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SenorPipino wrote: ↑13 Sep 2018, 22:02

mickey1975 wrote: ↑13 Sep 2018, 18:53

SenorPipino wrote: ↑13 Sep 2018, 18:17

It's only official when it's announced and so far, no announcenent.

Wilder said that Warren would make it official this week. But the week is going by quickly.

November is now out the window. Too soon.

More likely it will be 2019, if it happens at all. PPV's around Christmas never draw as well.

Floyd-Hatton?

What was the date on that? I guess you mean it was in December.

At least in the US, that wasn't a huge PPV offering. Mayweather was a name back then but it wasn't yet household .

And Hatton was just another challenger.

It was hardly a PPV must see.

They did hold De la Hoya vs Pacquiao in early December. It did pretty good as I recall but not outstanding.

In December, many fans without unlimited disposable income are saving up for Christmas.

They have to cut down on frills to afford some cheap presents for the in-laws.

And while most of you thankfully would never consider boxing PPV's a frill, there is a sizeable number of fringe fans out there who do. So PPV buys drop in December.

Wilder-Fury would be a tough enough sell any month of the year in the US.

Putting it on opposite the shopping season would present a huge obstacle to any success.

Mayweather was a household name then as it was his first fight after De La Hoya.

I can't see this selling well in the US at all anyway. Wilder isn't a household name and Fury hasn't fought on American TV since the Klitschko fight and that was a stinker.

ya i agree, but there are seriously some ppl here who think wilder is gonna do 1m+ on his american ppv debut

Unless announced today it's not been fully signed or else the date and venue would have been announced a few days later.

Poor from all involved. There was hype in the press after the Pianeta sparring session and now they lost momentum.

Then again even if they do announce the date it is Fury we are talking about so you can never be certain a fight is happening anyway.

SenorPipino wrote: ↑13 Sep 2018, 22:02

mickey1975 wrote: ↑13 Sep 2018, 18:53

SenorPipino wrote: ↑13 Sep 2018, 18:17

It's only official when it's announced and so far, no announcenent.

Wilder said that Warren would make it official this week. But the week is going by quickly.

November is now out the window. Too soon.

More likely it will be 2019, if it happens at all. PPV's around Christmas never draw as well.

Floyd-Hatton?

What was the date on that? I guess you mean it was in December.

At least in the US, that wasn't a huge PPV offering. Mayweather was a name back then but it wasn't yet household .

And Hatton was just another challenger.

It was hardly a PPV must see.

They did hold De la Hoya vs Pacquiao in early December. It did pretty good as I recall but not outstanding.

In December, many fans without unlimited disposable income are saving up for Christmas.

They have to cut down on frills to afford some cheap presents for the in-laws.

And while most of you thankfully would never consider boxing PPV's a frill, there is a sizeable number of fringe fans out there who do. So PPV buys drop in December.

Wilder-Fury would be a tough enough sell any month of the year in the US.

Putting it on opposite the shopping season would present a huge obstacle to any success.

Yes, In the U.K.
It did 1.4million at 4.00am. A lot more than most US do at prime time!

In terms of PPV I would probably pay if there is a decent undercard.

Showtime /PBC don't have any fights official at the moment so they could be a decent card if they wanted,

mickey1975 wrote: ↑14 Sep 2018, 02:34

SenorPipino wrote: ↑13 Sep 2018, 22:02

mickey1975 wrote: ↑13 Sep 2018, 18:53
Floyd-Hatton?

What was the date on that? I guess you mean it was in December.

At least in the US, that wasn't a huge PPV offering. Mayweather was a name back then but it wasn't yet household .

And Hatton was just another challenger.

It was hardly a PPV must see.

They did hold De la Hoya vs Pacquiao in early December. It did pretty good as I recall but not outstanding.

In December, many fans without unlimited disposable income are saving up for Christmas.

They have to cut down on frills to afford some cheap presents for the in-laws.

And while most of you thankfully would never consider boxing PPV's a frill, there is a sizeable number of fringe fans out there who do. So PPV buys drop in December.

Wilder-Fury would be a tough enough sell any month of the year in the US.

Putting it on opposite the shopping season would present a huge obstacle to any success.

Yes, In the U.K.
It did 1.4million at 4.00am. A lot more than most US do at prime time!

This fight is nowhere near as big as that though. That was an era defining fight at the time.

It could possibly do decent numbers in the UK, but the over saturation of PPVs in the UK won't help.

If it is December 1st then that will probably see a good chunk of people watching in the UK.

It will probably do 1m plus in the UK because you have 2 massive gobshites who when they start there media tour will throw trash, tables and start kicking off to build hype.

But December 1st is 11weeks away. Surely for this fight, neither fighter will want to be doing media tours that consist off flights around the states (probably 2 press conferences, Vegas, plus one of either Alabama or NY) & a trip to the UK with possibly one in Manchester & maybe one in Belfast(we know fury loves his Irish heritage)

That would easily take 10 days out of a fighters schedule, take away fight week & your suddenly looking at 9 weeks training for what is probably the hardest fight of each others career.
I know they will be in the gym right now, but until it is announced, anything can happen.

SenorPipino wrote: ↑13 Sep 2018, 22:02

mickey1975 wrote: ↑13 Sep 2018, 18:53 Floyd-Hatton?

What was the date on that? I guess you mean it was in December.

At least in the US, that wasn't a huge PPV offering. Mayweather was a name back then but it wasn't yet household .

And Hatton was just another challenger.

It was hardly a PPV must see.

They did hold De la Hoya vs Pacquiao in early December. It did pretty good as I recall but not outstanding.

Mayweather vs. Hatton was 8th December.. did around 920,000 buys on HBO and around the same number on Sky Box Office..

De La Hoya vs. Pacquiao was 6th December.. did around 1,250,000 in USA

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑14 Sep 2018, 05:39

SenorPipino wrote: ↑13 Sep 2018, 22:02

mickey1975 wrote: ↑13 Sep 2018, 18:53 Floyd-Hatton?

What was the date on that? I guess you mean it was in December.

At least in the US, that wasn't a huge PPV offering. Mayweather was a name back then but it wasn't yet household .

And Hatton was just another challenger.

It was hardly a PPV must see.

They did hold De la Hoya vs Pacquiao in early December. It did pretty good as I recall but not outstanding.

Mayweather vs. Hatton was 8th December.. did around 920,000 buys on HBO and around the same number on Sky Box Office..

De La Hoya vs. Pacquiao was 6th December.. did around 1,250,000 in USA

I’ve seen 1.2m-1.4m quoted. It was always the one to beat until AJ-Wlad.

SenorPipino wrote: ↑13 Sep 2018, 22:02

mickey1975 wrote: ↑13 Sep 2018, 18:53

SenorPipino wrote: ↑13 Sep 2018, 18:17

It's only official when it's announced and so far, no announcenent.

Wilder said that Warren would make it official this week. But the week is going by quickly.

November is now out the window. Too soon.

More likely it will be 2019, if it happens at all. PPV's around Christmas never draw as well.

Floyd-Hatton?

What was the date on that? I guess you mean it was in December.

At least in the US, that wasn't a huge PPV offering. Mayweather was a name back then but it wasn't yet household .

And Hatton was just another challenger.

It was hardly a PPV must see.

They did hold De la Hoya vs Pacquiao in early December. It did pretty good as I recall but not outstanding.

In December, many fans without unlimited disposable income are saving up for Christmas.

They have to cut down on frills to afford some cheap presents for the in-laws.

And while most of you thankfully would never consider boxing PPV's a frill, there is a sizeable number of fringe fans out there who do. So PPV buys drop in December.

Wilder-Fury would be a tough enough sell any month of the year in the US.

Putting it on opposite the shopping season would present a huge obstacle to any success.

I'm not sure how PPV works in the US, but with Sky Box Office the payment tends to defer to the following month.

So a PPV early November would actually have more effect on people's Christmas shopping than one in early December.

I understand that a PPV within a few days of Christmas will sell less as people are probably visiting and staying with family and obviously aren't at home to buy it.

A PPV in mid-December would still do quite well in the UK I imagine.

Not sure about the US though, but Wilder only seems to be something of a cult icon out there so I imagine it would do underwhelming numbers regardless of the date.

Unless they hype it to death and turn it into a monster, which could well happen.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑14 Sep 2018, 06:31

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑14 Sep 2018, 05:39

SenorPipino wrote: ↑13 Sep 2018, 22:02

What was the date on that? I guess you mean it was in December.

At least in the US, that wasn't a huge PPV offering. Mayweather was a name back then but it wasn't yet household .

And Hatton was just another challenger.

It was hardly a PPV must see.

They did hold De la Hoya vs Pacquiao in early December. It did pretty good as I recall but not outstanding.

Mayweather vs. Hatton was 8th December.. did around 920,000 buys on HBO and around the same number on Sky Box Office..

De La Hoya vs. Pacquiao was 6th December.. did around 1,250,000 in USA

I’ve seen 1.2m-1.4m quoted. It was always the one to beat until AJ-Wlad.

I've seen a figure of 1.15 million quoted.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑14 Sep 2018, 05:39

SenorPipino wrote: ↑13 Sep 2018, 22:02

mickey1975 wrote: ↑13 Sep 2018, 18:53 Floyd-Hatton?

What was the date on that? I guess you mean it was in December.

At least in the US, that wasn't a huge PPV offering. Mayweather was a name back then but it wasn't yet household .

And Hatton was just another challenger.

It was hardly a PPV must see.

They did hold De la Hoya vs Pacquiao in early December. It did pretty good as I recall but not outstanding.

Mayweather vs. Hatton was 8th December.. did around 920,000 buys on HBO and around the same number on Sky Box Office..

De La Hoya vs. Pacquiao was 6th December.. did around 1,250,000 in USA

The numbers I dug up were 850,000 for Mayweather-Hatton which is lower than the figure reported in Boxrec.

De La Hoya-Pacquiao stands at 1.25 million.

Both fights held during the early part of December. That would have to be the cutoff point for a major PPV telecast.

Anything later would be held back until after the New Year.

Right now there's only 10 weeks until Dec. 1. Just can't see that short window working to sell it in the US.

There's speculation that if it does happen, and whatever the date, Warren will announce it right before Joshua-Povetkin to take some of the shine off that promotion.

Anything to wound Hearn.

Datsue wrote: ↑13 Sep 2018, 06:14

lillywhite14 wrote: ↑12 Sep 2018, 15:27
Very unlikely of course but he’s mixed with giants in the ams and beat them with ease too.
Hearn will be building it ASAP I reckon. Uysk is brilliant and in terms of sheer talent is light years ahead of Joshua, Wilder and Fury. They only prevail against him based on size.

On that note, I always thought that Usyk's amateur (semi-amateur, WSB, whatever it counts as when it's at home) win over Joyce revealed that Joyce is actually a proper throwback.

A throwback to when enormo-sized heavies were big, slow & uncoordinated, that is.

(Sorry if that seems a bit cruel, I mention it only 'cos Wilder/Fury/Joshua seem so markedly different in physical coordination & athletic ability compared to the likes of Joyce, who for me represents what old-timers used to say when they dissed really big dudes like Buddy Baer & Carnera & guys like that).

I think that's harsh on Joyce - have you seen his capoiera (sp?).
He was plodding and slow because because of his lack of experience - he only started @ 22 and he's still improving rapidly.

skanksta wrote: ↑14 Sep 2018, 10:21
I think that's harsh on Joyce - have you seen his capoiera (sp?).
He was plodding and slow because because of his lack of experience - he only started @ 22 and he's still improving rapidly.

No mate, I haven't seen his capoeira. I don't really see what bearing that has on his boxing, TBH.

Joyce has undoubtedly improved since the Usyk fight but in the first ten seconds vs Thomas he squared up & walked straight on to a left hand smack flush on the chin the exact same way he did versus that big Russian bruiser who walked into him & smashed him to bits in 100 seconds in the ams.

He's what, 32? Obviously he's done well if he only started at 22 but Wilder's a wild oaf & Joshua can be robotic & Fury's an awkward bugger & I still stand by the comment that all three of them are like a different species compared to Joyce. There's literally no comparison between Joyce & their movement & their natural aptitude for boxing & ease in the ring & I also stand by the comment that Joyce reminds me of what super-sized heavies used to move & look like back in the day.

If Usyk fought Joyce again tomorrow he'd put the same kind of performance together & I think would beat him wider.

Frank has an interview with IFL stating that the first press conference will be Monday.

Mmmmmm I wonder why that would be? Desperate tactics to take the limelight away from a potential AJ win.

well hopefully its a good sign the fights actually gonna happen this year. but fwank said right after fury-pianeta theyd be annocuning the fight the following week and yet nothing

nitro5912 wrote: ↑18 Sep 2018, 01:00 Frank has an interview with IFL stating that the first press conference will be Monday.

Mmmmmm I wonder why that would be? Desperate tactics to take the limelight away from a potential AJ win.

Having the press conference during fight week would have been a better move.

Great opportunity to have two outspoken loud mouths slagoff AJ, claim Povetkin is a cherry pick and call this weekend's fight a miss match (which is massively unfair on Povetkin imo).

The fact that it keeps getting pushed back doesn't fill me with confidence.

I can only imagine Wilder really wanting this fight, since Fury doesn't have Joshua's power to intimidate him with, and at the same time there's now a small chance of Povetkin upsetting the cart in his favour. But if Joshua blasts out Pov, we're probably back to AJ and Wilder not wanting each other!

I believe they both want Fury.

Grilling Machine wrote: ↑18 Sep 2018, 22:58 I can only imagine Wilder really wanting this fight, since Fury doesn't have Joshua's power to intimidate him with, and at the same time there's now a small chance of Povetkin upsetting the cart in his favour. But if Joshua blasts out Pov, we're probably back to AJ and Wilder not wanting each other!

I believe they both want Fury.

AJ doesn’t want Fury yet. He said he will only fight him when he’s back to his best.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑19 Sep 2018, 03:15

Grilling Machine wrote: ↑18 Sep 2018, 22:58 I can only imagine Wilder really wanting this fight, since Fury doesn't have Joshua's power to intimidate him with, and at the same time there's now a small chance of Povetkin upsetting the cart in his favour. But if Joshua blasts out Pov, we're probably back to AJ and Wilder not wanting each other!

I believe they both want Fury.

AJ doesn’t want Fury yet. He said he will only fight him when he’s back to his best.

Quack quack.

Absolute bollocks. Why would AJ not want to beat him as soon as possible?

MarkMcBurney wrote: ↑19 Sep 2018, 04:36

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑19 Sep 2018, 03:15

Grilling Machine wrote: ↑18 Sep 2018, 22:58 I can only imagine Wilder really wanting this fight, since Fury doesn't have Joshua's power to intimidate him with, and at the same time there's now a small chance of Povetkin upsetting the cart in his favour. But if Joshua blasts out Pov, we're probably back to AJ and Wilder not wanting each other!

I believe they both want Fury.

AJ doesn’t want Fury yet. He said he will only fight him when he’s back to his best.

Quack quack.

Absolute bollocks. Why would AJ not want to beat him as soon as possible?

He says that he doesn't get credit for beating wlad who had 17months off. Imagine if he beat fury who only had 2 fights after a 3yr layoff, he could KO him in one and all his boo boys(the majority ofso called hardcore fans) would say he beat a shadow of fury at his best.

nitro5912 wrote: ↑19 Sep 2018, 04:39

MarkMcBurney wrote: ↑19 Sep 2018, 04:36

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑19 Sep 2018, 03:15

AJ doesn’t want Fury yet. He said he will only fight him when he’s back to his best.

Quack quack.

Absolute bollocks. Why would AJ not want to beat him as soon as possible?

He says that he doesn't get credit for beating wlad who had 17months off. Imagine if he beat fury who only had 2 fights after a 3yr layoff, he could KO him in one and all his boo boys(the majority ofso called hardcore fans) would say he beat a shadow of fury at his best.

He might say that, but he'd be talking shite. He gets a degree of credit for beating Wlad, however some people rightly point out he went life and death with someone a year and a half on from being completely outboxed by Fury. It's still a good win, however you dress it up.

If he beat an inactive Fury, people would still moan about it but you beat who is in front of you, when looking at his legacy in years to come, beating Fury would mean he becomes lineal champion.

The sort of people who don't give him credit for beating WK would find some other way to criticise him anyway - that's life in the public eye.

nitro5912 wrote: ↑19 Sep 2018, 04:39

MarkMcBurney wrote: ↑19 Sep 2018, 04:36

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑19 Sep 2018, 03:15

AJ doesn’t want Fury yet. He said he will only fight him when he’s back to his best.

Quack quack.

Absolute bollocks. Why would AJ not want to beat him as soon as possible?

He says that he doesn't get credit for beating wlad who had 17months off. Imagine if he beat fury who only had 2 fights after a 3yr layoff, he could KO him in one and all his boo boys(the majority ofso called hardcore fans) would say he beat a shadow of fury at his best.

Exactly. AJ get's more credit if he beats the best possible version of Fury..

Its all dribble and bollocks , Fighting him or not fighting Fury , because he's not at his best is crap , If he wants to fight people at there best he could fight Wilder , , he could fight Ortiz , and don't for one minuite think that Mckracken and AJ are not in charge , they are the men THEY decide who , what , and where , If it was for legacy they TELL Hearn whats what.

They don't want Wilder yet anyway , there waiting for him to slow or get beat , they don't want Fury , yet , there not sure how much he has in the tank , and there not stupid they know , Fury is not gonna bring out his A game until he meets a A class opponent , his dad says , my son had a lay off and beat the best , he can do it again , and they really think it , Mckracken knows this and knows it all to well , They want the Fury Wilder fight , it gives them a look at where they both . (wilder and fury ) really are .. Why do you think Ortiz is not in the mix , convieniently always left out , There happy to buils up a Whyte , rematch or Miller matchup , there sure of a win , and that takes care of the next 10 months , taking them up till the end of 2019 , beginning of 2020

There's zero doubt that Wilder-Fury gives AJ an accurate review of both. The outcome to that is either good or bad news for him.