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THEBUTCH wrote: ↑11 Apr 2023, 04:50 Quality of opposition is the litmus test.

DDD is way behind AJ when you measure the standard of opposition they've faced....as an argument it doesn't even get off the ground.

Forget sparring. Putting your power into action on the night is what counts.

At 25 maybe Dubois can make his case in the years to come, but here & now, AJ's results and stoppages overshadow anything DDD has achieved.

joshj909 wrote: ↑11 Apr 2023, 05:14

THEBUTCH wrote: ↑11 Apr 2023, 04:50 Quality of opposition is the litmus test.

DDD is way behind AJ when you measure the standard of opposition they've faced....as an argument it doesn't even get off the ground.

Forget sparring. Putting your power into action on the night is what counts.

At 25 maybe Dubois can make his case in the years to come, but here & now, AJ's results and stoppages overshadow anything DDD has achieved.

Agreed. After 20 wins, Joshua had 20 T/KOs which included Klitschko, Takam, Whyte and Kevin Johnson among others. In his first 20 wins, Dubois has no notable KOs or notable wins for that matter. Not to say he can't win or hit hard, but based on what we've seen he has proven absolutely nothing. It's easy to hit someone hard when there's not much of a threat of them hitting you back.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑11 Apr 2023, 02:47 josh has stopped top 10 fighters, whereas dubs has just stopped trash. josh quickly wrecked kev j and nearly knocked him out of the ring in 1 round, whereas dubs couldnt even put him down over 10 rounds. much harder my arse, nothing to show that in actual fights.

as for sparring, tommy fury's sparring power was getting hyped up too, there were guys saying theyd never felt anything like it

mickey1975 wrote: ↑11 Apr 2023, 03:29

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑11 Apr 2023, 02:47 josh has stopped top 10 fighters, whereas dubs has just stopped trash. josh quickly wrecked kev j and nearly knocked him out of the ring in 1 round, whereas dubs couldnt even put him down over 10 rounds. much harder my arse, nothing to show that in actual fights.

as for sparring, tommy fury's sparring power was getting hyped up too, there were guys saying theyd never felt anything like it

Honest question, Mags. Do you speak to many pro boxers? You seem to dispute everything any of them says. Have you had a bad experience of them lying to you?
Also, I am pretty sure AJ V KJ was fixed. I even won money on an early stoppage. The narrative was always going to be could he stop the unstoppable? It created the false image of this destroyer. Worked well for them too.

Manchester Hitman wrote: ↑11 Apr 2023, 08:30

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑11 Apr 2023, 02:47 josh has stopped top 10 fighters, whereas dubs has just stopped trash. josh quickly wrecked kev j and nearly knocked him out of the ring in 1 round, whereas dubs couldnt even put him down over 10 rounds. much harder my arse, nothing to show that in actual fights.

as for sparring, tommy fury's sparring power was getting hyped up too, there were guys saying theyd never felt anything like it

Ok, it’s not an actual fight (apart from Joyce) but how you can just disregard the opinions of guys like
Joyce, Okolie, Adeleye etc who have spared/spent a lot of time in training with both AJ and Dubois and all say DDD is the harder puncher is a bit silly IMO.

Even Joyce with his granite chin knew not to play about with Daniels power and peppered him behind the jab instead.

Yes, AJ made quick work of Johnson, but it’s not a video game. As I suggested, AJ has/had the much quicker hands and better combos which was probably better suited to getting rid of Johnson who is good at riding/parrying attacks.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑11 Apr 2023, 09:59

mickey1975 wrote: ↑11 Apr 2023, 03:29

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑11 Apr 2023, 02:47 josh has stopped top 10 fighters, whereas dubs has just stopped trash. josh quickly wrecked kev j and nearly knocked him out of the ring in 1 round, whereas dubs couldnt even put him down over 10 rounds. much harder my arse, nothing to show that in actual fights.

as for sparring, tommy fury's sparring power was getting hyped up too, there were guys saying theyd never felt anything like it

Honest question, Mags. Do you speak to many pro boxers? You seem to dispute everything any of them says. Have you had a bad experience of them lying to you?
Also, I am pretty sure AJ V KJ was fixed. I even won money on an early stoppage. The narrative was always going to be could he stop the unstoppable? It created the false image of this destroyer. Worked well for them too.

like the pro boxers such as lyndon arthur who said tommy fury hit them harder than anything they've experienced? nah havent spoken to them

The Gratest wrote: ↑11 Apr 2023, 10:14

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑11 Apr 2023, 09:59

mickey1975 wrote: ↑11 Apr 2023, 03:29
Honest question, Mags. Do you speak to many pro boxers? You seem to dispute everything any of them says. Have you had a bad experience of them lying to you?
Also, I am pretty sure AJ V KJ was fixed. I even won money on an early stoppage. The narrative was always going to be could he stop the unstoppable? It created the false image of this destroyer. Worked well for them too.

like the pro boxers such as lyndon arthur who said tommy fury hit them harder than anything they've experienced? nah havent spoken to them

"The Acorn mk2" has gained 3 stone. Maybe moving up to heavy to wreak havoc there?

https://www.manchesterworld.uk/news/peo ... ul-4099434

maverick23 wrote: ↑11 Apr 2023, 10:47

The Gratest wrote: ↑11 Apr 2023, 10:14

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑11 Apr 2023, 09:59

like the pro boxers such as lyndon arthur who said tommy fury hit them harder than anything they've experienced? nah havent spoken to them

"The Acorn mk2" has gained 3 stone. Maybe moving up to heavy to wreak havoc there?

https://www.manchesterworld.uk/news/peo ... ul-4099434

He won’t fight there as the Fury family already has Tyson and Paris up at heavy.

maverick23 wrote: ↑11 Apr 2023, 10:47

The Gratest wrote: ↑11 Apr 2023, 10:14

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑11 Apr 2023, 09:59

like the pro boxers such as lyndon arthur who said tommy fury hit them harder than anything they've experienced? nah havent spoken to them

"The Acorn mk2" has gained 3 stone. Maybe moving up to heavy to wreak havoc there?

https://www.manchesterworld.uk/news/peo ... ul-4099434

He won’t fight there as the Fury family already has Tyson and Paris up at heavy.

Alba wrote: ↑11 Apr 2023, 14:57 Any idea where we expect this to land? The fight surely won't end up on some stadium ?

Coco wrote: ↑11 Apr 2023, 15:25

Alba wrote: ↑11 Apr 2023, 14:57 Any idea where we expect this to land? The fight surely won't end up on some stadium ?

The Copperbox

Or the Royal Albert Hall

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑11 Apr 2023, 17:33

Coco wrote: ↑11 Apr 2023, 15:25

Alba wrote: ↑11 Apr 2023, 14:57 Any idea where we expect this to land? The fight surely won't end up on some stadium ?

The Copperbox

Or the Royal Albert Hall

I do think they should do more events at RAH.

This will probably end up at 02 Arena.

Manchester Hitman wrote: ↑11 Apr 2023, 17:52

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑11 Apr 2023, 17:33

Coco wrote: ↑11 Apr 2023, 15:25

The Copperbox

Or the Royal Albert Hall

I do think they should do more events at RAH.

This will probably end up at 02 Arena.

I read somewhere in order to be able book RAH these days, there needs to be a charitable element to the event.

Usyk-Dubois would sell out the 02 by fight night.

Manchester Hitman wrote: ↑11 Apr 2023, 17:52

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑11 Apr 2023, 17:33

Coco wrote: ↑11 Apr 2023, 15:25

The Copperbox

Or the Royal Albert Hall

I do think they should do more events at RAH.

This will probably end up at 02 Arena.

I read somewhere in order to be able book RAH these days, there needs to be a charitable element to the event.

Usyk-Dubois would sell out the 02 by fight night.

maverick23 wrote: ↑12 Apr 2023, 01:37

Manchester Hitman wrote: ↑11 Apr 2023, 17:52

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑11 Apr 2023, 17:33

I do think they should do more events at RAH.

This will probably end up at 02 Arena.

I read somewhere in order to be able book RAH these days, there needs to be a charitable element to the event.

Usyk-Dubois would sell out the 02 by fight night.

I think the tickets would have to be priced reasonably to sell at the O2.

I also wonder if it’s a formality that Frank actually does the show. Wouldn’t surprise me at all if it goes to purse bids.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑12 Apr 2023, 02:50

maverick23 wrote: ↑12 Apr 2023, 01:37

Manchester Hitman wrote: ↑11 Apr 2023, 17:52

I read somewhere in order to be able book RAH these days, there needs to be a charitable element to the event.

Usyk-Dubois would sell out the 02 by fight night.

I think the tickets would have to be priced reasonably to sell at the O2.

I also wonder if it’s a formality that Frank actually does the show. Wouldn’t surprise me at all if it goes to purse bids.

Surely bt will want the fight

maverick23 wrote: ↑12 Apr 2023, 03:08

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑12 Apr 2023, 02:50

maverick23 wrote: ↑12 Apr 2023, 01:37

I think the tickets would have to be priced reasonably to sell at the O2.

I also wonder if it’s a formality that Frank actually does the show. Wouldn’t surprise me at all if it goes to purse bids.

Surely bt will want the fight

I’m sure they would but team Usyk will want to be well paid as they’ll likely have 75% of any purse split.

It wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest if Eddie’s telling Krassyuk how much he’d bid for it and that he’d stage it in Abu Dhabi i.E. neutral territory.

stevec@france wrote: ↑23 Apr 2023, 11:47 what about the injury suffered vs lerena ?? is DDD even able to go into camp and spar or is this all just BS

joshj909 wrote: ↑23 Apr 2023, 11:52

stevec@france wrote: ↑23 Apr 2023, 11:47 what about the injury suffered vs lerena ?? is DDD even able to go into camp and spar or is this all just BS

Apparently he's been cleared to fight but it seems to me that others in the industry have alluded to being ready to pounce if he's somehow not ready. They kept mentioning it last night with Bakole.