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Posted: 07 Sep 2005, 12:42
by hitman_hatton1
nickd wrote:The sooner the better I'm all Hatton'ed out at the moment.
yeah we can debate this till were blue in the face.
until those courts decide either way were just going round in circles.
i hear team hatton will make an announcement on the maussa fight early next week.
Posted: 07 Sep 2005, 13:54
by silkov
I think TeaM Hatton has made a mistake trying to ditch Alleged... he could be looking at a lengthy lay off and with his weight gaining habits that could have dire consequences.
Posted: 08 Sep 2005, 05:42
by boxingchat
KO Atrist wrote:jamesmcdonnell wrote:boxingchat wrote:
Why exactly. you bias is obvious.
What fornicating bias? Do I work for Hatton...nope. Do I work for Warren, no.
I see it objectively. Warren has invested in Hatton, made money, and got him where he wanted on terms that suited him.
Hatton has done very nicely, and I have it on what I consider pretty good authority that some of the fights which fell through mentioning no specifics, fell through because of Hatton's demands, not Warrens.
I don't accept the spiel that promoters are always to blame, far from it.
However. I'm sure Warren has also done very nicely out of Hatton, and without getting his brains bashed in too.
If Ricky is indeed a free agent, the courts will uphold his right to pursue his career with whosoever he wishes, after all, he's not an indentured worker.
If however, Warren DOES have a watertight agreement, the courts will undoubtedly tell the Hattons that they either have to pay him off to get out of contract or stay put.
I have it on very good authority that what Warren refers to as an agreement is not binding in any way shape or form
Whose your good authority....A high Court judge or a carpet salesman?
Posted: 08 Sep 2005, 05:44
by boxingchat
states wrote:Was it the Hutchinson fight, up in Newcastle, where Hatton climbed the ropes at the end and shouted "You're fornicating next" to Junior? Or have I imagined that?
Spot on....another Hatton fantasy, fact is he don't want Witter baked or fried.
Posted: 08 Sep 2005, 05:46
by boxingchat
DG. wrote:Ding_Ding wrote:I think that Hatton would be more worried about being thrown in with the likes of Mayweather that Witter
But would fwan be able to pay Mayweather?. NO!
He could pay Witter and possibly see Hattin knocked out?.
Does Mayweather earn more tnhan Tyson then (twice)? No
Posted: 08 Sep 2005, 06:07
by Max Molyneux
Mayweather would never earn as much as Tyson could.
Posted: 08 Sep 2005, 06:19
by jamesmcdonnell
MightyWarrior wrote:nickd wrote:
That sixth round against Gatti was something else.
Will try and upload it to give some of you a look that might not have seen it.
Yeah, watching that sixth round brought back memories of a prime Sugar Ray Leonard - awesome.
Bingo! It was uncanny at times. Cannot remember the last time I saw a fighter sit in the pocket like that and rattle of such sizzling combinations.
Like Leonard, Mayweather isn't classed a puncher, but tough men wilt under the assault.
Posted: 08 Sep 2005, 06:27
by nickd
jamesmcdonnell wrote:MightyWarrior wrote:nickd wrote:
That sixth round against Gatti was something else.
Will try and upload it to give some of you a look that might not have seen it.
Yeah, watching that sixth round brought back memories of a prime Sugar Ray Leonard - awesome.
Bingo! It was uncanny at times. Cannot remember the last time I saw a fighter sit in the pocket like that and rattle of such sizzling combinations.
Like Leonard, Mayweather isn't classed a puncher, but tough men wilt under the assault.
He's no 1 punch puncher thats for sure, but if he rattles off 3 or 4 shots in your face in a couple of seconds you soon know about it!!
One body shot in particular at the end of a combo nearly sliced Gatti in half.
Posted: 08 Sep 2005, 07:18
by silkov
He's definately the best p4p in boxing today... I just hope he doesn't blow it all outside the ring. He seems to have the knack of getting himself into trouble...... :x
Posted: 08 Sep 2005, 08:33
by Phenomenal-Nutrition
I don't think Warren stands much chance of blocking Hatton fights - he'd need some serious proofs of contract to do that and WELL he doesn't
Posted: 08 Sep 2005, 08:57
by KO Artist
boxingchat wrote:KO Atrist wrote:jamesmcdonnell wrote:
What fornicating bias? Do I work for Hatton...nope. Do I work for Warren, no.
I see it objectively. Warren has invested in Hatton, made money, and got him where he wanted on terms that suited him.
Hatton has done very nicely, and I have it on what I consider pretty good authority that some of the fights which fell through mentioning no specifics, fell through because of Hatton's demands, not Warrens.
I don't accept the spiel that promoters are always to blame, far from it.
However. I'm sure Warren has also done very nicely out of Hatton, and without getting his brains bashed in too.
If Ricky is indeed a free agent, the courts will uphold his right to pursue his career with whosoever he wishes, after all, he's not an indentured worker.
If however, Warren DOES have a watertight agreement, the courts will undoubtedly tell the Hattons that they either have to pay him off to get out of contract or stay put.
I have it on very good authority that what Warren refers to as an agreement is not binding in any way shape or form
Whose your good authority....A high Court judge or a carpet salesman?
A lawyer
Posted: 08 Sep 2005, 09:12
by silkov
I can't see Warren going to all this trouble if he didn't think he could get a result in the courts. Remember Warren is an old hand at this sort of thing.
And Ricky certainly hasn't broken from Warren so he can get the big fights has he?... Maussa is just a tough club fighter!
...and Sheffeild is hardly Lasvegas or Madison Square Garden is it???. And all this from a guy who only has another 3 fights left in him? :x .
Posted: 08 Sep 2005, 09:30
by steve689
To listen to the interview after the Vince Phillips fight it appeared Witter-Hatton was cut and dried, even Adam Smith was goading Warren into making the fight.
I personally think Hatton is well wary of Witter, that's not scared but wary, he knows he has nothing much to gain by beating Witter but a lot to lose. Shouting "your next" while pumped up straight after a fight is one thing but sitting down and making the fight is another.
Posted: 08 Sep 2005, 09:31
by Phenomenal-Nutrition
silkov wrote:I can't see Warren going to all this trouble if he didn't think he could get a result in the courts. Remember Warren is an old hand at this sort of thing.
And Ricky certainly hasn't broken from Warren so he can get the big fights has he?... Maussa is just a tough club fighter!
...and Sheffeild is hardly Lasvegas or Madison Square Garden is it???. And all this from a guy who only has another 3 fights left in him? :x .
Yes he would - so the share price in SN doesnt drop
Posted: 08 Sep 2005, 09:58
by silkov
Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:silkov wrote:I can't see Warren going to all this trouble if he didn't think he could get a result in the courts. Remember Warren is an old hand at this sort of thing.
And Ricky certainly hasn't broken from Warren so he can get the big fights has he?... Maussa is just a tough club fighter!
...and Sheffeild is hardly Lasvegas or Madison Square Garden is it???. And all this from a guy who only has another 3 fights left in him? :x .
Yes he would - so the share price in SN doesnt drop
But what will that gain?... if the court case doesn't go anywhere then the share prices would drop then won't they... he'd only be delaying it and probably running up legal costs as well. He must think that he has a case otherwise he wouldn't be doing this imo.
Hattons fathers statement that he threw away that letter from Warren without informing Ricky of its contents hardly seems to be sound practise to me. If you recive such a letter and do not challenge it at the time then the inference must be that you have accepted its contents.
I don't say this as a supporter of ALLEGED because I'm not but it seems to me that Hattons team are biting off more than they think.
Posted: 08 Sep 2005, 10:34
by jamesmcdonnell
silkov wrote:I can't see Warren going to all this trouble if he didn't think he could get a result in the courts. Remember Warren is an old hand at this sort of thing.
And Ricky certainly hasn't broken from Warren so he can get the big fights has he?... Maussa is just a tough club fighter!
...and Sheffeild is hardly Lasvegas or Madison Square Garden is it???. And all this from a guy who only has another 3 fights left in him? :x .
Hmm, I seem to recall Warren having a rather unpleasant experience in court when Don King took him for 12 million.
Bringing a case is one thing, winning it another.
Posted: 08 Sep 2005, 11:00
by dondada
silkov wrote:I can't see Warren going to all this trouble if he didn't think he could get a result in the courts. Remember Warren is an old hand at this sort of thing.
And Ricky certainly hasn't broken from Warren so he can get the big fights has he?... Maussa is just a tough club fighter!
...and Sheffeild is hardly Lasvegas or Madison Square Garden is it???. And all this from a guy who only has another 3 fights left in him? :x .
First sentence - could be desperation.
Second - yes he is, you're right - but see James' post.
Third - he's a club fighter with a WBA belt...it's Ricky's second most significant fight
Fourth - Sheffield has a lot in common with Vegas. Come out of the Hallam Arena, turn left on to Attercliffe Road and there are several strip joints and whorehouses.
Posted: 08 Sep 2005, 11:06
by KO Artist
jamesmcdonnell wrote:silkov wrote:I can't see Warren going to all this trouble if he didn't think he could get a result in the courts. Remember Warren is an old hand at this sort of thing.
And Ricky certainly hasn't broken from Warren so he can get the big fights has he?... Maussa is just a tough club fighter!
...and Sheffeild is hardly Lasvegas or Madison Square Garden is it???. And all this from a guy who only has another 3 fights left in him? :x .
Hmm, I seem to recall Warren having a rather unpleasant experience in court when Don King took him for 12 million.
Bringing a case is one thing, winning it another.
Yes and that was a counterclaim by king
Posted: 08 Sep 2005, 12:20
by boxingchat
jamesmcdonnell wrote:silkov wrote:I can't see Warren going to all this trouble if he didn't think he could get a result in the courts. Remember Warren is an old hand at this sort of thing.
And Ricky certainly hasn't broken from Warren so he can get the big fights has he?... Maussa is just a tough club fighter!
...and Sheffeild is hardly Lasvegas or Madison Square Garden is it???. And all this from a guy who only has another 3 fights left in him? :x .
Hmm, I seem to recall Warren having a rather unpleasant experience in court when Don King took him for 12 million.
Bringing a case is one thing, winning it another.
Get your facts right and do your research. Warren settled King did not take him, as in win any case. Still, granted, $12M is $12M I suppose. Still I suppose if you had been around longer than five minutes you would have known that.
Posted: 08 Sep 2005, 12:21
by boxingchat
KO Atrist wrote:jamesmcdonnell wrote:silkov wrote:I can't see Warren going to all this trouble if he didn't think he could get a result in the courts. Remember Warren is an old hand at this sort of thing.
And Ricky certainly hasn't broken from Warren so he can get the big fights has he?... Maussa is just a tough club fighter!
...and Sheffeild is hardly Lasvegas or Madison Square Garden is it???. And all this from a guy who only has another 3 fights left in him? :x .
Hmm, I seem to recall Warren having a rather unpleasant experience in court when Don King took him for 12 million.
Bringing a case is one thing, winning it another.
Yes and that was a counterclaim by king
Are you sure you are right.....about anything?
Posted: 08 Sep 2005, 12:49
by hitman_hatton1
Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:silkov wrote:I can't see Warren going to all this trouble if he didn't think he could get a result in the courts. Remember Warren is an old hand at this sort of thing.
And Ricky certainly hasn't broken from Warren so he can get the big fights has he?... Maussa is just a tough club fighter!
...and Sheffeild is hardly Lasvegas or Madison Square Garden is it???. And all this from a guy who only has another 3 fights left in him? :x .
First sentence - could be desperation.
Second - yes he is, you're right - but see James' post.
Third - he's a club fighter with a WBA belt...it's Ricky's second most significant fight
Fourth - Sheffield has a lot in common with Vegas. Come out of the Hallam Arena, turn left on to Attercliffe Road and there are several strip joints and whorehouses.
if maussa can't do much of anything, he can punch. he's scored 17 ko's in 19 wins.
i personally think he has the toughness to maybe take hatton to points in a sort of awkward carlos wilches stylee.
a british boxer hasn't held a wba world title since 1990.
bring on carlos maussa for his beating.
Posted: 08 Sep 2005, 14:40
by silkov
I remember Billy Graham saying after Maussa won his 'title' that he wouldn't be a suitable oppoent for Ricky... ie not good enough!.
He's hardly Mayweather or Cotto or..... Witter is he?.
But then thats the idea I suppose!...
Posted: 08 Sep 2005, 15:44
by Max Molyneux
hitman_hatton1 wrote:Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:silkov wrote:I can't see Warren going to all this trouble if he didn't think he could get a result in the courts. Remember Warren is an old hand at this sort of thing.
And Ricky certainly hasn't broken from Warren so he can get the big fights has he?... Maussa is just a tough club fighter!
...and Sheffeild is hardly Lasvegas or Madison Square Garden is it???. And all this from a guy who only has another 3 fights left in him? :x .
First sentence - could be desperation.
Second - yes he is, you're right - but see James' post.
Third - he's a club fighter with a WBA belt...it's Ricky's second most significant fight
Fourth - Sheffield has a lot in common with Vegas. Come out of the Hallam Arena, turn left on to Attercliffe Road and there are several strip joints and whorehouses.
if maussa can't do much of anything, he can punch. he's scored 17 ko's in 19 wins.
i personally think he has the toughness to maybe take hatton to points in a sort of awkward carlos wilches stylee.
a british boxer hasn't held a wba world title since 1990.
bring on carlos maussa for his beating.
Since 1999 actually.
According to the Hatton's, he became a free agent after the Olivera fight? So He was a free agent for the Tszyu fight then?
Posted: 08 Sep 2005, 19:04
by states
boxingchat wrote:jamesmcdonnell wrote:silkov wrote:I can't see Warren going to all this trouble if he didn't think he could get a result in the courts. Remember Warren is an old hand at this sort of thing.
And Ricky certainly hasn't broken from Warren so he can get the big fights has he?... Maussa is just a tough club fighter!
...and Sheffeild is hardly Lasvegas or Madison Square Garden is it???. And all this from a guy who only has another 3 fights left in him? :x .
Hmm, I seem to recall Warren having a rather unpleasant experience in court when Don King took him for 12 million.
Bringing a case is one thing, winning it another.
Get your facts right and do your research. Warren settled King did not take him, as in win any case. Still, granted, $12M is $12M I suppose. Still I suppose if you had been around longer than five minutes you would have known that.
For fucks sake mate, give it a rest. End of the day, Don got 12 million from Frank. Hence the phrase 'Don King took him for 12 million'. And, as we stand, Frank has brought a case against the Hatton's. He hasn't won one yet. Hence the phrase 'Bringing a case is one thing, winning it another'. Seriously, this shit is tired. Obviously none of us here know all the facts, because neither allegedly nor the Hatton family phone us and tell us the details, so we speculate. We all know it's speculation, so unless you're prepared to tell us all the facts and put us all in the right, could you stop saying we're all talking bullshit when some of us happen to disagree with you? It's not like you've given anyone any proof that your opinion is total, 100% fact, is it?
Posted: 08 Sep 2005, 20:57
by celticwarrior
Where will Billy Graham's loyalties lie on all this? I'm guessing with Hatton as he's bound to be closer to Ricky on a personal level. Also some of the other guys he trains are no longer with SN, i.e. Matthew Hatton, Matthew Macklin and the guys that are don't have Ricky's talent.