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Terry D wrote:The point that you constantly fail to miss is that there is a marked difference between TKO/KO/DQ/RSF/UD/MD/SD and so on. You even failed to grasp that the WBC is not the WBA in terms of rules and orientation. All I am going on is the terminology of the sport.

Banal, wow, that one must have slipped by me, I assume it must be an apt description of your thought, seeing as it is a substitute for the other word.

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day, even Granmama must have two cuckoos in his nest because he got it right four times, and he is clearly insane.

It is incredibly basic, as you are sub-basic I'll leave you to whoop "KO! F*ck yeah!" every time a fight ends before the allotted rounds limit. Enjoy the evening's pig racing.

I understand that the WBC and WBA have different regulations. That was not my point. I was being sarcastic. Your subpar reading level must have led you to believe otherwise.

I know the difference between a KO and a TKO. I believe I have demonstrated that. I am simply saying that TKO's are recorded as knockouts, and that TKO's are referred to as knockouts, and that I am not the one who created this system and this terminology and neither am I the only one who employs them. In baseball an inside the park homerun is not the same as one hit in the stands, either, but they're both recorded as "homerun"; we know the difference, and do not need a baseball equivalent of Terry D to explain it to us.

You're a snob, and your posts are unimpressive. You seem to think that you are giving me some sort of deeply thought out explanation; when this is basic stuff that we would have all figured out in the first month that we started watching the sport.

I don't watch pig races either, my dear, nor do I "whoop" everytime I see a knockout. Neither did Don Dunphy or Howard Cosell; as far as I know, anyway. But I do know how boxing works, and I suggest you learn it too. Basically, you're saying that because Robinson and Louis and Ali called TKO's "knockouts" that they were idiots and hicks and knew nothing about boxing and didn't understand the difference between knocking someone out for ten seconds and stopping them in another matter; as if they had never done it before. You're saying that every fan who says that Foreman "knocked out" Frazier is not a deep thinker. When in reality what the situation is is that you're a boring person and a mediocre thinker with a very over inflated ego who thinks that he has enlightened us on a point that every fan knows and understands. Meanwhile you're the one who has confused fight results and who suggested that DQ has the same relation to KO as TKO does, which it does not.

Look, if you want the boxing world to change this stuff, start a petition or some other tedious process. That way Ali will have 11 knockouts instead of 37, and we'll all be wiser and more enlightened as a result. But don't single me out for using a terminology that has been in use for over a century, and which all fans and fighters have used.

TheOneIsHere2008 wrote:

granberry wrote:Buzz, the Thomas Hauser regurgitator,

is in his glory as boxrec, the Grovel for Ali "boxing" site he engineers, has a thread now plastered with posts

by buzz' fellow Ali worshippers.

An Ali worshipper sees nothing odd about the fact that their hero supposedly "knocked out" Sonny Liston with a single "punch"

and IN HIS VERY NEXT FIGHT against a sore-backed Floyd Patterson showed he had no punching power at all.

Where did the "magic punch" disappear to so suddenly?

That's not something Ali worshippers worry about, because Thomas Hauser has instructed them that Ali had a titanic win over sore-backed Patterson in that fight.

LOL

I watched that fight again on youtube...Floyd's back didn't hurt him until round ten...Maybe it was because he "threw out his back" by missing Clay (Ali) so much...

Your the "boxing historian".. Did Floyd have a disguise to wear after that fight like he did in the debacles against Sonny Liston ?

As to your suggestion that Sonny tanked the Lewiston fight...Liston was a done fighter by then...Yeah, he went on but he was never again elite...If he got up Ali would have humiliated that slow moving mule... That's why he didn't get up...He was shot...Impotent....No bolt...Whatever....It has nothing to do with Hauser...

Patterson had a back injury prior to this fight and his back had affected
him for some time. I recall reading that it was suggested that he postpone
the fight, but Patterson was eager to regain the title again.

TheOneIsHere2008 wrote: Duran quit...Leonard was making him look stupid...Styles make fights and Duran was made to order for Leonard....

What about the Brawl in Montreal?

Leonard fought Duran's fight to show he had stones...It was a close fight, a lot a lot closer than when Duran was forced to fight Leonard's fight...

Every word is straight out of Thomas Hauser's mouth.

Or is it Bert Sugar?

Or is it Larry Merchant?

LOL

Bert Hauser I think.

granberry wrote:

TheOneIsHere2008 wrote: Duran quit...Leonard was making him look stupid...Styles make fights and Duran was made to order for Leonard....

What about the Brawl in Montreal?

Leonard fought Duran's fight to show he had stones...It was a close fight, a lot a lot closer than when Duran was forced to fight Leonard's fight...

Every word is straight out of Thomas Hauser's mouth.

Or is it Bert Sugar?

Or is it Larry Merchant?

LOL

No the

SCORECARD

Robinson wrote:

TheOneIsHere2008 wrote:

granberry wrote:Buzz, the Thomas Hauser regurgitator,

is in his glory as boxrec, the Grovel for Ali "boxing" site he engineers, has a thread now plastered with posts

by buzz' fellow Ali worshippers.

An Ali worshipper sees nothing odd about the fact that their hero supposedly "knocked out" Sonny Liston with a single "punch"

and IN HIS VERY NEXT FIGHT against a sore-backed Floyd Patterson showed he had no punching power at all.

Where did the "magic punch" disappear to so suddenly?

That's not something Ali worshippers worry about, because Thomas Hauser has instructed them that Ali had a titanic win over sore-backed Patterson in that fight.

LOL

I watched that fight again on youtube...Floyd's back didn't hurt him until round ten...Maybe it was because he "threw out his back" by missing Clay (Ali) so much...

Your the "boxing historian".. Did Floyd have a disguise to wear after that fight like he did in the debacles against Sonny Liston ?

As to your suggestion that Sonny tanked the Lewiston fight...Liston was a done fighter by then...Yeah, he went on but he was never again elite...If he got up Ali would have humiliated that slow moving mule... That's why he didn't get up...He was shot...Impotent....No bolt...Whatever....It has nothing to do with Hauser...

Patterson had a back injury prior to this fight and his back had affected
him for some time. I recall reading that it was suggested that he postpone
the fight, but Patterson was eager to regain the title again.

If Ali fought The Rabbit one hundred times he would have beat The Rabbit one hundred times...As it is we are only left with the record and the record demonstrates that Ali knocked out The Rabbit twice, once in the twelfth round and once in the seventh round...

As President John Adams so wisely said, "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."

TheOneIsHere2008 wrote: As President John Adams so wisely said, "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."

TheOneIsHere2008 wrote:

granberry wrote:Sugar Ray Leonard "knocked out" Roberto Duran in their second "fight."

Duran quit...Leonard was making him look stupid...Styles make fights and Duran was made to order for Leonard....

What about the Brawl in Montreal?

Leonard fought Duran's fight to show he had stones...It was a close fight, a lot a lot closer than when Duran was forced to fight Leonard's fight...

I do not agree with that. Duran outboxed and outsmarted Leonard in Montreal when BOTH were at their very best. Duran was better.

granberry wrote:

TheOneIsHere2008 wrote:

As President John Adams so wisely said, "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."

I have my images disabled...But I know what it is you are a one trick pony...

Ali gave his opponents names...I shall give you one...You are forever "one trick pony."

TheOneIsHere2008 wrote: As President John Adams so wisely said, "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."

elmersalsa wrote:

TheOneIsHere2008 wrote:

granberry wrote:Sugar Ray Leonard "knocked out" Roberto Duran in their second "fight."

Duran quit...Leonard was making him look stupid...Styles make fights and Duran was made to order for Leonard....

What about the Brawl in Montreal?

Leonard fought Duran's fight to show he had stones...It was a close fight, a lot a lot closer than when Duran was forced to fight Leonard's fight...

I do not agree with that. Duran outboxed and outsmarted Leonard in Montreal when BOTH were at their very best. Duran was better.

Did Duran magically age from June of 1980 to November of 1980?

I believe he was at the tender age of twenty four for both fights...

granberry wrote:

TheOneIsHere2008 wrote: As President John Adams so wisely said, "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."

Now, you're just repeating yourself... You challenged me to a forensic duel and you were found wanting...The gentlemanly thing to do is admit you were bested for a better man...I am sure you are used to it...

If you don't represent them better they will kick you out of the Aliphobes club...

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If Ali fought The Rabbit one hundred times he would have beat The Rabbit one hundred times...As it is we are only left with the record and the record demonstrates that Ali knocked out The Rabbit twice, once in the twelfth round and once in the seventh round...

As President John Adams so wisely said, "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."[/quote]

Mate.....yes he beat patterson twice.
BUT if you think that those versions of Patterson, Ali faced
were the best well you are pretty deluded.

I personally believe that Ali would beat Patterson most often,
but at the same time Patterson when at his best would give
alot of top men trouble. Though if the Ellis fight is anything
to go by, and should Dundee elect the sole judge/referee then
Patterson's chances against the Dundee trained fighters is never
going to be good.

So while I think Floyd loses most often to Ali...100 out of 100
is a pretty extreme and bold claim.

The second fight was alot more competitive, with Ali in 1972
was in far better condition that patterson (as far as wear and
tear go).

[quote="TheOneIsHere2008Did Duran magically age from June of 1980 to November of 1980?

I believe he was at the tender age of twenty four for both fights...[/quote]

Duran was not at his very best in November of 1980. His partying cost him. Leonard beat him in an OFF NIGHT.

Mate.....yes he beat patterson twice.
BUT if you think that those versions of Patterson, Ali faced
were the best well you are pretty deluded.

I personally believe that Ali would beat Patterson most often,
but at the same time Patterson when at his best would give
alot of top men trouble. Though if the Ellis fight is anything
to go by, and should Dundee elect the sole judge/referee then
Patterson's chances against the Dundee trained fighters is never
going to be good.

So while I think Floyd loses most often to Ali...100 out of 100
is a pretty extreme and bold claim.

The second fight was alot more competitive, with Ali in 1972
was in far better condition that patterson (as far as wear and
tear go).

Ali disposed of him in seven rounds... Ali was coming off his fifteen round war with Joe Frazier...Patterson never had any real ring wars...His two ring wars with Sonny Liston lasted all of two rounds...

I wish we didn't have to talk about Patterson...He was a good guy...He said "I was a boxer, Ali was history.."

It's poster like granny who slam great boxers and then to return the fire you have to slam other great boxers...

TheOneIsHere2008 wrote:
Patterson never had any real ring wars......

Another internet "boxing" site all time winner.
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Cassius Clay with Mayor Sam Yorty

Have you seen Patterson vs Chuvalo, Quarry (both), Boavena, Johannsen 2 ?
Never been in a fight indeed....

The Ellis and machen fights were tight and entertaining battles....

He was blown away by Liston twice.

He was TKO'd by Ali when he was not at his best.
Patterson had fought for 20 years as a pro, not to mention his
amateur-olympic days prior to that. Patterson was always smaller fighting
bigger men. Ali in 1972 was in very good form and shape, yet Patterson
still gave him a competitive and close fight.

Have you watched Ali-Patterson II ?

TOIH2008
what Patterson full fights have you seen ???
Have you just seen his losses to Liston and HL of
the Ali fights ?

Did Duran magically age from June of 1980 to November of 1980?

I believe he was at the tender age of twenty four for both fights...

-TheOneIsHere2008

Duran was not at his very best in November of 1980. His partying cost him. Leonard beat him in an OFF NIGHT.

-emeralsa

The fact that Duran lacked discipline and was reported to have put on one hundred pounds between fights is not Leonard's fault...

Would you agree that discipline is a requisite to reach the pinnacle in boxing or any other endeavor?

TheOneIsHere2008 wrote: As President John Adams so wisely said, "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."

Robinson wrote:TOIH2008
what Patterson full fights have you seen ???
Have you just seen his losses to Liston and HL of
the Ali fights ?

For starters I saw the Two Liston fights... Given the duration I could have watched them on the can...I watched him lose to Quarry and I watched him lose to an inferior Ali clone by the name of Jimmy Ellis...


And the Ali fights...

And bits of pieces of other fights...

Ali was a Lexus...Patterson was a Toyota...

granberry wrote:

TheOneIsHere2008 wrote: As President John Adams so wisely said, "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."

My images are disabled...

May I ask why you continue to post the same thing and abuse/waste the administrator's bandwidth...

TheOneIsHere2008 wrote:
Did Duran magically age from June of 1980 to November of 1980?

I believe he was at the tender age of twenty four for both fights...

You believe a lot of things.

LOL

Terry D wrote: Knowing the difference between murder, manslaughter and misadventure is not snobbery, it is basic.

I know the difference. As does everyone else. Which is why your point is meaningless.

"As for the baseball analogy, figures" I suppose by this you mean that anyone who watches baseball is an idiot too. Talk about being a snob. No, I don't sit around playing "who is on first" all day. Not everyone who disagrees with you is unintelligent, it seems to be the other way. The only clarity you have given us is that you have nothing better to do with your time than try to decipher something that we all were able to figure out with relative ease and a rather long time ago. I get the difference between a TKO and a KO, and I don't need some Brit snob to try to explain it to me. That's not the issue. The issue is that for over a century TKO's have been counted as a subset of KO's, and it frankly doesn't matter if you agree with it or not.