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TheLeprechaun wrote: ↑27 Dec 2020, 15:37 McClellan had so much potential but fell in love with his power. Didn't work on his defense. He took punches from Julian Jackson that would have knocked out a horse.

Yep. The way he set his right hands up was beautiful.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑27 Dec 2020, 09:16

Old bones Ian wrote: ↑27 Dec 2020, 08:37 As always thanks Bennie for the great info, as for Breland he still had a good pro career just not the great one everybody was predicting.
The fight against Davis was just insane.

Ironically, everyone thinks Honeyghan had a brilliant career and Breland destroyed him.

Difference between Honeyghan is the title win, Breland won a vacant title twice against fringe world class guys, and Honeyghan beat one of the p4p guys at the time.

Old bones Ian wrote: ↑27 Dec 2020, 16:23

mickey1975 wrote: ↑27 Dec 2020, 09:16

Old bones Ian wrote: ↑27 Dec 2020, 08:37 As always thanks Bennie for the great info, as for Breland he still had a good pro career just not the great one everybody was predicting.
The fight against Davis was just insane.

Ironically, everyone thinks Honeyghan had a brilliant career and Breland destroyed him.

Difference between Honeyghan is the title win, Breland won a vacant title twice against fringe world class guys, and Honeyghan beat one of the p4p guys at the time.

Honeygan did a job on him. Excellent performance, he's come over against the odds and fought like he was the favourite to win the fight.

I have to say with no disrespect to Lloyd but he has the worst dress sense in British boxing.

With better matching, Snr could have been up there with true British greats.

He certainly had the ability, Snr, but he seemed very bitter towards boxing promoters and even society in general somewhat, so he just wanted money and to live some fantasy life. A case of one-upmanship over those he was bitter towards. The Watson incident/outcome didn’t help, either.

coghaugen11 wrote: ↑27 Dec 2020, 19:05 He certainly had the ability, Snr, but he seemed very bitter towards boxing promoters and even society in general somewhat, so he just wanted money and to live some fantasy life. A case of one-upmanship over those he was bitter towards. The Watson incident/outcome didn’t help, either.

I’m not surprised he’s bitter at society. He was locked up for crime at a young age.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑28 Dec 2020, 03:24

coghaugen11 wrote: ↑27 Dec 2020, 19:05 He certainly had the ability, Snr, but he seemed very bitter towards boxing promoters and even society in general somewhat, so he just wanted money and to live some fantasy life. A case of one-upmanship over those he was bitter towards. The Watson incident/outcome didn’t help, either.

I’m not surprised he’s bitter at society. He was locked up for crime at a young age.

He says he was literally locked up for protecting others from bullies. Bless him.

I think the promoters had stitched his older twin brothers up many times.

coghaugen11 wrote: ↑27 Dec 2020, 11:48

Old bones Ian wrote: ↑27 Dec 2020, 04:41

coghaugen11 wrote: ↑26 Dec 2020, 23:00

110-1, 82 senior world amateur champion (beating the Russian and Cuban), 84 Olympic gold and something like 80 KOs.

Never really translated to the pro's though, not sure why.

Manny Steward said in 84 that Breland and Errol Christie were the two most talented fighters he’d ever seen.

Christie another who couldn’t cut it without a head guard and pillows.

Christie could cut it. He was the new Randolph Turpin (both Warwickshire boys) when he won the ABA light-middleweight title at Wembley in 1981 in a thrilling contest with Swindon's Cameron "Let's Go" Lithgow, who was vastly experienced and boxed out of his skin but it still wasn't enough as 18-year-old Christie romped to the points in a quite brilliant display. He was clearly destined for greatness and threw one of the best punches I've ever seen against Ireland's Tommy Corr in an international contest in early 1982, screened on Sportsnight. Southpaw Corr threw a right jab in the opening moments, Errol slipped outside it and brought up a left uppercut to the body. Corr's 'grunt' as it landed could be heard in just about every front room in the UK but he shrugged it off and went the full three rounds to lose unanimously. Corr was a good fighter.
Errol was set to be a superstar when he won gold in the European Juniors in the summer of 1982, now up at middleweight. Microchip millionaire Burt McCarthy offered him a fortune to hand in the vest and Christie routinely destroyed his early paid opposition in often chilling fashion. Errol loved the knockouts but there were some decent learning fights in there too, including a couple of wins in the States. Even after Belgian light-heavyweight Jose Seys bowled him over in a matter of seconds in a stupid match in 1984, there was no need to panic. A quick defeat like that wasn't going to harm him. Sadly, the highly strung McCarthy did panic.
All of a sudden, Christie's opposition dropped down to a hapless level. Errol won his next seven fights in just 11 rounds, all against imports. Four of them went out in the first round. Across the promotional divide, Mark Kaylor took on Tony Sibson in a 12-rounder at Wembley for British, Commonwealth and European middleweight titles. The West Hammer was expected to win but Sibbo got his pole of a left jab working and proved there was still life in the Leicester dog with a unanimous but hard-earned decision. Kaylor came back with a couple of a fights, including a bloody 10-rounder against rugged American Dwight "Tiger" Walker at York Hall in June 1985. Kaylor was badly cut and covered in his own blood until manager Terry Lawless had seen enough. With Kaylor sat on his stool between rounds, Lawless gestured to referee Harry Gibbs that he was pulling Mark out. As he did so, the bell rang, Kaylor jumped up, ran past his manager and carried on getting stuck into Walker. That was Kaylor for you, and he won the decision.
The contrast in build-up between Christie and Kaylor was brutally stark prior to their showdown at Wembley on November 5, 1985. Let's not forget, either, Kaylor had already come through a big domestic showdown with Roy Gumbs at a packed Ally Pally in September 1983, climbing up from a heavy fifth-round knockdown to finish Gumbs moments later with a relentless, almost superhuman attack. The inevitable happened again. Christie proved typically dangerous early on but he just wasn't prepared for a man to survive his early onslaughts and fire back, and that's exactly what Kaylor did until a horribly spent Christie, crawling on his hands and knees, was counted out in the eighth round of an unforgettable affair. That finished Christie as a world class prospect because it eroded his punch resistance. He could still beat a feather-dusting light-middleweight like Sean Mannion but became a sitting duck for almost everyone with a bit of clout, including Michael Watson in a shameful match on the Eubank-Benn undercard at the NEC in 1990.
McCarthy, by that stage, was probably ruining another great talent.

Bennie, I wouldn't mind hearing a bit of a resume on Burt McCarthy, I would be interested in your opinions.

McCarthy had Nigel Benn too. Benn turned over with him.

Keith Miles (who claims to of ‘discovered’ Chris Eubank) put on Christie-James Cook at York Hall and got less than 100 through the door. Eubank-Franky Moro was chief support and is possibly the worst fight you’ll ever see (Moro didn’t hold his feet for a second, but then he never did); Eubank punches him out the ring with a right hand at end of one of the rounds though and Moro’s saved by the bell or something and given time to recover.

Miles vanished after that. And Eubank, on a weekly allowance from Miles before that, was forced to hide in the toilets on the train to Sheffield to embarrass himself against Herol Graham at Wincobank for three weeks for £300 a week, surviving off no food for the first week and a slice of toast a day for the next two (due to Karron expecting Junior and them needing money).

Dean Powell witnessed Eubank (while on his weekly wage from Keith Miles to further his skills/experience) sparring Christie in summer 88 at the Henry Cooper gym and said, ‘Eubank was unbelievable. They went 10 rounds and it was as good as any world title fight I’ve ever seen.’

I believe it was Chris who urged Barry Hearn to sign Christie and Johnny Nelson (both awful tips).

coghaugen11 wrote: ↑28 Dec 2020, 16:00 Keith Miles (who claims to of ‘discovered’ Chris Eubank) put on Christie-James Cook at York Hall and got less than 100 through the door. Eubank-Franky Moro was chief support and is possibly the worst fight you’ll ever see (Moro didn’t hold his feet for a second, but then he never did); Eubank punches him out the ring with a right hand at end of one of the rounds though and Moro’s saved by the bell or something and given time to recover.

Miles vanished after that. And Eubank, on a weekly allowance from Miles before that, was forced to hide in the toilets on the train to Sheffield to embarrass himself against Herol Graham at Wincobank for three weeks for £300 a week, surviving off no food for the first week and a slice of toast a day for the next two (due to Karron expecting Junior and them needing money).

So his wife expected him to get by on a slice of toast a day? And The Ingles?
Where the f uck do you get this sh!t from!!!!!

mickey1975 wrote: ↑28 Dec 2020, 16:35

coghaugen11 wrote: ↑28 Dec 2020, 16:00 Keith Miles (who claims to of ‘discovered’ Chris Eubank) put on Christie-James Cook at York Hall and got less than 100 through the door. Eubank-Franky Moro was chief support and is possibly the worst fight you’ll ever see (Moro didn’t hold his feet for a second, but then he never did); Eubank punches him out the ring with a right hand at end of one of the rounds though and Moro’s saved by the bell or something and given time to recover.

Miles vanished after that. And Eubank, on a weekly allowance from Miles before that, was forced to hide in the toilets on the train to Sheffield to embarrass himself against Herol Graham at Wincobank for three weeks for £300 a week, surviving off no food for the first week and a slice of toast a day for the next two (due to Karron expecting Junior and them needing money).

So his wife expected him to get by on a slice of toast a day? And The Ingles?
Where the f uck do you get this sh!t from!!!!!

Sure he chose to. He had no income, no promoter, no job.

Though he did meet Barry Hearn at the snooker in Sheff and struck a deal right off the bat. A huge slice of luck.

He was determined to be a world champion professional boxer!

coghaugen11 wrote: ↑28 Dec 2020, 16:50 Though he did meet Barry Hearn at the snooker in Sheff and struck a deal right off the bat. A huge slice of luck.

How did he afford to get a ticket for the snooker when he’d only allowed himself 40p for a loaf bread in three weeks?

I’m actually starting to think Eubank is behind this account but Cog has better grammar so is just writing for him.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑28 Dec 2020, 17:08

coghaugen11 wrote: ↑28 Dec 2020, 16:50 Though he did meet Barry Hearn at the snooker in Sheff and struck a deal right off the bat. A huge slice of luck.

How did he afford to get a ticket for the snooker when he’d only allowed himself 40p for a loaf bread in three weeks?

Maybe Barry got him in. Eubank knocked his room door in the Grosvenor House, Sheff

mickey1975 wrote: ↑28 Dec 2020, 17:09 I’m actually starting to think Eubank is behind this account but Cog has better grammar so is just writing for him.

coghaugen11 wrote: ↑28 Dec 2020, 17:15

mickey1975 wrote: ↑28 Dec 2020, 17:08

coghaugen11 wrote: ↑28 Dec 2020, 16:50 Though he did meet Barry Hearn at the snooker in Sheff and struck a deal right off the bat. A huge slice of luck.

How did he afford to get a ticket for the snooker when he’d only allowed himself 40p for a loaf bread in three weeks?

Maybe Barry got him in. Eubank knocked his room door in the Grosvenor House, Sheff

So, after a week fasting, two weeks on a slice of toast a day and having his head punched in by Bomber Graham, he tracked down the CEO of the world snooker championships, got his door number and thought he’d call for him? How did he get to The Grosvennor? It’s a fair walk from Wincobank and he didn’t have the bus fair. Wasn’t Barry a tiny bit busy to be seeing unknowns knocking on his door. Where were security?

And you’ve just said he met him at snooker, not beforehand when he got a comp.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑28 Dec 2020, 17:23

coghaugen11 wrote: ↑28 Dec 2020, 17:15

mickey1975 wrote: ↑28 Dec 2020, 17:08
How did he afford to get a ticket for the snooker when he’d only allowed himself 40p for a loaf bread in three weeks?

Maybe Barry got him in. Eubank knocked his room door in the Grosvenor House, Sheff

So, after a week fasting, two weeks on a slice of toast a day and having his head punched in by Bomber Graham, he tracked down the CEO of the world snooker championships, got his door number and thought he’d call for him? How did he get to The Grosvennor? It’s a fair walk from Wincobank and he didn’t have the bus fair. Wasn’t Barry a tiny bit busy to be seeing unknowns knocking on his door. Where were security?

Ask him. Hearn knew of him. A guy in reception said there was a young boxer asking to see him and Bazza said send him up.

(Herol Graham couldn’t break an egg)