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"That's their [Fury and Wilder's] business, it's a right mess either way, and it's not going to resolve itself any time soon."


So Joshua v Fury is off, barring a substantial sum of step aside money to the Wilder milking machine, I mean camp.

Meanwhile Wilder v Fury 3 is definitely back on.

In the courtroom.

Is this the future of boxing in these business- heavy non-contact times of 21st century flu?

Forget about the 21st Century. This has got 20th Century Shelly Finkel written all over it.

Such a pointless fight.

So if Wilder wins we're "treated" to a fourth.

If Fury wins we know what we already know; Fury is better.

Rubber matches should be reserved for rivalries that don't already have a clear winner.

no rubber match yet tbf

If it must happen because of all contract stuff, then hopefully it happens as fast as possible and Fury KOs Wilder as fast and brutal as possible. Wilder deserves it.

Wilder's advisors are doing the right thing (for them and, probably, Deontay). Their best option at the moment money-wise is the third fight with Fury. If they can make the contracts stand-up, great, if they can't where next? Joshua is going to be looking at Fury, so who are you left with for big dough?

I have a feeling the arbitration judge is likely to side with Top Rank and Fury.

I appreciate I'm in the minority, because the media are claiming that Fury will be legally compelled to face 'The Bronze Bomber' again, but it's just that I feel Team Wilder's legal argument is relatively weak.

Who knows? Perhaps there's small print in the contract, which supports Wilder’s legal argument that hasn't been disclosed to the media?

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑17 Nov 2020, 10:01 I have a feeling the arbitration judge is likely to side with Top Rank and Fury.

I appreciate I'm in the minority, because the media are claiming that Fury will be legally compelled to face 'The Bronze Bomber' again, but it's just that I feel Team Wilder's legal argument is relatively weak.

Who knows? Perhaps there's small print in the contract, which supports Wilder’s legal argument that hasn't been disclosed to the media?

Obviously the judge is meant to be neutral but do you really think a US judge will rule to take tens of millions out of the US economy? I was led to believe that money was everything in the US legal system?

Wilder is a diva and need to stop playing around, he lost so what? He still got his house and millions, and kicking Breland was a mistake when it comes to getting ride of the "snakes"!

Wilder now claiming Fury’s fingernails scratched deep inside his ear to cause all that bleeding...

Now Wilder claims he has moved on. (Guess arbitration wasn't gonna work)
I think Ruiz would be a good fight for him.

snake33 wrote: ↑17 Nov 2020, 16:31 Now Wilder claims he has moved on. (Guess arbitration wasn't gonna work)
I think Ruiz would be a good fight for him.

Ruiz would be a good fight for Ruiz

Deontay Wilder mediation will only lead to payout, Tyson Fury trilogy OFF

American heavyweight Deontay Wilder will never get another shot at Tyson Fury, that’s according to vibes Eddie Hearn gets on the situation.

The Matchroom promoter is currently attempting to thrash out a deal with Fury’s US handler Bob Arum. Hearn says Wilder is no longer an issue.

Wilder had indeed launched mediation with a third party over Fury backing out of a contracted trilogy. Co-manager Shelly Finkel has not informed WBN that the process is over yet.

Hearn believes whatever happens, ‘The Bronze Bomber’ no longer has any claims to fighting Fury despite the possibility of a payoff.

The Essex man says Wilder took post-fight comments on Fury, took far, and burned bridges after losing in the seventh round.

Speaking to Sky Sports, Hearn said: “Again, I can’t talk on behalf of Tyson Fury, but the vibe I’m getting from everything I’ve seen on social media is he isn’t giving Deontay Wilder another chance or another shot ever.

“Especially after he said what he said. The accusations of him being a cheat. Tampering with his gloves, people putting stuff in his drinks.

“It was bizarre. That was even more bizarre than 2020 itself,” Hearn added.

DEONTAY WILDER TRILOGY

Regarding Top Rank boss Arum’s take of Fury vs. Wilder III, Hearn is happy with the situation after assurances.

“He (Arum) is not too concerned. He feels like the (Fury vs. Wilder) contract is over.

“There is an arbitration going on in that respect. I don’t see that as an issue.”

Concluding on Wilder and putting a firm full stop on any future chances of a Fury third fight, Hearn pointed out: “If there is (a contract), Fury has to give Wilder some compensation to take these two fights.”

Hearn’s statement means Wilder is not getting another shot at Fury no matter what happens, even in mediation.

Should any legal matter go against Fury, Hearn sees money as the only thing Wilder will be able to recover from his disgruntlement.

In other words the purse guarantees are so damn high Al and Bob would lose a bunch of money

So instead they pay wilder some money to release from the contract. Everyone wins

How much do we guesstimate Tyson would have to pay Wilder?

If you are wilder:

3rd fight you make 20 million to get beat up

Or

X amount to release contract and get 5mm or so in a comeback bout against Charles martin (i bet hes the lamb)

How much is X worth in your mind?

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑14 Jan 2021, 13:30 If you are wilder:

3rd fight you make 20 million to get beat up

Or

X amount to release contract and get 5mm or so in a comeback bout against Charles martin (i bet hes the lamb)

How much is X worth in your mind?

I think 5 million is probably about right.
But I think Wilder will finally realize that the heavyweight title will be tied up with Fury vs Joshua and the inevitable rematch of it.
Then mandatory fights after. That Wilder will possibly go the Bridgerweight route for some money and easier fights.

He'll want the full $20 million at least. The other guy is striding off to make ten times that (two fights with Joshua).

If he takes 5 million off Fury and 5 million against Martin, he'll end up with ~$3 or 4 million after all expenses and tax.

Fury will gross $200 million and net about $80 million after all expenses and tax (more if he relocates).

this isnt tba at this point is it, seems more likely it never happens, at least not until aj-fury does

Jimmy2020 wrote: ↑14 Jan 2021, 14:09 He'll want the full $20 million at least. The other guy is striding off to make ten times that (two fights with Joshua).

If he takes 5 million off Fury and 5 million against Martin, he'll end up with ~$3 or 4 million after all expenses and tax.

Fury will gross $200 million and net about $80 million after all expenses and tax (more if he relocates).

I just want to hear that this is officially off and the AJ fight is officially on. Wilder is an embarrassment to the sport.

Arum: Fury Told Me He Will Never Fight Wilder For a Third Time

“There’s no mediation. I mean, there has been over Christmas, and New Year, there was mediation. I don’t know, maybe the mediator will be able to solve the situation, but we got a real problem because Tyson Fury has said to me and the mediator, ‘Not today, not tomorrow, and not ever’ will he ever fight Wilder after what Wilder said to him," Arum told Barbershop Conversations.

“He [Fury] regards is not only as a slur against him but against the Gypsy nation.”

I can't think of any sporting, legal or commercial justification for Tyson Fury to voluntarily face Deontay Wilder for the third time rather than fight Anthony Joshua.

Even if the AJ bout was somehow taken off the table, The Gypsy King could earn a better payday fighting Dillian Whyte rather than The Bronze Bomber.

And to be fair, some of Wilder's recent accusations about Mark Breland, Tyson Fury, coupled with various excuses (spiked water, his entrance walk outfit being too heavy, his trainer wrongly throwing in the towel, cheating by wearing gloves incorrectly, an egg-shaped foreign object in the gloves, referee bias, injured bicep etc.) really undermine his credibility.

Jimmy2020 wrote: ↑14 Jan 2021, 14:09 He'll want the full $20 million at least. The other guy is striding off to make ten times that (two fights with Joshua).

If he takes 5 million off Fury and 5 million against Martin, he'll end up with ~$3 or 4 million after all expenses and tax.

Fury will gross $200 million and net about $80 million after all expenses and tax (more if he relocates).

He will want it but settle for less. When you get into legal battles they are long and costly and makes more sense to settle for less.

Plus fury can probably sue him for defamation - that wont go anywhere given fury suffered jo financial harm, but it will tie up things further

everybody who didn't already ca5ch it, watch

"last stand podcast with brian custer"

with wilder on utube to witness the full effects this loss had on him.

a beating he received by fury's 'loaded with eggweights' gloves, while worn out by the costume, drugged by his own trainer and betrayed by practically everybody else.

that hour long rant is just next level shit.

As much as I enjoy watching him fight, i just can't stand to listen to Wilder speak. He is totally delusional and the disconnect between what he says and what he does has always made me want to switch off. All this bragging about one name, one face, one champion ... utter bollocks. You've only got to look at the speed at which Joshua and Fury have agreed to a showdown to see who was serious and who wasn't

I always thought you needed to be a complete f*cking idiot to think Joshua was ducking Wilder, long before Wilder turned down US$ 120,000,000

What's all this about " THE 20 million dollars"? Do we seriously think that a third fight generates sufficient interest that the PPV enables Wilder to get paid 20 million dollars, or was this supposed to be coming out of Bob Arum's retirement fund or something?