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Enlightened-One
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If the networks and promoters are really desperate to stage and televise a boxing event, they’ll eventually find a geographical location that permits it.
I’ve briefly watched a video of the WWE’s most recent Wrestlemania event, which was staged behind closed doors… and I must say, there was zero atmosphere.
It just seemed like a very weird experimental and rather desperate attempt at a money-grab.
I had the same opinion whenever I’ve watched football matches in empty stadiums.
I think boxing will be unwatchable if bouts are staged in a similar environment. The same surely applies to MMA.
However, I realise this is a very subjective issue and others will likely disagree.
I’ve briefly watched a video of the WWE’s most recent Wrestlemania event, which was staged behind closed doors… and I must say, there was zero atmosphere.
It just seemed like a very weird experimental and rather desperate attempt at a money-grab.
I had the same opinion whenever I’ve watched football matches in empty stadiums.
I think boxing will be unwatchable if bouts are staged in a similar environment. The same surely applies to MMA.
However, I realise this is a very subjective issue and others will likely disagree.
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Jeff_lacy_ko
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So you changed your mind from 2 weeks ago?
You will watch. We all will. We love boxing and we miss it. Boxing isnt wwe
You will watch. We all will. We love boxing and we miss it. Boxing isnt wwe
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No. I haven’t changed my mind. My position has been consistent since I started discussing the matter in this thread eleven days ago.
This is an extract of my previous post that I posted half an hour or so ago:
Here are my previous comments I submitted to this thread, which you even read and responded to, so you must have seen them!!!Enlightened-One wrote: ↑07 Apr 2020, 10:10If the networks and promoters are really desperate to stage and televise a boxing event, they’ll eventually find a geographical location that permits it.
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑27 Mar 2020, 10:19If the networks and promoters are really desperate to stage and televise a boxing event, they’ll have to find a geographical location that permits it and isn’t significantly affected by COVID-19.
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑27 Mar 2020, 11:50If there are places in the Caribbean, Wyoming or West Virginia that are unaffected by COVID-19 and the various governing bodies permit it, then those geographical regions will be able to stage bouts.Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑27 Mar 2020, 11:19 Wonderful
Would the Caribbean host a fight? Wyoming? West Virginia? If the money is right things will happen.
How many times do you need to be told the same thing over-and-over again until you finally comprehend the words that you've read?Enlightened-One wrote: ↑27 Mar 2020, 19:30I’m not saying you’re wrong by the way, some promoters will probably attempt to stage shows during May in geographical areas minimally affected by the coronavirus...Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑27 Mar 2020, 17:18 If it last only til april i agree with you
If this stretchches to may we see this happen
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Jeff_lacy_ko
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I gotcha. You took 2 sides of the argument
Earlier you said its stupid and moronic to think this would happen. Then you said it would happen.
My fault
Earlier you said its stupid and moronic to think this would happen. Then you said it would happen.
My fault
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It is your fault, nobody else has made false accusations.Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑07 Apr 2020, 10:48 I gotcha. You took 2 sides of the argument
Earlier you said its stupid and moronic to think this would happen. Then you said it would happen.
My fault
I repeated myself multiple times in this thread, by claiming that boxing events won’t be permitted by the various sporting and government bodies in geographical areas dealing with the coronavirus, such as New York.
The reason I believe this to be the case, is because I don’t feel that professionally trained medical personnel, such as ambulancemen, nurses & doctors, would be allowed to leave their posts at hospitals struggling to deal with the coronavirus, in order to attend boxing events that are being staged purely for entertainment purposes.
My opinion hasn’t changed, and I definitely haven’t straddled the fence!
Do you need me to remind you by requoting my posts again or will you please apologise for making (hopefully) an innocent mistake?
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Jeff_lacy_ko
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You said it was "outrageously moronic" to think of staging boxing or other sporting events
I took that to mean in general not just in hotspots
I took that to mean in general not just in hotspots
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I provided the same explanations at least four times - there's no justification to claim I believe something I didn't even write.Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑07 Apr 2020, 11:48 You said it was "outrageously moronic" to think of staging boxing or other sporting events
I took that to mean in general not just in hotspots
I'll assume you simply made an innocent mistake.
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There will be fights by July or at the very latest August, maybe sooner.
There will be plenty horror in the world between now and then. Pray
for the people who are dying. The boxing thing will resolve itself shortly.
There will be plenty horror in the world between now and then. Pray
for the people who are dying. The boxing thing will resolve itself shortly.
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One thing for certain, when boxing does come back it will be local fighters/local shows for a while longer.
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I hate to say I told you so, but I stated that this was going to happen (not specifically for UFC 249, but for sports combat events in general):
"UFC 249 canceled after ESPN and parent company Disney intervene"
• Promotion says card won’t happen on 18 April as scheduled
• Disney and ESPN stepped in, asking for Dana White to cancel
• UFC defiance of Covid-19 outbreak is reckless, irresponsible
UFC 249 was canceled Thursday after ESPN and parent company Disney stopped UFC president Dana White’s plan to keep fighting amid the coronavirus pandemic.
After defiantly vowing for weeks to maintain a regular schedule of fights while the rest of the sports world halted, White confirmed the decision to cease competition in a text to the Associated Press.
“I was ready to go on Saturday, but Disney and ESPN asked me to step down,” White wrote. “I love and respect my partnership with them so I postponed the event.”
UFC 249 was scheduled for 18 April on ESPN Plus pay-per-view, and White planned to follow it with regular fight cards from Tachi Palace Hotel & Casino on tribal land in California’s Central Valley.
In an interview on ESPN, White said he “got a call from the highest level you can go at Disney and the highest level of ESPN” asking him to cancel the shows. The UFC moved to ESPN in 2019 with a reported $1.5bn deal.
While the UFC won’t have fights in the upcoming weeks, White said he is still pursuing his plan to build an octagon and everything else necessary to telecast small fight shows on an unidentified private island. White had planned to use the so-called “Fight Island” in upcoming months for non-American fighters who couldn’t get into the US.
“Fight Island infrastructure is being built and will be up and running ASAP,” White told the AP.
White’s frustration with Disney’s decision was obvious after he had repeatedly vowed to fight on amid mixed public opinion. He has described the past month of preparation for UFC 249 as the most challenging part of his fight promotion career, which began as the UFC’s president in 2001.
The UFC boss still remained upbeat, vowing to be “the first sport back” after the pandemic eases.
White announced the cancellation shortly after US senator Dianne Feinstein issued a statement urging the mixed martial arts promotion to reconsider its plan. A few hours earlier, former strawweight champion Rose Namajunas dropped out of her co-main event bout at UFC 249 after two deaths in her family related to the pandemic.
The UFC planned to stage the fights in an empty arena owned by the Santa Rosa Indian Community of the Tachi Yokut Tribe. White never publicly disclosed the location of the upcoming fight cards until he announced their cancellation, likely to avoid the scrutiny that arrived shortly after the location was reported in MMA media over the weekend.
“Tachi Palace has had our back this whole time, has stood their ground and was willing to do this fight,” White told ESPN.
White also vowed to pay back that loyalty with an upcoming show: “I’m going to bring them a big fight, and I appreciate them standing with me in this thing.”
Tribal land isn’t subject to the state government’s shelter-in-place order, and Tachi Palace has a long history of hosting combat sports events in Lemoore, California, about 40 miles south of Fresno.
“This event would involve dozens of individuals flying to California and driving to a casino for a purpose no one can honestly claim is essential,” Feinstein wrote. “At best this event ties up medical resources and sends a message that shelter-in-place orders can be flouted. At worst, participants and support staff could carry the virus back to their home communities and increase its spread.”
Although White’s plan to keep his fighters employed was ultimately thwarted, he vowed to minimize the economic disruption of the pandemic for UFC fighters and employees. White and former owners Lorenzo and Frank Fertitta sold the UFC to Endeavor for an estimated $4bn in 2016.
“All of my fighters that are under contract with me, I want them to feel safe,” White said. “Take time with your families and enjoy this time. Don’t worry about the financial part of this. You’re going to get the fights on your contract, and I’m going to make things right with the people who were willing to step up and fight next weekend. I’m going to take care of as many people as I possibly can.”
White also addressed the UFC’s employees: “Nobody is getting laid off at the UFC. Everybody is good.”
The UFC held a full fight card in an empty arena in Brazil last month in the early days of global reaction to the pandemic, but canceled its ensuing three shows after attempting to hold two of the cards in an empty arena owned by the UFC in Las Vegas. The Nevada State Athletic Commission’s temporary ban on combat sports stopped that plan.
"UFC 249 canceled after ESPN and parent company Disney intervene"
• Promotion says card won’t happen on 18 April as scheduled
• Disney and ESPN stepped in, asking for Dana White to cancel
• UFC defiance of Covid-19 outbreak is reckless, irresponsible
UFC 249 was canceled Thursday after ESPN and parent company Disney stopped UFC president Dana White’s plan to keep fighting amid the coronavirus pandemic.
After defiantly vowing for weeks to maintain a regular schedule of fights while the rest of the sports world halted, White confirmed the decision to cease competition in a text to the Associated Press.
“I was ready to go on Saturday, but Disney and ESPN asked me to step down,” White wrote. “I love and respect my partnership with them so I postponed the event.”
UFC 249 was scheduled for 18 April on ESPN Plus pay-per-view, and White planned to follow it with regular fight cards from Tachi Palace Hotel & Casino on tribal land in California’s Central Valley.
In an interview on ESPN, White said he “got a call from the highest level you can go at Disney and the highest level of ESPN” asking him to cancel the shows. The UFC moved to ESPN in 2019 with a reported $1.5bn deal.
While the UFC won’t have fights in the upcoming weeks, White said he is still pursuing his plan to build an octagon and everything else necessary to telecast small fight shows on an unidentified private island. White had planned to use the so-called “Fight Island” in upcoming months for non-American fighters who couldn’t get into the US.
“Fight Island infrastructure is being built and will be up and running ASAP,” White told the AP.
White’s frustration with Disney’s decision was obvious after he had repeatedly vowed to fight on amid mixed public opinion. He has described the past month of preparation for UFC 249 as the most challenging part of his fight promotion career, which began as the UFC’s president in 2001.
The UFC boss still remained upbeat, vowing to be “the first sport back” after the pandemic eases.
White announced the cancellation shortly after US senator Dianne Feinstein issued a statement urging the mixed martial arts promotion to reconsider its plan. A few hours earlier, former strawweight champion Rose Namajunas dropped out of her co-main event bout at UFC 249 after two deaths in her family related to the pandemic.
The UFC planned to stage the fights in an empty arena owned by the Santa Rosa Indian Community of the Tachi Yokut Tribe. White never publicly disclosed the location of the upcoming fight cards until he announced their cancellation, likely to avoid the scrutiny that arrived shortly after the location was reported in MMA media over the weekend.
“Tachi Palace has had our back this whole time, has stood their ground and was willing to do this fight,” White told ESPN.
White also vowed to pay back that loyalty with an upcoming show: “I’m going to bring them a big fight, and I appreciate them standing with me in this thing.”
Tribal land isn’t subject to the state government’s shelter-in-place order, and Tachi Palace has a long history of hosting combat sports events in Lemoore, California, about 40 miles south of Fresno.
“This event would involve dozens of individuals flying to California and driving to a casino for a purpose no one can honestly claim is essential,” Feinstein wrote. “At best this event ties up medical resources and sends a message that shelter-in-place orders can be flouted. At worst, participants and support staff could carry the virus back to their home communities and increase its spread.”
Although White’s plan to keep his fighters employed was ultimately thwarted, he vowed to minimize the economic disruption of the pandemic for UFC fighters and employees. White and former owners Lorenzo and Frank Fertitta sold the UFC to Endeavor for an estimated $4bn in 2016.
“All of my fighters that are under contract with me, I want them to feel safe,” White said. “Take time with your families and enjoy this time. Don’t worry about the financial part of this. You’re going to get the fights on your contract, and I’m going to make things right with the people who were willing to step up and fight next weekend. I’m going to take care of as many people as I possibly can.”
White also addressed the UFC’s employees: “Nobody is getting laid off at the UFC. Everybody is good.”
The UFC held a full fight card in an empty arena in Brazil last month in the early days of global reaction to the pandemic, but canceled its ensuing three shows after attempting to hold two of the cards in an empty arena owned by the UFC in Las Vegas. The Nevada State Athletic Commission’s temporary ban on combat sports stopped that plan.
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Onetimeonly
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I don't expect major boxing this year.
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People will accept this total shutdown in the short term.....but this can’t go on for 6 months or more....at some point it’s not worth it.
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UFC was bagged by Disney because of “optics”.
Even tho they were going to ban fans, and test all fighters/coaches and stage it on an Indian reservation that has very little spread locally. 100% optics. Once someone in an individual sport green lights the return and things go well, it will make other sports feel safer about doing so, in certain areas. You’re not going to see any sports in NY for a while. UFC will be the first to return. On Mortal Kombat Island.
Even tho they were going to ban fans, and test all fighters/coaches and stage it on an Indian reservation that has very little spread locally. 100% optics. Once someone in an individual sport green lights the return and things go well, it will make other sports feel safer about doing so, in certain areas. You’re not going to see any sports in NY for a while. UFC will be the first to return. On Mortal Kombat Island.
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I would give you 50-1 odds that you are wrong. It’s April 11th.
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When I say 50-1 odds there will be boxing this year. I mean ANY boxing. Not Spence vs Crawford.
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Sounds like prime RJJ negotiations. No further apart than the Earth and the moon.
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Doesn't Covid-19 give you some sort of exemption?Onetimeonly wrote: ↑21 Mar 2020, 20:37They just suspended my unemployment over work searches.diddy wrote: ↑21 Mar 2020, 20:25 The kill rate in the states is at 1% right now. As hundreds of thousands more are tested it will drop to half of 1%. Which is the same as the flu which actually HAS a vaccine. Once the death rate gets slashed people will start to revolt on top of the economy absolutely needing to restart. The economy absolutely can not tolerate more than a month of this. They won’t have vaccine for a year. Nobody is waiting a year. People have families to support. Unemployment wages are trash. As of now seclusion is needed because the hospitals just don’t have the supplies they need to keep up. That is changing. A few weeks from now hospitals will have many more ventilators to treat the most serious cases and with further testing they will be more confident on which anti-viral drugs are able to best control this. Long story short - this is still going to kill some people. Just like malaria, measels, tuberculosis, flu, etc. Some herd immunity will also develop over time. It will get better.![]()
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I just read Morales is donating groceries and handing them out. He mentioned arranging a charity exhibition with mab. Great thought that would turn violent.
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Jeff_lacy_ko
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Oh man that would be epicOnetimeonly wrote: ↑12 Apr 2020, 12:12 I just read Morales is donating groceries and handing them out. He mentioned arranging a charity exhibition with mab. Great thought that would turn violent.
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There’s no way to clearly quantify that. The definition of that can vary by individual.
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Jeff_lacy_ko
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Ok make it a bet such as:
These fighters will not fight this year
Canelo alvarez
Anthony joshua
Lomachenko
Those are 3 huge names and all are healthy. If they dont fight you win the bet
These fighters will not fight this year
Canelo alvarez
Anthony joshua
Lomachenko
Those are 3 huge names and all are healthy. If they dont fight you win the bet