Team Wilder makes $50 million offer to Joshua

[boxing_rocks]

AJ said he would make the fight the next day if guaranteed $50 million.

I guess his promise was not legitimate and was just blowing smoke. All team Wilder wants to do before meeting is for them to agree on the amount like AJ said he would! THEN they can meet to negotiate the rest. They don't want to waste time negotiating the amount when they meet, which Hearn will want to do.

The thing is: Wilder's "offer" didn't guarantee anything. Hearn asked for a contract which is a guarantee, but he was told that they need to accept the "offer" first.

[Enlightened-One]

AJ said he would make the fight the next day if guaranteed $50 million.

I guess his promise was not legitimate and was just blowing smoke. All team Wilder wants to do before meeting is for them to agree on the amount like AJ said he would! THEN they can meet to negotiate the rest. They don't want to waste time negotiating the amount when they meet, which Hearn will want to do.

Negotiations aren't carried out that way.

If you think they are or should be, then you're either a child or an imbecile.

Name another high-profile fight in the history of the sport where the financial terms of a bout was agreed upon solely by social media and letters published by websites.

If you can't, then please refrain from behaving like a fûckîng troll!

You are calling me a child, imbecile, and effing troll? Wow, hopefully the mods have finally had enough of your BS devil's advocate know it all posts and give you a lengthy ban. The most irritating poster here is now calling names.....We have lost a lot of good posters because of people like you.

By the way, what I said is basically what Shelly Finkel said. Hearn is wet behind the ears compared to him with experience of putting fights together.

Do not respond to my posts anymore.

Boo hoo hoo...

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AJ said he would make the fight the next day if guaranteed $50 million.

I guess his promise was not legitimate and was just blowing smoke. All team Wilder wants to do before meeting is for them to agree on the amount like AJ said he would! THEN they can meet to negotiate the rest. They don't want to waste time negotiating the amount when they meet, which Hearn will want to do.

The key word in this post is 'guaranteed'.

Wilder's team failed to show proof that they were able to offer such a guarantee. That's all Hearn was asking for, with other details to be negotiated. Finkel threw his toys out of the pram instead. Refused to show any guarantee, and cancelled two scheduled meetings instead.

And before you say something along the lines of "oh it's Haymon, of course he has $50mil", that's irrelevant. Existence of funds, is not proof that investors are willing to risk said funds on financing any given bout. Investors expect to be shown a projected return on their investment, before signing off on funding, and that's something Haymon hasn't been providing too readily, in recent years.

Whenever a guaranteed payment of anywhere near this magnitude is offered, in boxing or in business, the side offering that payment proves existence of funds before any deal proceeds. Usually, that will be done willingly, without any demand needing to be made. Where a purse bid is made, the governing body makes the process mandatory.

Finkel flat out refused to follow a basic business practice. It's not unreasonable for Hearn to want to see where this money is, especially considering Haymon FAILED to even outbid a $7mil purse bid from Ryabinsky for a Povetkin fight. If $5mil was as much as Wilder's backers could offer for that fight, where have they suddenly found a spare $50mil for this one?

Don't come back with 'PPV and ticket sales', because that's not how the business works. If an amount is offered as a guarantee, the money is set aside up front, with the promoter (Haymon) recouping said money via those avenues later on.

[candyslim]

You're wasting your time DS. He just doesn't understand and never will. Always so quick to condemn anyone who doesn't agree with him as "stupid", then anyone gives a little back he wants them banned.

He's the perfect poster-boy for the Dunning-Kruger effect.

[Rob3_142]

AJ said he would make the fight the next day if guaranteed $50 million.

I guess his promise was not legitimate and was just blowing smoke. All team Wilder wants to do before meeting is for them to agree on the amount like AJ said he would! THEN they can meet to negotiate the rest. They don't want to waste time negotiating the amount when they meet, which Hearn will want to do.

The key word in this post is 'guaranteed'.

Wilder's team failed to show proof that they were able to offer such a guarantee. That's all Hearn was asking for, with other details to be negotiated. Finkel threw his toys out of the pram instead. Refused to show any guarantee, and cancelled two scheduled meetings instead.

And before you say something along the lines of "oh it's Haymon, of course he has $50mil", that's irrelevant. Existence of funds, is not proof that investors are willing to risk said funds on financing any given bout. Investors expect to be shown a projected return on their investment, before signing off on funding, and that's something Haymon hasn't been providing too readily, in recent years.

Whenever a guaranteed payment of anywhere near this magnitude is offered, in boxing or in business, the side offering that payment proves existence of funds before any deal proceeds. Usually, that will be done willingly, without any demand needing to be made. Where a purse bid is made, the governing body makes the process mandatory.

Finkel flat out refused to follow a basic business practice. It's not unreasonable for Hearn to want to see where this money is, especially considering Haymon FAILED to even outbid a $7mil purse bid from Ryabinsky for a Povetkin fight. If $5mil was as much as Wilder's backers could offer for that fight, where have they suddenly found a spare $50mil for this one?

Don't come back with 'PPV and ticket sales', because that's not how the business works. If an amount is offered as a guarantee, the money is set aside up front, with the promoter (Haymon) recouping said money via those avenues later on.

I'd love to see anyone argue with this post.

[Enlightened-One]

AJ said he would make the fight the next day if guaranteed $50 million.

I guess his promise was not legitimate and was just blowing smoke. All team Wilder wants to do before meeting is for them to agree on the amount like AJ said he would! THEN they can meet to negotiate the rest. They don't want to waste time negotiating the amount when they meet, which Hearn will want to do.

The key word in this post is 'guaranteed'.

Wilder's team failed to show proof that they were able to offer such a guarantee. That's all Hearn was asking for, with other details to be negotiated. Finkel threw his toys out of the pram instead. Refused to show any guarantee, and cancelled two scheduled meetings instead.

And before you say something along the lines of "oh it's Haymon, of course he has $50mil", that's irrelevant. Existence of funds, is not proof that investors are willing to risk said funds on financing any given bout. Investors expect to be shown a projected return on their investment, before signing off on funding, and that's something Haymon hasn't been providing too readily, in recent years.

Whenever a guaranteed payment of anywhere near this magnitude is offered, in boxing or in business, the side offering that payment proves existence of funds before any deal proceeds. Usually, that will be done willingly, without any demand needing to be made. Where a purse bid is made, the governing body makes the process mandatory.

Finkel flat out refused to follow a basic business practice. It's not unreasonable for Hearn to want to see where this money is, especially considering Haymon FAILED to even outbid a $7mil purse bid from Ryabinsky for a Povetkin fight. If $5mil was as much as Wilder's backers could offer for that fight, where have they suddenly found a spare $50mil for this one?

Don't come back with 'PPV and ticket sales', because that's not how the business works. If an amount is offered as a guarantee, the money is set aside up front, with the promoter (Haymon) recouping said money via those avenues later on.

I'd love to see anyone argue with this post.

I feel that only those lacking in mental capacity or possessing less than moderate intellect would attempt to argue with this stance.

In fact, the vast majority of the people that frequent this forum possess the polar opposite opinion currently held by Badhusker.

[gp.]

AJ said he would make the fight the next day if guaranteed $50 million.

I guess his promise was not legitimate and was just blowing smoke. All team Wilder wants to do before meeting is for them to agree on the amount like AJ said he would! THEN they can meet to negotiate the rest. They don't want to waste time negotiating the amount when they meet, which Hearn will want to do.

Negotiations aren't carried out that way.

If you think they are or should be, then you're either a child or an imbecile.

Name another high-profile fight in the history of the sport where the financial terms of a bout was agreed upon solely by social media and letters published by websites.

If you can't, then please refrain from behaving like a fûckîng troll!

You are calling me a child, imbecile, and effing troll? Wow, hopefully the mods have finally had enough of your BS devil's advocate know it all posts and give you a lengthy ban. The most irritating poster here is now calling names.....We have lost a lot of good posters because of people like you.

By the way, what I said is basically what Shelly Finkel said. Hearn is wet behind the ears compared to him with experience of putting fights together.

Do not respond to my posts anymore.

Fair enough, I will respond instead. You are a child, an imbecile, and a..... actually I don't know that you;re a troll, I think you really are as fornicating stupid as you seem.

Anyone, with any sense, can see that what you are saying is puerile bullshit that most 12 year olds would recognise as such.

Feel free to report to the mods. I barely post and a ban won't bother me. But you are a moronic pudendum and you need to be told that by enough different people that you learn. RL conversation was never moderated and morons got told so often they were morons, they learned. The internet lets people like you thrive, which is why we have shit like Trump.

[candyslim]

I really must protest at your calling badhusker a moronic pudendum.

Pudenda bring pleasure and are good things to have around.

I can't argue with "moronic" though.

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I really must protest at your calling badhusker a moronic pudendum.

Pudenda bring pleasure and are good things to have around.

I can't argue with "moronic" though.

I apologise to pudenda everywhere for associating them with that wanker.

[dickbelden]

[candyslim]

I love to watch Deontay fight. I'm not saying he's got great skills but the man is very exciting to watch in action, in fact he's almost as good to watch as he is bad to listen to.

I clicked on that video above, saw it was 13+ minutes and aborted. No way am I putting myself through 13 mins of his self-glorifying propaganda bulllshit, I'd rather listen to 13 mins of a walrus calling for its mate.

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I love to watch Deontay fight. I'm not saying he's got great skills but the man is very exciting to watch in action, in fact he's almost as good to watch as he is bad to listen to.

I clicked on that video above, saw it was 13+ minutes and aborted. No way am I putting myself through 13 mins of his self-glorifying propaganda bulllshit, I'd rather listen to 13 mins of a walrus calling for its mate.

I skipped through; it's appears just to be yet another person who doesn't understand basic business and thinks you agree the money in a deal before any of the "minor stuff", like what you are actually buying. Apparently there's no point having, you know, an actual business meeting unless all the headline figures have been agreed through Twitter beforehand.

[jamamb]

thats pretty much just stuff from american boxing blacktube posters, who are always hugely biased towards african american fighters. lol im surprised he hasnt posted a dontes boxing nation video yet!

it would be like having a povetkin vs wilder thread, and then posting a bunch of vids from the precise presenter guy who used to be around on youtube (he might be around again). the guy who was basically the soviet equivalent of the guys above

[oogiebe]

Should I bother reading through the thread or is it as I fear...fake boxing news bs?

[oogiebe]

Has Wilder headlined PPV with either HBO or Showtime? if not why would one side offer $50m, when their fighter has not been tested on PPV in the US market.

I don't' believe Wilder has ever even been on PPV. (I could be wrong, But I don't remember it)

[dirk2686]

Should I bother reading through the thread or is it as I fear...fake boxing news bs?

Don't bother. The house analogy works best for anyone thinking the Wilder offer is reasonable.

You're selling, and I'm buying. Your house is on the market for 500k but I tell you I'll pay you 750k. On one condition; you have to accept within 24 hours, and there are no further details available to you before you sign to accept.

If you're the type who thinks Wilder's offer is legit and Hearn asking for more details/time/evidence/meetings is a blatant duck, you sign. Why wouldn't you? You're getting an extra quarter of a million and your house is sold in a day! Win win.

Then I reveal that the payment structure is a dollar a week for 750,000 weeks and the move out day is today. So, you know - best start packing, pleasure doing business, dollar #1 will be in your account Friday.

[oogiebe]

Should I bother reading through the thread or is it as I fear...fake boxing news bs?

Don't bother. The house analogy works best for anyone thinking the Wilder offer is reasonable.

You're selling, and I'm buying. Your house is on the market for 500k but I tell you I'll pay you 750k. On one condition; you have to accept within 24 hours, and there are no further details available to you before you sign to accept.

If you're the type who thinks Wilder's offer is legit and Hearn asking for more details/time/evidence/meetings is a blatant duck, you sign. Why wouldn't you? You're getting an extra quarter of a million and your house is sold in a day! Win win.

Then I reveal that the payment structure is a dollar a week for 750,000 weeks and the move out day is today. So, you know - best start packing, pleasure doing business, dollar #1 will be in your account Friday.

No doubt that AJ is the seller at this point. Agreed.

[candyslim]

Should I bother reading through the thread or is it as I fear...fake boxing news bs?

Don't bother. The house analogy works best for anyone thinking the Wilder offer is reasonable.

You're selling, and I'm buying. Your house is on the market for 500k but I tell you I'll pay you 750k. On one condition; you have to accept within 24 hours, and there are no further details available to you before you sign to accept.

If you're the type who thinks Wilder's offer is legit and Hearn asking for more details/time/evidence/meetings is a blatant duck, you sign. Why wouldn't you? You're getting an extra quarter of a million and your house is sold in a day! Win win.

Then I reveal that the payment structure is a dollar a week for 750,000 weeks and the move out day is today. So, you know - best start packing, pleasure doing business, dollar #1 will be in your account Friday.

I love it. That's excellent !

[nmhz]

Did Hearn show Wilder the contract and prove the source of money and the contract before they expected Wilder to agree to the verbal offer? Did Wilder ever see a contract? No, No, and No. .

But neither Wilder or his team asked to see proof of funds or a contract. Hearns offer was ignored completley.

To think it is unproffesional asking for a contract when making a deal of this size, is absurd.

The house purchase comparrison above is a good example

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Did Hearn show Wilder the contract and prove the source of money and the contract before they expected Wilder to agree to the verbal offer? Did Wilder ever see a contract? No, No, and No. .

But neither Wilder or his team asked to see proof of funds or a contract. Hearns offer was ignored completley.

To think it is unproffesional asking for a contract when making a deal of this size, is absurd.

The house purchase comparrison above is a good example

He doesn't seem to be replying to anyone who actually brings up a valid point.

My own post about standard business practices further up went completely ignored. He spent his time replying to someone else instead, over 'name calling' - also completely ignoring the equally valid point made by the person he could be bothered responding to, who had called him a troll. Apparently, only that part mattered. Valid points? Shhh... we don't want to be discussing those around these parts.

If you're from the UK, we've got a fair few politicians at the moment who follow the same set of debating tactics...

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Did Hearn show Wilder the contract and prove the source of money and the contract before they expected Wilder to agree to the verbal offer? Did Wilder ever see a contract? No, No, and No. .

But neither Wilder or his team asked to see proof of funds or a contract. Hearns offer was ignored completley.

To think it is unproffesional asking for a contract when making a deal of this size, is absurd.

The house purchase comparrison above is a good example

Indeed. There are two appropriate responses to a vague offer of this kind. "No, not worth thinking about" or "Ok, let's talk."

Wilder and Haymon said "no" to Hearn's offer. Hearn has responded to theirs with "OK, let's talk." There's absolutely nothing more positive he could have said, or anyone would have said. It's a an astonishingly childish way for the Wilder/Haymon side to behave. Who do they think they are fooling?

[dickbelden]

http://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/2 ... one-man-be

[Enlightened-One]

The topic of this thread is showing signs of fatigue.

People are more interested in the headline claims than considering true business etiquette.

Those people in the media that have endorsed Team Wilder's conduct, usually have an agenda or are biased.

Joshua will face Povetkin next.

Wilder will face Breazeale next.

Team Wilder will be pleased that their antics have gained much needed media exposure.

Eddie Hearn will be pleased that the so-called WWE style "controversy" has raised 'The Bronze Bomber's' media profile as it elevates the likely commercial success of a Joshua-Wilder super-fight.

[candyslim]

Did Hearn show Wilder the contract and prove the source of money and the contract before they expected Wilder to agree to the verbal offer? Did Wilder ever see a contract? No, No, and No. .

But neither Wilder or his team asked to see proof of funds or a contract. Hearns offer was ignored completley.

To think it is unproffesional asking for a contract when making a deal of this size, is absurd.

The house purchase comparrison above is a good example

He doesn't seem to be replying to anyone who actually brings up a valid point.

My own post about standard business practices further up went completely ignored. He spent his time replying to someone else instead, over 'name calling' - also completely ignoring the equally valid point made by the person he could be bothered responding to, who had called him a troll. Apparently, only that part mattered. Valid points? Shhh... we don't want to be discussing those around these parts.

If you're from the UK, we've got a fair few politicians at the moment who follow the same set of debating tactics...

It's always the same. He posts some ignorant hate-filled bullshit then refuses to engage when you call him on it. Then days or even hours later he's back like a weed posting the same shite.

There are one or two obvious trolls wha visit occasionally, that would give him a run for his money, but if you just limit it to regular posters he is the most pointless and irritating contributor by some distance.

[candyslim]

That's a good point EO it even occurred to me that Eddie might have put Dibella up to it. You know what they say about bad publicity (no such thing as).