oogiebe wrote: ↑01 Nov 2021, 21:39 LMFAO! No one thought Douglas was a good big HW. Stop making shit up IB. Yeah, we all knew MT struggled with bigger guys (struggled comparatively). I'm sure a lot of folks tried (and some did) get a bet down on Douglas purely because of the odds. Had it been a fighter like Bowe or Lewis, it wouldn't have been a huge surprise. But it was Douglas. Still the greatest upset in HW history.
I already stated in this thread that the fact that Tyson was upset by such an undisciplined, unaccomplished, mediocre boxer is clear evidence that “Iron Mike” was over ripe for an upset.
You have sunk to pitying level at this point, bruh.
What does that even mean?
Your first sentence is a Captain Obvious moment. After the fact everyone knew.
You have managed to get nearly everything wrong that you have posted in this exchange, not for a lack of the information, rather due to making assertions based on either your failure to consume the information or your incapacity to digest the information. Or, do you simply not value accuracy?
Re: If Plant upsets Canelo, it will be a big shock for you ? Plant looks in very good shape and he's coming to win
ironbeard wrote: ↑01 Nov 2021, 21:50
I already stated in this thread that the fact that Tyson was upset by such an undisciplined, unaccomplished, mediocre boxer is clear evidence that “Iron Mike” was over ripe for an upset.
You have sunk to pitying level at this point, bruh.
What does that even mean?
Your first sentence is a Captain Obvious moment. After the fact everyone knew.
You have managed to get nearly everything wrong that you have posted in this exchange, not for a lack of the information, rather due to making assertions based on either your failure to consume the information or you incapacity to digest the information. Or, do you simply not value accuracy?
Very EO'esque. Everyone on earth was shocked at Tyson's loss to Douglas. Everyone but you. You are a god.
Re: If Plant upsets Canelo, it will be a big shock for you ? Plant looks in very good shape and he's coming to win
oogiebe wrote: ↑01 Nov 2021, 21:53
What does that even mean?
Your first sentence is a Captain Obvious moment. After the fact everyone knew.
You have managed to get nearly everything wrong that you have posted in this exchange, not for a lack of the information, rather due to making assertions based on either your failure to consume the information or you incapacity to digest the information. Or, do you simply not value accuracy?
Very EO'esque. Everyone on earth was shocked at Tyson's loss to Douglas. Everyone but you. You are a god.
You finally managed to get something…oh, wait…you botched it all again.
I wasn’t the only one who knew Tyson was ripe for upset.
I repeat, again, I did not call the fight. I made an educated bet.
I was not the only person who was not shocked by the upset.
There were some people who DID call it.
I am not “a god” if I was the only one on Earth not shocked by Buster’s upset of Tyson.
It is concerning that you cannot wrap your pea around the fact that not everyone on Earth was shocked by Tyson losing to Douglas.
Re: If Plant upsets Canelo, it will be a big shock for you ? Plant looks in very good shape and he's coming to win
Posted: 02 Nov 2021, 02:10
by KiwiRider
I haven't been following this thread because it was infested with number user names.
Didn’t realise all this was going on.
We all cool bruhs?
Re: If Plant upsets Canelo, it will be a big shock for you ? Plant looks in very good shape and he's coming to win
Posted: 02 Nov 2021, 02:23
by ironbeard
KiwiRider wrote: ↑02 Nov 2021, 02:10
I haven't been following this thread because it was infested with number user names.
Didn’t realise all this was going on.
We all cool bruhs?
All is fine over here, Kiwi.
Re: If Plant upsets Canelo, it will be a big shock for you ? Plant looks in very good shape and he's coming to win
Posted: 02 Nov 2021, 06:24
by The Gratest
KiwiRider wrote: ↑02 Nov 2021, 02:10
I haven't been following this thread because it was infested with number user names.
Didn’t realise all this was going on.
We all cool bruhs?
Yeah, all except you, you great big numerophobic you!
In truth, the numbers guy was being a complete pain in the ass with the repeat post bumping. I kept thinking there was a new post, but no, just that twat doing a repeat post to bump.
Re: If Plant upsets Canelo, it will be a big shock for you ? Plant looks in very good shape and he's coming to win
ironbeard wrote: ↑01 Nov 2021, 22:20 You have managed to get nearly everything wrong that you have posted in this exchange, not for a lack of the information, rather due to making assertions based on either your failure to consume the information or you incapacity to digest the information. Or, do you simply not value accuracy?
Very EO'esque. Everyone on earth was shocked at Tyson's loss to Douglas. Everyone but you. You are a god.
You finally managed to get something…oh, wait…you botched it all again.
I wasn’t the only one who knew Tyson was ripe for upset.
I repeat, again, I did not call the fight. I made an educated bet.
I was not the only person who was not shocked by the upset.
There were some people who DID call it.
I am not “a god” if I was the only one on Earth not shocked by Buster’s upset of Tyson.
It is concerning that you cannot wrap your pea around the fact that not everyone on Earth was shocked by Tyson losing to Douglas.
Re: If Plant upsets Canelo, it will be a big shock for you ? Plant looks in very good shape and he's coming to win
oogiebe wrote: ↑01 Nov 2021, 21:09
Everyone came out as a monday morning quarterback. No one called this. I think the story about the old wise guy making that bet was how it went down. "no fighter deserves that much respect."
Yet another swing and a miss. I called that Tyson would be taken out by a good big HW WHEN he lost focus and failed to come into the ring in tip top shape, years prior to the Douglas fight.
I never said that I specifically called Douglas over Tyson. I said that I bet on Douglas to win due to the odds and the available intelligence.
Thanks for playing.
Yes, whilst watching him getting humbled by Douglas was shocking, in retrospect, it was clear Tyson was unravelling pretty fast, and his life was complete chaos, few thought Douglas would be the man to do it, but it was clear that Tyson wasn't at his best during the build up.
Funny, I watched it back a while ago, and Frank Bruno was involved in the commentary team, and during the ringwalk and when they were reading out the instructions, he said that Tyson looked wrong, and didn't even look like he'd warmed up before the fight.
Re: If Plant upsets Canelo, it will be a big shock for you ? Plant looks in very good shape and he's coming to win
I agree that Plant has an outside chance to outbox Canelo. I would be very surprised if he was able to stop him. It will be a significant accomplishment if he makes it to the cards.
Re: If Plant upsets Canelo, it will be a big shock for you ? Plant looks in very good shape and he's coming to win
I agree that Plant has an outside chance to outbox Canelo. I would be very surprised if he was able to stop him. It will be a significant accomplishment if he makes it to the cards.
This isn't my post. Someone is fornicating around.
Re: If Plant upsets Canelo, it will be a big shock for you ? Plant looks in very good shape and he's coming to win
I agree that Plant has an outside chance to outbox Canelo. I would be very surprised if he was able to stop him. It will be a significant accomplishment if he makes it to the cards.
This isn't my post. Someone is fornicating around.
Reported
Re: If Plant upsets Canelo, it will be a big shock for you ? Plant looks in very good shape and he's coming to win
ironbeard wrote: ↑02 Nov 2021, 15:39
Just another opinion.
I agree that Plant has an outside chance to outbox Canelo. I would be very surprised if he was able to stop him. It will be a significant accomplishment if he makes it to the cards.
This isn't my post. Someone is fornicating around.
Reported
Thanks. Not sure why anyone would do that.
Re: If Plant upsets Canelo, it will be a big shock for you ? Plant looks in very good shape and he's coming to win
I agree that Plant has an outside chance to outbox Canelo. I would be very surprised if he was able to stop him. It will be a significant accomplishment if he makes it to the cards.
It was one of the serial # bouys.
Re: If Plant upsets Canelo, it will be a big shock for you ? Plant looks in very good shape and he's coming to win
ironbeard wrote: ↑01 Nov 2021, 09:46Anyone who was alive and paying attention in 1989/90 knew Douglas was a VERY live dog going into the fight.
Tyson was the most over hyped HW champion in my lifetime.
Tyson was a 23½ year old undisputed world heavyweight champion engaging in his eleventh title bout and seeking his seventh consecutive KO victory when he fought James ‘Buster’ Douglas.
When Douglas entered the ring in the Tokyo Dome, he was a 42/1 underdog that had previously failed to defeat the likes of:
• Tony Tucker
• Jesse Ferguson
• Mike White
• Steffen Tangstad
• David Bey
Most of these guys were either beaten by Tyson himself or Mike’s previous victims.
Buster Douglas’ victory over Mike Tyson is widely-regarded as the biggest upset in boxing history.
Douglas’ victory over Tyson was the final notable win of his career, because he was subsequently destroyed by Evander Holyfield and Lou Savarese, as well as scoring several lacklustre victories over journeymen calibre opposition.
None of which took into account Tyson’s show of a marriage, dumping of the team that helped him succeed, lack of training focus and loss of the fundamentals that were the foundation of his ability to defeat larger/longer opponents, sudden inactivity, media and marketing obligations that he was not mature enough to manage.
Tyson was ripe for upset. The fact that the upset came at the hands of such an undisciplined, unaccomplished, mediocre boxer is all the evidence needed for my case.
Just because the vast majority of people did not take those things into account, driving the odds to ridiculousness, does not change the fact that Tyson was ripe to the point of rotten for an upset. People paying attention knew that and made a lot of money based on that risk/reward equation.
Tyson was always there for the taking if he was not in absolute peak condition and total focus. He was nowhere near either going into the Douglas fight. I was not the only one who was well aware of it. Many just refused to see the reality of Tyson’s situation, choosing to believe the hype that he was untouchable.
Resume dictation.
If I’m not mistaken, I believe that Mike was dropped in sparring by Tucker was it? I agree with you. Mike’s career decline can clearly be earmarked during camp for the Buster Douglas fight. Had Buster not gotten up off the canvas, Holyfield would have absolutely shattered him in the next fight.
Re: If Plant upsets Canelo, it will be a big shock for you ? Plant looks in very good shape and he's coming to win
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑01 Nov 2021, 11:03
Tyson was a 23½ year old undisputed world heavyweight champion engaging in his eleventh title bout and seeking his seventh consecutive KO victory when he fought James ‘Buster’ Douglas.
When Douglas entered the ring in the Tokyo Dome, he was a 42/1 underdog that had previously failed to defeat the likes of:
• Tony Tucker
• Jesse Ferguson
• Mike White
• Steffen Tangstad
• David Bey
Most of these guys were either beaten by Tyson himself or Mike’s previous victims.
Buster Douglas’ victory over Mike Tyson is widely-regarded as the biggest upset in boxing history.
Douglas’ victory over Tyson was the final notable win of his career, because he was subsequently destroyed by Evander Holyfield and Lou Savarese, as well as scoring several lacklustre victories over journeymen calibre opposition.
None of which took into account Tyson’s show of a marriage, dumping of the team that helped him succeed, lack of training focus and loss of the fundamentals that were the foundation of his ability to defeat larger/longer opponents, sudden inactivity, media and marketing obligations that he was not mature enough to manage.
Tyson was ripe for upset. The fact that the upset came at the hands of such an undisciplined, unaccomplished, mediocre boxer is all the evidence needed for my case.
Just because the vast majority of people did not take those things into account, driving the odds to ridiculousness, does not change the fact that Tyson was ripe to the point of rotten for an upset. People paying attention knew that and made a lot of money based on that risk/reward equation.
Tyson was always there for the taking if he was not in absolute peak condition and total focus. He was nowhere near either going into the Douglas fight. I was not the only one who was well aware of it. Many just refused to see the reality of Tyson’s situation, choosing to believe the hype that he was untouchable.
Resume dictation.
If I’m not mistaken, I believe that Mike was dropped in sparring by Tucker was it? I agree with you. Mike’s career decline can clearly be earmarked during camp for the Buster Douglas fight. Had Buster not gotten up off the canvas, Holyfield would have absolutely shattered him in the next fight.
It was Greg Page who dropped him.
Re: If Plant upsets Canelo, it will be a big shock for you ? Plant looks in very good shape and he's coming to win
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑01 Nov 2021, 11:03
Tyson was a 23½ year old undisputed world heavyweight champion engaging in his eleventh title bout and seeking his seventh consecutive KO victory when he fought James ‘Buster’ Douglas.
When Douglas entered the ring in the Tokyo Dome, he was a 42/1 underdog that had previously failed to defeat the likes of:
• Tony Tucker
• Jesse Ferguson
• Mike White
• Steffen Tangstad
• David Bey
Most of these guys were either beaten by Tyson himself or Mike’s previous victims.
Buster Douglas’ victory over Mike Tyson is widely-regarded as the biggest upset in boxing history.
Douglas’ victory over Tyson was the final notable win of his career, because he was subsequently destroyed by Evander Holyfield and Lou Savarese, as well as scoring several lacklustre victories over journeymen calibre opposition.
None of which took into account Tyson’s show of a marriage, dumping of the team that helped him succeed, lack of training focus and loss of the fundamentals that were the foundation of his ability to defeat larger/longer opponents, sudden inactivity, media and marketing obligations that he was not mature enough to manage.
Tyson was ripe for upset. The fact that the upset came at the hands of such an undisciplined, unaccomplished, mediocre boxer is all the evidence needed for my case.
Just because the vast majority of people did not take those things into account, driving the odds to ridiculousness, does not change the fact that Tyson was ripe to the point of rotten for an upset. People paying attention knew that and made a lot of money based on that risk/reward equation.
Tyson was always there for the taking if he was not in absolute peak condition and total focus. He was nowhere near either going into the Douglas fight. I was not the only one who was well aware of it. Many just refused to see the reality of Tyson’s situation, choosing to believe the hype that he was untouchable.
Resume dictation.
If I’m not mistaken, I believe that Mike was dropped in sparring by Tucker was it? I agree with you. Mike’s career decline can clearly be earmarked during camp for the Buster Douglas fight. Had Buster not gotten up off the canvas, Holyfield would have absolutely shattered him in the next fight.
(Givens + King + Punchout) - (Rooney + Cayton) = A loss to a bigger, longer, mediocre HW.
All of it was on TV and in tabloids for all to see.
Re: If Plant upsets Canelo, it will be a big shock for you ? Plant looks in very good shape and he's coming to win
ironbeard wrote: ↑01 Nov 2021, 11:20
None of which took into account Tyson’s show of a marriage, dumping of the team that helped him succeed, lack of training focus and loss of the fundamentals that were the foundation of his ability to defeat larger/longer opponents, sudden inactivity, media and marketing obligations that he was not mature enough to manage.
Tyson was ripe for upset. The fact that the upset came at the hands of such an undisciplined, unaccomplished, mediocre boxer is all the evidence needed for my case.
Just because the vast majority of people did not take those things into account, driving the odds to ridiculousness, does not change the fact that Tyson was ripe to the point of rotten for an upset. People paying attention knew that and made a lot of money based on that risk/reward equation.
Tyson was always there for the taking if he was not in absolute peak condition and total focus. He was nowhere near either going into the Douglas fight. I was not the only one who was well aware of it. Many just refused to see the reality of Tyson’s situation, choosing to believe the hype that he was untouchable.
Resume dictation.
If I’m not mistaken, I believe that Mike was dropped in sparring by Tucker was it? I agree with you. Mike’s career decline can clearly be earmarked during camp for the Buster Douglas fight. Had Buster not gotten up off the canvas, Holyfield would have absolutely shattered him in the next fight.
(Givens + King + Punchout) - (Rooney + Cayton) = A loss to a bigger, longer, mediocre HW.
All of it was on TV and in tabloids for all to see.
'I'm going to go out and kill myself,' Tyson reportedly said. 'I'm going to crash my car.'
Shortly afterwards, true to his word, he was KO'd by a tree.
Givens, her mother and the tree got there before Douglas.
Not to say Tyson's antics in Japan involving an unfeasible amount of women and alcohol didn't also contribute.
LMFAO! No one thought Douglas was a good big HW. Stop making shit up IB. Yeah, we all knew MT struggled with bigger guys (struggled comparatively). I'm sure a lot of folks tried (and some did) get a bet down on Douglas purely because of the odds. Had it been a fighter like Bowe or Lewis, it wouldn't have been a huge surprise. But it was Douglas. Still the greatest upset in HW history.
You finally managed to get something…oh, wait…you botched it all again.
show of a marriage, dumping of the team that helped him succeed, lack of training focus and loss of the fundamentals that were the foundation of his ability to defeat larger/longer opponents, sudden inactivity, media and marketing obligations that he was not mature enough to manage.