Re: ESPN: Eddie Hearn to 'put an offer together' for Anthony Joshua-Deontay Wilder fight
Posted: 13 Apr 2018, 20:07
by KiwiRider
jamamb wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018, 10:16
lol just chill mate, the fights only been 'has to happen!' for a matter of months. the first offer just got sent. it hasnt been years and years
Let's just hope it isn't years and years. I was over Pac/Wifebeater Jr by the time it actually happend.
With all the social media waffle about Wilder/Joshua I'm tiring of it already. Bring on Povitkin I say
Re: ESPN: Eddie Hearn to 'put an offer together' for Anthony Joshua-Deontay Wilder fight
Posted: 14 Apr 2018, 04:08
by greg
..not necessarily anything new but still interesting to follow Hearn's rationale and difficult not to agree with him:
Re: ESPN: Eddie Hearn to 'put an offer together' for Anthony Joshua-Deontay Wilder fight
Posted: 14 Apr 2018, 05:33
by Bard of Boxrec
greg wrote: ↑14 Apr 2018, 04:08
..not necessarily anything new but still interesting to follow Hearn's rationale and difficult not to agree with him:
Yep, everything he says makes perfect sense. Wilder needs to take the offer on the table.
One thing though. Eddie said ‘if they think they can win, they have to take this fight’. But even if they don’t think they can win they have to take it. Is wilder going to earn 12 million dollars for the rest of his entire career without Joshua ? Probably not. But if he fought him and lost, he would still highly likely have made more money by the end of his career then he would have without Joshua. The profile the fight would give him could open up other avenues for him outside of boxing too if he wanted.
Re: ESPN: Eddie Hearn to 'put an offer together' for Anthony Joshua-Deontay Wilder fight
Posted: 14 Apr 2018, 07:54
by Badhusker
I refuse to even listen to Hearn's bullshit anymore. He is obviously only looking out for himself. He already said last week they could probably get away with one more fight before Wilder, so do you think he expects Wilder to accept the terms? Even if Wilder does, the date I guarantee you will be late this year.
Offering a flat $ amount is a non-starter in a fight that could be as big as this. They follow up by saying if Wilder is so certain he would win he needs to take it. Pacquiao (Arum) didn't accept a $40 million flat offer to Floyd, because he knew the % would be bigger.
I wish Wilder's team would suggest a winner take all offer. If Joshua is so certain he would win he should take it.
Re: ESPN: Eddie Hearn to 'put an offer together' for Anthony Joshua-Deontay Wilder fight
Posted: 14 Apr 2018, 13:29
by Bard of Boxrec
Badhusker wrote: ↑14 Apr 2018, 07:54
I refuse to even listen to Hearn's bullshit anymore. He is obviously only looking out for himself. He already said last week they could probably get away with one more fight before Wilder, so do you think he expects Wilder to accept the terms? Even if Wilder does, the date I guarantee you will be late this year.
Offering a flat $ amount is a non-starter in a fight that could be as big as this. They follow up by saying if Wilder is so certain he would win he needs to take it. Pacquiao (Arum) didn't accept a $40 million flat offer to Floyd, because he knew the % would be bigger.
I wish Wilder's team would suggest a winner take all offer. If Joshua is so certain he would win he should take it.
Wilder isn’t in a position to suggest shit.
Hearn should forget about this guy . If wilder doesn’t accept $12 million, he’s an idiot.
Would be hilarious if Hearn says no deal then wilder gets beat by a no mark.
Re: ESPN: Eddie Hearn to 'put an offer together' for Anthony Joshua-Deontay Wilder fight
Posted: 14 Apr 2018, 21:53
by jamamb
well by the same standard, if wilders side is ultra confident they can make a formal winner take all offer. will they do that i wonder?
it wont swing either way
Re: ESPN: Eddie Hearn to 'put an offer together' for Anthony Joshua-Deontay Wilder fight
I know that both fights will make a different amount of money. I'm saying they'd get an equal % average for the two fights combined.
But they don't!!
With the numbers above, the averages are 53/47 not 50/50.
I'm saying, they get an equal average % with the two fights combined, but a different amount of money. No fight generates the exact same amount of money. Just like Parker vs AJ would make less than Wilder vs AJ, but if they would get an equal % if they both made 33 1/3% of the fight. The money would still be different, but the % the same or equal. So Parker couldn't complain about getting less money, if he was getting the same %. Wilder fight would just generate more money. So an equal % would be fair. An equal average %.......
In other words, we both work in car sales. I get an a 10% commission on every sale in April, you 15%. It's reversed in May. I sell 15 cars in a April, you sell 18 cars. I sell 12 cars in April, you sell 4. Overall, yes, I did make more money. We both however had an equal % chance to earn the same income. It just worked out differently between our sales in the 2 months.
I didn't pay any attention to his actual numbers. I think the fact he was trying to state was the money would be different per fight, which it would. My point is the money would be different, but both fights combined, each fighter had an equal chance to make the same amount of money, % wise.
I'm sorry, but whatever point you are trying to make here, has failed stupendously.
Re: ESPN: Eddie Hearn to 'put an offer together' for Anthony Joshua-Deontay Wilder fight
Posted: 15 Apr 2018, 11:36
by Rob3_142
Badhusker wrote: ↑14 Apr 2018, 07:54
I refuse to even listen to Hearn's bullshit anymore. He is obviously only looking out for himself. He already said last week they could probably get away with one more fight before Wilder, so do you think he expects Wilder to accept the terms? Even if Wilder does, the date I guarantee you will be late this year.
Offering a flat $ amount is a non-starter in a fight that could be as big as this. They follow up by saying if Wilder is so certain he would win he needs to take it. Pacquiao (Arum) didn't accept a $40 million flat offer to Floyd, because he knew the % would be bigger.
I wish Wilder's team would suggest a winner take all offer. If Joshua is so certain he would win he should take it.
Why is offering Wilder 2-3 times his biggest pay day ever a non-starter? Wilder and his team are more than welcome to make Joshua an offer, but financially are in no position to do so. Hearn is holding all the cards here, and unless Wilder is prepared to be a little more reasonable. then he'll have to walk away with his tail between his legs.
Re: ESPN: Eddie Hearn to 'put an offer together' for Anthony Joshua-Deontay Wilder fight
Posted: 15 Apr 2018, 12:34
by jamesmcdonnell
Badhusker wrote: ↑14 Apr 2018, 07:54
I refuse to even listen to Hearn's bullshit anymore. He is obviously only looking out for himself. He already said last week they could probably get away with one more fight before Wilder, so do you think he expects Wilder to accept the terms? Even if Wilder does, the date I guarantee you will be late this year.
Offering a flat $ amount is a non-starter in a fight that could be as big as this. They follow up by saying if Wilder is so certain he would win he needs to take it. Pacquiao (Arum) didn't accept a $40 million flat offer to Floyd, because he knew the % would be bigger.
I wish Wilder's team would suggest a winner take all offer. If Joshua is so certain he would win he should take it.
God ive heard some dumb shit on this forum but this is special needs level.
Re: ESPN: Eddie Hearn to 'put an offer together' for Anthony Joshua-Deontay Wilder fight
But they don't!!
With the numbers above, the averages are 53/47 not 50/50.
I'm saying, they get an equal average % with the two fights combined, but a different amount of money. No fight generates the exact same amount of money. Just like Parker vs AJ would make less than Wilder vs AJ, but if they would get an equal % if they both made 33 1/3% of the fight. The money would still be different, but the % the same or equal. So Parker couldn't complain about getting less money, if he was getting the same %. Wilder fight would just generate more money. So an equal % would be fair. An equal average %.......
In other words, we both work in car sales. I get an a 10% commission on every sale in April, you 15%. It's reversed in May. I sell 15 cars in a April, you sell 18 cars. I sell 12 cars in April, you sell 4. Overall, yes, I did make more money. We both however had an equal % chance to earn the same income. It just worked out differently between our sales in the 2 months.
I didn't pay any attention to his actual numbers. I think the fact he was trying to state was the money would be different per fight, which it would. My point is the money would be different, but both fights combined, each fighter had an equal chance to make the same amount of money, % wise.
I'm sorry, but whatever point you are trying to make here, has failed stupendously.
It's an easy point. IF Wilder got 40% one fight, then 60% the next against Joshua, both guys are getting an equal percentage for the fight package, based on the percentages. The money would be different because no fight generates the same amount of money, but their % is equal with both fights combined.
Example, Wilder should get, at least, the 33 1/3% Parker got. That is only fair, IMO. The Wilder fight will generate more money, and just because it does, that doesn't mean Wilder should get paid what Parker got paid in his fight. That would be unfair if his fight generates more. The % would be fair, and equal, regardless how much money what the fight generates.
Re: ESPN: Eddie Hearn to 'put an offer together' for Anthony Joshua-Deontay Wilder fight
Badhusker wrote: ↑14 Apr 2018, 07:54
I refuse to even listen to Hearn's bullshit anymore. He is obviously only looking out for himself. He already said last week they could probably get away with one more fight before Wilder, so do you think he expects Wilder to accept the terms? Even if Wilder does, the date I guarantee you will be late this year.
Offering a flat $ amount is a non-starter in a fight that could be as big as this. They follow up by saying if Wilder is so certain he would win he needs to take it. Pacquiao (Arum) didn't accept a $40 million flat offer to Floyd, because he knew the % would be bigger.
I wish Wilder's team would suggest a winner take all offer. If Joshua is so certain he would win he should take it.
God ive heard some dumb poo on this forum but this is special needs level.
Another dipshit AJ nuthugger with nothing to offer other than an insult. Its always easiest to sit back and criticise instead of offering an intelligent response. Fuckk off asshole.
Re: ESPN: Eddie Hearn to 'put an offer together' for Anthony Joshua-Deontay Wilder fight
Badhusker wrote: ↑14 Apr 2018, 07:54
I refuse to even listen to Hearn's bullshit anymore. He is obviously only looking out for himself. He already said last week they could probably get away with one more fight before Wilder, so do you think he expects Wilder to accept the terms? Even if Wilder does, the date I guarantee you will be late this year.
Offering a flat $ amount is a non-starter in a fight that could be as big as this. They follow up by saying if Wilder is so certain he would win he needs to take it. Pacquiao (Arum) didn't accept a $40 million flat offer to Floyd, because he knew the % would be bigger.
I wish Wilder's team would suggest a winner take all offer. If Joshua is so certain he would win he should take it.
God ive heard some dumb poo on this forum but this is special needs level.
Another dipshit AJ nuthugger with nothing to offer other than an insult. Its always easiest to sit back and criticise instead of offering an intelligent response. Fuckk off asshole.
Heres an intelligent response. Suck my fat balls.
Re: ESPN: Eddie Hearn to 'put an offer together' for Anthony Joshua-Deontay Wilder fight
Badhusker wrote: ↑14 Apr 2018, 07:54
I refuse to even listen to Hearn's bullshit anymore. He is obviously only looking out for himself. He already said last week they could probably get away with one more fight before Wilder, so do you think he expects Wilder to accept the terms? Even if Wilder does, the date I guarantee you will be late this year.
Offering a flat $ amount is a non-starter in a fight that could be as big as this. They follow up by saying if Wilder is so certain he would win he needs to take it. Pacquiao (Arum) didn't accept a $40 million flat offer to Floyd, because he knew the % would be bigger.
I wish Wilder's team would suggest a winner take all offer. If Joshua is so certain he would win he should take it.
God ive heard some dumb poo on this forum but this is special needs level.
Another dipshit AJ nuthugger with nothing to offer other than an insult. Its always easiest to sit back and criticise instead of offering an intelligent response. Fuckk off asshole.
MODS PLEASE DO SOMETHING AGAINST THIS IDIOT!
I think AJ will gladly fight Wilder in his own backyard for a winner takes all offer, a one way rematch clause and "independent" UK doping testing, like the Americans allways do to steal time/money/avoid fights from happening against boxers above their level. It will proof AJ right in every single way. Wilder can't sell out a bingo hall, Americans cheat all the time. The fight isn't a 100m dollar fight since Wilder refuses to step up his game and on top of it Wilder will duck anyway.
Re: ESPN: Eddie Hearn to 'put an offer together' for Anthony Joshua-Deontay Wilder fight
Badhusker wrote: ↑14 Apr 2018, 07:54
I refuse to even listen to Hearn's bullshit anymore. He is obviously only looking out for himself. He already said last week they could probably get away with one more fight before Wilder, so do you think he expects Wilder to accept the terms? Even if Wilder does, the date I guarantee you will be late this year.
Offering a flat $ amount is a non-starter in a fight that could be as big as this. They follow up by saying if Wilder is so certain he would win he needs to take it. Pacquiao (Arum) didn't accept a $40 million flat offer to Floyd, because he knew the % would be bigger.
I wish Wilder's team would suggest a winner take all offer. If Joshua is so certain he would win he should take it.
Why is offering Wilder 2-3 times his biggest pay day ever a non-starter? Wilder and his team are more than welcome to make Joshua an offer, but financially are in no position to do so. Hearn is holding all the cards here, and unless Wilder is prepared to be a little more reasonable. then he'll have to walk away with his tail between his legs.
its actually 6x his biggest payday if you count for fights he actually had
as a first offer its not awful at all. if ppl work under the impression this will have a 100m pot, and so 12.5m is just 10 percent, they are being wildly unrealistic
Re: ESPN: Eddie Hearn to 'put an offer together' for Anthony Joshua-Deontay Wilder fight
Badhusker wrote: ↑14 Apr 2018, 07:54
I refuse to even listen to Hearn's bullshit anymore. He is obviously only looking out for himself. He already said last week they could probably get away with one more fight before Wilder, so do you think he expects Wilder to accept the terms? Even if Wilder does, the date I guarantee you will be late this year.
Offering a flat $ amount is a non-starter in a fight that could be as big as this. They follow up by saying if Wilder is so certain he would win he needs to take it. Pacquiao (Arum) didn't accept a $40 million flat offer to Floyd, because he knew the % would be bigger.
I wish Wilder's team would suggest a winner take all offer. If Joshua is so certain he would win he should take it.
Why is offering Wilder 2-3 times his biggest pay day ever a non-starter? Wilder and his team are more than welcome to make Joshua an offer, but financially are in no position to do so. Hearn is holding all the cards here, and unless Wilder is prepared to be a little more reasonable. then he'll have to walk away with his tail between his legs.
its actually 6x his biggest payday if you count for fights he actually had
as a first offer its not awful at all. if ppl work under the impression this will have a 100m pot, and so 12.5m is just 10 percent, they are being wildly unrealistic
They are being Wilder fans. Wilder doesn't need to bother about anything that's real for others. Not about the WBC rules, not about doping tests, not about the American laws, nothing.
Re: ESPN: Eddie Hearn to 'put an offer together' for Anthony Joshua-Deontay Wilder fight
Rob3_142 wrote: ↑15 Apr 2018, 11:36
Why is offering Wilder 2-3 times his biggest pay day ever a non-starter? Wilder and his team are more than welcome to make Joshua an offer, but financially are in no position to do so. Hearn is holding all the cards here, and unless Wilder is prepared to be a little more reasonable. then he'll have to walk away with his tail between his legs.
its actually 6x his biggest payday if you count for fights he actually had
as a first offer its not awful at all. if ppl work under the impression this will have a 100m pot, and so 12.5m is just 10 percent, they are being wildly unrealistic
They are being Wilder fans. Wilder doesn't need to bother about anything that's real for others. Not about the WBC rules, not about doping tests, not about the American laws, nothing.
Mate you know that any posts you make on threads discussing Wilder is just white noise?
Re: ESPN: Eddie Hearn to 'put an offer together' for Anthony Joshua-Deontay Wilder fight
Badhusker wrote: ↑14 Apr 2018, 07:54
I refuse to even listen to Hearn's bullshit anymore. He is obviously only looking out for himself. He already said last week they could probably get away with one more fight before Wilder, so do you think he expects Wilder to accept the terms? Even if Wilder does, the date I guarantee you will be late this year.
Offering a flat $ amount is a non-starter in a fight that could be as big as this. They follow up by saying if Wilder is so certain he would win he needs to take it. Pacquiao (Arum) didn't accept a $40 million flat offer to Floyd, because he knew the % would be bigger.
I wish Wilder's team would suggest a winner take all offer. If Joshua is so certain he would win he should take it.
Why is offering Wilder 2-3 times his biggest pay day ever a non-starter? Wilder and his team are more than welcome to make Joshua an offer, but financially are in no position to do so. Hearn is holding all the cards here, and unless Wilder is prepared to be a little more reasonable. then he'll have to walk away with his tail between his legs.
its actually 6x his biggest payday if you count for fights he actually had
as a first offer its not awful at all. if ppl work under the impression this will have a 100m pot, and so 12.5m is just 10 percent, they are being wildly unrealistic
Yeah but £100m is largely unrealistic for this fight. To get Vegas style money, both fighters need a tonne more exposure. The most money at the moment is Wembley, London, and that is only in the region of £40m.
Another dipshit AJ nuthugger with nothing to offer other than an insult. Its always easiest to sit back and criticise instead of offering an intelligent response. Fuckk off asshole.