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margaret thatcher wrote: ↑06 Aug 2020, 15:33

Shhhh wrote: ↑06 Aug 2020, 15:16 Hamed’s sons sparring Brook in the gym. I would suggest they’re very inexperienced.

hopefully just playing aroud, the hands down, stance switching cutie pie game is not the game to play when you've hardly just begun to box

the one in the grey shirt looked better

Kell is playing there.

Wales wrote: ↑07 Aug 2020, 20:21

coghaugen11 wrote: ↑06 Aug 2020, 14:29

Roy was also the only one to pick Benn to beat McClellan.


Roy went for Benn in four or five, saying Benn's power is being overlooked. 'At one time, Benn was 22-0 with 22 knockouts. I didn't do that, Oscar De La Hoya didn't do that. Nobody hardly got that far with straight knockouts. If Gerald is looking to end it in round one like he says, that's disrespecting Benn's punching ability and asking for trouble.'

Roy picked McClellan too.


RJJ: "Yeah, McClellan would be interesting. He hits harder than anyone else."

Q: "You think he'll beat Nigel Benn in London?"

RJJ: "Yeah, I think McClellan beats Benn. But, maybe, just maybe, its gonna be tighter than some people expect. Nigel's a real warrior, he can still bang abit-and I think McClellans jaw is kind of suspect when he gets tagged..."

Q: "But can Benns own chin absorb too many McClellan punches?"

RJJ: "No, probably not. Eventualy, Benn will go..."

Q: "Which will leave McClellan calling even louder for you..."

RJJ: "Sure, he knows that I'm the guy who'll earn him some real money."

In KO magazine it listed his pick as Benn

Don’t know mate - that’s from the book dark trade

Used to sit and watch his fights with me dad and can remember us both wanting him to get chinned every time. I hated him but he was very exciting

smiling assassin wrote: ↑09 Aug 2020, 04:35 Used to sit and watch his fights with me dad and can remember us both wanting him to get chinned every time. I hated him but he was very exciting

Exactly how I felt about him as an adolescent

I loved him I used to think of him as the Eminem, Dennis Rodman or even the Madonna of boxing (Macho Camacho qualified as that in my opinion too) crazy, controversial, but also fun, wild, and without a shadow of a doubt, awesome!

That was the time, the 90s, Jerry Springer, Eminem, and Naseem Hamed!

And Im glad he is in the IBHOF. He had a lot of detractors for sure and I thought the HOF was going to shun him for a long time the way they have unfairly done to Hamed;s victim Wilfredo Vazquez Sr. as well as Sugar De Leon, Alfredo Escalera, Esteban De Jesus,, Juan Martin Coggi, Jose Luis Ramirez, Santos Laciar, Marvin Johnson and Rodrigo Valdes!

Stone Cold Steve Austin, Oasis

AntonioMartin wrote: ↑09 Aug 2020, 08:24 I loved him I used to think of him as the Eminem, Dennis Rodman or even the Madonna of boxing (Macho Camacho qualified as that in my opinion too) crazy, controversial, but also fun, wild, and without a shadow of a doubt, awesome!

That was the time, the 90s, jerry Springer, Eminem, and Naseem Hamed!

And Im glad he is in the IBHOF. He had a lot of detractors for sure and I thought the HOF was going to shun him for a long time the way they have unfairly done to Hamed;s victim Wilfred Vazquez Sr. as well as Sugar De Leon, Alfredo Escalera, Esteban De Jesus,, Juan Marin Coggi, Jose Luis Ramirez, Santos Laciar, Marvin Johnson and Rodrigo Valdes!

Someone like De Leon is boarderline I think, defo not unfair. I can see his case and there are worse and less accomplished than him in, but while he beat a lot of guys I think the opposition he beat wasn't really that good and he benefited from the underdevelopment of the division

Guys like Laciar and Valdes, I think should be in though. And Vasquez sr was an excellent little road warrior, got a lot of respect for guys like that

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑09 Aug 2020, 14:07

AntonioMartin wrote: ↑09 Aug 2020, 08:24 I loved him I used to think of him as the Eminem, Dennis Rodman or even the Madonna of boxing (Macho Camacho qualified as that in my opinion too) crazy, controversial, but also fun, wild, and without a shadow of a doubt, awesome!

That was the time, the 90s, jerry Springer, Eminem, and Naseem Hamed!

And Im glad he is in the IBHOF. He had a lot of detractors for sure and I thought the HOF was going to shun him for a long time the way they have unfairly done to Hamed;s victim Wilfred Vazquez Sr. as well as Sugar De Leon, Alfredo Escalera, Esteban De Jesus,, Juan Marin Coggi, Jose Luis Ramirez, Santos Laciar, Marvin Johnson and Rodrigo Valdes!

Someone like De Leon is boarderline I think, defo not unfair. I can see his case and there are worse and less accomplished than him in, but while he beat a lot of guys I think the opposition he beat wasn't really that good and he benefited from the underdevelopment of the division

Guys like Laciar and Valdes, I think should be in though. And Vasquez sr was an excellent little road warrior, got a lot of respect for guys like that

4 sure!

https://www.ringtv.com/390727-best-ive- ... azquez-sr/

Vasquez thought Hamed was the best

My 12yr old nephew thought Nas was the best too.

He was wrong also.

I think it's an age thing. Little kids at that time seeing him had no clue what they were watching .. as they have grown up, and their boxing knowledge has increased - they still rate him through their own bias and rose tinted glasses.

It's telling that the Yanks were/are generally dismissive about him. Typical UK hype job who got found out.

Straight away the Americans thought he was absolutely terrible and laughable.

Even looking back at him vs those Venezuelans ranked 30th on ITV you can see now that he didn't have a clue how to box, missing by wide margins and swaying himself back on-balance

The Yanks were told he was another Roy Jones, or Pernell Whitaker with a punch, they were shocked what they saw - laughing their asses off

Opinions are like assholes , everyone has one ,,, Mine on Naz is simply he was great , he brought crowds and tv back to British boxing , his style was gtreat to watch , he was exciting to watch , from his entrance right through to when he got knocked down , got up and knocked down or out his opponent ,, he was FANTASTIC for British boxing ,,, But thats from a fans point of view ,, when you sit and anylize him , his opponents were buil;t up but never really the best out there , when he did meet a master on his game he was , well really shown up for being a bit crude and cocky , still he was brilliant for british boxing ......Personaly i rate Khan higher , Ok he looked chinny , but NO ONE can question his heart , and he fought BETTER FIGHTERS , which to me means he was the better fighter ... notice i say was , because i think he's finished has well .

British boxing was already at its zenith before Naz came along. He was funny if you were a rebellious young lad or shallow-minded bloke. Most people just thought he was an idiot.

Khan is/was without doubt far superior than Naz.

Those that say differently are boxing's flat earthers

Actually, Hamed is a great example of that important but often overlooked attribute: the ability to keep on learning.

You'd really struggle to find a fighter blessed by nature with more: strong, explosive, excellent reflexes, good coordination, terrific chin and uncannily good punch selection. (I bet his stamina would have been great too if he'd put the work in.)

But you'd also struggle to think of anyone at his level who added so little to his game from his very early days as a pro. Tyson maybe.

dookus wrote: ↑10 Aug 2020, 16:01 Actually, Hamed is a great example of that important but often overlooked attribute: the ability to keep on learning.

You'd really struggle to find a fighter blessed by nature with more: strong, explosive, excellent reflexes, good coordination, terrific chin and uncannily good punch selection. (I bet his stamina would have been great too if he'd put the work in.)

But you'd also struggle to think of anyone at his level who added so little to his game from his very early days as a pro. Tyson maybe.

Very good point Dookus. Tyson and Hamed both suffered from surrounding themselves with yes men once the money started coming in and they both stagnated as a result

knockout wrote: ↑10 Aug 2020, 16:38

dookus wrote: ↑10 Aug 2020, 16:01 Actually, Hamed is a great example of that important but often overlooked attribute: the ability to keep on learning.

You'd really struggle to find a fighter blessed by nature with more: strong, explosive, excellent reflexes, good coordination, terrific chin and uncannily good punch selection. (I bet his stamina would have been great too if he'd put the work in.)

But you'd also struggle to think of anyone at his level who added so little to his game from his very early days as a pro. Tyson maybe.

Very good point Dookus. Tyson and Hamed both suffered from surrounding themselves with yes men once the money started coming in and they both stagnated as a result

yep, agree wholeheartedly with both of you. Look at Barrera by constrast, where the Junior Jones lost made him evolve his entire game and become a better fighter as a result.

knockout wrote: ↑10 Aug 2020, 16:38

dookus wrote: ↑10 Aug 2020, 16:01 Actually, Hamed is a great example of that important but often overlooked attribute: the ability to keep on learning.

You'd really struggle to find a fighter blessed by nature with more: strong, explosive, excellent reflexes, good coordination, terrific chin and uncannily good punch selection. (I bet his stamina would have been great too if he'd put the work in.)

But you'd also struggle to think of anyone at his level who added so little to his game from his very early days as a pro. Tyson maybe.

Very good point Dookus. Tyson and Hamed both suffered from surrounding themselves with yes men once the money started coming in and they both stagnated as a result

Yeah, enjoying learning and enjoying the company of yes men do seem incompatible!

He was taught a lot by Suarez and Steward but didn't have the ability to implement it.

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Outrageously talented, made boxing look easy. When I look back at that time, I can’t help remembering his posse. The brat pack I think they called themselves. Always prancing around at shows, devoid of style or class. In fairness, though, that’s how it looked on TV. Maybe they were actually alright.

Another thing about Naz, he sorted jobs out for his family. I think that’s cool. Apparently he also insisted Nelson box on his shows when Johnny was out in the cold. That’s also cool. Loyalty.
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this - spot on

coghaugen11 wrote: ↑10 Aug 2020, 17:43 He was taught a lot by Suarez and Steward but didn't have the ability to implement it.

He was what he was at that point. Any attempt to become more conventional was just going to make him worse. He was extremely athletic and possessed natural power but in my view it was unfortunate that he took on the Ingle style. Coming into fights against the really top fighters like Barrera with no jab to speak of. You simply can't compete at the highest level and have any longevity without a good jab. Naz didn't have much of a jab at all. If he had been trained from an early age in somewhere like the philly gyms, he'd have probably become a complete fighter. He had the kind of reflexes that you see in Ali or Pernell Whitaker.

He really didn't have amazing reflexes, he had great flexibility at the waist to sway his torso about all over the place. He was hit often once an opponent got used to the unconvention. Overhand shots were easy to land because he pulled straight back, ie Kelley.

coghaugen11 wrote: ↑06 Aug 2020, 15:31

Loftgroov wrote: ↑06 Aug 2020, 15:26 One of the most exciting fighters ever. I absolutely loved watching him fight. Pure entertainment.

Last 10 years the fighters fiddle their way through fights, tickling eachother today by comparison to Benn, Toney, Tyson, McClellan, Barkley, Hearns, Bowe, Holyfield, and Watson and Eubank.

Eubanks was a master at fiddling his way thru fights.