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Re: Joshua - ‘superior black race’

Posted: 19 Nov 2017, 15:52
by Jackson328
chiggsy wrote: 19 Nov 2017, 15:33 Just going to watch “12 years a slave” before i give my opinion.
:OhYes:

Re: Joshua - ‘superior black race’

Posted: 19 Nov 2017, 15:53
by Controversial
mickey1975 wrote: 19 Nov 2017, 15:30
Controversial wrote: 19 Nov 2017, 14:39 I think some of you guys are off target with this being a black and white thing, I don't see it like that at all. AJ is of Nigerian descent, he has a map of Africa tattooed on him and if you look at AJ's team all the black guys are of African descent judging by their surnames. There has always been a divide between Africans and people from the Caribbean and this is what I think is meant by "superior black race", i.e. Africans are superior to other black people.
And if you look at Tysons team, they are all races and cultures, including Chambers!
Sorry what has Tyson Fury got to do with what AJ allegedly sent to Chambers?

Re: Joshua - ‘superior black race’

Posted: 19 Nov 2017, 15:59
by Ossyrules
Oiky wrote: 19 Nov 2017, 15:22
Controversial wrote: 19 Nov 2017, 14:39 I think some of you guys are off target with this being a black and white thing, I don't see it like that at all. AJ is of Nigerian descent, he has a map of Africa tattooed on him and if you look at AJ's team all the black guys are of African descent judging by their surnames. There has always been a divide between Africans and people from the Caribbean and this is what I think is meant by "superior black race", i.e. Africans are superior to other black people.
😂😂😂

See how b/c it's Joshua it's not a black or white thing or not this or not that

If Tyson had said that no one would go into detail as to why or what his reason was for saying it is the point

Joshua has come out with this sh*t and people are starting to give out history lessons as to why he said it

You are all kidding yourselves if you think fury would get away with the same, in whatever way he said or meant it :brick:
They do with fury believe me. The fury fans when he said stuff about homo’s went on about Christian beliefs etc

Joshua has dm’d chambers with a racial remark and Joshua fans say there bit

The only hypocritical thing is the fans of either, and you’re clearly in camp fury, trying give the other side a hard time

The only thing I’ll say in Joshua’s favour is his repuatation and conduct buys him some time before the daggers come out

Re: Joshua - ‘superior black race’

Posted: 19 Nov 2017, 16:01
by Ossyrules
mickey1975 wrote: 19 Nov 2017, 15:30
Controversial wrote: 19 Nov 2017, 14:39 I think some of you guys are off target with this being a black and white thing, I don't see it like that at all. AJ is of Nigerian descent, he has a map of Africa tattooed on him and if you look at AJ's team all the black guys are of African descent judging by their surnames. There has always been a divide between Africans and people from the Caribbean and this is what I think is meant by "superior black race", i.e. Africans are superior to other black people.
And if you look at Tysons team, they are all races and cultures, including Chambers!
Classic example of the fury club. This post mentions nothing of fury, but here you go

Judge the situation for what it is

Re: Joshua - ‘superior black race’

Posted: 19 Nov 2017, 16:06
by ewenhay
Ossyrules wrote: 19 Nov 2017, 16:01
mickey1975 wrote: 19 Nov 2017, 15:30
Controversial wrote: 19 Nov 2017, 14:39 I think some of you guys are off target with this being a black and white thing, I don't see it like that at all. AJ is of Nigerian descent, he has a map of Africa tattooed on him and if you look at AJ's team all the black guys are of African descent judging by their surnames. There has always been a divide between Africans and people from the Caribbean and this is what I think is meant by "superior black race", i.e. Africans are superior to other black people.
And if you look at Tysons team, they are all races and cultures, including Chambers!
Classic example of the fury club. This post mentions nothing of fury, but here you go

Judge the situation for what it is
Yeah this shouldn't be about any whataboutery. Fury's comments were out of order and so was Joshua's.

Re: Joshua - ‘superior black race’

Posted: 19 Nov 2017, 16:38
by mickey1975
Thought it was a huge coincidence AJ picked on a member of Team Fury.

Re: Joshua - ‘superior black race’

Posted: 19 Nov 2017, 16:40
by mickey1975
Ossyrules wrote: 19 Nov 2017, 15:59
Oiky wrote: 19 Nov 2017, 15:22
Controversial wrote: 19 Nov 2017, 14:39 I think some of you guys are off target with this being a black and white thing, I don't see it like that at all. AJ is of Nigerian descent, he has a map of Africa tattooed on him and if you look at AJ's team all the black guys are of African descent judging by their surnames. There has always been a divide between Africans and people from the Caribbean and this is what I think is meant by "superior black race", i.e. Africans are superior to other black people.
😂😂😂

See how b/c it's Joshua it's not a black or white thing or not this or not that

If Tyson had said that no one would go into detail as to why or what his reason was for saying it is the point

Joshua has come out with this sh*t and people are starting to give out history lessons as to why he said it

You are all kidding yourselves if you think fury would get away with the same, in whatever way he said or meant it :brick:
They do with fury believe me. The fury fans when he said stuff about homo’s went on about Christian beliefs etc

Joshua has dm’d chambers with a racial remark and Joshua fans say there bit

The only hypocritical thing is the fans of either, and you’re clearly in camp fury, trying give the other side a hard time

The only thing I’ll say in Joshua’s favour is his repuatation and conduct buys him some time before the daggers come out
Is Tyson not allowed to have Christian beliefs? Believe me, Nigerians do.

Re: Joshua - ‘superior black race’

Posted: 19 Nov 2017, 16:42
by Stuarty
I quite like AJ as a fighter. I look forward to his fights but I'm itching for Fury to come back and box his nut off!

Re: Joshua - ‘superior black race’

Posted: 19 Nov 2017, 16:45
by tobyh5
mickey1975 wrote: 19 Nov 2017, 16:40
Is Tyson not allowed to have Christian beliefs? Believe me, Nigerians do.
Whenever I hear that line I think of this episode of the West Wing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1-ip47WYWc

Re: Joshua - ‘superior black race’

Posted: 19 Nov 2017, 17:03
by Ossyrules
mickey1975 wrote: 19 Nov 2017, 16:40
Ossyrules wrote: 19 Nov 2017, 15:59
Oiky wrote: 19 Nov 2017, 15:22
😂😂😂

See how b/c it's Joshua it's not a black or white thing or not this or not that

If Tyson had said that no one would go into detail as to why or what his reason was for saying it is the point

Joshua has come out with this sh*t and people are starting to give out history lessons as to why he said it

You are all kidding yourselves if you think fury would get away with the same, in whatever way he said or meant it :brick:
They do with fury believe me. The fury fans when he said stuff about homo’s went on about Christian beliefs etc

Joshua has dm’d chambers with a racial remark and Joshua fans say there bit

The only hypocritical thing is the fans of either, and you’re clearly in camp fury, trying give the other side a hard time

The only thing I’ll say in Joshua’s favour is his repuatation and conduct buys him some time before the daggers come out
Is Tyson not allowed to have Christian beliefs? Believe me, Nigerians do.
You’ve missed the point

Blind die hard fans of one or the other will look to justify there guys words/actions

Re: Joshua - ‘superior black race’

Posted: 19 Nov 2017, 17:39
by Oiky
Stuarty30 wrote: 19 Nov 2017, 16:42 I quite like AJ as a fighter. I look forward to his fights but I'm itching for Fury to come back and box his nut off!
:TU: stuarty knows

Re: Joshua - ‘superior black race’

Posted: 19 Nov 2017, 18:04
by lillywhite14
What pisses people off is the double standards. People making excuses for one or the other isn’t the issue here, fanboys exist for everything these days. It’s the reaction in the media that tells us all we need to know.
The only thing I’ve seen about it is in the Star and they word it in a way where they take a pop at Fury for pulling Joshua up on his racist remark! Couldn’t make it up. :lol:

Bottom line is, if Fury said ‘superior white race’ he’d be destroyed ( again )

I like both fighters but absolutely want Fury back to beat him just to see the reaction in the media.

Re: Joshua - ‘superior black race’

Posted: 19 Nov 2017, 18:07
by Oiky
lillywhite14 wrote: 19 Nov 2017, 18:04 What pisses people off is the double standards. People making excuses for one or the other isn’t the issue here, fanboys exist for everything these days. It’s the reaction in the media that tells us all we need to know.
The only thing I’ve seen about it is in the Star and they word it in a way where they take a pop at Fury for pulling Joshua up on his racist remark! Couldn’t make it up. :lol:

Bottom line is, if Fury said ‘superior white race’ he’d be destroyed ( again )

I like both fighters but absolutely want Fury back to beat him just to see the reaction in the media.
Another sensible factual post

People can write as many fancy posts as they like thinking they are geniuses but it's the double standards that is the problem

Re: Joshua - ‘superior black race’

Posted: 19 Nov 2017, 21:50
by broomy7s
lurkyshaka wrote: 19 Nov 2017, 08:26 Dillian Whyte told everyone a long time ago that the Anthony Joshua that exists in the public perception is not who he actually is. Even Eddie Hearn has alluded to their being more to Joshua than is generally seen hin his very PR based interviews. Over the last few months I think Joshua has actually been encouraged to let loose a little bit, to show a bit more of himself....

At the end of the day AJ is a guy that clearly 'enjoys' hurting and brutally knocking people out. He's obviously got a nasty, arrogant side, we've seen glimpses of it in his interviews with Kugan when a question hasn't sat right with him. His halo has certainly slipped....but in truth it was never there to begin with! Get on the wrong side of Joshua and he'd be eager to smash your face in at the drop of a hat make no mistake.

Is Joshua a proper hard core racist at heart? Probably not, in fact I very much doubt it....it was more just a crass way of trying to insult a fellow black man with an ugly racial remark. But it certainly shows an uglier side to his character and to his mindset. And its true if Tyson Fury....or for that matter any other white fighter had come out with something like that, then they'd be absolutely lambasted for it.
:clap:

Re: Joshua - ‘superior black race’

Posted: 19 Nov 2017, 22:38
by boxingknockout
broomy7s wrote: 19 Nov 2017, 21:50
lurkyshaka wrote: 19 Nov 2017, 08:26 Dillian Whyte told everyone a long time ago that the Anthony Joshua that exists in the public perception is not who he actually is. Even Eddie Hearn has alluded to their being more to Joshua than is generally seen hin his very PR based interviews. Over the last few months I think Joshua has actually been encouraged to let loose a little bit, to show a bit more of himself....

At the end of the day AJ is a guy that clearly 'enjoys' hurting and brutally knocking people out. He's obviously got a nasty, arrogant side, we've seen glimpses of it in his interviews with Kugan when a question hasn't sat right with him. His halo has certainly slipped....but in truth it was never there to begin with! Get on the wrong side of Joshua and he'd be eager to smash your face in at the drop of a hat make no mistake.

Is Joshua a proper hard core racist at heart? Probably not, in fact I very much doubt it....it was more just a crass way of trying to insult a fellow black man with an ugly racial remark. But it certainly shows an uglier side to his character and to his mindset. And its true if Tyson Fury....or for that matter any other white fighter had come out with something like that, then they'd be absolutely lambasted for it.
:clap:
Wow. Great summary. I saw a vid (when I was drunk 😂) of Joshua laughing and sticking his tongue out when he was hurting the other guy. He enjoyed it. Boxers need a bit of that though. But can’t wait until his mask of sanity begins to slip.... 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣

Re: Joshua - ‘superior black race’

Posted: 19 Nov 2017, 23:16
by Grailer
Joshua should be stripped of his titles and banned from boxing for a few years .

Re: Joshua - ‘superior black race’

Posted: 19 Nov 2017, 23:28
by jamamb
:lol:

Re: Joshua - ‘superior black race’

Posted: 20 Nov 2017, 00:01
by tiny_acres
Grailer wrote: 19 Nov 2017, 23:16 Joshua should be stripped of his titles and banned from boxing for a few years .
That's excessive.

Re: Joshua - ‘superior black race’

Posted: 20 Nov 2017, 00:19
by Grilling Machine
SAPFO wrote: 19 Nov 2017, 08:35Let me flip this over. Who are the superior of the 'white' races? Does not sound 'so' bad if this is the context. If anything. AJ has just killed his Caribbean heritage following.
Historically and physically, I guess the Scandinavians?

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1290 ... well-white

Re: Joshua - ‘superior black race’

Posted: 20 Nov 2017, 00:35
by Taansend
mickey1975 wrote: 19 Nov 2017, 13:27 I'd be very interested to hear Josh's real views on gays. They are not tolerated in Nigeria where he was schooled and considers himself from.
How long was he "schooled" in Nigeria for, Mickey?

Re: Joshua - ‘superior black race’

Posted: 20 Nov 2017, 01:21
by Grilling Machine
Until he was knocked out.
Oiky wrote: 19 Nov 2017, 18:07People can write as many fancy posts as they like thinking they are geniuses but it's the double standards that is the problem
It's Joshua's first strike whereas Fury has form. That might matter to some people.

Re: Joshua - ‘superior black race’

Posted: 20 Nov 2017, 01:26
by Evander
OMG I can't believe Joshua said that.

He's in big trouble.

Re: Joshua - ‘superior black race’

Posted: 20 Nov 2017, 02:06
by jamamb
Ossyrules wrote: 19 Nov 2017, 13:43 Any further update on this? I’m certain itd be a fake it smacks of fake.

Lol at the fury fans piling into the thread. Not everything is about fury
seems out of character for ajs public persona but it was sent privately so who knows

Re: Joshua - ‘superior black race’

Posted: 20 Nov 2017, 04:28
by Controversial
lillywhite14 wrote: 19 Nov 2017, 18:04 What pisses people off is the double standards. People making excuses for one or the other isn’t the issue here, fanboys exist for everything these days. It’s the reaction in the media that tells us all we need to know.
The only thing I’ve seen about it is in the Star and they word it in a way where they take a pop at Fury for pulling Joshua up on his racist remark! Couldn’t make it up. :lol:

Bottom line is, if Fury said ‘superior white race’ he’d be destroyed ( again )

I like both fighters but absolutely want Fury back to beat him just to see the reaction in the media.
I think the difference here is the comment wasn't directed to a white person, it's one black guy saying it to another black guy. To be fair if any white person said this to someone of colour then they would be lambasted for it, Fury wouldn't be alone there. I also think AJ would be in more trouble if he said it to a white person.

Re: Joshua - ‘superior black race’

Posted: 20 Nov 2017, 04:36
by nitro5912
AJ has or hasn't saud some total bollox via social media.

Tyson fury said some total bollox on social media and claimed he had been hacked. But still spouted the same bollox in the media, youtube vids etc.

If it turns out AJs comments have come from AJ and i dont see why not then he has been just as big a prized plank as fury was intially.

The difference will come for those comparing the 2 is that fury went on to repeat the same views repeatadly, i guarentee you in public AJ doesn't do it again.

If fury backed up his words in fights tgat were full of action he would have legions of fans just like joshua. But all he has is no licence, no date for his hearing, and a win v klitschko that has become myth like.