Good idea, however I'm guessing the arena would be empty, people won't go, they will just want their money back.
Yeah - the only way they could keep the show going is by having Eubank Jr fight someone else. I think Cash would be perfect but they (Eddie/Kalle) didn’t seem keen on that option.
Apparently Jake Paul has said he will step in
He’s invited Eubank to his next fight - I don’t think he’s offered to step in but who knows with Jake Paul.
Good idea, however I'm guessing the arena would be empty, people won't go, they will just want their money back.
Yeah - the only way they could keep the show going is by having Eubank Jr fight someone else. I think Cash would be perfect but they (Eddie/Kalle) didn’t seem keen on that option.
Sims will be panicking once Cash now gets ‘randomly’ tested.
It’ll be UKAD though and it’ll be out of his system. I’d be willing to bet that Cash isn’t signed up to VADA!
Yeah - the only way they could keep the show going is by having Eubank Jr fight someone else. I think Cash would be perfect but they (Eddie/Kalle) didn’t seem keen on that option.
Apparently Jake Paul has said he will step in
He’s invited Eubank to his next fight - I don’t think he’s offered to step in but who knows with Jake Paul.
Ahh I thought he had, I dont pay any attention to stories about him to be honest
Re: Connor Benn fails drug test!
Posted: 06 Oct 2022, 04:23
by Counter-puncher
i was round a mates last night who's a casual fan, trying to explain all this bollocks to him with A samples and different testing bodies and B samples and fking legal injunctions and Malta and Luxembourg and fvck knows what, I mean, it's impossible isn't it? any normal person is just looking at you like 'wtf'. fking boxing.
Yeah - the only way they could keep the show going is by having Eubank Jr fight someone else. I think Cash would be perfect but they (Eddie/Kalle) didn’t seem keen on that option.
Sims will be panicking once Cash now gets ‘randomly’ tested.
It’ll be UKAD though and it’ll be out of his system. I’d be willing to bet that Cash isn’t signed up to VADA!
Cash was with him training on the Isle of Wight as well. He was probably in the same room / building & glowing at the same time as Benn but as you say won’t be doing Vada testing so wouldn’t have been tested whilst the following week when they both had it out of their systems.
Re: Connor Benn fails drug test!
Posted: 06 Oct 2022, 07:39
by ThereByTheGrace
The "sport" is a joke
Re: Connor Benn fails drug test!
Posted: 06 Oct 2022, 07:44
by a force
It’s up to the athlete to request the B sample be tested. If you decide you don’t want the B sample testing or simply don’t respond within a certain timeframe it’s assumed that you accept the results of the A sample.
It’s not down to Wada or any other anti-doping agency to test the B sample until the athlete / promoter requests it.
Make no mistake Benn & Hearn have left this as long as possible to try & ensure the fight still goes ahead because they don’t have a B sample tested even though it’s them that haven’t requested it.
Unfortunately a lot of the media who will be asking questions, G A Davies, Jim White, Simon Jordan, Bunce, Adam Catteral don’t have a clue about this kind of thing & won’t pull Benn & Hearn up on their lies & then you’ve got people like Chris Lloyd & Kugan who will ask even less.
Testosterone replacement is doping. No athlete should be taking synthetic testosterone. Floyd Landis was stripped of his Tour de France title for having it in his system. There’s no grey areas, it’s straight up doping & in any credible sport would lead to a 2 year ban as a minimum.
Any fighter that’s working with a doctor who specialises in it has big questions to ask. Why would fighters based in London like Benn & Cordina be using a doctor based in Birkenhead? It’s nonsense. It’s for doping, there’s no other logical explanation. At least the ones based in the north west can claim he’s local to them. But why do they need a doctor? They might have a massage & need a nutritionist & a S & C coach if they can afford them but they don’t need a doctor & they certainly don’t need one a 4 hour drive away.
a force wrote: ↑06 Oct 2022, 07:44
It’s up to the athlete to request the B sample be tested. If you decide you don’t want the B sample testing or simply don’t respond within a certain timeframe it’s assumed that you accept the results of the A sample.
It’s not down to Wada or any other anti-doping agency to test the B sample until the athlete / promoter requests it.
Make no mistake Benn & Hearn have left this as long as possible to try & ensure the fight still goes ahead because they don’t have a B sample tested even though it’s them that haven’t requested it.
Unfortunately a lot of the media who will be asking questions, G A Davies, Jim White, Simon Jordan, Bunce, Adam Catteral don’t have a clue about this kind of thing & won’t pull Benn & Hearn up on their lies & then you’ve got people like Chris Lloyd & Kugan who will ask even less.
Testosterone replacement is doping. No athlete should be taking synthetic testosterone. Floyd Landis was stripped of his Tour de France title for having it in his system. There’s no grey areas, it’s straight up doping & in any credible sport would lead to a 2 year ban as a minimum.
Any fighter that’s working with a doctor who specialises in it has big questions to ask. Why would fighters based in London like Benn & Cordina be using a doctor based in Birkenhead? It’s nonsense. It’s for doping, there’s no other logical explanation. At least the ones based in the north west can claim he’s local to them. But why do they need a doctor? They might have a massage & need a nutritionist & a S & C coach if they can afford them but they don’t need a doctor & they certainly don’t need one a 4 hour drive away.
Re: Connor Benn fails drug test!
Posted: 06 Oct 2022, 08:11
by JimJim2009
This circus isn't complete until fwank chimes in.
Re: Connor Benn fails drug test!
Posted: 06 Oct 2022, 08:31
by DrDuke
Forgive him, he was outmatched in size.
Re: Connor Benn fails drug test!
Posted: 06 Oct 2022, 08:46
by Ruthless-RKO
JimJim2009 wrote: ↑06 Oct 2022, 08:11
This circus isn't complete until fwank chimes in.
a force wrote: ↑06 Oct 2022, 07:44
It’s up to the athlete to request the B sample be tested. If you decide you don’t want the B sample testing or simply don’t respond within a certain timeframe it’s assumed that you accept the results of the A sample.
It’s not down to Wada or any other anti-doping agency to test the B sample until the athlete / promoter requests it.
Make no mistake Benn & Hearn have left this as long as possible to try & ensure the fight still goes ahead because they don’t have a B sample tested even though it’s them that haven’t requested it.
Unfortunately a lot of the media who will be asking questions, G A Davies, Jim White, Simon Jordan, Bunce, Adam Catteral don’t have a clue about this kind of thing & won’t pull Benn & Hearn up on their lies & then you’ve got people like Chris Lloyd & Kugan who will ask even less.
Testosterone replacement is doping. No athlete should be taking synthetic testosterone. Floyd Landis was stripped of his Tour de France title for having it in his system. There’s no grey areas, it’s straight up doping & in any credible sport would lead to a 2 year ban as a minimum.
Any fighter that’s working with a doctor who specialises in it has big questions to ask. Why would fighters based in London like Benn & Cordina be using a doctor based in Birkenhead? It’s nonsense. It’s for doping, there’s no other logical explanation. At least the ones based in the north west can claim he’s local to them. But why do they need a doctor? They might have a massage & need a nutritionist & a S & C coach if they can afford them but they don’t need a doctor & they certainly don’t need one a 4 hour drive away.
Re: Connor Benn fails drug test!
Posted: 06 Oct 2022, 09:18
by Coco
Id like to see stricter bans.
I guess one prob is that if the fighter has more money than the board, and drags things out in the courts, the board could get bankrupted.
Just look at the Vardy v Rooney case, the BBBoC just couldn't afford it.
Re: Connor Benn fails drug test!
Posted: 06 Oct 2022, 09:43
by jimmystone
Coco wrote: ↑06 Oct 2022, 09:18
Id like to see stricter bans.
I guess one prob is that if the fighter has more money than the board, and drags things out in the courts, the board could get bankrupted.
Just look at the Vardy v Rooney case, the BBBoC just couldn't afford it.
Board can't afford it and nor can UKAD (see them versus Fury for evidence of that) Media and fans have to police it really.
Re: Connor Benn fails drug test!
Posted: 06 Oct 2022, 11:31
by Muttley
jimmystone wrote: ↑05 Oct 2022, 07:37
It shouldn't go ahead however much money is on the line. Boxing will sign its own death warrant as a serious sport if this is somehow overlooked.
I think boxing being a 'serious' sport has long since had the ship sail into the sunset. I mentioned as soon as this fight was announced, that anyone is involved in putting this fight together should be ashamed of themselves.
Reason for looking into it is because the "not in the interests of boxing" ruling seemed odd - if a British licence-holder had tested positive, they could have suspended him until the B sample was tested and could have said that the fight could not take place as one of the two boxers was under suspension. So has the organisation that licences him not yet suspended him?
OK, no takers for this question so far. The EH interview above talks as if Conor Benn is a BBBofC licence holder. Wonder if he has been removed from the website so he does not appear as either suspended or not suspended (in case either position creates a problem for the BBBofC). All a bit curious.
And as for EH saying that they cannot suspend him because the BBBofC does not recognise VADA, they potentially can, by either of two other routes:
- Reg 25.1.1(c) says that misconduct includes "any failure to honour any contractual obligation". If the need to pass VADA testing has been built into the contract, then failing the test would appear to breach that contractual obligation, so misconduct. However, have the BBBofC seen the contract?
- Under Reg 25.1.1, misconduct means "conduct detrimental to the interests of boxing or the public interest". As the Board have already said it is not in the public interest for the contest to go ahead, that would appear to indicate that Benn has done something that fits within this definition.
So they have routes to suspend if they are minded to do so.
Just bumping this very excellent post in reply to posters who say the Board have no basis in their rules to suspend Benn. Theuy absolutely do - see above.
Reason for looking into it is because the "not in the interests of boxing" ruling seemed odd - if a British licence-holder had tested positive, they could have suspended him until the B sample was tested and could have said that the fight could not take place as one of the two boxers was under suspension. So has the organisation that licences him not yet suspended him?
OK, no takers for this question so far. The EH interview above talks as if Conor Benn is a BBBofC licence holder. Wonder if he has been removed from the website so he does not appear as either suspended or not suspended (in case either position creates a problem for the BBBofC). All a bit curious.
And as for EH saying that they cannot suspend him because the BBBofC does not recognise VADA, they potentially can, by either of two other routes:
- Reg 25.1.1(c) says that misconduct includes "any failure to honour any contractual obligation". If the need to pass VADA testing has been built into the contract, then failing the test would appear to breach that contractual obligation, so misconduct. However, have the BBBofC seen the contract?
- Under Reg 25.1.1, misconduct means "conduct detrimental to the interests of boxing or the public interest". As the Board have already said it is not in the public interest for the contest to go ahead, that would appear to indicate that Benn has done something that fits within this definition.
So they have routes to suspend if they are minded to do so.
Just bumping this very excellent post in reply to posters who say the Board have no basis in their rules to suspend Benn. Theuy absolutely do - see above.
Sorry - meant to bump this onto the other thread.
Re: Connor Benn fails drug test!
Posted: 06 Oct 2022, 13:22
by Wee Tommy
jameswilson wrote: ↑05 Oct 2022, 15:00
Apparently it’s a fertility drug meant for women that Benn has taken.
The fight will now be for the IVF title.
I’ve stolen this masterpiece and used it in a couple of group chats and sent to pals that have used steroids but it went over most heads
jameswilson wrote: ↑05 Oct 2022, 15:00
Apparently it’s a fertility drug meant for women that Benn has taken.
The fight will now be for the IVF title.
I’ve stolen this masterpiece and used it in a couple of group chats and sent to pals that have used steroids but it went over most heads
I tried it today with my new boss who’d said he was a boxing fan.
I got a completely stone faced reaction so I knew he was a casual.
Re: Connor Benn fails drug test!
Posted: 06 Oct 2022, 16:12
by Controversial
What will the excuse be? I really can't see how it can be explained away.
Re: Connor Benn fails drug test!
Posted: 06 Oct 2022, 16:19
by Monzon83
Controversial wrote: ↑06 Oct 2022, 16:12
What will the excuse be? I really can't see how it can be explained away.
"Isolated contamination event"
That was what they used to explain Dillian having Dianabol in his system. It will be something like that again.
I very highly doubt they'll allow Benn to say he was actually using any banned substance. They've already started the bullshitting about adverse findings rather than say what it was, a failed test.
Re: Connor Benn fails drug test!
Posted: 06 Oct 2022, 16:21
by maverick23
Controversial wrote: ↑06 Oct 2022, 16:12
What will the excuse be? I really can't see how it can be explained away.
The lady who took sample from him is trying to get pregnant. Also he’s been eating a lot of eggs to help him put on weight and there’s a theory that chickens are given clomiphene to lay more eggs and Conor got traces of it from having 18 a day.
Re: Connor Benn fails drug test!
Posted: 06 Oct 2022, 16:37
by samwbr
A lot of Essex politics to unstitch today. A few fallouts to come.
Re: Connor Benn fails drug test!
Posted: 06 Oct 2022, 16:39
by smiling assassin
I wonder if they will even bother getting the b sample tested as everyone knows what it will show
