Miller V. Johann Duhaupas

[Rob3_142]

Yeah I watched it.
Miller was dog shite. Puffed after 3 rounds and only fought in spurts the rest of the fight. Still just as easy to hit as usual, and still throwing mostly arm punches.
I think Whyte would be entertaining against him, Parker would make him look like a statue and Joshua would waste him.
No wonder Eddie wants to feed Miller to AJ, perfect patsy.

I agree with Candy in this one. One of the better posters, and always respective of your opinion, but on this occasion I can only disagree.

I thought his pace was good, his output was good, stayed busy, showed decent chin when he got knicked a few times, and thought barring the killer one punch power he was lacking there was little to complain about. Even at 300 lb he didn't look grossly overweight, and didn't excessively tire.

In regards to the bigger picture, I think he's in the frame for top 5, maybe top of tier two with the likes of Parker and Whyte. I#d personally love to see him against both Parker or Whyte, but there's no value in them, and it's obvious he is after the riches of Joshua. Be interesting to see what his next step will be.

[KiwiRider]

Slim, Rob,
I can see your sides for sure.
I can add that Miller to me, is a likeable chap with a refreshing personality. I do sincerely wish him well. He also shows flashes of skill, movement, speed, and accuracy.
After the Washington fight I have been waiting to see more from him, as I was impressed with how he dealt with a guy who have Wilder problems early on. Like both of you have alluded to, he shows great promise at the level of his last 3 outings. But at the level of Povitkin, Parker and probably Whyte, I'm unconvinced he can hang with those guys. His stamina and punch power isn't there IMO.
So we can disagree about that, and agree that there is plenty of fan friendly fights out there for Miller, and I look forward to watching them

[Rob3_142]

Slim, Rob,
I can see your sides for sure.
I can add that Miller to me, is a likeable chap with a refreshing personality. I do sincerely wish him well. He also shows flashes of skill, movement, speed, and accuracy.
After the Washington fight I have been waiting to see more from him, as I was impressed with how he dealt with a guy who have Wilder problems early on. Like both of you have alluded to, he shows great promise at the level of his last 3 outings. But at the level of Povitkin, Parker and probably Whyte, I'm unconvinced he can hang with those guys. His stamina and punch power isn't there IMO.
So we can disagree about that, and agree that there is plenty of fan friendly fights out there for Miller, and I look forward to watching them

Yeah I don't think we're too far off the same page. There's many other fringe contenders with disreputable power, which includes Parker, [prior to Browne] Whyte and Pulev, so it comes down to do they have the engine to push a pace for 12 rounds and how will they cope if they're rocked?

Many questioned Joshua's stamina, which was exposed against Klitschko, but was excellent against Parker. A lot of it will come down to the pace of the fight, the pressure from the opposing fighter and punch accuracy. If Miller can be more accurate with his punches, and learn to switch to back foot fighting from time to time, I think he can be effective over 12 rounds against most.

[Enlightened-One]

Can someone please explain the nature of the WBA eliminator between Jarrell Miller and Johann Duhaupas?

According to Dougie Fischer (The RING):

"[Jarrell Miller is] rated in the top four of three sanctioning organizations (WBA, IBF and WBO – he’s somehow become the WBA’s mandatory over their No. 1 contender Alexander Povetkin)."

Is this a typo or has Miller jumped the queue ahead of Povetkin?

[Rob3_142]

Eh?! When did this happen?!

Maybe the WBA saw what the WBC was up to, and thought, "I can best that!"

[candyslim]

I bloody hope not. Jarrell should wait in line. I don't want to see Povetkin shat upon as Whyte has been.

You don't think Eddie has been looking at Haymon and been thinking "What I need is my own pet governing body CEO to do my bidding" do you?

[Enlightened-One]

I bloody hope not. Jarrell should wait in line. I don't want to see Povetkin shat upon as Whyte has been.

You don't think Eddie has been looking at Haymon and been thinking "What I need is my own pet governing body CEO to do my bidding" do you?

In addition to The RING (as per my previous post), ESPN are also reporting the same story about Jarrell Miller becoming the WBA’s mandatory challenger to Anthony Joshua’s heavyweight title:

"Miller is now a mandatory challenger for three-belt heavyweight champion Anthony Joshua. And with a deal between Joshua and fellow heavyweight champ Deontay Wilder yet to be made, Miller could be up next for Joshua instead."

I don’t know if this is a typo that has somehow grown into a widely reported myth, but multiple sources are suggesting that Jarrell Miller has become the WBA’s mandatory challenger to Anthony Joshua’s title and may now be ahead of Alexander Povetkin in the queue to face the Brit.

[Ruthless-RKO]

He's mandatory for winner of Manuel Charr vs. Fres Oquendo. The Regular belt

[Kalan]

I want to see Miller vs Wilder and and Povetkin vs Joshua...

Wilder and Joshua can fight next year... It will be a bigger fight... I think the 50 million dollar offer to Joshua is BS.

[Rob3_142]

I just don't understand how the WBA can install Povetkin as mandatory, not give him chance to fight the champion, and then remove him for someone else.

Surely it is a mistake? Povetkin and Rabiansky would have a field day with the lawyers.

[Ruthless-RKO]

I just don't understand how the WBA can install Povetkin as mandatory, not give him chance to fight the champion, and then remove him for someone else.

Surely it is a mistake? Povetkin and Rabiansky would have a field day with the lawyers.

It's the regular belt.

[Rob3_142]

I just don't understand how the WBA can install Povetkin as mandatory, not give him chance to fight the champion, and then remove him for someone else.

Surely it is a mistake? Povetkin and Rabiansky would have a field day with the lawyers.

It's the regular belt.

Ah I didn't see your earlier comment. Apologies.

I can't believe we have to wait until the end of September for the regular title to be fought for.

[candyslim]

He's mandatory for winner of Manuel Charr vs. Fres Oquendo. The Regular belt

Then I've no complaints about that. That's different.

[oogiebe]

I see it as a late stoppage or DEC by Miller.

I would love to see Duhaupas do away with Big Baby.

Achaaaaaaaa...!

[oogiebe]

I bloody hope not. Jarrell should wait in line. I don't want to see Povetkin shat upon as Whyte has been.

You don't think Eddie has been looking at Haymon and been thinking "What I need is my own pet governing body CEO to do my bidding" do you?

In addition to The RING (as per my previous post), ESPN are also reporting the same story about Jarrell Miller becoming the WBA’s mandatory challenger to Anthony Joshua’s heavyweight title:

"Miller is now a mandatory challenger for three-belt heavyweight champion Anthony Joshua. And with a deal between Joshua and fellow heavyweight champ Deontay Wilder yet to be made, Miller could be up next for Joshua instead."

I don’t know if this is a typo that has somehow grown into a widely reported myth, but multiple sources are suggesting that Jarrell Miller has become the WBA’s mandatory challenger to Anthony Joshua’s title and may now be ahead of Alexander Povetkin in the queue to face the Brit.

IF true I like Miller v. Joshua as an interesting answer to a lot of questions on both fighters.

[candyslim]

I think the biggest threat to Joshua is Deontay Wilder (no surprises there, sorry) but after Wilder I would rate the next biggest threat either Ortiz or Miller.

I know many posters will think that's nuts but I'll live with that.

[candyslim]

I see it as a late stoppage or DEC by Miller.

I would love to see Duhaupas do away with Big Baby.

Achaaaaaaaa...!

Achaaaa ? To me that's an expression from the Indian sub-continent meaning "agreed" but I'm thinking that although that is a sentiment you would endorse, you are probably not much exposed to Urdu or whatever language that's from.

edit: yes of course you'd endorse it. I only just noticed it's your own post you've quoted ... doh!

It's funny you know, whenever I find myself not understanding something on box-rec and needing an interpreter, it's usually an American, a native speaker of English, that is the cause. How ironic is that?

The most prolific offender was a very good poster called "Tanzio" who no longer posts here. I'm sure there's a story there I'm not party to. Oh Tanzio, Tanzio where fore art thou ? ... we seem to have lost quite a few good posters recently

[Luis Fernando12]

I don't think Pulev would be interested in fighting Miller unless it was ordered by one of the governing bodies. Even then I get the impression he'd rather not be troubled with these pesky eliminators, and would cheerfully forego any title shot if they'd only just leave him alone.

As to the questions you asked, there are such guys although he is good enough to make that list a rather short and exclusive one. You named two of them in Whyte and Parker. I would add Ortiz to that list ,maybe Povetkin but I think Miller is all wrong for him. After that I'm struggling: Possibly Breazeale, possibly Takam, possibly Ruiz, ... Kabayel? Joe Joyce even?

To me the third best heavyweight in the world is between Miller, Parker, Whyte and Ortiz - sorry Sasha.

Gotta agree with this. Because Sasha is more of a light heavyweight / cruiser weight than a real heavyweight by modern standard.

Just in case you're not aware, light heavyweight is 175 lb. Around 55 lb lighter than Povetkin's last fighting weight. Please stop saying stupid things.

Povetkin is no bigger than Oleksandr Usyk. In fact, he is smaller in terms of functional weight / size. The same Usyk who went life and death against light heavyweight Artur Beterbiev and was dropped by him too. Povetkin also had one of his toughest fights against cruiser weight Marco Huck.

I am fully aware of more than you might think. Keep posting Ad Hominem attacks and keep exposing your level of competency.

[Luis Fernando12]

I don't think Pulev would be interested in fighting Miller unless it was ordered by one of the governing bodies. Even then I get the impression he'd rather not be troubled with these pesky eliminators, and would cheerfully forego any title shot if they'd only just leave him alone.

As to the questions you asked, there are such guys although he is good enough to make that list a rather short and exclusive one. You named two of them in Whyte and Parker. I would add Ortiz to that list ,maybe Povetkin but I think Miller is all wrong for him. After that I'm struggling: Possibly Breazeale, possibly Takam, possibly Ruiz, ... Kabayel? Joe Joyce even?

To me the third best heavyweight in the world is between Miller, Parker, Whyte and Ortiz - sorry Sasha.

Gotta agree with this. Because Sasha is more of a light heavyweight / cruiser weight than a real heavyweight by modern standard.

The dude is 6'2" and about 225 lbs.

Some light heavyweight.

Still fixated on a competent heavyweight being 7' 300 lbs, are you?

Povetkin is 6 foot 1 and has a ton of body fat in him. Excluding all the body fat (non-functional weight), he is at most, a cruiser weight. He is no bigger than Oleksandr Usyk in terms of functional weight and size.

Since 2000, all the number 1 dominant heavyweight champs have weighed 240+ pounds of mainly muscles with very little body fat, or have been taller than 6 foot 3 inches in height or both. Is this a coincidence or is it more appropriate to infer that a prerequisite to be a respectable and a credible heavyweight today is to at least weigh 240 pounds of mostly muscles with very little body fat, or be taller than 6 foot 3 inches in height or both?

Why haven't there been any number 1 dominant heavyweight champs of Povetkin's size since 2000? The best heavyweights have been bigger super heavyweights? Why is that?

How is it humanly possible, within the laws of physics and science for a heavyweight of Povetkin's size to deal with the tactics Wladimir Klitschko used against him? Since you seem to be one of those people who supports such tactics.

[SenorPipino]

I don't care about the tactics a bigger man might use.

Superior talent negates size. If Klitschko beats Povetkin, it was his talent that paved the way.

Repeatedly insist that size trumps all and you fall into the mindset that Chamberlain would have beaten Ali cuz Wiltie was a super heavyweight while Ali was a 6'3" 220 lb. munchkin.

[oogiebe]

I don't care about the tactics a bigger man might use.

Superior talent negates size. If Klitschko beats Povetkin, it was his talent that paved the way.

Repeatedly insist that size trumps all and you fall into the mindset that Chamberlain would have beaten Ali cuz Wiltie was a super heavyweight while Ali was a 6'3" 220 lb. munchkin.

Agreed. Size only matters when the bloke can actually fight.

[Mexi-Box]

Gotta agree with this. Because Sasha is more of a light heavyweight / cruiser weight than a real heavyweight by modern standard.

The dude is 6'2" and about 225 lbs.

Some light heavyweight.

Still fixated on a competent heavyweight being 7' 300 lbs, are you?

Povetkin is 6 foot 1 and has a ton of body fat in him. Excluding all the body fat (non-functional weight), he is at most, a cruiser weight. He is no bigger than Oleksandr Usyk in terms of functional weight and size.

Since 2000, all the number 1 dominant heavyweight champs have weighed 240+ pounds of mainly muscles with very little body fat, or have been taller than 6 foot 3 inches in height or both. Is this a coincidence or is it more appropriate to infer that a prerequisite to be a respectable and a credible heavyweight today is to at least weigh 240 pounds of mostly muscles with very little body fat, or be taller than 6 foot 3 inches in height or both?

Why haven't there been any number 1 dominant heavyweight champs of Povetkin's size since 2000? The best heavyweights have been bigger super heavyweights? Why is that?

How is it humanly possible, within the laws of physics and science for a heavyweight of Povetkin's size to deal with the tactics Wladimir Klitschko used against him? Since you seem to be one of those people who supports such tactics.

Usyk is a HW that can make CW. Povetkin is no CW either. By the way, Usyk struggles against smaller guys, but he's dominant against big guys. Watch him school big Joe Joyce.

Huck was dirty and rabbit punching Povetkin constantly in their fight.

[oogiebe]

To think Pedvetkin is a blown up CW is ludicrous.

[Kalan]

I don't care about the tactics a bigger man might use.

Superior talent negates size. If Klitschko beats Povetkin, it was his talent that paved the way.

Repeatedly insist that size trumps all and you fall into the mindset that Chamberlain would have beaten Ali cuz Wiltie was a super heavyweight while Ali was a 6'3" 220 lb. munchkin.

Povetkin was an extremely solid 6'2" X 226 at his best and only lost to Wladimir in his prime... AP was bigger than Sonny Liston... Ali was never 220 at his best... He weighed 201 for the Cooper rematch so Ali was a Cruiserweight... Povetkin wasn't.

Wilt Chamberlain was NOT a formidable opponent for Ali based on his size and height...

There are literally THOUSANDS of people in the world who stand over 7' tall... Only ONE in every 74 seven-foot basketball players makes it to the NBA... Most of those 7-footers who make the NBA ride the bench... When they need a shot blocker or extra rebounder they'll call on them because they lack the speed, coordination, endurance, and athleticism to play both ends of the court very well... Chamberlain once AVERAGED over 50 points a game for an entire season while also leading in rebounding. He was the best ATHLETE in the NBA... NOT the tallest guy.

It was Chamberlain's speed, athleticism, punching power, and overall potential as a boxer that intimidated Ali into refusing to sign the contract to fight him...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF57P1uUG0s You hear Ali in this video saying "I accept your challenge.... After I fight a few more contenders.... IF I beat THEM!!!" .... Ali was scared to death of Wilt.