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- Coolest thing I've ever seen a fighter do in the ring when Linares made a show of a big sweeping motion to send "Whiteboy" Haney stumbling forward into the arms of his fat clown daddy at the end of the 10th.

The code to the Kid done been cracked now: all flapping gums and bubblegum power and no chin, no real game

Skilz say U boyz on pilz??? Kid very quick and slick in monkeying around and then quick in with his noggin, grabbing, and rabbit punching when not bawling to the ref or his daddy about something. Old one legged Gamboa already exposed him, so no surprise to see Linares crack him, boyz in da hood melting again, amen...

Bandog wrote: ↑30 May 2021, 06:37 Haney, for a young kid and his first big test did fine. He landed more punches on Linares than any previous opponent, including MGarcia and loma. It's funny people say Linares is shot, but Floyd wasn't when he fought Canelo or Pac at an older age.

Well...it's hard for MGarcia to have landed many shots on Linares given they never fought...and using Compubox's figures Haney landed 2 more shots than Lomachenko, having fought more than 2 more completed rounds (so connects per round was lower than Lomachenko who landed 213 in 10 rounds 2 minutes, with Haney landed 215 in 12 rounds). It also ignores the fact that Lomachneko, like Cano, Salgado, Thompson, and DeMarco all managed to stop him.

As for a fighter being shot. Fighters get shot at different ages. Fernando Vargas on the scrap heap at 30, Jung Koo Chang past his best at 28, whilst Bernard Hopkins still competing with the best in his 40's.

Seen some calling Linares a puncher, yet his last this is a guy who's only stoppages in the last 5 years have been against Abner Cotto and Carlos Morales. The last time he had back to back stoppages came against Ira Terry, Francisco Prieto, Kevin Mitchell and Ivan Cano. That was the same Cotto taken in a round by Omar Figueroa, and in 5 rounds by Fortuna, the same Ira Terry who has 11 stoppage losses, the same Kevin Mitchell who was stopped by Ricky fornicating Burns. ETC ETC.

After sleeping on it...what an excellent night of fights.

Coe debut was meh, but I can see real potential in the kid. Good skills, gifts, and discipline for his first match, albeit against a pudgy MW.

Fuzile v Ward was a nice boxing scrap. Unfortunately, Ward got his left knee done when Fuzile leaped in. But, the takeaway is that Fuzile is VERY slick, skilled, smart, with decent, sneaky pop, excellent patience, and high level precision. I hope to see him again. He has very good potential. He is a fine boxer right now.

Ward was competitive but was headed toward a decisive loss on the cards or getting stopped with precision.

Quigly v Mosley Jr. was a display of two boxers desperate to stay relevant. Quigly was deserving of the very close decision but I had it a draw and the judges could have edged it to Mosley Jr.

Neither fighter looked impressive, but Quigly has improved his stamina markedly from earlier fights, which got him the win.

Haney v Linares had the look of a shutout, and it would have been just that if Haney had followed through on what he claimed he would do; box smart, not look for the KO, but take it if the opportunity presented itself. He was in TOTAL control of Linares, pitching a near, if not complete shutout, when he decided to go for the stoppage mid fight and punched himself out giving Linares the opening he needed to clip him with the short right hand. It should not have happened. It was purely ego that gave Linares his opening. But now, every future opponent knows that Haney’s chin is not great, as well as his pop, AND his stamina.

Haney is NOT ready for the top shelf, and he just made getting there MUCH tougher on himself. I think that he needs to get his father out of his corner, and get a trainer that can help him reach his potential, quickly now, because he won’t be able to make 135 much longer, and fighters like Russell on the Showtime card are ready to feast on daddy’s boyz.

In conclusion; the most impressive boxer on the DAZN card was Fuzile.

ironbeard wrote: ↑30 May 2021, 09:54 In conclusion; the most impressive boxer on the DAZN card was Fuzile.

Haney claims he wasn't hurt.

oogiebe wrote: ↑30 May 2021, 09:55

ironbeard wrote: ↑30 May 2021, 09:54 In conclusion; the most impressive boxer on the DAZN card was Fuzile.

Haney claims he wasn't hurt.

He can’t remember the last two rounds.

ironbeard wrote: ↑30 May 2021, 09:59

oogiebe wrote: ↑30 May 2021, 09:55

ironbeard wrote: ↑30 May 2021, 09:54 In conclusion; the most impressive boxer on the DAZN card was Fuzile.

Haney claims he wasn't hurt.

He can’t remember the last two rounds.

LOL! Probably right. He's clearly vulnerable.

Ref lost control of the fight in the 11th and 12th. Should’ve warned Haney for the excessive holding. Basically allowed Haney to hug his way through the last two rounds. Shame. Linares had him ready to go.

Haney landed cleanly throughout the fight. He showed great speed and talent. He’s a very fine boxer. Not trying to take anything away from him, but I’m even more convinced that he doesn’t have much in the way of punching power. Linares has rocked some of the best, so you can’t call him chinny.

bobcatbox wrote: ↑30 May 2021, 10:55 Ref lost control of the fight in the 11th and 12th. Should’ve warned Haney for the excessive holding. Basically allowed Haney to hug his way through the last two rounds. Shame. Linares had him ready to go.

Haney landed cleanly throughout the fight. He showed great speed and talent. He’s a very fine boxer. Not trying to take anything away from him, but I’m even more convinced that he doesn’t have much in the way of punching power. Linares has rocked some of the best, so you can’t call him chinny.

True. Haney’s problem is that he demonstrated that he could not seriously rock the notoriously chinny Linares even with a focused, concerted effort and many flush shots.

bobcatbox wrote: ↑30 May 2021, 10:55 Haney landed cleanly throughout the fight. He showed great speed and talent. He’s a very fine boxer. Not trying to take anything away from him, but I’m even more convinced that he doesn’t have much in the way of punching power.

The most clear thing about the email chump, that he has enough big lips for Mike Tyson to love him.

Haney best stay away from Ryan Garcia-that's a brutal knockout loss for Haney if he takes that fight.

goose 5 wrote: ↑30 May 2021, 12:06 Haney best stay away from Ryan Garcia-that's a brutal knockout loss for Haney if he takes that fight.

Maybe, maybe not.

Haney made a tactical mistake, selling out going for the KO, the opposite of what he claimed he would do coming into the fight. If he had stuck to plan, Linares would not have found that late 10 short right hand.

I see both Garcia and Haney as flawed psychologically. Neither has taken that step to top shelf. I hope they make this fight. I see it 50/50.

ironbeard wrote: ↑30 May 2021, 15:40

goose 5 wrote: ↑30 May 2021, 12:06 Haney best stay away from Ryan Garcia-that's a brutal knockout loss for Haney if he takes that fight.

Maybe, maybe not.

Haney made a tactical mistake, selling out going for the KO, the opposite of what he claimed he would do coming into the fight. If he had stuck to plan, Linares would not have found that late 10 short right hand.

I see both Garcia and Haney as flawed psychologically. Neither has taken that step to top shelf. I hope they make this fight. I see it 50/50.

Haney is definitely the faster fighter, and Garcia is definitely the bigger puncher. Garcia’s defense is improving under the tutelage of Reynosa. If he can keep up with Haney he can beat him.

ironbeard wrote: ↑30 May 2021, 09:36

Haney v Linares had the look of a shutout, and it would have been just that if Haney had followed through on what he claimed he would do; box smart, not look for the KO, but take it if the opportunity presented itself. He was in TOTAL control of Linares, pitching a near, if not complete shutout, when he decided to go for the stoppage mid fight and punched himself out giving Linares the opening he needed to clip him with the short right hand. It should not have happened. It was purely ego that gave Linares his opening. But now, every future opponent knows that Haney’s chin is not great, as well as his pop, AND his stamina.

Haney is NOT ready for the top shelf, and he just made getting there MUCH tougher on himself. I think that he needs to get his father out of his corner, and get a trainer that can help him reach his potential, quickly now, because he won’t be able to make 135 much longer, and fighters like Russell on the Showtime card are ready to feast on daddy’s boyz.

I agree with the first paragraph not with the 2nd. I think because Haney was a heavy favourite hear and gets no respect as champ halfway through he felt comfortable and boxed a game plan that dosent suit him at all to try get a ko and gain some respect. But I think once he has a really top shelf opponent he won’t need to go for the ko, a win will be enough to get respect. If he boxes how he boxed in the first 6 rounds for an entire fight, he is ok with a chance vs anyone. It’s always extra hard without power, but I still think he is a fair chance vs teo.

I Think Teos profile has gone to high after that loma win. I rate the fornicate out of loma so I should rate the win but really it’s like loma gave away the first half of the fight. Once loma actualy started punching loma won most of the rounds....

Either way I think it’s a very close fight if Haney can stick to the game plan and get fair judging.

(I though the judges were harsh on Haney this fight, I only had him losing 11th and 12th can’t make my mind up on the tenth so I’ll call it even)

gregregegg wrote: ↑30 May 2021, 20:59

ironbeard wrote: ↑30 May 2021, 09:36

Haney v Linares had the look of a shutout, and it would have been just that if Haney had followed through on what he claimed he would do; box smart, not look for the KO, but take it if the opportunity presented itself. He was in TOTAL control of Linares, pitching a near, if not complete shutout, when he decided to go for the stoppage mid fight and punched himself out giving Linares the opening he needed to clip him with the short right hand. It should not have happened. It was purely ego that gave Linares his opening. But now, every future opponent knows that Haney’s chin is not great, as well as his pop, AND his stamina.

Haney is NOT ready for the top shelf, and he just made getting there MUCH tougher on himself. I think that he needs to get his father out of his corner, and get a trainer that can help him reach his potential, quickly now, because he won’t be able to make 135 much longer, and fighters like Russell on the Showtime card are ready to feast on daddy’s boyz.

I agree with the first paragraph not with the 2nd. I think because Haney was a heavy favourite hear and gets no respect as champ halfway through he felt comfortable and boxed a game plan that dosent suit him at all to try get a ko and gain some respect. But I think once he has a really top shelf opponent he won’t need to go for the ko, a win will be enough to get respect. If he boxes how he boxed in the first 6 rounds for an entire fight, he is ok with a chance vs anyone. It’s always extra hard without power, but I still think he is a fair chance vs teo.

I Think Teos profile has gone to high after that loma win. I rate the fornicate out of loma so I should rate the win but really it’s like loma gave away the first half of the fight. Once loma actualy started punching loma won most of the rounds....

Either way I think it’s a very close fight if Haney can stick to the game plan and get fair judging.

(I though the judges were harsh on Haney this fight, I only had him losing 11th and 12th can’t make my mind up on the tenth so I’ll call it even)

Fair enough.

I agree that Teo may be getting too hyped for the Lomassiah victory.

I also agree that Haney has high end gifts and skills.

His problem now is that he gave up a measure of his advantages due to his tactical error last night. He cannot get that advantage back. He must now compensate for giving future opponents more tactical intelligence than was necessary, simultaneously building their confidence entering the ring v him.

ironbeard wrote: ↑30 May 2021, 21:10

gregregegg wrote: ↑30 May 2021, 20:59

ironbeard wrote: ↑30 May 2021, 09:36

Haney v Linares had the look of a shutout, and it would have been just that if Haney had followed through on what he claimed he would do; box smart, not look for the KO, but take it if the opportunity presented itself. He was in TOTAL control of Linares, pitching a near, if not complete shutout, when he decided to go for the stoppage mid fight and punched himself out giving Linares the opening he needed to clip him with the short right hand. It should not have happened. It was purely ego that gave Linares his opening. But now, every future opponent knows that Haney’s chin is not great, as well as his pop, AND his stamina.

Haney is NOT ready for the top shelf, and he just made getting there MUCH tougher on himself. I think that he needs to get his father out of his corner, and get a trainer that can help him reach his potential, quickly now, because he won’t be able to make 135 much longer, and fighters like Russell on the Showtime card are ready to feast on daddy’s boyz.

I agree with the first paragraph not with the 2nd. I think because Haney was a heavy favourite hear and gets no respect as champ halfway through he felt comfortable and boxed a game plan that dosent suit him at all to try get a ko and gain some respect. But I think once he has a really top shelf opponent he won’t need to go for the ko, a win will be enough to get respect. If he boxes how he boxed in the first 6 rounds for an entire fight, he is ok with a chance vs anyone. It’s always extra hard without power, but I still think he is a fair chance vs teo.

I Think Teos profile has gone to high after that loma win. I rate the fornicate out of loma so I should rate the win but really it’s like loma gave away the first half of the fight. Once loma actualy started punching loma won most of the rounds....

Either way I think it’s a very close fight if Haney can stick to the game plan and get fair judging.

(I though the judges were harsh on Haney this fight, I only had him losing 11th and 12th can’t make my mind up on the tenth so I’ll call it even)

Fair enough.

I agree that Teo may be getting too hyped for the Lomassiah victory.

I also agree that Haney has high end gifts and skills.

His problem now is that he gave up a measure of his advantages due to his tactical error last night. He cannot get that advantage back. He must now compensate for giving future opponents more tactical intelligence than was necessary, simultaneously building their confidence entering the ring v him.

Agree it gives a bit of info away, you basicaly know if you can get inside and force trades your doing well.. Bonus though, hopefuly opponents will be keen to fight him. Showing that weakness while bad might actualy help his career move fowards.

gregregegg wrote: ↑30 May 2021, 21:21

ironbeard wrote: ↑30 May 2021, 21:10

gregregegg wrote: ↑30 May 2021, 20:59

I agree with the first paragraph not with the 2nd. I think because Haney was a heavy favourite hear and gets no respect as champ halfway through he felt comfortable and boxed a game plan that dosent suit him at all to try get a ko and gain some respect. But I think once he has a really top shelf opponent he won’t need to go for the ko, a win will be enough to get respect. If he boxes how he boxed in the first 6 rounds for an entire fight, he is ok with a chance vs anyone. It’s always extra hard without power, but I still think he is a fair chance vs teo.

I Think Teos profile has gone to high after that loma win. I rate the fornicate out of loma so I should rate the win but really it’s like loma gave away the first half of the fight. Once loma actualy started punching loma won most of the rounds....

Either way I think it’s a very close fight if Haney can stick to the game plan and get fair judging.

(I though the judges were harsh on Haney this fight, I only had him losing 11th and 12th can’t make my mind up on the tenth so I’ll call it even)

Fair enough.

I agree that Teo may be getting too hyped for the Lomassiah victory.

I also agree that Haney has high end gifts and skills.

His problem now is that he gave up a measure of his advantages due to his tactical error last night. He cannot get that advantage back. He must now compensate for giving future opponents more tactical intelligence than was necessary, simultaneously building their confidence entering the ring v him.

Agree it gives a bit of info away, you basicaly know if you can get inside and force trades your doing well.. Bonus though, hopefuly opponents will be keen to fight him. Showing that weakness while bad might actualy help his career move fowards.

Point taken. We will see.

so just to clarify, the gameplan vs teo is to be negative and not throw many punches? which is what you were yelling at loma for??

one other thing i give teo credit for, not being lulled into a low output fight. instead he stayed busy and took control his own way. pillow hands dev gonna have a hard time keeping it going over 12 vs a skilled and hard puncher who works like teo. and if he gets hurt, we've seen him struggle to recover

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑30 May 2021, 07:38

conveniently skips the 10th round

It is interesting how Haney continues to come out with more to prove after victories than he went in with..

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑30 May 2021, 21:28 so just to clarify, the gameplan vs teo is to be negative and not throw many punches? which is what you were yelling at loma for??

one other thing i give teo credit for, not being lulled into a low output fight. instead he stayed busy and took control his own way. pillow hands dev gonna have a hard time keeping it going over 12 vs a skilled and hard puncher who works like teo. and if he gets hurt, we've seen him struggle to recover

Not negative and low volume, just at his best range. He was landing 20+ shots a round first 5 rounds without trying to fight mid/close range. He was absolutely dominating when at his range, then he went hunting a ko and started exchanging and ultimently got clipped. If he does that vs teo it’s bad.

As I said over 12 with fair judging I think it’s a 50-50, which means I definatly favour teo as he has two ways to win, points or stoppage but I think Haney is well in that fight if he fights at range and doesn’t let his ego drag him into a fire fight. (Mabey teo will be too good and be able to get into range easy in whitch case he wins, but I don’t know if he has proven that to me.

bobcatbox wrote: ↑30 May 2021, 15:54

ironbeard wrote: ↑30 May 2021, 15:40

goose 5 wrote: ↑30 May 2021, 12:06 Haney best stay away from Ryan Garcia-that's a brutal knockout loss for Haney if he takes that fight.

Maybe, maybe not.

Haney made a tactical mistake, selling out going for the KO, the opposite of what he claimed he would do coming into the fight. If he had stuck to plan, Linares would not have found that late 10 short right hand.

I see both Garcia and Haney as flawed psychologically. Neither has taken that step to top shelf. I hope they make this fight. I see it 50/50.

Haney is definitely the faster fighter, and Garcia is definitely the bigger puncher. Garcia’s defense is improving under the tutelage of Reynosa. If he can keep up with Haney he can beat him.

Right now, Garcia can't even keep up with his own mental health.

it was pretty funny to see ryan 'mental health leave' garcia talking sh!t the other day about how he' d sleep haney

I think he’d beat Garcia. Campbell dropped Garcia pretty hard and I think he’s a softer puncher than Linares.

Garcia does have some serious power in his punches but if Haney fights (and is able to fight) like he did in the first half of the Linares fight for 12 rounds then I think he wins a shut out. Would be a good exciting fight though.

Haney will have learnt more from the Linares fight than any other fight of his before. He knows exactly what he needs to work on and he found a way to win after getting hurt. A lot of young, undefeated fighters haven’t shown they can cope with adversity whilst Haney did and he’ll be a better fighter for it.

Mayweather would have learnt loads from his fights with Castillo (when Castillo didn’t have the reputation he had later in his career and Floyd was a big big favourite from memory) and it probably showed him that he wasn’t going to win easily every fight.

Haney’s still got tonnes of potential, he’s only 22, knows now that he can cope with adversity and win and he knows what he needs to do to improve. He’s not the finished article that he thought he was but that’s ok - also doesn’t mean he’s an average fighter. Keep him away from Teo for a while but I’d favour him against the other lightweights. The winner of the interim fight (Fortuna vs Jojo Diaz) would be a decent fight for him too.