things - we know we won't be much good anyway. Your view is that you would, but you still haven't bothered. And then you lecture other people about being negative. Can't you see how absurd this is?
I can tell that you're impressed,
I do now live my life like this, I am a professional singer which I only started doing when I was 25 and I do get better every day by making small improvements as I have a lot of catching up to do with some of my peers that have been having singing lessons from a very young age.
I practice on my guitar every single day learning more and more difficult things.
I am truly content with my life that I have managed to find something I love and get paid for it.
And you're not one of the world's best singers, and are never going to be. Can't you see this?
samdance wrote:
I'm sorry but averaging around 40 apps a season during one of the worlds best clubs most successful period in my eyes is world class, if he wasn't he would have been sold or not as featured.
Look I understand that certain people have limitations to how fast they can run etc.
My point is that if I was provided the same opportunities, level and amount of practice as messi, I would have been world class providing I stayed healthy.
My logic tells me that this must be the case
In any complex task/sport you can always make small improvements, so given enough time and quality practice I cannot see that there are limitations
Hi Sam,
You're wrong. On both points.
Thanks.
No worries good luck with your average life, and always remember if you're not good at something right away, then just give up
What a moronic, moronic, response. Tragically stupid. Just re read what you said and think about how fornicating stupid you are. Then fornicating fornicate off and die.
gp. wrote:
Why on earth is this relevant? Leaving aside why on earth you would think anyone is impressed by it. The question was what are you currently training to become the best in the world at? Given that you could become the best in the world at anything, in your view, it's a bit of a shitty attitude not to try something, wouldn't you say? Far more of a shitty attitude than not practicing the guitar when you don't believe practice will make you exceptional.
That's the reason most of us don't put that amount of practice into things - we know we won't be much good anyway. Your view is that you would, but you still haven't bothered. And then you lecture other people about being negative. Can't you see how absurd this is?
I can tell that you're impressed,
I do now live my life like this, I am a professional singer which I only started doing when I was 25 and I do get better every day by making small improvements as I have a lot of catching up to do with some of my peers that have been having singing lessons from a very young age.
I practice on my guitar every single day learning more and more difficult things.
I am truly content with my life that I have managed to find something I love and get paid for it.
And you're not one of the world's best singers, and are never going to be. Can't you see this?
I have no desire to be, I want to be good enough to make a very good living
No worries good luck with your average life, and always remember if you're not good at something right away, then just give up
What a moronic, moronic, response. Tragically stupid. Just re read what you said and think about how effing stupid you are. Then effing eff off and die.
Why do people resort to swearing when they have lost a debate?
samdance wrote:
No worries good luck with your average life, and always remember if you're not good at something right away, then just give up
What a moronic, moronic, response. Tragically stupid. Just re read what you said and think about how effing stupid you are. Then effing eff off and die.
Why do people resort to swearing when they have lost a debate?
Game set match
Take care
People resort to swearing when the fornicating moron they are talking to is too fornicating stupid to understand all the fornicating sensible responses that have been put to them and persist with their fornicating mindless, moronic beliefs in the face of all the evidence. There's nothing you can do with fornicating moronic pudenda like that except tell them they are fornicating moronic pudenda and hope they die without breeding.
samdance wrote:
I can tell that you're impressed,
I do now live my life like this, I am a professional singer which I only started doing when I was 25 and I do get better every day by making small improvements as I have a lot of catching up to do with some of my peers that have been having singing lessons from a very young age.
I practice on my guitar every single day learning more and more difficult things.
I am truly content with my life that I have managed to find something I love and get paid for it.
And you're not one of the world's best singers, and are never going to be. Can't you see this?
I have no desire to be, I want to be good enough to make a very good living
Ah, I see. It's wish fulfilment. At the moment you make a shit living but you have to make yourself believe that as long as you practice one day you'll be a star. Not going to happen. You should have stuck to ping-pong.
gp. wrote:
What a moronic, moronic, response. Tragically stupid. Just re read what you said and think about how effing stupid you are. Then effing eff off and die.
Why do people resort to swearing when they have lost a debate?
Game set match
Take care
People resort to swearing when the effing moron they are talking to is too effing stupid to understand all the effing sensible responses that have been put to them and persist with their effing mindless, moronic beliefs in the face of all the evidence. There's nothing you can do with effing moronic pudenda like that except tell them they are effing moronic pudenda and hope they die without breeding.
Haha that's weird because I thought I was coming up with intelligent and reasoned arguments.
In regards to evidence, have you read up on examples that help back up this theory like Laszlo and his daughters or the dan plan, just to name a couple?
I suggest you do before you effing (didn't want you to feel left out) talk to me about evidence
its a brilliant meta-theory on why stupid people struggle with meta-level thinking, I like this quote:
persons of low ability suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly assessing their cognitive ability as greater than it is. The cognitive bias of illusory superiority derives from the metacognitive inability of low-ability persons to recognize their own ineptitude. Without the self-awareness of metacognition, low-ability people cannot objectively evaluate their actual competence or incompetence
i think that rather neatly encapsulates your misapprehension of the theories you're trying (and mostly failing) to expound.
gp. wrote:
And you're not one of the world's best singers, and are never going to be. Can't you see this?
I have no desire to be, I want to be good enough to make a very good living
Ah, I see. It's wish fulfilment. At the moment you make a poo living but you have to make yourself believe that as long as you practice one day you'll be a star. Not going to happen. You should have stuck to ping-pong.
I do ok don't worry, I would never want to be famous, thanks for the encouragement I have started playing again.
And it's called effing table tennis
Apologies for swearing but you said to do it when someone's being stupid
Counter-puncher wrote:its actually rather sad that a useful theory, that helpfully highlights the role of purposive practise, has been so badly bowdlerised here.
sam, as you seem to like meta-theories, try this one for size, I think it suits you rather better:
its a brilliant meta-theory on why stupid people struggle with meta-level thinking, I like this quote:
persons of low ability suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly assessing their cognitive ability as greater than it is. The cognitive bias of illusory superiority derives from the metacognitive inability of low-ability persons to recognize their own ineptitude. Without the self-awareness of metacognition, low-ability people cannot objectively evaluate their actual competence or incompetence
i think that rather neatly encapsulates your misapprehension of the theories you're trying (and mostly failing) to expound.
Counter-puncher wrote:its actually rather sad that a useful theory, that helpfully highlights the role of purposive practise, has been so badly bowdlerised here.
sam, as you seem to like meta-theories, try this one for size, I think it suits you rather better:
its a brilliant meta-theory on why stupid people struggle with meta-level thinking, I like this quote:
persons of low ability suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly assessing their cognitive ability as greater than it is. The cognitive bias of illusory superiority derives from the metacognitive inability of low-ability persons to recognize their own ineptitude. Without the self-awareness of metacognition, low-ability people cannot objectively evaluate their actual competence or incompetence
i think that rather neatly encapsulates your misapprehension of the theories you're trying (and mostly failing) to expound.
samdance wrote:
Why do people resort to swearing when they have lost a debate?
Game set match
Take care
People resort to swearing when the effing moron they are talking to is too effing stupid to understand all the effing sensible responses that have been put to them and persist with their effing mindless, moronic beliefs in the face of all the evidence. There's nothing you can do with effing moronic pudenda like that except tell them they are effing moronic pudenda and hope they die without breeding.
Haha that's weird because I thought I was coming up with intelligent and reasoned arguments.
In regards to evidence, have you read up on examples that help back up this theory like Laszlo and his daughters or the dan plan, just to name a couple?
I suggest you do before you effing (didn't want you to feel left out) talk to me about evidence
