The Asleep Lamps wrote: ↑20 Feb 2019, 12:42
The funniest thing was when David Haye broke the bottle on Chisora. "He glassed me!" Those aren't the kind of role models we want to emulate though.
They have censored the criminal background of Chisora in sub Saharan Africa where he was an armed robber...and now he has magically become a "Brit", a descendent of the ancient Celtic Brits and Saxons and Normans and Vikings.
The Asleep Lamps wrote: ↑20 Feb 2019, 12:42
The funniest thing was when David Haye broke the bottle on Chisora. "He glassed me!" Those aren't the kind of role models we want to emulate though.
They have censored the criminal background of Chisora in sub Saharan Africa where he was an armed robber...and now he has magically become a "Brit", a descendent of the ancient Celtic Brits and Saxons and Normans and Vikings.
My "Slavic cousin" our ancestors had come from Africa, too.
Anyway, Chisora is an aššhole..............
The Asleep Lamps wrote: ↑20 Feb 2019, 12:42
The funniest thing was when David Haye broke the bottle on Chisora. "He glassed me!" Those aren't the kind of role models we want to emulate though.
They have censored the criminal background of Chisora in sub Saharan Africa where he was an armed robber...and now he has magically become a "Brit", a descendent of the ancient Celtic Brits and Saxons and Normans and Vikings.
My "Slavic cousin" our ancestors had come from Africa, too.
Anyway, Chisora is an aššhole..............
The Asleep Lamps wrote: ↑20 Feb 2019, 12:42
The funniest thing was when David Haye broke the bottle on Chisora. "He glassed me!" Those aren't the kind of role models we want to emulate though.
They have censored the criminal background of Chisora in sub Saharan Africa where he was an armed robber...and now he has magically become a "Brit", a descendent of the ancient Celtic Brits and Saxons and Normans and Vikings.
My "Slavic cousin" our ancestors had come from Africa, too.
Anyway, Chisora is an aššhole..............
"Boxing antics, and things happen all the time, and you've just got to take it how it is," Parker told Sky Sports.
"I'm good friends with Miller, so it's one of those fights where I hope it goes well, and I hope he can pull it off, but it's going to be a hard task, because Joshua is a champion. I'm just going to be interested as a heavyweight boxer and a fan of the sport. I think he got under his skin. Miller is just playing the game, doing what he has to do. It's just one of those things where it's interesting for boxing.
"[Me and Miller] get along well, we message each other, and I'm supporting him because he supported me when I had the Joshua fight. Both fighters are great fighters, and very respectful. It's going to be good to see them matched in the ring.
"Yeah, I'll be supporting Miller. We'll fight anyone. I've got a lot of respect for Tyson and he is the man. But it comes down to boxing, and if I want to be the best, I have to fight the best. I consider him one of the best in my generation as a heavyweight. Listen, I'll fight him."
I re-watched Miller vs Washingon today. While I watched, I imagined all the counters and openings that AJ would exploit. Little more than three rounds, I think AJ would've had Miller out of there. Miller is so open; comes in with his hands too low; little head movement; slower hands than I remembered and push punching, I can't imagine he lasts more than 4/5 rounds with Joshua. His 'relentless' style is based more on his opponents' inactivity than his own pressing. It's easy to have high punch output when your foe isn't firing back enough. I think it will be a blowout.
oogiebe wrote: ↑09 Mar 2019, 12:16
I re-watched Miller vs Washingon today. While I watched, I imagined all the counters and openings that AJ would exploit. Little more than three rounds, I think AJ would've had Miller out of there. Miller is so open; comes in with his hands too low; little head movement; slower hands than I remembered and push punching, I can't imagine he lasts more than 4/5 rounds with Joshua. His 'relentless' style is based more on his opponents' inactivity than his own pressing. It's easy to have high punch output when your foe isn't firing back enough. I think it will be a blowout.
The Washington fight was like 4 fights ago. He has improved somewhat since then.
oogiebe wrote: ↑09 Mar 2019, 12:16
I re-watched Miller vs Washingon today. While I watched, I imagined all the counters and openings that AJ would exploit. Little more than three rounds, I think AJ would've had Miller out of there. Miller is so open; comes in with his hands too low; little head movement; slower hands than I remembered and push punching, I can't imagine he lasts more than 4/5 rounds with Joshua. His 'relentless' style is based more on his opponents' inactivity than his own pressing. It's easy to have high punch output when your foe isn't firing back enough. I think it will be a blowout.
The Washington fight was like 4 fights ago. He has improved somewhat since then.
I don't think he has. He too step-down fights that made him appear better, probably for promotional reasons. He looks the same. I watched Washington because of the number of rounds. Miller is a dead man walking.
Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑09 Mar 2019, 11:26
"Boxing antics, and things happen all the time, and you've just got to take it how it is," Parker told Sky Sports.
"I'm good friends with Miller, so it's one of those fights where I hope it goes well, and I hope he can pull it off, but it's going to be a hard task, because Joshua is a champion. I'm just going to be interested as a heavyweight boxer and a fan of the sport. I think he got under his skin. Miller is just playing the game, doing what he has to do. It's just one of those things where it's interesting for boxing.
"[Me and Miller] get along well, we message each other, and I'm supporting him because he supported me when I had the Joshua fight. Both fighters are great fighters, and very respectful. It's going to be good to see them matched in the ring.
"Yeah, I'll be supporting Miller. We'll fight anyone. I've got a lot of respect for Tyson and he is the man. But it comes down to boxing, and if I want to be the best, I have to fight the best. I consider him one of the best in my generation as a heavyweight. Listen, I'll fight him."
I'm really not sure where Parker goes now. Sure, he can fight Fury, but he's losing to a similar card that he did to Joshua.
I think he needs a new coach, and a new approach. I do like his coach, but I don't think he's focusing on Parker's greater assets, and thus playing Parker's game plan to his strengths.
The Asleep Lamps wrote: ↑20 Feb 2019, 12:42
The funniest thing was when David Haye broke the bottle on Chisora. "He glassed me!" Those aren't the kind of role models we want to emulate though.
They have censored the criminal background of Chisora in sub Saharan Africa where he was an armed robber...and now he has magically become a "Brit", a descendent of the ancient Celtic Brits and Saxons and Normans and Vikings.
My "Slavic cousin" our ancestors had come from Africa, too.
Anyway, Chisora is an aššhole..............
Obviously no facts exist, but what evidence have you of this?
Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑09 Mar 2019, 11:26
"Boxing antics, and things happen all the time, and you've just got to take it how it is," Parker told Sky Sports.
"I'm good friends with Miller, so it's one of those fights where I hope it goes well, and I hope he can pull it off, but it's going to be a hard task, because Joshua is a champion. I'm just going to be interested as a heavyweight boxer and a fan of the sport. I think he got under his skin. Miller is just playing the game, doing what he has to do. It's just one of those things where it's interesting for boxing.
"[Me and Miller] get along well, we message each other, and I'm supporting him because he supported me when I had the Joshua fight. Both fighters are great fighters, and very respectful. It's going to be good to see them matched in the ring.
"Yeah, I'll be supporting Miller. We'll fight anyone. I've got a lot of respect for Tyson and he is the man. But it comes down to boxing, and if I want to be the best, I have to fight the best. I consider him one of the best in my generation as a heavyweight. Listen, I'll fight him."
I'm really not sure where Parker goes now. Sure, he can fight Fury, but he's losing to a similar card that he did to Joshua.
I think he needs a new coach, and a new approach. I do like his coach, but I don't think he's focusing on Parker's greater assets, and thus playing Parker's game plan to his strengths.
I tend to agree with you on Parker getting some new wrinkles in his game. Maybe his current trainer has done as much as he can with him. Parker just seems to have more talent than he has shown in the ring.
Surprised so many here don't see Miller, 300 lbs of him, and rugged and strong as he is, not durable enough to go the distance with Joshua. Little Takam would have gone the distance but the ref decided he didn't want him to. While Miller will not -can not- get a points win not matter what he does, Miller may score a knockdown.
sturm vogel wrote: ↑09 Mar 2019, 21:51
Surprised so many here don't see Miller, 300 lbs of him, and rugged and strong as he is, not durable enough to go the distance with Joshua. Little Takam would have gone the distance but the ref decided he didn't want him to. While Miller will not -can not- get a points win not matter what he does, Miller may score a knockdown.
I think the referee stopping Takam early made no difference to the outcome of that fight. It was either a TKO, or a very wide UD. That's of course if Joshua wouldn't have finished him off in the last 1.5 rounds, which I think he would have.
You also have to take into account that Joshua took on Takam at a weeks notice, when all his preparation was for a tall jabbing Eastern European, whereas Takam was in camp preparing for Joshua the whole time. You only have to look at the Parker-Cojanu fight to see how much a short notice fight can impair performance.
sturm vogel wrote: ↑09 Mar 2019, 21:51
Surprised so many here don't see Miller, 300 lbs of him, and rugged and strong as he is, not durable enough to go the distance with Joshua. Little Takam would have gone the distance but the ref decided he didn't want him to. While Miller will not -can not- get a points win not matter what he does, Miller may score a knockdown.
I think the referee stopping Takam early made no difference to the outcome of that fight. It was either a TKO, or a very wide UD. That's of course if Joshua wouldn't have finished him off in the last 1.5 rounds, which I think he would have.
You also have to take into account that Joshua took on Takam at a weeks notice, when all his preparation was for a tall jabbing Eastern European, whereas Takam was in camp preparing for Joshua the whole time. You only have to look at the Parker-Cojanu fight to see how much a short notice fight can impair performance.
I only referenced Takam to show that if he was durable enough to go the distance, why should Miller not be when Miller is much bigger, heavier, and has shown no weakness of chin anywhere.
The Asleep Lamps wrote: ↑20 Feb 2019, 12:42
The funniest thing was when David Haye broke the bottle on Chisora. "He glassed me!" Those aren't the kind of role models we want to emulate though.
They have censored the criminal background of Chisora in sub Saharan Africa where he was an armed robber...and now he has magically become a "Brit", a descendent of the ancient Celtic Brits and Saxons and Normans and Vikings.
My "Slavic cousin" our ancestors had come from Africa, too.
Anyway, Chisora is an aššhole..............
Obviously no facts exist, but what evidence have you of this?
All serious scientists agree that place of origin of Homo Sapiens is in Africa. It is not even debatable.
But, it has nothing to do on the boxing forum, it is off topic, totally.
The Asleep Lamps wrote: ↑20 Feb 2019, 12:42
The funniest thing was when David Haye broke the bottle on Chisora. "He glassed me!" Those aren't the kind of role models we want to emulate though.
They have censored the criminal background of Chisora in sub Saharan Africa where he was an armed robber...and now he has magically become a "Brit", a descendent of the ancient Celtic Brits and Saxons and Normans and Vikings.
My "Slavic cousin" our ancestors had come from Africa, too.
Anyway, Chisora is an aššhole..............
Obviously no facts exist, but what evidence have you of this?
All serious scientists agree that place of origin of Homo Sapiens is in Africa. It is not even debatable.
But, it has nothing to do on the boxing forum, it is off topic, totally.
No they don't, brother. Just the PC ones, and even that is fading out as more and more evidence comes out of our very ancient European history. Also the continent of Africa is not synonymous with Black, as they try to infer. Until relatively recent historical times blacks were confined to very far away sub saharan west africa.
sturm vogel wrote: ↑09 Mar 2019, 21:51
Surprised so many here don't see Miller, 300 lbs of him, and rugged and strong as he is, not durable enough to go the distance with Joshua. Little Takam would have gone the distance but the ref decided he didn't want him to. While Miller will not -can not- get a points win not matter what he does, Miller may score a knockdown.
I think the referee stopping Takam early made no difference to the outcome of that fight. It was either a TKO, or a very wide UD. That's of course if Joshua wouldn't have finished him off in the last 1.5 rounds, which I think he would have.
You also have to take into account that Joshua took on Takam at a weeks notice, when all his preparation was for a tall jabbing Eastern European, whereas Takam was in camp preparing for Joshua the whole time. You only have to look at the Parker-Cojanu fight to see how much a short notice fight can impair performance.
I only referenced Takam to show that if he was durable enough to go the distance, why should Miller not be when Miller is much bigger, heavier, and has shown no weakness of chin anywhere.
I've been saying it all along on different threads. While I think the most likely outcome is Joshua gradually punching Miller to a standstill and forcing the stoppage, there is a distinct possibility that Joshua's punches have no discernably greater success in slowing down Miller than those of anyone else he has faced.
If it turned out that Miller wasn't unduly fazed by Joshua's power then AJ could be in serious bother given Miller's stamina and workrate. It's why I think this is an exciting and risky fight.
sturm vogel wrote: ↑09 Mar 2019, 21:51
Surprised so many here don't see Miller, 300 lbs of him, and rugged and strong as he is, not durable enough to go the distance with Joshua. Little Takam would have gone the distance but the ref decided he didn't want him to. While Miller will not -can not- get a points win not matter what he does, Miller may score a knockdown.
I think the referee stopping Takam early made no difference to the outcome of that fight. It was either a TKO, or a very wide UD. That's of course if Joshua wouldn't have finished him off in the last 1.5 rounds, which I think he would have.
You also have to take into account that Joshua took on Takam at a weeks notice, when all his preparation was for a tall jabbing Eastern European, whereas Takam was in camp preparing for Joshua the whole time. You only have to look at the Parker-Cojanu fight to see how much a short notice fight can impair performance.
I only referenced Takam to show that if he was durable enough to go the distance, why should Miller not be when Miller is much bigger, heavier, and has shown no weakness of chin anywhere.
I've been saying it all along on different threads. While I think the most likely outcome is Joshua gradually punching Miller to a standstill and forcing the stoppage, there is a distinct possibility that Joshua's punches have no discernably greater success in slowing down Miller than those of anyone else he has faced.
If it turned out that Miller wasn't unduly fazed by Joshua's power then AJ could be in serious bother given Miller's stamina and workrate. It's why I think this is an exciting and risky fight.
And I can see Miller trying to steamroll Joshua like he did to Adamek. Like I've been saying I can see both of those two Brooklyn "fat guys" being co heavyweight champs! Outside shot but could be.
The Asleep Lamps wrote: ↑20 Feb 2019, 12:42
The funniest thing was when David Haye broke the bottle on Chisora. "He glassed me!" Those aren't the kind of role models we want to emulate though.
They have censored the criminal background of Chisora in sub Saharan Africa where he was an armed robber...and now he has magically become a "Brit", a descendent of the ancient Celtic Brits and Saxons and Normans and Vikings.
My "Slavic cousin" our ancestors had come from Africa, too.
Anyway, Chisora is an aššhole..............
Obviously no facts exist, but what evidence have you of this?
All serious scientists agree that place of origin of Homo Sapiens is in Africa. It is not even debatable.
But, it has nothing to do on the boxing forum, it is off topic, totally.
I agree it is completely off topic. But, a note: appealing to some vague, general authority, i.e. "All serious scientists..." is neither fact nor evidence nor any authority at all; it is just an opinion. It is not the same as referencing the freezing point of water, which all can verify; anthropological "science" is forever changing, and thus wavering, making general references unworthy of anything;
sturm vogel wrote: ↑09 Mar 2019, 21:51
Surprised so many here don't see Miller, 300 lbs of him, and rugged and strong as he is, not durable enough to go the distance with Joshua. Little Takam would have gone the distance but the ref decided he didn't want him to. While Miller will not -can not- get a points win not matter what he does, Miller may score a knockdown.
I think the referee stopping Takam early made no difference to the outcome of that fight. It was either a TKO, or a very wide UD. That's of course if Joshua wouldn't have finished him off in the last 1.5 rounds, which I think he would have.
You also have to take into account that Joshua took on Takam at a weeks notice, when all his preparation was for a tall jabbing Eastern European, whereas Takam was in camp preparing for Joshua the whole time. You only have to look at the Parker-Cojanu fight to see how much a short notice fight can impair performance.
I only referenced Takam to show that if he was durable enough to go the distance, why should Miller not be when Miller is much bigger, heavier, and has shown no weakness of chin anywhere.
I've been saying it all along on different threads. While I think the most likely outcome is Joshua gradually punching Miller to a standstill and forcing the stoppage, there is a distinct possibility that Joshua's punches have no discernably greater success in slowing down Miller than those of anyone else he has faced.
If it turned out that Miller wasn't unduly fazed by Joshua's power then AJ could be in serious bother given Miller's stamina and workrate. It's why I think this is an exciting and risky fight.
Good points. My surprise here is how sure so many are of Joshua pancaking Miller when Joshua himself seems quite agitated about this fight and when a fighter is agitated that means he's unsure and has lost some confidence. I don't take Miller as some joke.
sturm vogel wrote: ↑09 Mar 2019, 21:51
Surprised so many here don't see Miller, 300 lbs of him, and rugged and strong as he is, not durable enough to go the distance with Joshua. Little Takam would have gone the distance but the ref decided he didn't want him to. While Miller will not -can not- get a points win not matter what he does, Miller may score a knockdown.
I think the referee stopping Takam early made no difference to the outcome of that fight. It was either a TKO, or a very wide UD. That's of course if Joshua wouldn't have finished him off in the last 1.5 rounds, which I think he would have.
You also have to take into account that Joshua took on Takam at a weeks notice, when all his preparation was for a tall jabbing Eastern European, whereas Takam was in camp preparing for Joshua the whole time. You only have to look at the Parker-Cojanu fight to see how much a short notice fight can impair performance.
I only referenced Takam to show that if he was durable enough to go the distance, why should Miller not be when Miller is much bigger, heavier, and has shown no weakness of chin anywhere.
I've been saying it all along on different threads. While I think the most likely outcome is Joshua gradually punching Miller to a standstill and forcing the stoppage, there is a distinct possibility that Joshua's punches have no discernably greater success in slowing down Miller than those of anyone else he has faced.
If it turned out that Miller wasn't unduly fazed by Joshua's power then AJ could be in serious bother given Miller's stamina and workrate. It's why I think this is an exciting and risky fight.
Good points. My surprise here is how sure so many are of Joshua pancaking Miller when Joshua himself seems quite agitated about this fight and when a fighter is agitated that means he's unsure and has lost some confidence. I don't take Miller as some joke.
Yes, all logical points. Trouble is, where's the context? Anthony Joshua has been operating on an entirely different level to Jarrell Miller for the past 3/4 years.
This is an or orchestrated introduction to US soil for AJ, and a once in a lifetime payday for Miller. Of course it is not impossible that Miller could win but so could any heavyweight this side of Dave Allen (the boxer that is, not the even more renowned comedian) - that's what makes heavyweight boxing so compulsive.
sturm vogel wrote: ↑09 Mar 2019, 21:51
Surprised so many here don't see Miller, 300 lbs of him, and rugged and strong as he is, not durable enough to go the distance with Joshua. Little Takam would have gone the distance but the ref decided he didn't want him to. While Miller will not -can not- get a points win not matter what he does, Miller may score a knockdown.
I think the referee stopping Takam early made no difference to the outcome of that fight. It was either a TKO, or a very wide UD. That's of course if Joshua wouldn't have finished him off in the last 1.5 rounds, which I think he would have.
You also have to take into account that Joshua took on Takam at a weeks notice, when all his preparation was for a tall jabbing Eastern European, whereas Takam was in camp preparing for Joshua the whole time. You only have to look at the Parker-Cojanu fight to see how much a short notice fight can impair performance.
I only referenced Takam to show that if he was durable enough to go the distance, why should Miller not be when Miller is much bigger, heavier, and has shown no weakness of chin anywhere.
I've been saying it all along on different threads. While I think the most likely outcome is Joshua gradually punching Miller to a standstill and forcing the stoppage, there is a distinct possibility that Joshua's punches have no discernably greater success in slowing down Miller than those of anyone else he has faced.
If it turned out that Miller wasn't unduly fazed by Joshua's power then AJ could be in serious bother given Miller's stamina and workrate. It's why I think this is an exciting and risky fight.
Good points. My surprise here is how sure so many are of Joshua pancaking Miller when Joshua himself seems quite agitated about this fight and when a fighter is agitated that means he's unsure and has lost some confidence. I don't take Miller as some joke.
Yes, all logical points. Trouble is, where's the context? Anthony Joshua has been operating on an entirely different level to Jarrell Miller for the past 3/4 years.
This is an or orchestrated introduction to US soil for AJ, and a once in a lifetime payday for Miller. Of course it is not impossible that Miller could win but so could any heavyweight this side of Dave Allen (the boxer that is, not the even more renowned comedian) - that's what makes heavyweight boxing so compulsive.
100%. Assuming you meant competitive and not compulsive...damn spell check!
sturm vogel wrote: ↑09 Mar 2019, 21:51
Surprised so many here don't see Miller, 300 lbs of him, and rugged and strong as he is, not durable enough to go the distance with Joshua. Little Takam would have gone the distance but the ref decided he didn't want him to. While Miller will not -can not- get a points win not matter what he does, Miller may score a knockdown.
I think the referee stopping Takam early made no difference to the outcome of that fight. It was either a TKO, or a very wide UD. That's of course if Joshua wouldn't have finished him off in the last 1.5 rounds, which I think he would have.
You also have to take into account that Joshua took on Takam at a weeks notice, when all his preparation was for a tall jabbing Eastern European, whereas Takam was in camp preparing for Joshua the whole time. You only have to look at the Parker-Cojanu fight to see how much a short notice fight can impair performance.
I only referenced Takam to show that if he was durable enough to go the distance, why should Miller not be when Miller is much bigger, heavier, and has shown no weakness of chin anywhere.
I wouldn't use that fight as an indicator of Takam's durability. Like I said, short notice opponents are awkward, because much of the training might not be geared towards that kind of opponent, including sparring partners. Let's take the Chisora fight for example. Still think he's durable?
Miller is no doubt a relevant opponent, but do not think for one second that Joshua won't be prepared for him. Miller might even start faster, but as with Povetkin, the outcome I think is inevitable.
sturm vogel wrote: ↑09 Mar 2019, 21:51
Surprised so many here don't see Miller, 300 lbs of him, and rugged and strong as he is, not durable enough to go the distance with Joshua. Little Takam would have gone the distance but the ref decided he didn't want him to. While Miller will not -can not- get a points win not matter what he does, Miller may score a knockdown.
I think the referee stopping Takam early made no difference to the outcome of that fight. It was either a TKO, or a very wide UD. That's of course if Joshua wouldn't have finished him off in the last 1.5 rounds, which I think he would have.
You also have to take into account that Joshua took on Takam at a weeks notice, when all his preparation was for a tall jabbing Eastern European, whereas Takam was in camp preparing for Joshua the whole time. You only have to look at the Parker-Cojanu fight to see how much a short notice fight can impair performance.
I only referenced Takam to show that if he was durable enough to go the distance, why should Miller not be when Miller is much bigger, heavier, and has shown no weakness of chin anywhere.
I've been saying it all along on different threads. While I think the most likely outcome is Joshua gradually punching Miller to a standstill and forcing the stoppage, there is a distinct possibility that Joshua's punches have no discernably greater success in slowing down Miller than those of anyone else he has faced.
If it turned out that Miller wasn't unduly fazed by Joshua's power then AJ could be in serious bother given Miller's stamina and workrate. It's why I think this is an exciting and risky fight.
I cannot think of which of Miller's opponents you could be comparing Joshua's punching output to.
