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1103924 wrote: ↑16 Oct 2022, 07:08

Controversial wrote: ↑16 Oct 2022, 06:57 His power is unreal

He has power, no doubt, but Helenius is 38 and has already been knocked out by Duhaupas and Gerald Washington. Surely there has to be some context here.

Sure but I meant move the way he knocks people out.

Some shot from wilder

Against a man though who was nothing more than an ease back into it fight

Controversial wrote: ↑16 Oct 2022, 13:50

1103924 wrote: ↑16 Oct 2022, 07:08

Controversial wrote: ↑16 Oct 2022, 06:57 His power is unreal

He has power, no doubt, but Helenius is 38 and has already been knocked out by Duhaupas and Gerald Washington. Surely there has to be some context here.

Sure but I meant move the way he knocks people out.

Yeah he has never been flattened like that, usually he runs out of steam first.

While it was an obvious warm up fight, the Fin would still be in most folks top 15

Glass Joe wrote: ↑16 Oct 2022, 04:14

that does look suspect

Elbow high
Moving backward
Little rotation
Doesn't hit with the knuckles,
But bops him on the nose

And Helenius drops like he's been hit by The Touch of Death in a 70s Kung-Fu movie.

Finkel wrote: ↑16 Oct 2022, 18:37

Glass Joe wrote: ↑16 Oct 2022, 04:14

that does look suspect

Elbow high
Moving backward
Little rotation
Doesn't hit with the knuckles,
But bops him on the nose

And Helenius drops like he's been hit by The Touch of Death in a 70s Kung-Fu movie.

He fell backwards on his leg didn’t he.

1103924 wrote: ↑16 Oct 2022, 10:13

lookingaround87 wrote: ↑16 Oct 2022, 09:51

stevec@france wrote: ↑16 Oct 2022, 06:35 this was rigged between the two of them who are old pals .
No way was that a legit punch .

The punch was soft and almost as fake as the Malik Scott 'knockout'.

Nah, he clearly hits him clean in the chops and Helenius' face contorts in slow mo.

I never denied he landed a shot, I said the shot was soft. It wasn't a hard shot. It was a fake KO.

It was like something from a black and white movie, bopped him on the head and knocked out. Was a strange one.

We all know that Wilder hits hard , BUT that punch looked no harder than he hit that retarded kid Charlie with , and he did'nt ko Charlie ,,, Look with all the money involved a fight with AJ or Usyk would bring ,, does anyone really believe its beyong the reallms of possibility he brought his old sparring partner and mate in , to take a KO , Believe thats not possible and you'lle believe Conor Benn took drugs to get pregnant

If you think that was a dive just hurt yourself.

emallini wrote: ↑16 Oct 2022, 20:27 If you think that was a dive just hurt yourself.

What you don't ,, I would like to see another angle than what i seen ,, but from what i seen , hes moving backwards , , short punch no shoulder behind it , on the nose area , seen absolutly nothing that should suggest a guy on his back like that , UNLESS Helinius has the worst chin in heavyweight history or Wilders power is beyond extreme .

And if you think a dive could'nt be ochestrated , your dillusional

coneye wrote: ↑16 Oct 2022, 21:44

emallini wrote: ↑16 Oct 2022, 20:27 If you think that was a dive just hurt yourself.

What you don't ,, I would like to see another angle than what i seen ,, but from what i seen , hes moving backwards , , short punch no shoulder behind it , on the nose area , seen absolutly nothing that should suggest a guy on his back like that , UNLESS Helinius has the worst chin in heavyweight history or Wilders power is beyond extreme .

And if you think a dive could'nt be ochestrated , your dillusional

at least I am not alone in looking at this so called KO with some scepticism .
have watched it back over and over and its a soft pawing movement not at all consistent with the typical wilder long range full power punch he is famed for .
Something isnt right for me .
DW fanboys dream on .

coneye wrote: ↑16 Oct 2022, 21:44

emallini wrote: ↑16 Oct 2022, 20:27 If you think that was a dive just hurt yourself.

What you don't ,, I would like to see another angle than what i seen ,, but from what i seen , hes moving backwards , , short punch no shoulder behind it , on the nose area , seen absolutly nothing that should suggest a guy on his back like that , UNLESS Helinius has the worst chin in heavyweight history or Wilders power is beyond extreme .

And if you think a dive could'nt be ochestrated , your dillusional

I posted another angle from somebody's ringside phone. You hear the impact, was not a fake KO.

How on earth it can be a dive? Wilder f*cking fell on the ropes and punched off those, landed clean on the target, which was coming directly to his damn right hand.

Taking a dive might mean taking a knee.

The Fin was out before he hit the ground head first.

Obv stuff like his glazed eyes and he was still wobbly on his feet 10 mins later show it was a proper and nasty KO

That's a proper KO, his eyes were in orbit, he lost control of his feet and then did that classic thing where someone's out cold and their feet cross over and they sit there with their arms folded over. There's a medical term for it.

Anyway just look at his eyes, he's clearly out. That's some acting job if that's a dive, give the man an honorary Oscar.

jtourettes wrote: ↑17 Oct 2022, 05:58

coneye wrote: ↑16 Oct 2022, 21:44

emallini wrote: ↑16 Oct 2022, 20:27 If you think that was a dive just hurt yourself.

What you don't ,, I would like to see another angle than what i seen ,, but from what i seen , hes moving backwards , , short punch no shoulder behind it , on the nose area , seen absolutly nothing that should suggest a guy on his back like that , UNLESS Helinius has the worst chin in heavyweight history or Wilders power is beyond extreme .

And if you think a dive could'nt be ochestrated , your dillusional

I posted another angle from somebody's ringside phone. You hear the impact, was not a fake KO.

Where did you post it woud.nt mind h aving an I ther look from a different angle

Read somewhere Ruiz is up for his next one thats a fighti.d like to see think if he could do the same to Ruiz it would put me on the Wilder bandwaggon and then by default on the Fury train . Heaven forbid

coneye wrote: ↑16 Oct 2022, 21:44

emallini wrote: ↑16 Oct 2022, 20:27 If you think that was a dive just hurt yourself.

What you don't ,, I would like to see another angle than what i seen ,, but from what i seen , hes moving backwards , , short punch no shoulder behind it , on the nose area , seen absolutly nothing that should suggest a guy on his back like that , UNLESS Helinius has the worst chin in heavyweight history or Wilders power is beyond extreme .

And if you think a dive could'nt be ochestrated , your dillusional

I think it's genuine. I think he's moving back and then suddenly moves forward and turns the punch over in full incredibly fast and yes his shoulder was behind it. Helenius neck snaps back and he looks like he lands very heavy like a tree landing hard on his back. He also look frozen and his eyes looked in a state of shock like Golota against Lennox

This will give you other angles, the clip around 2:23 is the best view of it

Very suspect KO. Helenius has never looked that fragile before.

tonyevs wrote: ↑17 Oct 2022, 12:42 Very suspect KO. Helenius has never looked that fragile before.

Maybe he’s never been hit by such a big puncher before?

helenius was ktfo by a gerald washington right hand before, washington cant crack at all

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑17 Oct 2022, 12:45 helenius was ktfo by a gerald washington right hand before, washington cant crack at all

No doubt… but Wilder has like a 99% KO record nearing 50 fights (many of them ‘genuine KOs’ that I know you like to masterbate to…)

He can crack like you wouldn’t believe…. He landed 3 punches against Helenius and that was enough to send him for a hotdog.

Anyone who thinks RH took a dive is giving out serial killer vibes.

Obviously he needs to bang out an all time great like Otto Wallin to get some serious respect from you about his punching power you horny little devil.

that's my point...if light hitting gerry could ktfo helly with a right hand, it doesnt take a dive for long lanky d to flatten him quickly with one

admittedly it looked like a goofy shot, but it landed clean and he walked right onto it