Terence Crawford vs. Shawn Porter | ESPN PPV - November 20, 2021

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

What would atop top rank from paying the difference to tc as a bonus?

Nothing

You dont know what you are talking about. You do not understand business

[Enlightened-One]

What would atop top rank from paying the difference to tc as a bonus?

Nothing

You dont know what you are talking about. You do not understand business

Whilst I appreciate you’re compelled to disagree and also insult me at every given opportunity, what precisely have I written you disagree with.

Don’t just convey your interpretation of my words, actually quote them.

[Enlightened-One]

What would atop top rank from paying the difference to tc as a bonus?

Nothing

You dont know what you are talking about. You do not understand business

Whilst I appreciate you’re compelled to disagree and also insult me at every given opportunity, what precisely have I written you disagree with.

Don’t just convey your interpretation of my words, actually quote them.

Still waiting for you to respond?

[Enlightened-One]

Tim Bradley On Shawn Porter Vs. Terence Crawford: “Why Is This Fight On PPV?”

When Terence Crawford was ordered to defend his WBO welterweight title against former two-time titlist Shawn Porter, Tim Bradley couldn’t stop himself from grinning. The former two-division belt holder finds a matchup between the pair intriguing and is interested in seeing how things shake out.

Originally, the two sides attempted to hammer out a deal behind the scenes. But with Top Rank, Crawford’s representatives, and Premier Boxing Champions, the representatives of Porter, unable to finalize an agreement, a public purse bid was set to take place on September 2nd.

After continuing to work diligently, both sides requested an extension as a deal draws closer. They will now have until September 14th, to reach an agreement or a purse bid will in fact take place.

Regardless of the contractual side of things, Bradley isn’t interested in how much either fighter will make or where the fight will take place. The former 140 and 147-pound champion simply wants to see the two in the ring. For a fight of this magnitude, a pay-per-view setting is the likely destination. Yet, in Bradley’s opinion, forcing customers to pay for a showdown between two fighters who aren’t the most ballyhooed, isn’t the best idea.

“You have two guys who aren’t relatively known,” said Bradley.

For Porter, the 33-year-old former belt holder has competed in one PPV thus far and managed to reel in terrific numbers. In September of 2019, Porter went toe to toe with unified 147-pound champion, Errol Spence Jr. While Porter would go on to lose, they reportedly raked in over 300,00 PPV buys. Since the loss, Porter has bounced back, outpointing fringe contender Sebastian Formella in August of 2020.

As for Crawford, although he usually finds his name near the top of every pound-for-pound list, his PPV numbers haven’t impressed. In his first appearance on that platform, in July of 2016, Crawford easily outpointed Viktor Postol to unify titles in the super lightweight division. His performance may have been nearly flawless on the night, but his PPV numbers checked in at reportedly 50,000 buys.

Crawford’s second PPV, this time against Amir Khan in April of 2019, performed better as reportedly 150,000 customers purchased the event to witness Crawford score the sixth round stoppage.

While Crawford’s PPV numbers increased during his second go round and despite Porter generating over 300,000 for his fight against Spence Jr., Bradley believes they just aren’t recognizable figures in the regular world.

To prove his theory correct, Bradley revealed that he conducted an experiment.

“I walked around and asked 20 random people who don’t know anything about boxing. Do you know Terrence ‘Bud’ Crawford? They said no. Have you ever heard of Shawn Porter? No. All 20 of them said they never heard of them. So why is this fight on pay-per-view?”

[Enlightened-One]

Tim Bradley On Shawn Porter Vs. Terence Crawford: “Why Is This Fight On PPV?”

When Terence Crawford was ordered to defend his WBO welterweight title against former two-time titlist Shawn Porter, Tim Bradley couldn’t stop himself from grinning. The former two-division belt holder finds a matchup between the pair intriguing and is interested in seeing how things shake out.

Originally, the two sides attempted to hammer out a deal behind the scenes. But with Top Rank, Crawford’s representatives, and Premier Boxing Champions, the representatives of Porter, unable to finalize an agreement, a public purse bid was set to take place on September 2nd.

After continuing to work diligently, both sides requested an extension as a deal draws closer. They will now have until September 14th, to reach an agreement or a purse bid will in fact take place.

Regardless of the contractual side of things, Bradley isn’t interested in how much either fighter will make or where the fight will take place. The former 140 and 147-pound champion simply wants to see the two in the ring. For a fight of this magnitude, a pay-per-view setting is the likely destination. Yet, in Bradley’s opinion, forcing customers to pay for a showdown between two fighters who aren’t the most ballyhooed, isn’t the best idea.

“You have two guys who aren’t relatively known,” said Bradley.

For Porter, the 33-year-old former belt holder has competed in one PPV thus far and managed to reel in terrific numbers. In September of 2019, Porter went toe to toe with unified 147-pound champion, Errol Spence Jr. While Porter would go on to lose, they reportedly raked in over 300,00 PPV buys. Since the loss, Porter has bounced back, outpointing fringe contender Sebastian Formella in August of 2020.

As for Crawford, although he usually finds his name near the top of every pound-for-pound list, his PPV numbers haven’t impressed. In his first appearance on that platform, in July of 2016, Crawford easily outpointed Viktor Postol to unify titles in the super lightweight division. His performance may have been nearly flawless on the night, but his PPV numbers checked in at reportedly 50,000 buys.

Crawford’s second PPV, this time against Amir Khan in April of 2019, performed better as reportedly 150,000 customers purchased the event to witness Crawford score the sixth round stoppage.

While Crawford’s PPV numbers increased during his second go round and despite Porter generating over 300,000 for his fight against Spence Jr., Bradley believes they just aren’t recognizable figures in the regular world.

To prove his theory correct, Bradley revealed that he conducted an experiment.

“I walked around and asked 20 random people who don’t know anything about boxing. Do you know Terrence ‘Bud’ Crawford? They said no. Have you ever heard of Shawn Porter? No. All 20 of them said they never heard of them. So why is this fight on pay-per-view?”

[Enlightened-One]

It’s interesting to see Timothy Bradley’s criticism of Crawford and Porter’s commercial popularity, considering he’s employed by ESPN.

Bradley has previously been critical of ESPN’s rival, the PBC, which is a stable that Porter is aligned with.

Rivals often bicker, which seems to be the norm. And not particularly noteworthy.

But to include an ESPN fighter in the scope of his criticism, well that’s a little surprising… especially if he possesses insider knowledge, which means his words reflect his employers sentiments.

Mike Coppinger, another ESPN employee, expects Top Rank to intentionally submit a losing bid, because apparently that’s all it needs to do to fulfil their one-fight obligation with Crawford.

So it seems likely that Crawford’s time with Top Rank will come to an end after his next outing, with Bud probably facing Porter on Fox or DAZN, rather than his home network (ESPN).

[Ruthless-RKO]

It’s interesting to see Timothy Bradley’s criticism of Crawford and Porter’s commercial popularity, considering he’s employed by ESPN.

Bradley has previously been critical of ESPN’s rival, the PBC, which is a stable that Porter is aligned with.

Rivals often bicker, which seems to be the norm. And not particularly noteworthy.

But to include an ESPN fighter in the scope of his criticism, well that’s a little surprising… especially if he possesses insider knowledge, which means his words reflect his employers sentiments.

Mike Coppinger, another ESPN employee, expects Top Rank to intentionally submit a losing bid, because apparently that’s all it needs to do to fulfil their one-fight obligation with Crawford.

So it seems likely that Crawford’s time with Top Rank has essentially ended, with Bud probably facing Porter on Fox or DAZN.

Tim Brad was also vey critical of the whole Valdez PED situation.

[Enlightened-One]

It’s interesting to see Timothy Bradley’s criticism of Crawford and Porter’s commercial popularity, considering he’s employed by ESPN.

Bradley has previously been critical of ESPN’s rival, the PBC, which is a stable that Porter is aligned with.

Rivals often bicker, which seems to be the norm. And not particularly noteworthy.

But to include an ESPN fighter in the scope of his criticism, well that’s a little surprising… especially if he possesses insider knowledge, which means his words reflect his employers sentiments.

Mike Coppinger, another ESPN employee, expects Top Rank to intentionally submit a losing bid, because apparently that’s all it needs to do to fulfil their one-fight obligation with Crawford.

So it seems likely that Crawford’s time with Top Rank has essentially ended, with Bud probably facing Porter on Fox or DAZN.

Tim Brad was also very critical of the whole Valdez PED situation.

To be fair, it's impossible to defend a fighter testing positive for the VADA-banned stimulant phentermine. Nothing more needs to be said on this matter.

But to see an ESPN pundit criticise a fight that could still theoretically land on ESPN, as a PPV, well that's the equivalent of shooting oneself in the foot.

And I doubt that Timothy Bradley would express such criticism unless he was confident the Crawford-Porter bout wouldn’t land on ESPN.

Mike Coppinger, another ESPN employee, doesn't expect the Crawford-Porter bout to land on ESPN.

[gregregegg]

It’s interesting to see Timothy Bradley’s criticism of Crawford and Porter’s commercial popularity, considering he’s employed by ESPN.

Bradley has previously been critical of ESPN’s rival, the PBC, which is a stable that Porter is aligned with.

Rivals often bicker, which seems to be the norm. And not particularly noteworthy.

But to include an ESPN fighter in the scope of his criticism, well that’s a little surprising… especially if he possesses insider knowledge, which means his words reflect his employers sentiments.

Mike Coppinger, another ESPN employee, expects Top Rank to intentionally submit a losing bid, because apparently that’s all it needs to do to fulfil their one-fight obligation with Crawford.

So it seems likely that Crawford’s time with Top Rank has essentially ended, with Bud probably facing Porter on Fox or DAZN.

Tim Brad was also very critical of the whole Valdez PED situation.

To be fair, it's impossible to defend a fighter testing positive for the VADA-banned stimulant phentermine. Nothing more needs to be said on this matter.

But to see an ESPN pundit criticise a fight that could still theoretically land on ESPN, as a PPV, well that's the equivalent of shooting oneself in the foot.

And I doubt that Timothy Bradley would express such criticism unless he was confident the Crawford-Porter bout wouldn’t land on ESPN.

Mike Coppinger, another ESPN employee, doesn't expect the Crawford-Porter bout to land on ESPN.

I mean it’s not impossible to defend. He could have seen that the state commission uses Wada, looked up wada banned substance list, seen that phentermine is allowed except for on fight night. And then decided to use it as a preworkout type stimulant/appetite reductor in camp.

If he did all that, and his only mistake was not knowing wada and vada have different rules around the it then it’s a bit harsh. Would be a fair assumption that the world anti doping agency working with the state commission sanctioning the fight would have a usefull and useable banned/safe list.

Really Is it even real cheating?, 99% of fights don’t use vada, in all of those fights what he did is completely by the rules.

I’m not saying what he did was completely right, that camp is fishy but indefensible… not quite.

What needs to be done based on this incedent is Vada, wads, usada, bbboc ect ect need to get one universally recognised banned list for boxing.

[Enlightened-One]

Tim Brad was also very critical of the whole Valdez PED situation.

To be fair, it's impossible to defend a fighter testing positive for the VADA-banned stimulant phentermine. Nothing more needs to be said on this matter.

But to see an ESPN pundit criticise a fight that could still theoretically land on ESPN, as a PPV, well that's the equivalent of shooting oneself in the foot.

And I doubt that Timothy Bradley would express such criticism unless he was confident the Crawford-Porter bout wouldn’t land on ESPN.

Mike Coppinger, another ESPN employee, doesn't expect the Crawford-Porter bout to land on ESPN.

I mean it’s not impossible to defend. He could have seen that the state commission uses Wada, looked up wada banned substance list, seen that phentermine is allowed except for on fight night. And then decided to use it as a preworkout type stimulant/appetite reductor in camp.

If he did all that, and his only mistake was not knowing wada and vada have different rules around the it then it’s a bit harsh. Would be a fair assumption that the world anti doping agency working with the state commission sanctioning the fight would have a usefull and useable banned/safe list.

Really Is it even real cheating?, 99% of fights don’t use vada, in all of those fights what he did is completely by the rules.

I’m not saying what he did was completely right, that camp is fishy but indefensible… not quite.

According to the WADA official website, Phentermine is prohibited "in-competition". And VADA officially class the same drug as a prohibited stimulant.

Victor Conte claims there aren't any official FDA records of supplements containing Phentermine. He believes the WBC fabricated a fictional herbal tea story.

The reason why WADA prohibit the use of phentermine on fight night, is because it enhances performance. This has been scientifically proven to be the case.

And VADA quite rightly believes the same drug will also enhance performance (specifically endurance) during training camp.

After all, isn’t that the main reason why athletes consume PED’s during training camp, is because they optimise their physical conditioning (and consequently performance) on the day of competition?

Think about it, if a PED can enhance your performance on a Saturday evening (fight night), there’s no scientific reason for it not doing the same thing on any other day of the week, is there?

The WBC’s Clean Boxing Program is operated by VADA. And both fighters signed-up for VADA testing, since it was a WBC title fight.

In this case, the WBC have ignored VADA’s rules, and given Oscar Valdez a free pass, despite the apparent lack of credibility of his "herbal tea" excuse (as per FDA records).

What needs to be done based on this incedent is Vada, wads, usada, bbboc ect ect need to get one universally recognised banned list for boxing.

I agree.

The Saunders WBO title fight against Demetrius Andrade fell through when Billy Joe controversially tested positive for a substance that was banned by VADA, but not by WADA, USADA, BBBofC & UKAD.

The MSAC bizarrely decided to ban Saunders and follow VADA protocols, despite their own official governance on doping regulations strictly adhering to the prohibited list defined by WADA.

For the record, the WBO doesn’t have any official affiliation with VADA.

To me, it seems that the commissions and the sports’ governing bodies are cherry-picking the application of the PED rules to fulfil their own agendas.

[scallum2015]

At 33 finally Crawford fights an Elite Welter. To be with one of the biggest Promoters on The Planet yet have a below average resume=

[margaret thatcher]

At 33 finally Crawford fights an Elite Welter. To be with one of the biggest Promoters on The Planet yet have a below average resume=

does bob hold his black fighters back on purpose? seems to focus more on other guys

[scallum2015]

agreed, bob is really selfish and alturistic, whereas a guy like haymon is an altruist and clearly working to make the sport better

To be fair, whilst Haymon deserves to receive a certain amount of criticism, like other key figures in the sport does (including Hearn, De La Hoya, Duva, Arum, Espinoza, Denyer etc.), his fighters are very well looked after.

Even those that ended their ties with Haymon, through retirement or working with others, are always expressing their gratitude towards him.

Fighters are naming their first born sons after Haymon

[scallum2015]

At 33 finally Crawford fights an Elite Welter. To be with one of the biggest Promoters on The Planet yet have a below average resume=

does bob hold his black fighters back on purpose? seems to focus more on other guys

I dont know about that but i just cant comprehend why Crawford resume is so weak for a Top fighter in his mid 30s

[scallum2015]

Haymon is a ruthless blood sucking parasite drinking the life blood out of the sport. His recent success has been because he gets his fighters a little bit more money and media coverage then the other parasites. He understands publicity, a bit. Comparing between them is like choosing between a tick, a flea, a mosquito, or a vampire bat with AIDS.

If you're smart you can calculate which one sucks the lesser volume of blood, which one will give you less malaria or whatever but they all suck. Arum, he's a vampire that has contracts with devils, he would have died decades ago if he wasn't constantly sucking the stem cells out of newborns.

Did you know Haymon does not take any $$$ at all from his fighters until they start making big $$$. Does not sound like a Blood sucking parasite to me. He has done an never before seen Great job of getting fighters mega exposure.

[margaret thatcher]

At 33 finally Crawford fights an Elite Welter. To be with one of the biggest Promoters on The Planet yet have a below average resume=

does bob hold his black fighters back on purpose? seems to focus more on other guys

I dont know about that but i just cant comprehend why Crawford resume is so weak for a Top fighter in his mid 30s

seems like he cares more about loma, teo, valdez, fury, etc

[Enlightened-One]

At 33 finally Crawford fights an Elite Welter. To be with one of the biggest Promoters on The Planet yet have a below average resume=

does bob hold his black fighters back on purpose? seems to focus more on other guys

Terence Crawford typical payday is in the region of $4m per bout, mainly because of his minimum purse guarantee that is stipulated in his contract.

Crawford's PPV figures have been abysmal. And the audience numbers for his non-PPV bouts have been declining and considered unimpressive.

So Top Rank can't offer big paydays to Crawford's opponents, without losing money. This isn't speculation or my personal opinion, since these are Bob Arum's actual words:

“He’s got to promote like [Teofimo] Lopez does. He’s got to promote like Shakur [Stevenson] does. Like [Floyd] Mayweather did. Like [Manny] Pacquiao did.

“If he doesn’t, then who the f— needs him? He may be the greatest fighter in the world, but, hey, I ain’t going bankrupt promoting him.

“The question is, ‘Do we want to keep him?’ I could build a house in Beverly Hills on the money I’ve lost on him in the last three fights. A beautiful home.”

“I don’t give a s— if [Team Crawford] got mad at me,” he told The Athletic.

“This business is not about getting mad. This business is about facts and the reality of the situation. What’d I say that was wrong? I’ll show him how much we’ve lost on his fights.

“Again, if we did this fight with Spence and put our money in for half of the risk, and Crawford wins and Haymon wants to sign him … be my guest, for Christ’s sake! In other words, I am not going to go in my pocket anymore for Terence Crawford.

“I don’t have to make a lot of money with him on this, but I know I’ll break even or make a couple of dollars. I’m no longer in the business of losing money on Terence Crawford.”

Top Rank previously attempted to make the Crawford-Porter bout and were only willing to offer $1m, which was the same amount Shawn earned for the Sebastian Formella fight.

That lowball offer was obviously rejected.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Terence Crawford vs Shawn Porter could be announced next week for November 20 in Las Vegas, Bob Arum reveals

Bob Arum is hopeful that Terence Crawford vs Shawn Porter will be a done deal very soon and officially announced next week.

The American became embroiled in spat with his promoter Bob Arum as both were frustrated over his current situation.

Crawford is a three-weight world champion and widely regarded as one of the top three pound-for-pound fighters in the entire sport today.

However, he is yet to face a fellow truly world class fighter in their prime who comes close to his level.

The vast majority of the big-name fighters at welterweight today are signed with Al Haymon’s PBC, who rarely do business with Arum’s Top Rank.

The super-fight all boxing fans want to see between Crawford and Errol Spence looks further away than ever for this reason.

With fighters such as Spence and Porter out of his reach, Crawford has had to settle for facing lesser-known opposition and so been unable to generate big PPV numbers – part of the reason for the spat with his own promoter.

Last month though, the WBO threw him a lifeline by ordering the bout with Porter.

It initially looked like no deal would be agreed and the fight would go to purse bids, but now it appears there has been serious progress in negotiations.

Arum told ESNEWS: “We talked with PBC as late as yesterday.

“It looks like Porter is on board, or close to on board.

“Hopefully Terence will be on board and we’ll announce the fight next week, hopefully.

“We want it in Vegas at the Mandalay Bay. We’re holding the arena for November 20.”

[Cent0089]

Shawn Porter has some very underrated resume

[Ruthless-RKO]

Shawn Porter has some very underrated resume

He's been at it for the last 8 years.

[Enlightened-One]

Purse bid deadline is tomorrow, isn't it?

No news yet from Top Rank or the PBC.

[margaret thatcher]

the top rank vs the pbc

[Ruthless-RKO]

the top rank vs the pbc

First ever PPV Purse Bid.

Streamed live and exclusive via WBO HQ.

Price: $9.99

[gregregegg]

the top rank vs the pbc

First ever PPV Purse Bid.

Streamed live and exclusive via WBO HQ.

Price: $9.99

Fuuk, was really hoping the purse bids wouuld be live and exclusive on DAZN.....

[Ruthless-RKO]

the top rank vs the pbc

First ever PPV Purse Bid.

Streamed live and exclusive via WBO HQ.

Price: $9.99

Fuuk, was really hoping the purse bids wouuld be live and exclusive on DAZN.....

Hearn/DAZN lost the purse bid to hold the purse bid..