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BigDoofus wrote: ↑21 Nov 2023, 17:44

Redback Rasta wrote: ↑21 Nov 2023, 17:27

jwfg wrote: ↑21 Nov 2023, 17:20

That, sir, is not a fact. It is an assumption.

You are, first assuming the contract was binding for December 23rd when the promoters had made it quite plain it wasn't and second, assuming there were repercussions, when there are no signs whatsoever that is the case

You just lie and make stuff up and are not worth wasting any more time on

Ignore the weirdo.
A couple of months ago he was claiming on here that Fury had just failed a test.
He’s that obsessed he can’t help himself.

That's what I heard from a promoter. I didn't go around parading it as a fact.

Mike Tyson in his prime had fantastically fast feet, I reckon that was his main weapon.
From there he was able to rattle off his combinations.
Speed kills

Prime against prime I pick iron mike to win convincingly inside the distance, he was a fantastic finisher too.

Obviously the jab was the way to beat Mike, but at his peak with his fast feet and head movement, it was so hard to keep him at bay.

If he had fought a prime Larry Holmes it would have been very interesting.

Fury is huge, also has a short body, and he knows how to use his body, other than Valuev, he is the biggest champ ever, and that does give him an advantage.

I reckon that his size will be decisive against Usyk. His man handling of Wilder was so effective

https://x.com/DanCanobbio/status/171878 ... 94687?s=20

Fury, who would have read the contract before signing it, seemed to know that the contract stated the fight had to happen on December 23rd. If it didn't, then Usyk had breeched the contract and would get sued. Fury's own words.

What appears to have happened, in light of Fury's performance against Ngannou, is they realised he would not be ready and needed a break. I think Usyk and his team took this opportunity to have a bit of fun at Fury's expense, turning his own words against him with the 'December 23rd, or he'll get sued' quotes and Usyk sarcastically saying he needed a rest after that.

Now, what had to happen to stop the Saudi's kicking up a storm and any possible legal action, was for Warren to come up with an alternative event for December 23rd to try and appease the money men. That required something that no-one expected, something that needed huge egos to shrink down just a bit and admit they needed each other...Fwank and Eddie coming together to put a card on with equal top billing with the (almost) best of the rest HW's on show. Let's face it, the way their relationship has been in the past, Fwank must have been willing to bend over forwards before agreeing to work alongside Hearn. The threat of a possible law suit against Fury (I guess Fwank's money and future with SA at stake as well) seems to be what was needed for this to happen.

After the talk of Hearn being frozen out from SA, why would Fwank be willing to open the door to allow him and AJ back in? Basically, he had no choice and was probably told this was the only alternative. It was too short notice to go over old ground and negotiate Wilder, so the only other option was to have them both on the same bill and stack the rest of the card. Hearn would have jumped at the chance to slip back into the big Saudi money side of it.

If this event didn't get put together, there may well have been some form of lawsuit heading Fury's way. Thank God Hearn was telling the truth for once and it wasn't just empty words.

Coco wrote: ↑21 Nov 2023, 18:01 Mike Tyson in his prime had fantastically fast feet, I reckon that was his main weapon.
From there he was able to rattle off his combinations.
Speed kills

Prime against prime I pick iron mike to win convincingly inside the distance, he was a fantastic finisher too.

Obviously the jab was the way to beat Mike, but at his peak with his fast feet and head movement, it was so hard to keep him at bay.

If he had fought a prime Larry Holmes it would have been very interesting.

Fury is huge, also has a short body, and he knows how to use his body, other than Valuev, he is the biggest champ ever, and that does give him an advantage.

I reckon that his size will be decisive against Usyk. His man handling of Wilder was so effective

I rewatched highlights of Fury v Cunningham the other night and, despite the stick Fury gets for getting knocked down and the reference to Cunningham (a former cruiser) being his hardest opponent, I actually thought it was one of his best performances. He got rattled with the knockdown, was in trouble and stumbling around trying to cope with Cunningham's speed in the early rounds and came close to almost going over again (a big right caused him to stumble forward and fell into Cunningham, which offered momentary support).
However, he then adjusted, stopped trying to box with Cunningham, started walking him down, applying pressure behind a high held guard, closing him in, mauling when needed, and it began to wear out a supremely fit fighter.
I know the Cunningham fight gets referenced as proof that another former cruiser in Usyk will exploit the same weaknesses in Fury to get the win. I rather look at it that it was Fury who adjusted and knew what he had to do to wear down the smaller man for the win.
Point to note though is that, this version of Fury might not still have the same level of dedication during training to take such a high intensity gameplan into the ring. Also that Usyk's probably a level up from Cunningham and uses a lot more angles and lateral footwork.

The Gratest wrote: ↑21 Nov 2023, 18:29

Coco wrote: ↑21 Nov 2023, 18:01 Mike Tyson in his prime had fantastically fast feet, I reckon that was his main weapon.
From there he was able to rattle off his combinations.
Speed kills

Prime against prime I pick iron mike to win convincingly inside the distance, he was a fantastic finisher too.

Obviously the jab was the way to beat Mike, but at his peak with his fast feet and head movement, it was so hard to keep him at bay.

If he had fought a prime Larry Holmes it would have been very interesting.

Fury is huge, also has a short body, and he knows how to use his body, other than Valuev, he is the biggest champ ever, and that does give him an advantage.

I reckon that his size will be decisive against Usyk. His man handling of Wilder was so effective

I rewatched highlights of Fury v Cunningham the other night and, despite the stick Fury gets for getting knocked down and the reference to Cunningham (a former cruiser) being his hardest opponent, I actually thought it was one of his best performances. He got rattled with the knockdown, was in trouble and stumbling around trying to cope with Cunningham's speed in the early rounds and came close to almost going over again (a big right caused him to stumble forward and fell into Cunningham, which offered momentary support).
However, he then adjusted, stopped trying to box with Cunningham, started walking him down, applying pressure behind a high held guard, closing him in, mauling when needed, and it began to wear out a supremely fit fighter.
I know the Cunningham fight gets referenced as proof that another former cruiser in Usyk will exploit the same weaknesses in Fury to get the win. I rather look at it that it was Fury who adjusted and knew what he had to do to wear down the smaller man for the win.
Point to note though is that, this version of Fury might not still have the same level of dedication during training to take such a high intensity gameplan into the ring. Also that Usyk's probably a level up from Cunningham and uses a lot more angles and lateral footwork.

One of Fury's strengths is that he has a plan B, furthermore after tough fights against McDermott, Cunningham and Wilder, he has showed that each time he has learned and adapted.
I also rewatched the Cunningham and Wilder 3, fights the other night and in both after being in trouble, he adapted, really used his size well and completely wore down and beat up both fighters.
Wilder took a terrible beating, I'd be surprised if he hasn't got permanent damage from that fight.
It was a fantastic fight.

Coco wrote: ↑21 Nov 2023, 19:00

The Gratest wrote: ↑21 Nov 2023, 18:29

Coco wrote: ↑21 Nov 2023, 18:01 Mike Tyson in his prime had fantastically fast feet, I reckon that was his main weapon.
From there he was able to rattle off his combinations.
Speed kills

Prime against prime I pick iron mike to win convincingly inside the distance, he was a fantastic finisher too.

Obviously the jab was the way to beat Mike, but at his peak with his fast feet and head movement, it was so hard to keep him at bay.

If he had fought a prime Larry Holmes it would have been very interesting.

Fury is huge, also has a short body, and he knows how to use his body, other than Valuev, he is the biggest champ ever, and that does give him an advantage.

I reckon that his size will be decisive against Usyk. His man handling of Wilder was so effective

I rewatched highlights of Fury v Cunningham the other night and, despite the stick Fury gets for getting knocked down and the reference to Cunningham (a former cruiser) being his hardest opponent, I actually thought it was one of his best performances. He got rattled with the knockdown, was in trouble and stumbling around trying to cope with Cunningham's speed in the early rounds and came close to almost going over again (a big right caused him to stumble forward and fell into Cunningham, which offered momentary support).
However, he then adjusted, stopped trying to box with Cunningham, started walking him down, applying pressure behind a high held guard, closing him in, mauling when needed, and it began to wear out a supremely fit fighter.
I know the Cunningham fight gets referenced as proof that another former cruiser in Usyk will exploit the same weaknesses in Fury to get the win. I rather look at it that it was Fury who adjusted and knew what he had to do to wear down the smaller man for the win.
Point to note though is that, this version of Fury might not still have the same level of dedication during training to take such a high intensity gameplan into the ring. Also that Usyk's probably a level up from Cunningham and uses a lot more angles and lateral footwork.

One of Fury's strengths is that he has a plan B, furthermore after tough fights against McDermott, Cunningham and Wilder, he has showed that each time he has learned and adapted.
I also rewatched the Cunningham and Wilder 3, fights the other night and in both after being in trouble, he adapted, really used his size well and completely wore down and beat up both fighters.
Wilder took a terrible beating, I'd be surprised if he hasn't got permanent damage from that fight.
It was a fantastic fight.

It's worth pointing out that he was close to being stopped by wilder in fight 3.

He also showed no adaptability against ngannou

Coco wrote: ↑21 Nov 2023, 19:00

The Gratest wrote: ↑21 Nov 2023, 18:29

Coco wrote: ↑21 Nov 2023, 18:01 Mike Tyson in his prime had fantastically fast feet, I reckon that was his main weapon.
From there he was able to rattle off his combinations.
Speed kills

Prime against prime I pick iron mike to win convincingly inside the distance, he was a fantastic finisher too.

Obviously the jab was the way to beat Mike, but at his peak with his fast feet and head movement, it was so hard to keep him at bay.

If he had fought a prime Larry Holmes it would have been very interesting.

Fury is huge, also has a short body, and he knows how to use his body, other than Valuev, he is the biggest champ ever, and that does give him an advantage.

I reckon that his size will be decisive against Usyk. His man handling of Wilder was so effective

I rewatched highlights of Fury v Cunningham the other night and, despite the stick Fury gets for getting knocked down and the reference to Cunningham (a former cruiser) being his hardest opponent, I actually thought it was one of his best performances. He got rattled with the knockdown, was in trouble and stumbling around trying to cope with Cunningham's speed in the early rounds and came close to almost going over again (a big right caused him to stumble forward and fell into Cunningham, which offered momentary support).
However, he then adjusted, stopped trying to box with Cunningham, started walking him down, applying pressure behind a high held guard, closing him in, mauling when needed, and it began to wear out a supremely fit fighter.
I know the Cunningham fight gets referenced as proof that another former cruiser in Usyk will exploit the same weaknesses in Fury to get the win. I rather look at it that it was Fury who adjusted and knew what he had to do to wear down the smaller man for the win.
Point to note though is that, this version of Fury might not still have the same level of dedication during training to take such a high intensity gameplan into the ring. Also that Usyk's probably a level up from Cunningham and uses a lot more angles and lateral footwork.

One of Fury's strengths is that he has a plan B, furthermore after tough fights against McDermott, Cunningham and Wilder, he has showed that each time he has learned and adapted.
I also rewatched the Cunningham and Wilder 3, fights the other night and in both after being in trouble, he adapted, really used his size well and completely wore down and beat up both fighters.
Wilder took a terrible beating, I'd be surprised if he hasn't got permanent damage from that fight.
It was a fantastic fight.

There's no doubt Fury is a smart, adaptable fighter, as is Usyk and that's one of the reasons I see this as such a fascinating matchup.

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑21 Nov 2023, 19:07

Coco wrote: ↑21 Nov 2023, 19:00

The Gratest wrote: ↑21 Nov 2023, 18:29

I rewatched highlights of Fury v Cunningham the other night and, despite the stick Fury gets for getting knocked down and the reference to Cunningham (a former cruiser) being his hardest opponent, I actually thought it was one of his best performances. He got rattled with the knockdown, was in trouble and stumbling around trying to cope with Cunningham's speed in the early rounds and came close to almost going over again (a big right caused him to stumble forward and fell into Cunningham, which offered momentary support).
However, he then adjusted, stopped trying to box with Cunningham, started walking him down, applying pressure behind a high held guard, closing him in, mauling when needed, and it began to wear out a supremely fit fighter.
I know the Cunningham fight gets referenced as proof that another former cruiser in Usyk will exploit the same weaknesses in Fury to get the win. I rather look at it that it was Fury who adjusted and knew what he had to do to wear down the smaller man for the win.
Point to note though is that, this version of Fury might not still have the same level of dedication during training to take such a high intensity gameplan into the ring. Also that Usyk's probably a level up from Cunningham and uses a lot more angles and lateral footwork.

One of Fury's strengths is that he has a plan B, furthermore after tough fights against McDermott, Cunningham and Wilder, he has showed that each time he has learned and adapted.
I also rewatched the Cunningham and Wilder 3, fights the other night and in both after being in trouble, he adapted, really used his size well and completely wore down and beat up both fighters.
Wilder took a terrible beating, I'd be surprised if he hasn't got permanent damage from that fight.
It was a fantastic fight.

It's worth pointing out that he was close to being stopped by wilder in fight 3.

He also showed no adaptability against ngannou

He adapted very quickly to changing his next fight from December to February.

I don’t really see how Fury is going to dramatically improve his form in the next 2 and a half months. Is he really going to eat that healthily over the Christmas period in Morecambe? He’ll likely be a world away from his Wlad fight condition still, plus a lot older and more faded.

Cunningham was in a fairly steep decline when Fury fought him.
Wilder was looking sorry for himself in their last fight as early as the 3rd round ... Not sure how credible any kudos for Fury's adaptability etc are regarding those guys when compared to Usyk.

I do agree that fWank had to offer the Saudis something more than he would have been happy with. I think serving them Dubois is a sign of that.

It's interesting who both AJ and Hrgovic are matched with. Hrg has a very easy knock over .. I think AJ has an opponent made for him also which will give him his highlight real KO to redeem himself from.

jwfg wrote: ↑21 Nov 2023, 17:53

BigDoofus wrote: ↑21 Nov 2023, 17:44

Redback Rasta wrote: ↑21 Nov 2023, 17:27

You are, first assuming the contract was binding for December 23rd when the promoters had made it quite plain it wasn't and second, assuming there were repercussions, when there are no signs whatsoever that is the case

You just lie and make stuff up and are not worth wasting any more time on

Ignore the weirdo.
A couple of months ago he was claiming on here that Fury had just failed a test.
He’s that obsessed he can’t help himself.

That's what I heard from a promoter.

You promote your own lies.

BigDoofus wrote: ↑22 Nov 2023, 02:50

jwfg wrote: ↑21 Nov 2023, 17:53

BigDoofus wrote: ↑21 Nov 2023, 17:44
Ignore the weirdo.
A couple of months ago he was claiming on here that Fury had just failed a test.
He’s that obsessed he can’t help himself.

That's what I heard from a promoter.

You promote your own lies.

Fury is a proven drug cheat, twice in fact, so it's highly likely. Once a dirty cheater, always a dirty cheater IMO. You are so biased towards Fury that you scarcely acknowledge his cheating past.

I thought I’d try to resurrect this thread to see, with the fight almost upon us, has anyone’s view changed either way?

For me personally it’s hard to root against the smaller guy who is the absolute epitome of dedication / professionalism, however I’m still rooting for Fury - the clear underdog in my eyes.

Also, were Fury to win (and somehow look good doing it) we’d then have the prospect of Fury v Joshua down the line for all the marbles. This is surely far and away a better outcome than Usyk v Joshua III.

Forgetting about John Fury, or Doofus, or even dare I say it PED’s for a minute, can you root for the big daft lump on Saturday night?

I'm rooting for Fury,
1. Because I've tipped him and want to be right!
And 2. Because I like the guy despite his dad.

I'm rooting for the Saudi police arresting John straight afterwards on assault charges and him spending 3 months in jail, further adding to his legacy and provoking another speaking tour

KiwiRider wrote: ↑16 May 2024, 17:04 I'm rooting for the Saudi police arresting John straight afterwards on assault charges and him spending 3 months in jail, further adding to his legacy and provoking another speaking tour

Something we can definitely agree on!

I'm backing Usyk,the main reason is because I'm sick of hearing all the shite that comes out of Tyson and Johns vile mouths, I just prefer to watch and listen to respectful,decent humans these days,the whole Fury show may have impressed me when I was a child but not anymore.

I almost always want the Brit to win and this is no exception despite the sh1teshow of a build up.

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑16 May 2024, 17:09

KiwiRider wrote: ↑16 May 2024, 17:04 I'm rooting for the Saudi police arresting John straight afterwards on assault charges and him spending 3 months in jail, further adding to his legacy and provoking another speaking tour

Something we can definitely agree on!

100% would be golden, absolute joy.

I just want a good fight, I keep changing my mind A LOT.

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑16 May 2024, 18:02

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑16 May 2024, 17:09

KiwiRider wrote: ↑16 May 2024, 17:04 I'm rooting for the Saudi police arresting John straight afterwards on assault charges and him spending 3 months in jail, further adding to his legacy and provoking another speaking tour

Something we can definitely agree on!

100% would be golden, absolute joy.

Clear cut assault. They should throw the book at him

uk has enough good fighters not to need a fury win for patriotic reasons. just dont like the whole circus of tyson fury. loved hiss early career mind you, those years were very fun

Suits the Saudis to put up with John Fury, but he shouldn't push his luck, they would probably lop off his head if he went too far

I almost never root if I don't have a bet down. Not rooting in this one but I can't wait to see it.

I'm rooting for Usyk , primarily because he's the smaller guy with arguely the biggest job , also because i want to see John unhappy , But mostly i'm rooting for the small guy john assaulted ,

People are calling for the police to be involved my take is that kid would off been told very quickly by Usyks managers NOT TO SAY ANYTHING AND NOT TO PRESS CHARGES ,, after all if he was and slung in jail chances are Fury would use it has an excuse to pull out , However after the fight and before John goes home i'm hoping like mad the kid reports him to the police and makes it official . Its his golden opportunity to make a quid , because bet your life Fury will pay him off , rather than see his dad back where he belongs ,

Thats if its not already happenned