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Posted: 17 Mar 2008, 16:23
by ebeneezer
bennie wrote:Welsh punching bag Gary "The Rocket" Lockett challenges American puncher Kelly "Ghost" Pavlik for the WBO and WBC middleweight titles at the legendary Boardwalk Hall in Atlantic City on June 7.
*fixed*

Posted: 18 Mar 2008, 07:32
by ALI
chris_23 wrote:I'm not actually that bothered I will just abuse the f*** out of whoever slags him off in a non sensible manner end of.... if someone says "I'd love to see him do it but I'm afraid he'll get mullered" then fair play thats their opinion but I ain't sitting back and letting someone write "locketts a crybaby" or "locketts a bum".... I don't care how it looks....
Take into consideration that you may actually be doing Gary's rep more harm than good then. Believe me, you are not the first poster to arrive on a boxing forum and rip into anyone and everyone that had something negative/derogitory to be said about their favourite fighter. The best example of this i can give you would be Anthony Farnell's legion of infamous nutthuggers. Negative comments on Farnell were met with barrage's of abuse from his devoted followers, real loonies that just seemed to scower around boxing forums, swords at the ready, looking for any negative Farnell comments. Looking back, i can see that this made me take a personal dislike to Farnell himself. Whenever he fought i cheered the oponent on. Strange as Farnell himself seemed like an honest enough guy.

Food for thought... perhaps?

Posted: 18 Mar 2008, 07:42
by chris_23
ALI wrote:
chris_23 wrote:I'm not actually that bothered I will just abuse the f*** out of whoever slags him off in a non sensible manner end of.... if someone says "I'd love to see him do it but I'm afraid he'll get mullered" then fair play thats their opinion but I ain't sitting back and letting someone write "locketts a crybaby" or "locketts a bum".... I don't care how it looks....
Take into consideration that you may actually be doing Gary's rep more harm than good then. Believe me, you are not the first poster to arrive on a boxing forum and rip into anyone and everyone that had something negative/derogitory to be said about their favourite fighter. The best example of this i can give you would be Anthony Farnell's legion of infamous nutthuggers. Negative comments on Farnell were met with barrage's of abuse from his devoted followers, real loonies that just seemed to scower around boxing forums, swords at the ready, looking for any negative Farnell comments. Looking back, i can see that this made me take a personal dislike to Farnell himself. Whenever he fought i cheered the oponent on. Strange as Farnell himself seemed like an honest enough guy.

Food for thought... perhaps?
Definately food for thought!! I think I make it quite clear where my posts are directed and they are certainly not directed 'mindlessly' at people who don't think he'll win. If someone says "he's not good enough" I don't think you'll find a post from me calling them silly but what I am not going to sit back at watch is people write genuinly nasty stuff i.e wanting him to get hurt or making really unnecessarily abusive comments.

I would point you towards the other thread called "Lockett Q&A" as an immediate example and a couple of posts above on this thread where people are just being daft.

I know what you mean re Farnell but those people (not sure about AF himself) actually believed he was the world champion with the WBU belt (if I recall) whereas Gary is far from that deluded..

I've actually had quite a few PM's saying to pass on good wishes to Gary and I'm enjoying the chats I've been having and its certainly not my intention to just barrack anyone who isn't saying "Locketts going to win" and I don't think I've done that.

Garys not daft he knows this is a tough job but there isn't any point him walking into the ring and lying down and he is in with a shout...

Trust me he's the nicest guy in the world and if you either saw him interviewed or met him in person you'd find it hard not to like the guy...

Completely take your point though mate...

Posted: 18 Mar 2008, 08:01
by chris_23
"Go Rocko alright"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHkMcr2dIWQ

watch this LOL :D

Posted: 18 Mar 2008, 08:14
by Goz
Lockett is a big underdog, nothing wrong with wanting him to win.

Some boxing fans seem to miss the point of sport. Often it's about cheering on your man or team despite them being obviously inferior.

Why should everyone just want Pavlik to win because he's better than Lockett or Mayweather to beat Hatton because he's better?

What is actually wrong with cheering on your fellow countryman?

Posted: 18 Mar 2008, 08:51
by scrap iron
What's Lockett's chin like?
I saw him get wobbled in the last round against Tsarenko and I seem to remember him getting hurt in the Rhodes fight, but can't remember if he was knocked down or not. Has anyone legimately put him over?
Lockett probably hits harder then John Duddy, but is his chin as good as Duddy's?

Posted: 18 Mar 2008, 09:01
by chris_23
search wrote:This is hilarious.

Lockett getting a shot at Pavlik is completely hilarious and he will go out there and embarrass himself and his country by getting completely mullered. Pavlik is no mug and will probably have Lockett out of there in 30 seconds.

Locket was beaten by Monaghan for christs sake and then he starts complaining after the unfair stoppage in the second fight "You people never give me credit blah blah". cry me a river. Lockett is absolute rubbish on world level and deep down he knows this himself. tsarenko or something (some bum) gave him a hiding a while back I recall.

I love these british fighters who fight garbage to make money and then get exposed. Hatton was smart enough to be exposed on the top level. Lockett was dumb enough to get exposed at domestic level as a distinctively average piece of garbage.

Personally I will enjoy watching him get bombed out against Pavlik.
And as you can see Search has a completely objective view of things. I'd also urge you to read his offerings on the 'Lockett Q&A thread'....

Ps He even thinks Belarus is in Britain.... domestic level? LOL :D

Posted: 18 Mar 2008, 09:22
by ALI
Anyone know a link where we can watch some of Lockett's latest fights?

Maybe you could get some recent clips on YouTube Chris?

Posted: 18 Mar 2008, 09:33
by chris_23
There is absolutely none of his fights on youtube which is bizarre... I think you'll find a couple on allegedly.tv and itv.com though.

I have been saying for ages he should because he's got every single fight recorded.. I'll pester him lol...

Posted: 18 Mar 2008, 09:43
by REAL_DEAL
I have got a few of Gary in the past. Nice lad. Hope he does well but can't see it.

Posted: 18 Mar 2008, 12:53
by andy-boy
He's not a lamb to the slaughter like Elcock was with Abraham, Lockett has immense power which can trouble anyone in the world. This is certainly not cut and dry for Pavlik. Pavliks not Sugar Ray Leonard he's a puncher and certainly no more of a talented boxer than Lockett

Incidentally Lockett was Mcguigans pick as a future star when he won the European Junior title in the early-mid 90's

Call me optimistic but I think Lockett can do this and I for one will be routing for him and screaming at the TV.... good luck Gary we're all behind you!!!!! :box:

Posted: 18 Mar 2008, 13:07
by ebeneezer
andy-boy wrote:Lockett has immense power which can trouble anyone in the world.
Proof?

Posted: 18 Mar 2008, 13:14
by andy-boy
ebeneezer wrote:
andy-boy wrote:Lockett has immense power which can trouble anyone in the world.
Proof?
Kevin Kelly had never been down before, but thats been said earlier in the thread.

It isn't an exact science but all if you want proof as his ko's is that they are all one shot ko's in early rounds which is rare

Posted: 18 Mar 2008, 13:27
by ebeneezer
andy-boy wrote:
ebeneezer wrote:
andy-boy wrote:Lockett has immense power which can trouble anyone in the world.
Proof?
Kevin Kelly had never been down before, but thats been said earlier in the thread.

Stopping a guy at the arse end of a ten year career is hardly a measuring stick for "immense" power.

Its hardly the same as knocking out Edison Miranda and stopping Jermaine Taylor in their physical primes.

Being a puncher at domestic level is another world from beng a puncher at the top level.
Look at Ensley Bingham. Looked like he had incredible power at domestic level but couldn't put a dent in Winky Wright when he stepped up despite landing on him flush a couple of times .

Posted: 18 Mar 2008, 13:42
by andy-boy
I don't know about arse end. I think Kelly actually looked really sharp that night (I was there) and was ahead on points when stopped.

I'm not doubting that Pavlik has mixed in better company but I think you can only fight who is put infront of you. People forget what a good amateur he was!!

Lockett was at an unnatural weight at the time too and I think the combination of being in the Calzaghe gym and at the heavier weight has paid dividends.. write him off at your peril!

I'd also say that Lockett is above domestic level. The only one at domestic level I think would have been interesting was Scott Dann and it was a shame what happened to him, don't think he'd peaked when he left the sport so unfortunately.

Posted: 18 Mar 2008, 13:55
by Coco
I think the difference between being a knockout puncher at world level to domestic level is much more about ur ability to land them rather than how hard you hit

Posted: 18 Mar 2008, 14:08
by andy-boy
Coco wrote:I think the difference between being a knockout puncher at world level to domestic level is much more about ur ability to land them rather than how hard you hit
Yeah it stands to reason and thats why he's got a good chance against Pavlik, because Pavlik is tall for a middleweight, standing right in front of him coming forward and is there to be hit! Locketts a counter puncher as much as people want him to be a come forward fighter, he's not.

The guy in Pavliks team, the great Ray Boom Boom Mancini had it right: "styles make fights" and this is perfect. It ain't a chess match this is going to be a slugfest and will be over in 5 rounds. In that 5 rounds its my contention that Lockett has a bloody good realistic chance, more of a chance than Hatton had with Mayweather I think... as much as I love Ricky Hatton.

Posted: 18 Mar 2008, 14:19
by Goz
Can't see it myself. Whilst he might have a decent dig Lockett is way too limited to mix it with Pavlik.

I'll cheer him on but Pavlik is doing this at world class, Lockett hasn't looked very good at domestic class apart from the very rare odd fight.

Posted: 18 Mar 2008, 15:07
by REAL_DEAL
Andy boy that is a ridiculous statement and you will obviously be around the dinner table at Christmas time.

Posted: 18 Mar 2008, 16:00
by andy-boy
REAL_DEAL wrote:Andy boy that is a ridiculous statement and you will obviously be around the dinner table at Christmas time.
The dinner table with whom exactly?

I was waiting for the smart ass patrol of You, Search & Stepinshit to get on my case for daring to be positive LOL

Save it I've read your posts and I think you are full of shit :TU:

Posted: 18 Mar 2008, 16:02
by andy-boy
search wrote:
andy-boy wrote:
Coco wrote:I think the difference between being a knockout puncher at world level to domestic level is much more about ur ability to land them rather than how hard you hit
Yeah it stands to reason and thats why he's got a good chance against Pavlik, because Pavlik is tall for a middleweight, standing right in front of him coming forward and is there to be hit! Locketts a counter puncher as much as people want him to be a come forward fighter, he's not.

The guy in Pavliks team, the great Ray Boom Boom Mancini had it right: "styles make fights" and this is perfect. It ain't a chess match this is going to be a slugfest and will be over in 5 rounds. In that 5 rounds its my contention that Lockett has a bloody good realistic chance, more of a chance than Hatton had with Mayweather I think... as much as I love Ricky Hatton.
:lol:
You are very wise for someone who lost a couple of hundred quid on Hatton Tsyzu and then didn't pay his debt LOL :oops:

Posted: 18 Mar 2008, 17:17
by sweetscience
does anyone other than gary's mates think he can win ?

i think he has a 200/1 shot thats about it

Posted: 18 Mar 2008, 19:00
by andy-boy
sweetscience wrote:does anyone other than gary's mates think he can win ?

i think he has a 200/1 shot thats about it
I'm sorry mate but you've got it wrong I'm not Locketts mate I'm a Scott Dann fan but I've always liked big hitters, which Lockett is..

Good luck to him I say - whats with all the attitude from everyone on this forum? I've only just joined and its crap - no atmosphere!!

Posted: 18 Mar 2008, 19:01
by andy-boy
search wrote:"its my contention that Lockett has a bloody good realistic chance, more of a chance than Hatton had with Mayweather I think... as much as I love Ricky Hatton."

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
:oops: Like I said You are very wise for someone who lost a couple of hundred quid on Hatton Tsyzu and then didn't pay his debt LOL

Posted: 18 Mar 2008, 20:35
by StepinFetchit
How come all the Gary Socket Welsh fan-boy choir boys have really g^y names like Coco & Andy-boy?.....i know you Welsh poofs have nothing better to do than top yourselfs and sh^g sheep but get a grip Gary Sockett is going down James Brown....probably face first......damn, i could take Sockett in 1 round, just stick my gloves in a vacum and i would have him gagging like Elton John.