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SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

ValMar wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: He was a large man fighting inferior opposition. Even though he was an arm puncher it still stings. Not like he was Byrd, just not a puncher. Tia is a puncher, just an overrated one. Wlad had massive power.

Tua is overrated puncher only for you-----if Usyk has Tua's power he will tomorrow defeat Joshua, Ortiz and Wilder.....Tomorrow....

I only care about me. No need to quote me over and over to say the same poo. Wouldn't be the first or last time I'm singular in my opinion, and correct. As for the usyk analogy, David hit much harder than him so I'm not sure what you're getting at there. If usyk had tuas lack of skills and speed he'd be Huck. Wilder and Joshua punch harder than tua anyway, so he'd still be the underdog there. He could beat Ortiz without a power upgrade.

Singular - yes......
Correct - no........
I think that recent Wilder and Joshua are very close with prime Tua, considering punching power : +- 3%.....

ValMar wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

ValMar wrote:
Tua is overrated puncher only for you-----if Usyk has Tua's power he will tomorrow defeat Joshua, Ortiz and Wilder.....Tomorrow....

I only care about me. No need to quote me over and over to say the same poo. Wouldn't be the first or last time I'm singular in my opinion, and correct. As for the usyk analogy, David hit much harder than him so I'm not sure what you're getting at there. If usyk had tuas lack of skills and speed he'd be Huck. Wilder and Joshua punch harder than tua anyway, so he'd still be the underdog there. He could beat Ortiz without a power upgrade.

Singular - yes......
Correct - no........
I think that recent Wilder and Joshua are very close with prime Tua, considering punching power : +- 3%.....

You think wrong on all accounts.

Usyk with Tua level power is an underdog against Wilder? Disagree!

Of course, if we're playing make believe then Wilder with elite boxing skills is an ATG.

crusader wrote:Usyk with Tua level power is an underdog against Wilder? Disagree!

Of course, if we're playing make believe then Wilder with elite boxing skills is an ATG.

He'd still have serious size issues to overcome.

Ok, so is Huck past it, or are Usyk, Breidis and Glowacki just better opposition than Arslan, Afolabi, Minto, Garay etc?

SD over Lebedev, and decent performance at HW against Povetkin aside, I really don't know where to place Huck, or judge how far he's slipped... Cunningham beat him, Haye and Adamek etc moved up, others retired, never unified against Hernandez/Wlodarczyk/whoever else held a piece of the title during his reign...

Help...

Deleted_Scenes wrote:Ok, so is Huck past it, or are Usyk, Breidis and Glowacki just better opposition than Arslan, Afolabi, Minto, Garay etc?

SD over Lebedev, and decent performance at HW against Povetkin aside, I really don't know where to place Huck, or judge how far he's slipped... Cunningham beat him, Haye and Adamek etc moved up, others retired, never unified against Hernandez/Wlodarczyk/whoever else held a piece of the title during his reign...

Help...

Huck is on of the 10 best cw of the last 10 years.

1 usyk
2 haye
3 hernandez
4 cunningham
5 breidis
6 lebedev
7 huck
8 adamek
9 glowacki
10 kudryashov

In his prime huck was a very dangerous crazy aggressiv boxer. That he was close of defeating a top 4 heavyweight like povetkin just says it all.

I can see that point of view. Maybe I didn't rate Povetkin highly enough at the time? I still feel Huck has fought stronger opposition Glowacki onwards, than he fought during his title reign. Less relentless and less dangerous now perhaps, but was he always there to be outboxed, had a fighter with the appropriate skillset existed?

I did always rate Hernandez. Shame his injuries prevented the two from ever unifying.

Brutal 1 punch KO (10 sec. KO) on the undercard!

Jip wrote:

Deleted_Scenes wrote:Ok, so is Huck past it, or are Usyk, Breidis and Glowacki just better opposition than Arslan, Afolabi, Minto, Garay etc?

SD over Lebedev, and decent performance at HW against Povetkin aside, I really don't know where to place Huck, or judge how far he's slipped... Cunningham beat him, Haye and Adamek etc moved up, others retired, never unified against Hernandez/Wlodarczyk/whoever else held a piece of the title during his reign...

Help...

Huck is on of the 10 best cw of the last 10 years.

1 usyk
2 haye
3 hernandez
4 cunningham
5 breidis
6 lebedev
7 huck
8 adamek
9 glowacki
10 kudryashov

In his prime huck was a very dangerous crazy aggressiv boxer. That he was close of defeating a top 4 heavyweight like povetkin just says it all.

Seriously??? All these guys above Gassiev? Even Lebedev beaten by him and Huck beaten by everybody and their dogs?

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Jip wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
He could only dream of having footwork and punch variation like Holyfield's. Man you're dumb.

Take your time go to youtube. Watch holyfield at cw and compare it with usyk....& you ll see

I have holyfields career on dvd, watched them all live. As usual, you have no idea what you're talking about.

Good call. The footwork and punch variation of Evander that you mention are on full display in this video of Holy's devastating KO of HALL-OF-FAMER Dwight Muhammad Qawi:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okVLa_g-35s

Looking good against clowns like Huck and Hunter is no comparison to Holyfield beating HOFer Qawi in either of their historic wars.

Best Coast, Huck is not a clown. Yes, he has passed his prime, but he is still a genuine warrior.

Qawi was 5'6" and turned pro at 25 with no amateur background. Has to be one of the naturally toughest guys ever....

Agree with ValMar that Huck's no clown

ValMar wrote:Best Coast, Huck is not a clown. Yes, he has passed his prime, but he is still a genuine warrior.

Indeed. If you were compiling a Top 10 Cruiserweights of all time list. Huck makes the list. Possibly even in the Top 5, but certainly Top 10.

gilgamesh wrote:

ValMar wrote:Best Coast, Huck is not a clown. Yes, he has passed his prime, but he is still a genuine warrior.

Indeed. If you were compiling a Top 10 Cruiserweights of all time list. Huck makes the list. Possibly even in the Top 5, but certainly Top 10.

1. Holyfield
2. Usyk
3. Haye

The rest is questionable, but Huck should be on the top 10 list, definitely.....

ValMar wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

ValMar wrote:Best Coast, Huck is not a clown. Yes, he has passed his prime, but he is still a genuine warrior.

Indeed. If you were compiling a Top 10 Cruiserweights of all time list. Huck makes the list. Possibly even in the Top 5, but certainly Top 10.

1. Holyfield
2. Usyk
3. Haye

The rest is questionable, but Huck should be on the top 10 list, definitely.....

I wouldn't have Haye so high either.

gilgamesh wrote:

ValMar wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:
Indeed. If you were compiling a Top 10 Cruiserweights of all time list. Huck makes the list. Possibly even in the Top 5, but certainly Top 10.

1. Holyfield
2. Usyk
3. Haye

The rest is questionable, but Huck should be on the top 10 list, definitely.....

I wouldn't have Haye so high either.

Who else ?

ValMar wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

ValMar wrote:
1. Holyfield
2. Usyk
3. Haye

The rest is questionable, but Huck should be on the top 10 list, definitely.....

I wouldn't have Haye so high either.

Who else ?

James Toney, Dwight Muhammad Qawi

gilgamesh wrote:

ValMar wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:
I wouldn't have Haye so high either.

Who else ?

James Toney, Dwight Muhammad Qawi

How long Toney has been at CW ? I can not remember, and I don't want to search on Google.
Between Qawi and Haye, I would always choose Haye (honestly, I had been watching almost every Haye's match, and it is not the case considering Qawi).