Re: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Rico Verhoeven | DAZN - May 23, 2026
Posted: 15 May 2026, 10:32
Itauma vs Sanchez/Torrez winner later this year for the vacant IBF title?
Itauma would likely have to win an eliminator for that. Jalolov or Hrgovic as the opponent?Sendo Takeshi wrote: ↑15 May 2026, 10:32 Itauma vs Sanchez/Torrez winner later this year for the vacant IBF title?
First, this is by far the worst and most disgraceful titles defense, because although a very good kickboxer (and definitely not among the greatest), he is not a boxer and a lot better ones are bypassed by Usyk. Second, Tommy Morrison was not praised as highly as the tricky cheaty belly.Sendo Takeshi wrote: ↑14 May 2026, 08:32You guys are overreacting. At least Verhoeven is one of the greatest heavyweight kickboxers of all time.
Boxing has seen far worse title defenses. Tommy Morrison defended his title against a guy who was literally drinking beer in the crowd when the original opponent pulled out and got thrown in on short notice.
History is full of similar cherry-picked mismatches, especially in the heavyweight division.
There isn’t a single credible source that wouldn’t agree Rico is one of the greatest heavyweight kickboxers of all time.fifth_root wrote: ↑15 May 2026, 14:21First, this is by far the worst and most disgraceful titles defense, because although a very good kickboxer (and definitely not among the greatest), he is not a boxer and a lot better ones are bypassed by Usyk. Second, Tommy Morrison was not praised as highly as the tricky cheaty belly.Sendo Takeshi wrote: ↑14 May 2026, 08:32You guys are overreacting. At least Verhoeven is one of the greatest heavyweight kickboxers of all time.
Boxing has seen far worse title defenses. Tommy Morrison defended his title against a guy who was literally drinking beer in the crowd when the original opponent pulled out and got thrown in on short notice.
History is full of similar cherry-picked mismatches, especially in the heavyweight division.
Why didn't Usyk try a kickboxing match instead? Or agree on one boxing, and one kickboxing?
Tough to say. There is no #1 and #2 in the IBF. Sanchez and Torrez are #3 and #4 and Itauma is #5.joshj909 wrote: ↑15 May 2026, 11:03Itauma would likely have to win an eliminator for that. Jalolov or Hrgovic as the opponent?Sendo Takeshi wrote: ↑15 May 2026, 10:32 Itauma vs Sanchez/Torrez winner later this year for the vacant IBF title?
Oh, so you are the official speaker of "credible sources"? This approach is so typical, combined with another cliche - "hater". Why would I be a hater by stating facts? Did I say Usyk is a *hitty boxer? Am I obliged to like/love somebody? In that sense, you don't sound very positive towards me, without even knowing me.Sendo Takeshi wrote: ↑16 May 2026, 06:54There isn’t a single credible source that wouldn’t agree Rico is one of the greatest heavyweight kickboxers of all time.fifth_root wrote: ↑15 May 2026, 14:21First, this is by far the worst and most disgraceful titles defense, because although a very good kickboxer (and definitely not among the greatest), he is not a boxer and a lot better ones are bypassed by Usyk. Second, Tommy Morrison was not praised as highly as the tricky cheaty belly.Sendo Takeshi wrote: ↑14 May 2026, 08:32
You guys are overreacting. At least Verhoeven is one of the greatest heavyweight kickboxers of all time.
Boxing has seen far worse title defenses. Tommy Morrison defended his title against a guy who was literally drinking beer in the crowd when the original opponent pulled out and got thrown in on short notice.
History is full of similar cherry-picked mismatches, especially in the heavyweight division.
Why didn't Usyk try a kickboxing match instead? Or agree on one boxing, and one kickboxing?
Calling him just “a very good kickboxer (and definitely not among the greatest)” is a huge understatement.
I assume you mean Usyk with “cheaty belly”?
Which pretty much confirms you’re just a hater. Makes sense now..
Why didn’t Usyk try a kickboxing match? Why should he?
He has zero reason to move to kickboxing.
Rico and the MMA guys are the ones who want the payday. If you want the payday, do what you're fking told..
IBF don't have top 2 ranked guys until they win an eliminator. Sanchez/Torrez Will enter at #1. Itauma will get asked to fight for the second spot so it's whether he accepts it and who else accepts it.Sendo Takeshi wrote: ↑16 May 2026, 06:57Tough to say. There is no #1 and #2 in the IBF. Sanchez and Torrez are #3 and #4 and Itauma is #5.joshj909 wrote: ↑15 May 2026, 11:03Itauma would likely have to win an eliminator for that. Jalolov or Hrgovic as the opponent?Sendo Takeshi wrote: ↑15 May 2026, 10:32 Itauma vs Sanchez/Torrez winner later this year for the vacant IBF title?
I guess Itauma is gonna be the secound highest ranked heavyweight after that fight.
Even though I'm pretty sure Hrgovic was in the plans for Itauma later this year.
You can say alot about Frank, but he planned this stuff through for Itauma.
I'm just going by actual results and expert consensus. Facts don't care about your opinion.fifth_root wrote: ↑16 May 2026, 09:02Oh, so you are the official speaker of "credible sources"?Sendo Takeshi wrote: ↑16 May 2026, 06:54There isn’t a single credible source that wouldn’t agree Rico is one of the greatest heavyweight kickboxers of all time.fifth_root wrote: ↑15 May 2026, 14:21
First, this is by far the worst and most disgraceful titles defense, because although a very good kickboxer (and definitely not among the greatest), he is not a boxer and a lot better ones are bypassed by Usyk. Second, Tommy Morrison was not praised as highly as the tricky cheaty belly.
Why didn't Usyk try a kickboxing match instead? Or agree on one boxing, and one kickboxing?
Calling him just “a very good kickboxer (and definitely not among the greatest)” is a huge understatement.
I assume you mean Usyk with “cheaty belly”?
Which pretty much confirms you’re just a hater. Makes sense now..
Why didn’t Usyk try a kickboxing match? Why should he?
He has zero reason to move to kickboxing.
Rico and the MMA guys are the ones who want the payday. If you want the payday, do what you're fking told..
Sendo Takeshi wrote: ↑16 May 2026, 06:54There isn’t a single credible source that wouldn’t agree Rico is one of the greatest heavyweight kickboxers of all time.fifth_root wrote: ↑15 May 2026, 14:21First, this is by far the worst and most disgraceful titles defense, because although a very good kickboxer (and definitely not among the greatest), he is not a boxer and a lot better ones are bypassed by Usyk. Second, Tommy Morrison was not praised as highly as the tricky cheaty belly.Sendo Takeshi wrote: ↑14 May 2026, 08:32
You guys are overreacting. At least Verhoeven is one of the greatest heavyweight kickboxers of all time.
Boxing has seen far worse title defenses. Tommy Morrison defended his title against a guy who was literally drinking beer in the crowd when the original opponent pulled out and got thrown in on short notice.
History is full of similar cherry-picked mismatches, especially in the heavyweight division.
Why didn't Usyk try a kickboxing match instead? Or agree on one boxing, and one kickboxing?
Calling him just “a very good kickboxer (and definitely not among the greatest)” is a huge understatement.
I assume you mean Usyk with “cheaty belly”?
Which pretty much confirms you’re just a hater. Makes sense now..
Why didn’t Usyk try a kickboxing match? Why should he?
He has zero reason to move to kickboxing.
Rico and the MMA guys are the ones who want the payday. If you want the payday, do what you're fking told..
How could it be?Thomastearns wrote: ↑17 May 2026, 16:26Sendo Takeshi wrote: ↑16 May 2026, 06:54There isn’t a single credible source that wouldn’t agree Rico is one of the greatest heavyweight kickboxers of all time.fifth_root wrote: ↑15 May 2026, 14:21
First, this is by far the worst and most disgraceful titles defense, because although a very good kickboxer (and definitely not among the greatest), he is not a boxer and a lot better ones are bypassed by Usyk. Second, Tommy Morrison was not praised as highly as the tricky cheaty belly.
Why didn't Usyk try a kickboxing match instead? Or agree on one boxing, and one kickboxing?
Calling him just “a very good kickboxer (and definitely not among the greatest)” is a huge understatement.
I assume you mean Usyk with “cheaty belly”?
Which pretty much confirms you’re just a hater. Makes sense now..
Why didn’t Usyk try a kickboxing match? Why should he?
He has zero reason to move to kickboxing.
Rico and the MMA guys are the ones who want the payday. If you want the payday, do what you're fking told..
That's it, this only a boxing match only in name, primarily this is a business transaction.
Whether we like it or not, all the big money crossover fights have been with MMA fighters/YouTubers crossing over to boxing.
Nurmagomedov vs. McGregor was a real MMA fight and sold $180 million buys whilst Mayweather v McGregor, a pugilistic farce in comparison, sold $410 million buys.
And as much as we'd like to see the likes of Mayweather go into the Octagon, it's not going to happen.
The outcome would be a foregone conclusion.
Even a true crossover experiment, a mixture of boxing v wrestling, when Muhammad Ali took on Japanese wrestling star Antonio Inoki in 1976, almost ended in disaster for the greatest.
In a pure wrestling match, even the legendary Ali would have had no chance. In fact his legs barely survived that fight.
However, the causal social media fight crowd aren't interested in any such quibbles, they don't have the time or interest for any of that, and will no doubt will be watching in great numers come next Saturday.
Who knows, it might even be entertaining in itself, if entertainment is what you're after.
It just won't be a serious boxing match. How could it be?
The closest we came to seeing an accident was when Ngannou dropped Fury early on in their encounter.
Not too long afterwards Anthony Joshua demonstrated the gulf that exists between different disciplines by demolishing Ngannou.
Had it been in the Octagon, Ngannou would obviously have won but he wouldn't have been paid as nearly as much.
You don't have any sources, because if you would have had, you wouldn't be able to write such nonsense.fifth_root wrote: ↑16 May 2026, 09:02Oh, so you are the official speaker of "credible sources"? This approach is so typical, combined with another cliche - "hater". Why would I be a hater by stating facts? Did I say Usyk is a *hitty boxer? Am I obliged to like/love somebody? In that sense, you don't sound very positive towards me, without even knowing me.Sendo Takeshi wrote: ↑16 May 2026, 06:54There isn’t a single credible source that wouldn’t agree Rico is one of the greatest heavyweight kickboxers of all time.fifth_root wrote: ↑15 May 2026, 14:21 First, this is by far the worst and most disgraceful titles defense, because although a very good kickboxer (and definitely not among the greatest), he is not a boxer and a lot better ones are bypassed by Usyk. Second, Tommy Morrison was not praised as highly as the tricky cheaty belly.
Why didn't Usyk try a kickboxing match instead? Or agree on one boxing, and one kickboxing?
Calling him just “a very good kickboxer (and definitely not among the greatest)” is a huge understatement.
I assume you mean Usyk with “cheaty belly”?
Which pretty much confirms you’re just a hater. Makes sense now..
Why didn’t Usyk try a kickboxing match? Why should he?
He has zero reason to move to kickboxing.
Rico and the MMA guys are the ones who want the payday. If you want the payday, do what you're fking told..
Keep trying to reason how this is not the poorest defence move in boxing's history if that calms you. I have a bad surprise for you - some people agree, and you can't do anything to change it.
There is absolutely no way possible that it's true that Rico has received higher offers than what he's going to make for this fight.881073 wrote: ↑20 May 2026, 08:12You don't have any sources, because if you would have had, you wouldn't be able to write such nonsense.fifth_root wrote: ↑16 May 2026, 09:02Oh, so you are the official speaker of "credible sources"? This approach is so typical, combined with another cliche - "hater". Why would I be a hater by stating facts? Did I say Usyk is a *hitty boxer? Am I obliged to like/love somebody? In that sense, you don't sound very positive towards me, without even knowing me.Sendo Takeshi wrote: ↑16 May 2026, 06:54
There isn’t a single credible source that wouldn’t agree Rico is one of the greatest heavyweight kickboxers of all time.
Calling him just “a very good kickboxer (and definitely not among the greatest)” is a huge understatement.
I assume you mean Usyk with “cheaty belly”?
Which pretty much confirms you’re just a hater. Makes sense now..
Why didn’t Usyk try a kickboxing match? Why should he?
He has zero reason to move to kickboxing.
Rico and the MMA guys are the ones who want the payday. If you want the payday, do what you're fking told..
Keep trying to reason how this is not the poorest defence move in boxing's history if that calms you. I have a bad surprise for you - some people agree, and you can't do anything to change it.
You're not stating facts, you stated "First, this is by far the worst and most disgraceful titles defense", that's obviously completely wrong, Rico is simply by far the best competition out there by far at this very moment.
Then you state "because although a very good kickboxer (and definitely not among the greatest), he is not a boxer and a lot better ones are bypassed by Usyk", well first of all Rico is by fer the best super heavyweight kickboxer in the history of the sport. The longest undefeated streak as far as I know is about 3 years. Rico did that and stayed undefeated for another decade on top of that, such a thing has never happened in the history of the sport, especially not at Super heavyweight, a class boxers don't even have at all.
You then write "Second, Tommy Morrison was not praised as highly as the tricky cheaty belly.
Why didn't Usyk try a kickboxing match instead? Or agree on one boxing, and one kickboxing?"
I don't know what Tommy Morrison has to do with anything, essentially the whole text doesn't make any sense at all, it looks like a drunk men talking.
As far as I know, there has never, in the entire history of the sport of boxing, a heavyweight boxer who made it to the second round in a kickboxing match against any kickboxer and I would love to be proven wrong about that. Not just against Rico, but against any decent active kickboxer at all. What on earth makes you think a blown up cruiserweight would be able to do that against the undisputed super heavyweight world champion?
Kickboxers joining boxing on the other hand, very often become world champions, those are actual facts. Usyk is just another example of that, he has kickboxed as well.
You then write "Rico and the MMA guys are the ones who want the payday. If you want the payday, do what you're fking told.."
First of all, that's not true, Rico has received higher offers, he just wants legacy and sees an opportunity to win a world title.
You can cry all day every day pretty much exactly like you're doing right now and for quite a while now, but the fact remains that Rico has been very patient and already said ages ago that he planned to stop defending his kickboxing super heavyweight world title after he did that for 10 years. His choice is a very logical choice. He might fight Kabayel or whatever afterwards. That's assuming Kabayel even wants that at all, Kabayel knows Rico and most likely wants none of him. He probably rather go's for more easy opponents like Dubois, AJ, name them.