Imagine them fighting over Okolie, nobody knows who he is and he struggles to sell a ticket, he has absolutely no profile in the mainstream media
Re: Lawrence Okolie
Posted: 18 Nov 2022, 16:46
by coneye
Think Eddie should go down the Fwank route and take legal action against this Ben fella put him in his place straight away ,, Is Eddie slowly going to turn into Fwank
Would'nt be suprised he must be feeling quite shit on at the moment
Re: Lawrence Okolie
Posted: 18 Nov 2022, 17:30
by maverick23
coneye wrote: ↑18 Nov 2022, 16:46
Think Eddie should go down the Fwank route and take legal action against this Ben fella put him in his place straight away ,, Is Eddie slowly going to turn into Fwank
Would'nt be suprised he must be feeling quite shit on at the moment
He’s certainly becoming more cynical. Still a long way to go to be like Frank. He said that Boxxer had sent Lawrence a contract offer several months back which seemingly started the unrest with Okolie. I guess Lawrence incorrectly told them he was free. Matchroom sent Boxxer a legal letter setting it straight. Lawrence must now be saying he’s out of it again.
Frank used to have issues when fighters left as he said in a couple of cases they’d verbally agreed extensions. Not quite the same as this.
coneye wrote: ↑18 Nov 2022, 16:46
Think Eddie should go down the Fwank route and take legal action against this Ben fella put him in his place straight away ,, Is Eddie slowly going to turn into Fwank
Would'nt be suprised he must be feeling quite shit on at the moment
He’s certainly becoming more cynical. Still a long way to go to be like Frank. He said that Boxxer had sent Lawrence a contract offer several months back which seemingly started the unrest with Okolie. I guess Lawrence incorrectly told them he was free. Matchroom sent Boxxer a legal letter setting it straight. Lawrence must now be saying he’s out of it again.
Frank used to have issues when fighters left as he said in a couple of cases they’d verbally agreed extensions. Not quite the same as this.
There really is two side too every story ,, some boxers really get shafted , no doubt ,, but some promoters can put lots of money and time building a boxer up and then get told piss off just when the money is coming in , full of vultures is'nt it ,, and thats not just at that level trainers especielly non profile good trainers get shafted all the time , .
Re: Lawrence Okolie
Posted: 18 Nov 2022, 19:03
by quickeyg
Okolie wants to absolutely DESTROY Matchroom's stable judging by that IG post
coneye wrote: ↑18 Nov 2022, 16:46
Think Eddie should go down the Fwank route and take legal action against this Ben fella put him in his place straight away ,, Is Eddie slowly going to turn into Fwank
Would'nt be suprised he must be feeling quite shit on at the moment
He’s certainly becoming more cynical. Still a long way to go to be like Frank. He said that Boxxer had sent Lawrence a contract offer several months back which seemingly started the unrest with Okolie. I guess Lawrence incorrectly told them he was free. Matchroom sent Boxxer a legal letter setting it straight. Lawrence must now be saying he’s out of it again.
Frank used to have issues when fighters left as he said in a couple of cases they’d verbally agreed extensions. Not quite the same as this.
I love Frank's video thumbnails on YouTube, absolutely raging looking like the baddie from Total Recall lol
Re: Lawrence Okolie
Posted: 20 Nov 2022, 06:49
by Ruthless-RKO
Hearn states there was never any issues with OkolieD until he brought in new members to his inner-circle.
"Everything was positive until he started hanging around people who have no idea.' Hearn told IFL TV.
"The last thing we ever wanna do is go to court with a fighter, but I will never let someone take the p!ss out of the loyalty job we've delivered for them."
Re: Lawrence Okolie
Posted: 20 Nov 2022, 15:41
by cormack
Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑20 Nov 2022, 06:49
Hearn states there was never any issues with OkolieD until he brought in new members to his inner-circle.
"Everything was positive until he started hanging around people who have no idea.' Hearn told IFL TV.
"The last thing we ever wanna do is go to court with a fighter, but I will never let someone take the p!ss out of the loyalty job we've delivered for them."
Hearn also said that Okolie got very well paid for some relatively easy fights which is a bit of a strange thing to admit as the promoter.
Re: Lawrence Okolie
Posted: 22 Nov 2022, 12:23
by maverick23
It sounds like Lawrence wanted to save money and self-manage himself or have a mate from when he was younger do it.
Worked out well so far.
Re: Lawrence Okolie
Posted: 22 Nov 2022, 13:55
by Spud
I am extremely surprised at Okolie.
I met him something like 3 times and he was really kind & chatted to me and I went away thinking what a totally reasonable bloke he was.
But, since winning his world title he has not handled the pressure & limelight that comes with a with it.
It reminds me so much of David Haye. A lot of the time David was a really kind, and generous bloke but as soon as the cameras were turned off you found out what he was really like.
Re: Lawrence Okolie
Posted: 22 Nov 2022, 13:58
by margaret thatcher
well, i wouldnt say any of this is at odds with him being friendly to the average bloke, seems more like a money/control thing
Re: Lawrence Okolie
Posted: 22 Nov 2022, 14:08
by Spud
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑22 Nov 2022, 13:58
well, i wouldnt say any of this is at odds with him being friendly to the average bloke, seems more like a money/control thing
Sorry pal I disagree whilst it is a money thing it seems to have turned Okolie into being a total ****.
Re: Lawrence Okolie
Posted: 22 Nov 2022, 18:19
by Cyclops
Spud wrote: ↑22 Nov 2022, 13:55
I am extremely surprised at Okolie.
I met him something like 3 times and he was really kind & chatted to me and I went away thinking what a totally reasonable bloke he was.
But, since winning his world title he has not handled the pressure & limelight that comes with a with it.
It reminds me so much of David Haye. A lot of the time David was a really kind, and generous bloke but as soon as the cameras were turned off you found out what he was really like.
I know you get a bit of grief for telling behind the scenes stories but I enjoy the gossip, and also think Haye is a dickhead. Just out of curiosity, you said you managed to catch some of the sparring between David and Deontay Wilder, which is something I think most of us would've loved to have been a fly on the wall for. How was Hrgovic during that sparring? A lot of us who rated him put a lot of stock into stories of him sparring in that camp, him cutting David, and some footage of him sparring Wilder and giving him work.
Is Hrgovic the goods in your opinion? His head doesn't seem to be in the game at the moment but I can't help thinking it might be a case of 'careful what you wish for' when it comes to Hearn angling to get AJ-Hrgovic made for the vacant IBF. I wonder if Hrg suddenly gets serious and goes into that fight with his head screwed on properly AJ might get a bit more than he bargained for?
Re: Lawrence Okolie
Posted: 22 Nov 2022, 18:32
by margaret thatcher
hrg used to be a fairly quick and energetic fighter, put together nice combos. then he added like 30 pounds and is a plodding 1 or 2 shot clubber now. like he's a different fighter. unfortunate, because he does have talent
Re: Lawrence Okolie
Posted: 23 Nov 2022, 04:10
by maverick23
Shane McGuigan did an interview with ID boxing yesterday. He said that Lawrence wants to train overseas, preferably in Dubai now. Shane obviously can’t commit to that given the other fighters he has so essentially said that unless Lawrence changes his mind then they won’t be working together going forward.
Has it ever worked out well for a fighter when they get rid of all of their main team (trainer, promoter, manager) and then self manage or have friends/family manage them?
Re: Lawrence Okolie
Posted: 23 Nov 2022, 05:50
by Ruthless-RKO
maverick23 wrote: ↑23 Nov 2022, 04:10
Shane McGuigan did an interview with ID boxing yesterday. He said that Lawrence wants to train overseas, preferably in Dubai now. Shane obviously can’t commit to that given the other fighters he has so essentially said that unless Lawrence changes his mind then they won’t be working together going forward.
Has it ever worked out well for a fighter when they get rid of all of their main team (trainer, promoter, manager) and then self manage or have friends/family manage them?
It sounds like Lawrence wanted to save money and self-manage himself or have a mate from when he was younger do it.
I'm not surprised tbh. Boxing 'managers' are absolute leeches these days. Clowns like 'S Jam' and '258' taking 25% when they know as much about boxing as my nan.
Re: Lawrence Okolie
Posted: 23 Nov 2022, 08:42
by bripez
maverick23 wrote: ↑23 Nov 2022, 04:10
Shane McGuigan did an interview with ID boxing yesterday. He said that Lawrence wants to train overseas, preferably in Dubai now. Shane obviously can’t commit to that given the other fighters he has so essentially said that unless Lawrence changes his mind then they won’t be working together going forward.
Has it ever worked out well for a fighter when they get rid of all of their main team (trainer, promoter, manager) and then self manage or have friends/family manage them?
I can't think of an example where it worked out well - going back to Varry Mcguigan when he left Mr Eastwood
The driving force is usually money - they don't mind giving a % when they aren't earning much but if the get big money they often change their mind.
Spud wrote: ↑22 Nov 2022, 13:55
I am extremely surprised at Okolie.
I met him something like 3 times and he was really kind & chatted to me and I went away thinking what a totally reasonable bloke he was.
But, since winning his world title he has not handled the pressure & limelight that comes with a with it.
It reminds me so much of David Haye. A lot of the time David was a really kind, and generous bloke but as soon as the cameras were turned off you found out what he was really like.
I know you get a bit of grief for telling behind the scenes stories but I enjoy the gossip, and also think Haye is a dickhead. Just out of curiosity, you said you managed to catch some of the sparring between David and Deontay Wilder, which is something I think most of us would've loved to have been a fly on the wall for. How was Hrgovic during that sparring? A lot of us who rated him put a lot of stock into stories of him sparring in that camp, him cutting David, and some footage of him sparring Wilder and giving him work.
Is Hrgovic the goods in your opinion? His head doesn't seem to be in the game at the moment but I can't help thinking it might be a case of 'careful what you wish for' when it comes to Hearn angling to get AJ-Hrgovic made for the vacant IBF. I wonder if Hrg suddenly gets serious and goes into that fight with his head screwed on properly AJ might get a bit more than he bargained for?
Yeah I love the inside info too and would love to hear more stories
maverick23 wrote: ↑23 Nov 2022, 04:10
Shane McGuigan did an interview with ID boxing yesterday. He said that Lawrence wants to train overseas, preferably in Dubai now. Shane obviously can’t commit to that given the other fighters he has so essentially said that unless Lawrence changes his mind then they won’t be working together going forward.
Has it ever worked out well for a fighter when they get rid of all of their main team (trainer, promoter, manager) and then self manage or have friends/family manage them?
I can't think of an example where it worked out well - going back to Varry Mcguigan when he left Mr Eastwood
The driving force is usually money - they don't mind giving a % when they aren't earning much but if the get big money they often change their mind.
They should negotiate a cap.
10% or £100k whichever is greater.. or something like that.
A lot of the bigger money makes do.
One of the reasons Abel for the boot.
Joshua surely wasn’t paying Rob millions from his purse was he?
Same with Canelo, FMJ?
The onl boxer I heard say he gave his trainer a high % was Loma. His trainer being his dad. He was giving him like 40%.
It sounds like Lawrence wanted to save money and self-manage himself or have a mate from when he was younger do it.
I'm not surprised tbh. Boxing 'managers' are absolute leeches these days. Clowns like 'S Jam' and '258' taking 25% when they know as much about boxing as my nan.
I wonder if the 25% is still used. I’d be surprised if it is across the board.
I also think it depends what the management company does. For me, they should be making sure true boxer is maximising their income as much as possible. I think Lawrence had deals with William Hill and Boohoo. It also helped get him on a few AJ shows too which would have been far more widely seen than on a normal show.
maverick23 wrote: ↑23 Nov 2022, 04:10
Shane McGuigan did an interview with ID boxing yesterday. He said that Lawrence wants to train overseas, preferably in Dubai now. Shane obviously can’t commit to that given the other fighters he has so essentially said that unless Lawrence changes his mind then they won’t be working together going forward.
Has it ever worked out well for a fighter when they get rid of all of their main team (trainer, promoter, manager) and then self manage or have friends/family manage them?
Why does he want to train in Dubai anyway?
I’m not sure but I’d imagine he may want to base himself there for tax reasons. There may be some upside for him if he says that’s where he lives/works.
Re: Lawrence Okolie
Posted: 23 Nov 2022, 09:18
by Wee Tommy
maverick23 wrote: ↑23 Nov 2022, 04:10
Shane McGuigan did an interview with ID boxing yesterday. He said that Lawrence wants to train overseas, preferably in Dubai now. Shane obviously can’t commit to that given the other fighters he has so essentially said that unless Lawrence changes his mind then they won’t be working together going forward.
Has it ever worked out well for a fighter when they get rid of all of their main team (trainer, promoter, manager) and then self manage or have friends/family manage them?
maverick23 wrote: ↑23 Nov 2022, 04:10
Shane McGuigan did an interview with ID boxing yesterday. He said that Lawrence wants to train overseas, preferably in Dubai now. Shane obviously can’t commit to that given the other fighters he has so essentially said that unless Lawrence changes his mind then they won’t be working together going forward.
Has it ever worked out well for a fighter when they get rid of all of their main team (trainer, promoter, manager) and then self manage or have friends/family manage them?
Why does he want to train in Dubai anyway?
Because it’s warm all year round, has great gyms, no income tax, 5% VAT, 60p per litre petrol and makes that shit hole UK look like a third world country.
Don’t know if any of that would make sense to a boxer looking to earn a lot of money and have a happy training environment
maverick23 wrote: ↑23 Nov 2022, 04:10
Shane McGuigan did an interview with ID boxing yesterday. He said that Lawrence wants to train overseas, preferably in Dubai now. Shane obviously can’t commit to that given the other fighters he has so essentially said that unless Lawrence changes his mind then they won’t be working together going forward.
Has it ever worked out well for a fighter when they get rid of all of their main team (trainer, promoter, manager) and then self manage or have friends/family manage them?
Why does he want to train in Dubai anyway?
Because it’s warm all year round, has great gyms, no income tax, 5% VAT, 60p per litre petrol and makes that shit hole UK look like a third world country.
Don’t know if any of that would make sense to a boxer looking to earn a lot of money and have a happy training environment
All makes sence , UNLESS your knocking on the door for world title honors , big money and need a good trainer and most of all good sparring
