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Re: Should Wilder demand the rematch against Fury immediately ?
Posted: 27 Feb 2020, 00:22
by margaret thatcher
dickbelden wrote: ↑26 Feb 2020, 23:41
Pukka Cheese wrote: ↑26 Feb 2020, 16:35
Doesnt Wilder have like 8 kids?
How could he turn down a rematch that guarantees millions?
fornicate that. He should take another chance to land the big KO vs Fury and if that fails and he is healthy, little rebuild job vs inhouse PBC opponents and start stalking the next big payday Shannon Briggs style...
4 ---2 sons---2 daughters.
8, he has 4 with his first wife I think
Re: Should Wilder demand the rematch against Fury immediately ?
Posted: 27 Feb 2020, 03:10
by KiwiRider
8 kids to 3 baby momma's.
That has to cost a fair bit.
Re: Should Wilder demand the rematch against Fury immediately ?
Posted: 27 Feb 2020, 13:26
by ValMar
KiwiRider wrote: ↑27 Feb 2020, 03:10
8 kids to 3 baby momma's.
That has to cost a fair bit.
Can he catch Holyfield ?
Re: Should Wilder demand the rematch against Fury immediately ?
Posted: 27 Feb 2020, 14:04
by KiwiRider
ValMar wrote: ↑27 Feb 2020, 13:26
KiwiRider wrote: ↑27 Feb 2020, 03:10
8 kids to 3 baby momma's.
That has to cost a fair bit.
Can he catch Holyfield ?
I think he has his sights set on catching Broner, and then Stuarty
Re: Should Wilder demand the rematch against Fury immediately ?
Posted: 27 Feb 2020, 14:40
by Onetimeonly
ValMar wrote: ↑27 Feb 2020, 13:26
KiwiRider wrote: ↑27 Feb 2020, 03:10
8 kids to 3 baby momma's.
That has to cost a fair bit.
Can he catch Holyfield ?
Not in payouts.
Re: Should Wilder demand the rematch against Fury immediately ?
Posted: 27 Feb 2020, 14:44
by Syntax Error
candyslim wrote: ↑26 Feb 2020, 14:29
Tony1244 wrote: ↑26 Feb 2020, 10:50
He's a decent talker. Let's agree he's not an idiot but not a genius.
According to Deontay he's not popular in the UK because we're all racists, never mind that Joshua has always been more popular than Fury and arguably so has Whyte been before Saturday. I'll meet you halfway Tony I'll agree he's not a genius.
I wonder what Wilder's excuse for not being popular in the States?
Don't tell me, racism?
He's an absolute wazzock.
He should be blaming his promoters for the reason why he's not as popular as he should be.
Re: Should Wilder demand the rematch against Fury immediately ?
Posted: 27 Feb 2020, 16:38
by snake33
When Fury hit Wilder with that first jab that snapped his head back
his legs were weakened by the load in his pants.
Re: Should Wilder demand the rematch against Fury immediately ?
Posted: 28 Feb 2020, 04:29
by candyslim
Syntax Error wrote: ↑27 Feb 2020, 14:44
candyslim wrote: ↑26 Feb 2020, 14:29
According to Deontay he's not popular in the UK because we're all racists, never mind that Joshua has always been more popular than Fury and arguably so has Whyte been before Saturday. I'll meet you halfway Tony I'll agree he's not a genius.
I wonder what Wilder's excuse for not being popular in the States?
Don't tell me, racism?
He's an absolute wazzock.
He should be blaming his promoters for the reason why he's not as popular as he should be.
Well it's not because he's boring in the ring that's for sure, and being black hasn't damaged the popularity of a great many fighters. I can only speak for the uK but who has ever been regarded with more affection than Frank Bruno? AJ is probably the closest. Wilder seems very popular among the Americans on this forum which suggests to me being black is no more of a handicap that side of the pond either.
Re: Should Wilder demand the rematch against Fury immediately ?
Posted: 28 Feb 2020, 04:43
by Ezzard
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑26 Feb 2020, 13:56
He needs to convince himself the costume did it, get a guaranteed 20 million or so, close his eyes and wing right hands. There is no sound thought otherwise. Unless he just retired.
All sounds right apart from the 20M? Is he guaranteed that? If so I cannot see the rematch generating the revenue. But if he can get 20M then he should take it. My feeling is that promoters will want to move Fury towards a bigger fight.
Wilder is a great puncher. A dangerous fighter. He can still win the lottery.
Re: Should Wilder demand the rematch against Fury immediately ?
Posted: 28 Feb 2020, 06:06
by Bandog
I think Wilder will take the rematch immediately, for a couple of reasons;
First, the money is too good to turn down, and there is a possibility Fury could retire before he gets a another chance.
Secondly, although the result was convincing, I look at it like the first fight between AJ and Ruiz. It wasn't the real AJ in there. Quite a few thought there should be no immediate rematch because of the dominant result. It turned out the rematch was justified.
Re: Should Wilder demand the rematch against Fury immediately ?
Posted: 28 Feb 2020, 06:13
by margaret thatcher
That was a rematch so Wilder already had time to adjust bruh, so why did Wilder get worse? AJ turned the result in the second Ruiz fight, Wilder got pounded in the second Fury fight and didn't win the first either
Re: Should Wilder demand the rematch against Fury immediately ?
Posted: 28 Feb 2020, 06:40
by Enlightened-One
Wilder needs to invoke the immediate rematch clause now, because he’ll needlessly miss out on a big payday if he chooses to do otherwise, as he could be forced to wait more than 18 months before he gets a shot at the winner of Fury-Joshua. And he could also suffer an interim defeat whilst waiting for another title shot.
The problem Wilder has though, is that he only has a puncher’s chance, because he has been out boxed and also outfought by Fury. All he can hope to do is land his one hitter quitter.
Deontay didn’t adapt his style to cater for the second Fury bout. He was less reckless, but could this be due to the Brit being more aggressive and forcing the American on the back foot? I don’t know.
What I do know though, is that it’s already a foregone conclusion that Wilder will use the rematch clause to force Fury to face him again.
Re: Should Wilder demand the rematch against Fury immediately ?
Posted: 28 Feb 2020, 07:38
by Thomastearns
Of course he should take the rematch - and then give half his money to Breland.
For such a brave and selfless act Deontay Wilder needs to get his head straightened out NOW before he's left heading towards a one way journey to oblivion with only sycophantic leeches for company.
First though he needs to finish his journey through the 5 stages of grief (denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance) as best he can and then get back to the attempt to regain what was his.
His story is not over yet. Far from it.
Re: Should Wilder demand the rematch against Fury immediately ?
Posted: 28 Feb 2020, 10:19
by DrDuke
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑28 Feb 2020, 06:40
Wilder needs to invoke the immediate rematch clause now, because he’ll needlessly miss out on a big payday if he chooses to do otherwise, as he could be forced to wait more than 18 months before he gets a shot at the winner of Fury-Joshua. And he could also suffer an interim defeat whilst waiting for another title shot.
The problem Wilder has though, is that he only has a puncher’s chance, because he has been out boxed and also outfought by Fury. All he can hope to do is land his one hitter quitter.
Deontay didn’t adapt his style to cater for the second Fury bout. He was less reckless, but could this be due to the Brit being more aggressive and forcing the American on the back foot? I don’t know.
What I do know though, is that it’s already a foregone conclusion that Wilder will use the rematch clause to force Fury to face him again.
Yeah, the 3rd bout is a "nothing to lose" option for Wilder. He has no belts now, but another Fury bout is at least a guaranteed payday. Probably Wilder should go for this check and then take time off.
Re: Should Wilder demand the rematch against Fury immediately ?
Posted: 28 Feb 2020, 11:46
by Onetimeonly
Ezzard wrote: ↑28 Feb 2020, 04:43
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑26 Feb 2020, 13:56
He needs to convince himself the costume did it, get a guaranteed 20 million or so, close his eyes and wing right hands. There is no sound thought otherwise. Unless he just retired.
All sounds right apart from the 20M? Is he guaranteed that? If so I cannot see the rematch generating the revenue. But if he can get 20M then he should take it. My feeling is that promoters will want to move Fury towards a bigger fight.
Wilder is a great puncher. A dangerous fighter. He can still win the lottery.
Yes, the money is set.
Re: Should Wilder demand the rematch against Fury immediately ?
Posted: 28 Feb 2020, 11:57
by Tony1244
I give Wilder almost as good of a chance of KOing Fury as I would against a Martin ora Kownacki. Take the money and run.
If Wilder is shot, take the money. If he isn't shot, he has a good chance of beating Fury. Anyone who thinks Wilder can't hurt Fury, and visa versa isn't paying attention.
Re: Should Wilder demand the rematch against Fury immediately ?
Posted: 28 Feb 2020, 13:01
by margaret thatcher
Tony1244 wrote: ↑28 Feb 2020, 11:57
I give Wilder almost as good of a chance of KOing Fury as I would against a Martin ora Kownacki. Take the money and run.
If Wilder is shot, take the money. If he isn't shot, he has a good chance of beating Fury. Anyone who thinks Wilder can't hurt Fury, and visa versa isn't paying attention.
How good a chance? He couldn't do it in the first 2 attempts and it got much worse for him the last time. You really think Fury is as easy for him to KO as it would be to KO Kow or Chuck?
Re: Should Wilder demand the rematch against Fury immediately ?
Posted: 28 Feb 2020, 13:19
by Tony1244
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑28 Feb 2020, 13:01
Tony1244 wrote: ↑28 Feb 2020, 11:57
I give Wilder almost as good of a chance of KOing Fury as I would against a Martin ora Kownacki. Take the money and run.
If Wilder is shot, take the money. If he isn't shot, he has a good chance of beating Fury. Anyone who thinks Wilder can't hurt Fury, and visa versa isn't paying attention.
How good a chance? He couldn't do it in the first 2 attempts and it got much worse for him the last time. You really think Fury is as easy for him to KO as it would be to KO Kow or Chuck?
It depends on if Wilder is shot. If he's shot, they are all a handful. If he isn't shot, he has a puncher's chance against any of them. Certainly the contenders I mentioned would be easier pickings than Fury, albeit for a lot less money and glory which is why I think he should take an immediate rematch.
Re: Should Wilder demand the rematch against Fury immediately ?
Posted: 28 Feb 2020, 13:22
by Onetimeonly
He has more than a punchers chance against Martin or cowbelly. Wtf are you talking about?
Re: Should Wilder demand the rematch against Fury immediately ?
Posted: 28 Feb 2020, 13:28
by Onetimeonly
If you're just exaggerating that they have a punchers chance against him and he really loses nothing getting his ass kicked against fury again, I don't disagree. He might never see a check like that again. Gotta jump on it.
Re: Should Wilder demand the rematch against Fury immediately ?
Posted: 28 Feb 2020, 14:01
by gilgamesh
Tony1244 wrote: ↑28 Feb 2020, 13:19
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑28 Feb 2020, 13:01
How good a chance? He couldn't do it in the first 2 attempts and it got much worse for him the last time. You really think Fury is as easy for him to KO as it would be to KO Kow or Chuck?
It depends on if Wilder is shot. If he's shot, they are all a handful. If he isn't shot, he has a puncher's chance against any of them. Certainly the contenders I mentioned would be easier pickings than Fury, albeit for a lot less money and glory which is why I think he should take an immediate rematch.
I doubt one fight made him shot, however it wouldn't shock me if the next year or two of his career resembles Foreman's post Ali run in the mid 70's where he started struggling more and more against guys you figure he wouldn't have a year or two prior.
Re: Should Wilder demand the rematch against Fury immediately ?
Posted: 28 Feb 2020, 14:11
by Tony1244
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑28 Feb 2020, 13:22
He has more than a punchers chance against Martin or cowbelly. Wtf are you talking about?
I see what you mean. Sure, I'd heavily favor him against those guys unless he was 290 or getting arrested every week. I used the phrase "puncher's chance" because that's obviously how he wins.
Re: Should Wilder demand the rematch against Fury immediately ?
Posted: 28 Feb 2020, 14:20
by gilgamesh
Tony1244 wrote: ↑28 Feb 2020, 14:11
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑28 Feb 2020, 13:22
He has more than a punchers chance against Martin or cowbelly. Wtf are you talking about?
I see what you mean. Sure, I'd heavily favor him against those guys unless he was 290 or getting arrested every week. I used the phrase "puncher's chance" because that's obviously how he wins.
I figure he could actually outbox a Charles Martin or a Kownacki. Martin especially. Martin is just kinda a one handed guy like him, and the one hand ain't as effective.
Re: Should Wilder demand the rematch against Fury immediately ?
Posted: 28 Feb 2020, 15:55
by cormack
surely there cant be high level interest in the rematch other than watching wilder get properly walloped unconscious , now that the world has noticed he cant actually box whats the point !
Re: Should Wilder demand the rematch against Fury immediately ?
Posted: 28 Feb 2020, 15:58
by Onetimeonly
stevec@france wrote: ↑28 Feb 2020, 15:55
surely there cant be high level interest in the rematch other than watching wilder get properly walloped unconscious , now that the world has noticed he cant actually box whats the point !
His paycheck is the only point. Though it did a lot better business here than I expected, that will carry over. Ppvs here aren't based on competitiveness as much as the rare occasions for sports fans to 'watch the fight'.