MMA

[TerribleTerry]

Feeding your latent addiction to MMA :)

- article on Bisping (written by Ant Evans from secondsout)

http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=news.detail&gid=3663

Vote for Bisping! BBC sports personality of the year!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tv_and_ ... 080190.stm

Great idea on the Bisping for sports personality theme! That would be well funny if he won.

Anyone remember that bizarre internet campaign to get the now deceased Fashineau to win it?..

[TerribleTerry]

Feeding your latent addiction to MMA :)

- article on Bisping (written by Ant Evans from secondsout)

http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=news.detail&gid=3663

Vote for Bisping! BBC sports personality of the year!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tv_and_ ... 080190.stm

Great idea on the Bisping for sports personality theme! That would be well funny if he won.

Anyone remember that bizarre internet campaign to get the now deceased Fashineau to win it?..

On the subject of UFC.com they pulled a master stroke getting Thomas Gerbasi to write for the site - it has made it an excellent source of MMA articles (obvioulsy focusing on the current UFC rostrum of fighters.)

[nickd]

There is no way the BBC would allow an MMA fighter to win the award even if he got more votes. Not that he would get more than some of the more mainstream sports people anyway.

[TerribleTerry]

Bisping is due to fight on the next Ultimate Fight Night - the season 4 finale. November 11th I believe.

Bisping is off the show which is a real shame - visa problems are being given as the reason.

For those getting into MMA, here is a highlight of Brazilian fighting team Chute Boxe - the undisputed world champs of the head stomp/soccer kick (brutal but compelling.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpAbJSmFSYQ

[nickd]

Bisping is due to fight on the next Ultimate Fight Night - the season 4 finale. November 11th I believe.

Bisping is off the show which is a real shame - visa problems are being given as the reason.

For those getting into MMA, here is a highlight of Brazilian fighting team Chute Boxe - the undisputed world champs of the head stomp/football kick (brutal but compelling.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpAbJSmFSYQ

Yeah I saw that I expect he will be added to the December UFN or the December PPV.

[TerribleTerry]

Bisping is due to fight on the next Ultimate Fight Night - the season 4 finale. November 11th I believe.

Bisping is off the show which is a real shame - visa problems are being given as the reason.

For those getting into MMA, here is a highlight of Brazilian fighting team Chute Boxe - the undisputed world champs of the head stomp/football kick (brutal but compelling.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpAbJSmFSYQ

Yeah I saw that I expect he will be added to the December UFN or the December PPV.

I am hoping that he will debut on the Liddel v Ortiz 2 card at New Year - I have got tickets and will be in Sin City for it... C'mon!

[ebeneezer]

Chalk Kevin Randleman down as another one caught roiding on PRIDE's American show a few weeks back.

He used someone else's urine to attempt to bluff his way through the drug test and is look at a fine and suspension.

It's funny that everyone who used steroids on that show (Vitor, Naustrula and Randleman) all were beaten.

[nickd]

Chalk Kevin Randleman down as another one caught roiding on PRIDE's American show a few weeks back.

He used someone else's urine to attempt to bluff his way through the drug test and is look at a fine and suspension.

It's funny that everyone who used steroids on that show (Vitor, Naustrula and Randleman) all were beaten.

Actually not quite correct, what he used was either non human urine or a dead humans urine according to the statement released.

Good work!!

[TerribleTerry]

Chalk Kevin Randleman down as another one caught roiding on PRIDE's American show a few weeks back.

He used someone else's urine to attempt to bluff his way through the drug test and is look at a fine and suspension.

It's funny that everyone who used steroids on that show (Vitor, Naustrula and Randleman) all were beaten.

Actually not quite correct, what he used was either non human urine or a dead humans urine according to the statement released.

Good work!!

Its a weird one isnt it?

If he extracted urine from a corpse I think there would be further charges to answer...more likely some sort of animal, or synthetic 'fake' urine.

I think we all know that Randleman has been juicing for years.

Infact that whole of Hammer House - Coleman, Randleman and Simms have been caught out at one time or another havent they?

Gear is rife in MMA. It could become an achillies heel of the sport.

[ebeneezer]

Steroids are rife in practically every top level sport nowadays.

Track and field, powerlifting, American football, boxing you name it.

I think juicing is more common in mma companies in Japan than in America.
They don't do serious steroid testing in the big organizations over there. Look at Sapp and Lebanner.

In the UFC they at least have a legit drug testing policy and follow it through. Look at the case with Josh Barnett a few years ago where they suspended him after a positive test even though he was their current heavyweight champion. Same happened to Tim Sylvia.

[TerribleTerry]

Steroids are rife in practically every top level sport nowadays.

Track and field, powerlifting, American football, boxing you name it.

I think juicing is more common in mma companies in Japan than in America.
They don't do serious steroid testing in the big organizations over there. Look at Sapp and Lebanner.

In the UFC they at least have a legit drug testing policy and follow it through. Look at the case with Josh Barnett a few years ago where they suspended him after a positive test even though he was their current heavyweight champion. Same happened to Tim Sylvia.

True. And recently Bonnar flunked his test too.

UFC are far more on top of the problem then say Pride or K1 (thanks in most part to the rigourous demands of the Nevada State Athletic Commision) Whereas the Jap organisations are under no such pressure.

What is quite heartwarming is that steriods dont appear to be an absolute recipe for success; as someone pointed out those how tested positive on the Pride show all lost their matches!

[nickd]

Steroids are rife in practically every top level sport nowadays.

Track and field, powerlifting, American football, boxing you name it.

I think juicing is more common in mma companies in Japan than in America.
They don't do serious steroid testing in the big organizations over there. Look at Sapp and Lebanner.

In the UFC they at least have a legit drug testing policy and follow it through. Look at the case with Josh Barnett a few years ago where they suspended him after a positive test even though he was their current heavyweight champion. Same happened to Tim Sylvia.

True. And recently Bonnar flunked his test too.

UFC are far more on top of the problem then say Pride or K1 (thanks in most part to the rigourous demands of the Nevada State Athletic Commision) Whereas the Jap organisations are under no such pressure.

What is quite heartwarming is that steriods dont appear to be an absolute recipe for success; as someone pointed out those how tested positive on the Pride show all lost their matches!

Bonnar got 9 months, and he admitted to using them knowingly. Hardly much of a deterrent is it?

[liamlion]

Has anybody seen that Michael Bisping will not be fighting this weekend on the UFC's Ultimate Fighter Season 4 finale? Gutted. Apparently the UFC are citing visa problems.

I genuinely get the sense that the UFC are fuking Bisping over. That deaf fella, Matt Hamill was clearly given the big-un on the Ultimate Fighter season 3. And since the third series finale Hamill has already been taken under the wing of UFC favourite Tito Ortiz and has also fought on a show - yet Bisping is still waiting to fight despite there having been loads of major shows since.

I wouldnt be surprised if Bisping's six-figure contract with the UFC gets cancelled somewhere along the line.

[TerribleTerry]

Has anybody seen that Michael Bisping will not be fighting this weekend on the UFC's Ultimate Fighter Season 4 finale? Gutted. Apparently the UFC are citing visa problems.

I genuinely get the sense that the UFC are fuking Bisping over. That deaf fella, Matt Hamill was clearly given the big-un on the Ultimate Fighter season 3. And since the third series finale Hamill has already fought yet Bisping is still waiting despite there having been loads of major shows since.

I wouldnt be surprised if Bisping's six-figure contract with the UFC got cancelled somewhere along the line.

I dont share your fears on this one. Bisping is an exciting fighter with good prospects; a hard striker with a proficient ground game. The UFC definitly see him in their future.

Hamil, for all his strength and wrasslin skills is dreadful in all other areas. He will take a king sized beat down in the near future and fade from view IMO.

UFC are looking to make in roads ino UK/Europe in the next 12 months. The Count is the perfect fighter to ''spearhead' any such show.

[nickd]

Bisping would destroy Hamill no doubt about it.

Bisping will definitely feature for UFC, who's to say he's been ready for a fight? He'll appear on a card soon. And they plan to spearhead their UK shows with him on.

[ebeneezer]

Has anybody seen that Michael Bisping will not be fighting this weekend on the UFC's Ultimate Fighter Season 4 finale? Gutted. Apparently the UFC are citing visa problems.

I genuinely get the sense that the UFC are fuking Bisping over. That deaf fella, Matt Hamill was clearly given the big-un on the Ultimate Fighter season 3. And since the third series finale Hamill has already been taken under the wing of UFC favourite Tito Ortiz and has also fought on a show - yet Bisping is still waiting to fight despite there having been loads of major shows since.

I wouldnt be surprised if Bisping's six-figure contract with the UFC gets cancelled somewhere along the line.

Not at all.

Ian Freeman, Mark Weir and Lee Murray all had visa problems at various points as well when they were supposed to fight on a some UFC bills in America.

I agree with Terry that Hamil will never ammount to much. He was seriously concussed in his fight with Mike Nickles even though Nickles hardly landed many meaningful shots.
I shudder to think what would have happened to him if he went up against Bisping.

Speaking of people from the Ultimate Fighter season 4 who won't ammount to much - Am I the only one who got a kick out of seeing Ed Herman getting dominated and submitted by a bloke who the matchmakers thought he would have an easy time with?
After weeks of watching Herman swaggering about the house whining about Tito not picking him and talking about he great he was, seeing him get humiliated like that really put a smile on my face.

[liamlion]

I totally agree that Hamill, although being very strong and a great wrestler is a very limited submission/ground fighter who also has limited strikes - and is definitely no where near the all-round fighting ability of Bisping.

Im in total agreement that I dont think Hamill will make any waves in the sport, however that doesnt change the fact that Hamill was being built up big-time on the Ultimate Fighter series 3 - admittedly I got the sense he was being built-up not so much for his stand-out ability, but probably because he was the only American who could out muscle (in terms of grappling) the Brit foreigner.

I wasnt aware that Ian Freeman, Mark Weir and Lee Murray had, had visa problems - so lets hope that Bisping's delay is down to this. However for an organisation the size of the UFC, such a problem seems very bizarre.

I take the point that Bisping does have a future with the organisation, I read an interview with Bisping the other day and he did mention that he was being lined up as potential 'poster-boy' for the UFC's assault on the UK.

Also didnt Anderson Silva make a real mess of Rich Franklin's nose. Brutal.

[Tony Lumb]

I totally agree that Hamill, although being very strong and a great wrestler is a very limited submission/ground fighter who also has limited strikes - and is definitely no where near the all-round fighting ability of Bisping.

Im in total agreement that I dont think Hamill will make any waves in the sport, however that doesnt change the fact that Hamill was being built up big-time on the Ultimate Fighter series 3 - admittedly I got the sense he was being built-up not so much for his stand-out ability, but probably because he was the only American who could out muscle (in terms of grappling) the Brit foreigner.

I wasnt aware that Ian Freeman, Mark Weir and Lee Murray had, had visa problems - so lets hope that Bisping's delay is down to this. However for an organisation the size of the UFC, such a problem seems very bizarre.

I take the point that Bisping does have a future with the organisation, I read an interview with Bisping the other day and he did mention that he was being lined up as potential 'poster-boy' for the UFC's assault on the UK.

Also didnt Anderson Silva make a real mess of Rich Franklin's nose. Brutal.

Anyone catch UFC 66 at the weekend? It was a great card, one of the est of the year.

Georges St Pierre jumped right up to the top of the P4P rankings with his display against Matt Hughes, he just schooled him.
They're also advertising Bisping for the December show.

[nickd]

GSP was outstanding, great striking. I think Hughes thought too much of his own standup game as he didn't really try to take it to the floor. GSP's leg kicks were stopping him from shooting straight in I think but even when they clinched he didn't really try for a takedown. I was over the moon.

Sylvia is such a negative fighter these days, safety first against Monson just as he was against Arlovski in the third fight.

Was most pleased to see Vera put on such a dominating performance, I think he'd beat Sylvia and may get his shot next.

[Tony Lumb]

GSP was outstanding, great striking. I think Hughes thought too much of his own standup game as he didn't really try to take it to the floor. GSP's leg kicks were stopping him from shooting straight in I think but even when they clinched he didn't really try for a takedown. I was over the moon.

Sylvia is such a negative fighter these days, safety first against Monson just as he was against Arlovski in the third fight.

Was most pleased to see Vera put on such a dominating performance, I think he'd beat Sylvia and may get his shot next.

Hughes said beforehand he was concentrating on his stand up, and when fighters do that they rely on it too much. I think he tried a couple of takedowns but GSP's balance was too good.

Sylvia really is dull, and apparently Vera is next for a title shot. I'd fancy his chances of a knockout.

There was a really good undercard as well, a couple of really good tearups.

[nickd]

GSP was outstanding, great striking. I think Hughes thought too much of his own standup game as he didn't really try to take it to the floor. GSP's leg kicks were stopping him from shooting straight in I think but even when they clinched he didn't really try for a takedown. I was over the moon.

Sylvia is such a negative fighter these days, safety first against Monson just as he was against Arlovski in the third fight.

Was most pleased to see Vera put on such a dominating performance, I think he'd beat Sylvia and may get his shot next.

Hughes said beforehand he was concentrating on his stand up, and when fighters do that they rely on it too much. I think he tried a couple of takedowns but GSP's balance was too good.

Sylvia really is dull, and apparently Vera is next for a title shot. I'd fancy his chances of a knockout.

There was a really good undercard as well, a couple of really good tearups.

Yeah it was the best UFC card in a ling time. I seriously hope Vera beats Syliva at least he brings excitement Sylvia is negative.

[ebeneezer]

Hughes arms are too short and stubby to be a really good stand up striker.


If there is a third fight between him and Georges next year I can't see the result being much different.
Georges was winning their first fight until he made a silly mistake and got armbarred.

The fight with Mir and Vera wasn't suprising.
Mir had shown a shaky chin years ago when Ian Freeman mullered him and showed dreadful stamina in his rematch with Wes Sims.
When he came back after that motorcycle accident he got hammered by a non punching Brazilian.

If the UFC are planning on running more shows in the future they need to put their hands in their pockets and fork out for some top level heavyweights like Josh Barnett,Nogueria or Fedor.

The current heavyweight divison with Tim Slothia at the helm is box office poison.

[nickd]

Vera is getting the big buildup, apparently he'll get a crack at Sylvia at UFC 68. Vera is too well rounded for Sylvia IMO and will beat the sasquatch.

[Tony Lumb]

Dana White always says its better to lose a good fight than win a dull one, I think he's none too happy with Sylvia.

UFC ar eplanning up to 5 events in the UJ next year, I'm planning on attending one of the shows next year, probably in London

[Kilburn]

Sylvia was very disappointing, he looked like he could have opened up and taken Monson out if he'd been willing to chance it. Monson didn't even look all that dangerous on the ground anyway.

St Pierre was awesome, absolutely awesome.

Agree about Vera, he looks like a natural champion. Athletic skills with a nasty streak.