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caldo2025 wrote: ↑25 Oct 2018, 13:09

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑24 Oct 2018, 23:18

caldo2025 wrote: ↑24 Oct 2018, 07:31

I disagree with you completely but we all have our favorites and you picked a good one. I've seen them all and i've never seen anyone EVER that I could say "He'd definitely beat GGG". Not one of them. No one has beaten GGG still and everyone knows it. He's been a great champion and great for the sport.

I'm more of a ggg fan than I was of hagler. I'm a hearns and Duran fan. I thought canelo won the rematch. There are no certainties in boxing, but stylistically Marvin would be a significant favorite.

Well you are in a lopsided minority in ur opinion of the rematch so that doesn’t exactly help your case when predicting imaginary battles between legends of different eras.

I’m obviously an admirer of GGG and his greatness but I can actually say that I was less sure about GGG beating Jacobs than I was with either of his fights with Canelo. In an honest arena, there’s no way GGG loses one of the 6 scorecards in total. With Jacobs, even with knockdown, Jacobs had moments that were clearly his rounds. I can’t say that 1 of those 24 rounds with Canelo was clearly Canelo’s. Oh what’s the use? You don’t really know how to score s fight so why am I wasting time?

jamamb wrote: ↑21 Oct 2018, 20:19 ggg had a similar career in accomplishment to mikkel kessler

and hagler was just levels above ggg in ability and accomplishment. watch hagler---its obvious were talking about a different level of fighter. much more smooth and skillful, faster and more mobile, and with excellent stamina, iron chin, and of course plenty of dog in him. although i agree that he wasnt robbed vs leonard

Did you really just say that GGG is similar to Kessler? Brother, you are touched. No matter how ridiculous you sound or think, GGG is an All Time Great in the Middleweight Division which is at 160 pounds if you didn't know...the toughest weight on the scale historically not including how many more benefits today's athletes have over ones 20 years ago. Do you realize how tough it is to accomplish what GGG has in today's game? The KO streak. The consecutive defenses. Kessler hasn't accomplished half of what GGG did from a historical perspective or monetarily speaking. This guy has been the ONLY boxer in the sport for years that was begging and pleading for the toughest challenges only to get screwed royally in the end. So yeah, i'm defensive when dimwits say dumb stuff like this and i'm really tired of the Canelo blowing and disrespect given to this kid.

Hagler clearly lost the fight and if you knew anything about the sport, you'd know that you really can't win a fight without scoring significant punches. Hagler had none in that fight. Same as Canelo in those 2 fights. Not once was GGG ever buzzed by anything that Canelo was throwing...you need to do some research on how to score a fight.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑25 Oct 2018, 16:40

caldo2025 wrote: ↑25 Oct 2018, 13:09

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑24 Oct 2018, 23:18

I'm more of a ggg fan than I was of hagler. I'm a hearns and Duran fan. I thought canelo won the rematch. There are no certainties in boxing, but stylistically Marvin would be a significant favorite.

Well you are in a lopsided minority in ur opinion of the rematch so that doesn’t exactly help your case when predicting imaginary battles between legends of different eras.

I’m obviously an admirer of GGG and his greatness but I can actually say that I was less sure about GGG beating Jacobs than I was with either of his fights with Canelo. In an honest arena, there’s no way GGG loses one of the 6 scorecards in total. With Jacobs, even with knockdown, Jacobs had moments that were clearly his rounds. I can’t say that 1 of those 24 rounds with Canelo was clearly Canelo’s. Oh what’s the use? You don’t really know how to score s fight so why am I wasting time?

Another dipshiit. You guys are like Gremlins...it's like you all are mulitplying, What stops this, water or something? I have to watch the movie again because it's getting crazy in here.

caldo2025 wrote: ↑26 Oct 2018, 07:47

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑25 Oct 2018, 16:40

caldo2025 wrote: ↑25 Oct 2018, 13:09

Well you are in a lopsided minority in ur opinion of the rematch so that doesn’t exactly help your case when predicting imaginary battles between legends of different eras.

I’m obviously an admirer of GGG and his greatness but I can actually say that I was less sure about GGG beating Jacobs than I was with either of his fights with Canelo. In an honest arena, there’s no way GGG loses one of the 6 scorecards in total. With Jacobs, even with knockdown, Jacobs had moments that were clearly his rounds. I can’t say that 1 of those 24 rounds with Canelo was clearly Canelo’s. Oh what’s the use? You don’t really know how to score s fight so why am I wasting time?

Another dipshiit. You guys are like Gremlins...it's like you all are mulitplying, What stops this, water or something? I have to watch the movie again because it's getting crazy in here.

All I will say about triple G not in Haglers area of greatness, nor Hopkins skill, Level Best active middleweight I have seen in my life Marvin Hagler, followed by Bernard Hopkins. and I got to think about Roy Jones..

geronimo wrote: ↑19 Oct 2018, 06:50 For you can be Gennady Golovkin put in the top 10 all time middleweight boxers?

Yes. A long title run, combined with excellent power and pound for pound skills.

victor-romeo wrote: ↑26 Oct 2018, 15:15 All I will say about triple G not in Haglers area of greatness, nor Hopkins skill, Level Best active middleweight I have seen in my life Marvin Hagler, followed by Bernard Hopkins. and I got to think about Roy Jones..

Golovkin's skills are better than Bernard's, his defense is just very economical disallowing some to see how good it actually is. Better skills (in particulat power, jab and footwork) is what allowed Golovkin to not lose at 160, while Hopkins lost and had a NC in a fight he would lose otherwise.

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑26 Oct 2018, 15:59

victor-romeo wrote: ↑26 Oct 2018, 15:15 All I will say about triple G not in Haglers area of greatness, nor Hopkins skill, Level Best active middleweight I have seen in my life Marvin Hagler, followed by Bernard Hopkins. and I got to think about Roy Jones..

Golovkin's skills are better than Bernard's, his defense is just very economical disallowing some to see how good it actually is. Better skills (in particular jab and footwork)

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑26 Oct 2018, 15:59

victor-romeo wrote: ↑26 Oct 2018, 15:15 All I will say about triple G not in Haglers area of greatness, nor Hopkins skill, Level Best active middleweight I have seen in my life Marvin Hagler, followed by Bernard Hopkins. and I got to think about Roy Jones..

Golovkin's skills are better than Bernard's, his defense is just very economical disallowing some to see how good it actually is. Better skills (in particulat power, jab and footwork) is what allowed Golovkin to not lose at 160, while Hopkins lost and had a NC in a fight he would lose otherwise.

Sorry but Hopkins skills are much better than GGG. It's no comparison

man I'm glad I was a high fan before these guys knew who he was.

tiny_acres wrote: ↑26 Oct 2018, 16:45

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑26 Oct 2018, 15:59

victor-romeo wrote: ↑26 Oct 2018, 15:15 All I will say about triple G not in Haglers area of greatness, nor Hopkins skill, Level Best active middleweight I have seen in my life Marvin Hagler, followed by Bernard Hopkins. and I got to think about Roy Jones..

Golovkin's skills are better than Bernard's, his defense is just very economical disallowing some to see how good it actually is. Better skills (in particulat power, jab and footwork) is what allowed Golovkin to not lose at 160, while Hopkins lost and had a NC in a fight he would lose otherwise.

Sorry but Hopkins skills are much better than GGG. It's no comparison

Sorry, but no.

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑26 Oct 2018, 21:07

tiny_acres wrote: ↑26 Oct 2018, 16:45

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑26 Oct 2018, 15:59
Golovkin's skills are better than Bernard's, his defense is just very economical disallowing some to see how good it actually is. Better skills (in particulat power, jab and footwork) is what allowed Golovkin to not lose at 160, while Hopkins lost and had a NC in a fight he would lose otherwise.

Sorry but Hopkins skills are much better than GGG. It's no comparison

Sorry, but no.

You do realize you are the minority on this question and by a long shot

tiny_acres wrote: ↑26 Oct 2018, 21:10

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑26 Oct 2018, 21:07

tiny_acres wrote: ↑26 Oct 2018, 16:45
Sorry but Hopkins skills are much better than GGG. It's no comparison

Sorry, but no.

You do realize you are the minority on this question and by a long shot

First of all, I am not sure that I am in minority. Second of all, if I am, I don't care if a majority believes in stereotypes.

ggg was nowhere near the skill of hopkins

ggg has world class power (hop didnt), very good chin, and a good jab, but nowhere near the defensive ability, accuracy, counter punching, or overall bag of tricks as hopkins

that fight would be ggg getting potshotted repeatedly with the lead right while he tries to track hopkins down.

jamamb wrote: ↑27 Oct 2018, 01:25 ggg was nowhere near the skill of hopkins

ggg had world class power (hop didnt), very good chin, and a good jab, but nowhere near the defensive ability, accuracy, counter punching, or overall bag of tricks as hopkins

F*ck the tricks of the spoiler. Golovkin beats Hopkins in the ring, so his overall skill set outweighs Bernard's.

nah bruh your delusional

gggs a more explosive puncher but its clear as day who the more skillful fighter is, and thats hopkisn. he wouldve potshotted ggg all night.

jamamb wrote: ↑27 Oct 2018, 01:25 ggg was nowhere near the skill of hopkins

ggg has world class power (hop didnt), very good chin, and a good jab, but nowhere near the defensive ability, accuracy, counter punching, or overall bag of tricks as hopkins

that fight would be ggg getting potshotted repeatedly with the lead right while he tries to track hopkins down.

I guess, you're right.

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑27 Oct 2018, 01:28

jamamb wrote: ↑27 Oct 2018, 01:25 ggg was nowhere near the skill of hopkins

ggg had world class power (hop didnt), very good chin, and a good jab, but nowhere near the defensive ability, accuracy, counter punching, or overall bag of tricks as hopkins

F*ck the tricks of the spoiler. Golovkin beats Hopkins in the ring, so his overall skill set outweighs Bernard's.

LOL at jamdumb that a fighter like GGG with an amateur reccord of 345–5 and having wins against Korobov, Bute, Dirrell and Despaigne "is nowhere near the defensive ability, accuracy, counter punching" of Hopkins.

you can do well in the ams with a range of styles and abilities. beterbiev for example is a straight up slugger yet he won the world am championships. murata won olympic gold and worlds silver but looked seriously lacking in skill vs rob brant.

and im not saying ggg doesnt have skill (i did mention the jab for example), but compared to hopkins, its not that impressive and he is glaring easy to hit for being a high level fighter. a bit basic, one might say at the high levels where hop was still schooling guys

jamamb wrote: ↑27 Oct 2018, 04:49 you can do well in the ams with a range of styles and abilities. beterbiev for example is a straight up slugger yet he won the world am championships

and im not saying ggg doesnt have skill (i did mention the jab for example), but compared to hopkins, its not that impressive and he is glaring easy to hit for being a high level fighter. a bit basic, one might say at the high levels where hop was still schooling guys

Yeah that's why guys like Taylor and Dawson defeat Hopkins. Because of his stellar skills.

its actually useful to look at those guys , because in both cases it was not so much skill, but greater athletiscm and particularly speed which troubled hopkins. ggg doesnt have that, and hes also like 4-5 inches shorter and more of a static target then those guys.

ggg is just made for hopkins to widely decision. it would be those lead rights all night as ggg walks forward

jamamb wrote: ↑27 Oct 2018, 04:59 its actually useful to look at those guys , because in both cases it was not so much skill, but greater athletiscm and particularly speed which troubled hopkins. ggg doesnt have that, and hes also like 4-5 inches shorter and more of a static target then those guys.

ggg is just made for hopkins to widely decision. it would be those lead rights all night as ggg walks forward

ver nicely said

I thought this was about comparing GGG's resume to Hopkins, not about whether either guy could beat the other

As a Hopkins fan, i'm definitely not convinced that Hopkins would have an easy time with GGG, in fact it would probably resemble GGG vs Jacobs.

Honestly, Hopkins never faced anyone like GGG, and GGG is definitely better than Tito, Taylor, and Pavlik.

Also it was Taylors power that also gave Hopkins a little trouble in their first fight, not just his speed.

Prime GGG would apply much more effective pressure and cutting off the ring than Tito, and throw/land more accurate power shots than Taylor.

Hopkins likes a guy to be a little intimidated and hesitant of him to get his best shot selections off, how will this fair against someone who isn't intimidated and will constantly keep coming to you?

GGG won't be following Hopkins around like some lost/confused puppy like Tito did, he will be more effective in closing the distance.

GGG's activity will also probably keep Hopkins somehwat hesitant himself, and that's bad considering Hopkins doesn't throw alot of punches each round.

And honestly, it's quite amazing that someone like GGG who isn't that big of a middleweight and doesn't have a 72+reach was as dominant and feared as he was.

phillykid wrote: ↑27 Oct 2018, 06:52 I thought this was about comparing GGG's resume to Hopkins, not about whether either guy could beat the other

As a Hopkins fan, i'm definitely not convinced that Hopkins would have an easy time with GGG, in fact it would probably resemble GGG vs Jacobs.

Honestly, Hopkins never faced anyone like GGG, and GGG is definitely better than Tito, Taylor, and Pavlik.

Also it was Taylors power that also gave Hopkins a little trouble in their first fight, not just his speed.

Prime GGG would apply much more effective pressure and cutting off the ring than Tito, and throw/land more accurate power shots than Taylor.

Hopkins likes a guy to be a little intimidated and hesitant of him to get his best shot selections off, how will this fair against someone who isn't intimidated and will constantly keep coming to you?

GGG won't be following Hopkins around like some lost/confused puppy like Tito did, he will be more effective in closing the distance.

GGG's activity will also probably keep Hopkins somehwat hesitant himself, and that's bad considering Hopkins doesn't throw alot of punches each round.

And honestly, it's quite amazing that someone like GGG who isn't that big of a middleweight and doesn't have a 72+reach was as dominant and feared as he was.

Very good points. Hopkins would be in trouble against GGG.

Golovkin definitely beats Hopkins for me.