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oogiebe wrote: ↑12 Apr 2020, 18:48

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑12 Apr 2020, 18:44 Whitaker was better than pep. His lone win against was impressive. I'll give you that. Sandy was an incredibly dirty fighter. Maybe the dirtiest.

Yes. Sweet Pea is higher on the ATG list by a lot. Pep's performance vs Saddler in that fight was incredible, especially considering that Pep couldn't punch his way out of a paper bag.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑12 Apr 2020, 22:19

oogiebe wrote: ↑12 Apr 2020, 18:48
Yes. Sweet Pea is higher on the ATG list by a lot. Pep's performance vs Saddler in that fight was incredible, especially considering that Pep couldn't punch his way out of a paper bag.

I don't know if that's the case, just more skilled and pleasing to the eye. Willie had pop, he just lost it after he broke his body. I think he broke a couple jaws fairly shortly before the accident.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑12 Apr 2020, 18:18 I don't mind seeing good defense on display. It's just not exciting when the other guy is just kinda staring at you.

Wilder made for a much more interesting opponent than Wlad.

Too cautious the 1st time around, but at least he tried to win.

oogiebe wrote: ↑12 Apr 2020, 22:21

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑12 Apr 2020, 22:19
I don't know if that's the case, just more skilled and pleasing to the eye. Willie had pop, he just lost it after he broke his body. I think he broke a couple jaws fairly shortly before the accident.

Meh...breaking a jaw can happen merely by hitting someone their mouth open. I'm sure it's happened to Jip many times.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑12 Apr 2020, 22:22

oogiebe wrote: ↑12 Apr 2020, 22:21

Meh...breaking a jaw can happen merely by hitting someone their mouth open. I'm sure it's happened to Jip many times.

He was stopping more guys than he was decisioning.

oogiebe wrote: ↑12 Apr 2020, 22:26

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑12 Apr 2020, 22:22
He was stopping more guys than he was decisioning.

Over 200 wins and just over 60 ko's or so.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑12 Apr 2020, 22:30

oogiebe wrote: ↑12 Apr 2020, 22:26
Over 200 wins and just over 60 ko's or so.

oogiebe wrote: ↑12 Apr 2020, 22:31

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑12 Apr 2020, 22:30

Yes, yes...facts are funny. Good nite Saad.

oogiebe wrote: ↑12 Apr 2020, 22:26

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑12 Apr 2020, 22:22
He was stopping more guys than he was decisioning.

Over 200 wins and just over 60 ko's or so.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑13 Apr 2020, 13:58

oogiebe wrote: ↑12 Apr 2020, 22:26
Over 200 wins and just over 60 ko's or so.

I don't remember at what point in his career this happened, but somewhere along the way he was in a plane crash that nearly ended his career. The fact that he was ever able to reach Championship level success after the injury is miraculous.

I'm sure he was more effective in every way prior to that injury. Punching power, defense, movement. The whole 9.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑12 Apr 2020, 22:39

oogiebe wrote: ↑12 Apr 2020, 22:31
Yes, yes...facts are funny. Good nite Saad.

Yeah, go to bed. Much better than arguing just because you give a damn what that fat slob thinks. The facts were delivered by me. Willie pep was knocking out more guys than usual, he had a horrible accident, he clearly wasn't the same .

It gets tiring teaching you pansies all the time.

oogiebe wrote: ↑13 Apr 2020, 16:05

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑12 Apr 2020, 22:39

Yeah, go to bed. Much better than arguing just because you give a damn what that fat slob thinks. The facts were delivered by me. Willie pep was knocking out more guys than usual, he had a horrible accident, he clearly wasn't the same .

It gets tiring teaching you pansies all the time.

Sometimes I'm not really sure why you are here at all.

oogiebe wrote: ↑13 Apr 2020, 16:05

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑12 Apr 2020, 22:39

Yeah, go to bed. Much better than arguing just because you give a damn what that fat slob thinks. The facts were delivered by me. Willie pep was knocking out more guys than usual, he had a horrible accident, he clearly wasn't the same .

It gets tiring teaching you pansies all the time.

Sometimes I'm not really sure why you are here at all.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑14 Apr 2020, 02:02

oogiebe wrote: ↑13 Apr 2020, 16:05

Sometimes I'm not really sure why you are here at all.

But, but, but, you two are the same guy

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑14 Apr 2020, 09:07

oogiebe wrote: ↑13 Apr 2020, 16:05

Sometimes I'm not really sure why you are here at all.

I'm here to give the gift of my knowledge. Acceptance is up to the underlings like you.

Gil, the last fight before the full body cast he knocked out chalky wright. It's not easy to spot in his record because I think he was back in the ring in 4 or 5 months. Miraculous comeback from a guy who clearly could punch his way out of a paper bag.

Tbh, I post here more to keep interest in this rancid product. Boxing really sucks.

aicheligad wrote: ↑11 Jan 2021, 11:25 It was a shame that Klitschko-Fury was so boring, I've invited some friends to watch this fight hoping that it will make them get into boxing (some of them weren't even casuals). To be honest, I've expected Klitschko to win in a similar fashion as he did in Pulev fight, I had some doubts though due to Wlad's unimpressive showing against Jennings, but I was thinking that if it's going to be competetive then it's even better.

DrDuke wrote: ↑11 Jan 2021, 11:45

aicheligad wrote: ↑11 Jan 2021, 11:25 It was a shame that Klitschko-Fury was so boring, I've invited some friends to watch this fight hoping that it will make them get into boxing (some of them weren't even casuals). To be honest, I've expected Klitschko to win in a similar fashion as he did in Pulev fight, I had some doubts though due to Wlad's unimpressive showing against Jennings, but I was thinking that if it's going to be competetive then it's even better.

Despite of the fact of the fight being eventless, I had a positive feel while watching it live, because I had become anti-Klitschko during the reign of the brothers, I had been expecting Wlad simply to destroy Fury in several rounds, even more confidently than Pulev, and I was simply shocked in a positive sense, while I was watching Klitschko losing round after round. I've become a Fury fan since that fight.

DrDuke wrote: ↑09 Apr 2020, 04:04 No really shameful fights are listed here. "Boring" because of being tactial isn't shameful. So, the likes of Haye-Valuev, Wlad-Haye, Fury-Wlad, Joshua-Ruiz II aren't fitting the list.

I agree on every John Ruiz bout, because they all were hugging contests, that was clearly an excessive holing for Ruiz in every damn case. That's a violation of boxing rules. Ruiz should have been disqualified in many of his fights. Furthermore, he even sometimes had corrupt judges behind him, like against Holyfield in the 3rd bout and against Golota. Although he himself was robbed against Valuev. Btw, Lewis-Akinwande is correctly choosed, Akinwande's case is an example of what should have been done with Ruiz.

Tyson-Holyfield II is a good example, because Tyson obviously performed like an idiot there, professional athletes on the elite level can't do like that. Lewis-McCall is about the same, as McCall was simply refusing to fight.

I'd make such list:

1. Tyson-Holyfield II - the fight spoiled because of severe intentional fouling.
2. Ruiz-Johnson - foulish hugging by Ruiz all the fight long, but eventually Johnson was DQed. Yes, fairly, but just Ruiz was unfairly not DQed earlier.
3. Lewis-McCall II - McCall refused to fight. It would be better for him if he just quitted, but he provided that bizarre surviving performance.
4. Ruiz-Holyfield III - again foulish hugging by Ruiz, awarding a draw for him. And no one needed this bout because of the fact that there already were two boring hugging contests of them.
5. Ruiz-Golota - trademark foulish hugging by Ruiz and a robbery.
6. Ruiz-Rahman - the same, although it's not a clear robbery, a win could be given to anyone here. There was just too much hugging and almost no boxing. Initiated by we know who.
7. Ruiz-Valuev I - The same, but surprisingly Ruiz finally looked clearly more convincing, than his opponent, but Valuev was ironically awarded a win.
8. Ruiz-Valuev II - almost a repetition of their first bout.
9. Page-Coetzee - Coetzee KOed long after the bell.
10. Valuev-Holyfield - an eventless bout and a robbery.

P.S. That's why I consider Ruiz the most shameful champ ever. Not literally the worst, but the most shameful. Valuev is about the same. A couple of the dirtiest spots on the history of boxing.

DrDuke wrote: ↑16 Jan 2021, 15:57 Ruiz didn't even fought all those guys. Hugged, held, embraced, whatever, but that sh*t could have been barely qualified as a fight. The motherf*cker should have been DQed on multiple occasions. He was just protected by Don King's corrupt influence.