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davie wrote: ↑18 Oct 2017, 00:06 HoS, you inspired me to have a little Tyson marathon this morning.

Just watched Berbick, Pinklon Thomas, Biggs, Tubbs and Douglas.

I don't care what people say about Buster Douglas's masterplan, he beat a shadow of the fighter that demolished those other 4.
Mike in Tokyo entered the ring without his usual intensity he didn't have that look in his eye,
his movement was lethargic, his combination punching wasn't there, he wasn't able to apply the pressure he often could and Douglas survived a 13 or 14 second count.

The stock response here will be "Mike looked poor because Douglas didn't let him fight his usual fight/wasn't afraid of him" etc
People don't like excuses but Mike had a fair few ahead of that fight and he wasn't the same fighter on that night.
Douglas was good but he was able to look so impressive because Tyson let him. 86-88 Tyson finishes that guy inside 6.

The fact Kevin Rooney wasn’t with him is what did it IMO. He listen to a bunch of non-boxing people. He bought into his own hype. People telling him nobody could take is punch turn into him not training. Don King and Robin Givens beat Tyson. His immaturity and weak corner f’ed him up. He never worked the body after Rooney left. He relied on one punch and that was it. I mean he almost got away with it against Douglas. He had him hurt and down put Douglass was in a zone that night. If Kevin Rooney stays with Tyson and he doesn’t marry that pig I think that fight and his career ends differently. He needed direction or assignments if you will.

coolusernamebruh wrote: ↑08 Dec 2018, 19:47

davie wrote: ↑18 Oct 2017, 00:06 HoS, you inspired me to have a little Tyson marathon this morning.

Just watched Berbick, Pinklon Thomas, Biggs, Tubbs and Douglas.

I don't care what people say about Buster Douglas's masterplan, he beat a shadow of the fighter that demolished those other 4.
Mike in Tokyo entered the ring without his usual intensity he didn't have that look in his eye,
his movement was lethargic, his combination punching wasn't there, he wasn't able to apply the pressure he often could and Douglas survived a 13 or 14 second count.

The stock response here will be "Mike looked poor because Douglas didn't let him fight his usual fight/wasn't afraid of him" etc
People don't like excuses but Mike had a fair few ahead of that fight and he wasn't the same fighter on that night.
Douglas was good but he was able to look so impressive because Tyson let him. 86-88 Tyson finishes that guy inside 6.

The fact Kevin Rooney wasn’t with him is what did it IMO. He listen to a bunch of non-boxing people. He bought into his own hype. People telling him nobody could take is punch turn into him not training. Don King and Robin Givens beat Tyson. His immaturity and weak corner f’ed him up. He never worked the body after Rooney left. He relied on one punch and that was it. I mean he almost got away with it against Douglas. He had him hurt and down put Douglass was in a zone that night. If Kevin Rooney stays with Tyson and he doesn’t marry that pig I think that fight and his career ends differently. He needed direction or assignments if you will.

Agreed. Just remember the condom as an endswell between rounds...oye!

Alfonso Zamora over Soo-Hwan Hong (second fight). Also watched Zamora being blown out by Carlos Zarate in four. Then watched Zarate lose to Wilfredo Gomez.

I loved this time for Bantams and Featherweights. 1970's was golden!

Alexis Arguello vs Bobby Chacon


Arguello stops Chacon on a cut after 7 rounds to retain his world Super Featherweight title, you've got to feel sorry for Chacon for over 5 rounds he was well in the fight, first off in the exchanges and was able to counter Arguello's long jab by firing the right hand over the top and i'd imagine Chacon was up on the cards after 5, at the end of the 6th though Arguello finally started to get to Chacon and at the end of the round had Chacon hurt and backed up on the ropes, at the start of the 7th Arguello put Chacon down with a lovely left hook counter which had Chacon making the most of the count


The ref stopped things to call the doc over to check over Chacon who was cut bad, the ref allowed it to continue, Chacon obviously aware he was on borrowed time took the fight to Arguello but although he made it to the end of 7, the ref stopped it between rounds

3 of the last 4 Arguello fights ive watched he's won via cut to the other guy, he must be a slashing puncher

Alexis Arguello vs Ruben Castillo


Arguello KOs the brave and capable Castillo with a vicious left to the body in the 11th round to retain his World Super Featherweight title, what an effort from the 22 year old Castillo who was able to outbox and outland Arguello for long spells of the fight, Arguello had a bit of an off night, ate some jabs and right hands of the clever Castillo and was countered regularly, Arguello always has that power in both hands though, as the fight went on he started to find the measure of Castillo and was backing him up with the jab/right cross

Castillo was still well in the fight though at the stoppage, although Arguello was coming on strong each passing round, in the 11th, Arguello steadied Castillo with lead right hand which backed Castillo up to the ropes where Arguello got to work on him, the left hook to the body was an absolute sickener, Castillo went down straight away and even though he made the count he was still in distress and ref rightly waved it off

handsofstone wrote: ↑12 Dec 2018, 14:56 Alexis Arguello vs Ruben Castillo


Arguello KOs the brave and capable Castillo with a vicious left to the body in the 11th round to retain his World Super Featherweight title, what an effort from the 22 year old Castillo who was able to outbox and outland Arguello for long spells of the fight, Arguello had a bit of an off night, ate some jabs and right hands of the clever Castillo and was countered regularly, Arguello always has that power in both hands though, as the fight went on he started to find the measure of Castillo and was backing him up with the jab/right cross

Castillo was still well in the fight though at the stoppage, although Arguello was coming on strong each passing round, in the 11th, Arguello steadied Castillo with lead right hand which backed Castillo up to the ropes where Arguello got to work on him, the left hook to the body was an absolute sickener, Castillo went down straight away and even though he made the count he was still in distress and ref rightly waved it off

Watch Arguello v. Boom Boom Mancini! Great action!

oogiebe wrote: ↑12 Dec 2018, 15:19

handsofstone wrote: ↑12 Dec 2018, 14:56 Alexis Arguello vs Ruben Castillo


Arguello KOs the brave and capable Castillo with a vicious left to the body in the 11th round to retain his World Super Featherweight title, what an effort from the 22 year old Castillo who was able to outbox and outland Arguello for long spells of the fight, Arguello had a bit of an off night, ate some jabs and right hands of the clever Castillo and was countered regularly, Arguello always has that power in both hands though, as the fight went on he started to find the measure of Castillo and was backing him up with the jab/right cross

Castillo was still well in the fight though at the stoppage, although Arguello was coming on strong each passing round, in the 11th, Arguello steadied Castillo with lead right hand which backed Castillo up to the ropes where Arguello got to work on him, the left hook to the body was an absolute sickener, Castillo went down straight away and even though he made the count he was still in distress and ref rightly waved it off

Watch Arguello v. Boom Boom Mancini! Great action!

I'm going through his career in order, I'm assuming the Mancini fight isn't too far away, that fight would've been at Lightweight right?? Howard Cossell mentioned in commentary during the Castillo fight that Arguello was planning on moving up from Super Featherweight, I'm watching the Boza Edwards fight next which is a non title fight, ive already seen the fight with Watt when he won the LW title so hopefully no too long for Boom Boom

Edit- Just had a look there, Mancini after Boza Edwards

Riddick Bowe vs Evander Holyfield III

I probably love it the most out of their trilogy, cause it was the most intense, the most back-and-forth fashioned affair. Holyfield showed up not in the best shape apparently because of not fully recovering from Hepatitis, but he was winning that fight before he got caught.

Alexis Arguello vs Cornelius Boza Edwards


Arguello wins after Boza Edwards is pulled out by his corner after 8 rounds of a non title Lightweight bout, brave effort from Boza Edwards but Arguello just too seasoned for the young up and coming fighter, for the most part it was a close contest but Arguello wobbled Boza Edwards in the 3rd with a right hand and all the hurtful shots came from Arguello, still Boza Edwards had success too and landed some nice southpaw lead lefts, by the 7th though Arguello was starting to get on top and the 7th and 8th rounds were target practice for Arguello, unloading lefts and rights on the tiring Boza Edwards, at the end of the 8th, Mickey Duff and Terry Lawless had seen enough and pulled their man out to live to fight another day

handsofstone wrote: ↑19 Dec 2018, 04:54 Alexis Arguello vs Cornelius Boza Edwards


Arguello wins after Boza Edwards is pulled out by his corner after 8 rounds of a non title Lightweight bout, brave effort from Boza Edwards but Arguello just too seasoned for the young up and coming fighter, for the most part it was a close contest but Arguello wobbled Boza Edwards in the 3rd with a right hand and all the hurtful shots came from Arguello, still Boza Edwards had success too and landed some nice southpaw lead lefts, by the 7th though Arguello was starting to get on top and the 7th and 8th rounds were target practice for Arguello, unloading lefts and rights on the tiring Boza Edwards, at the end of the 8th, Mickey Duff and Terry Lawless had seen enough and pulled their man out to live to fight another day

A great move by his handlers. Boza was young and it was apparent that he was going to take too much punishment. I love Arguello! Nice post!

oogiebe wrote: ↑19 Dec 2018, 10:49

handsofstone wrote: ↑19 Dec 2018, 04:54 Alexis Arguello vs Cornelius Boza Edwards


Arguello wins after Boza Edwards is pulled out by his corner after 8 rounds of a non title Lightweight bout, brave effort from Boza Edwards but Arguello just too seasoned for the young up and coming fighter, for the most part it was a close contest but Arguello wobbled Boza Edwards in the 3rd with a right hand and all the hurtful shots came from Arguello, still Boza Edwards had success too and landed some nice southpaw lead lefts, by the 7th though Arguello was starting to get on top and the 7th and 8th rounds were target practice for Arguello, unloading lefts and rights on the tiring Boza Edwards, at the end of the 8th, Mickey Duff and Terry Lawless had seen enough and pulled their man out to live to fight another day

A great move by his handlers. Boza was young and it was apparent that he was going to take too much punishment. I love Arguello! Nice post!

Cheers mate, yep Boza Edwards would go on to have a great career himself

handsofstone wrote: ↑19 Dec 2018, 18:21

oogiebe wrote: ↑19 Dec 2018, 10:49

handsofstone wrote: ↑19 Dec 2018, 04:54 Alexis Arguello vs Cornelius Boza Edwards


Arguello wins after Boza Edwards is pulled out by his corner after 8 rounds of a non title Lightweight bout, brave effort from Boza Edwards but Arguello just too seasoned for the young up and coming fighter, for the most part it was a close contest but Arguello wobbled Boza Edwards in the 3rd with a right hand and all the hurtful shots came from Arguello, still Boza Edwards had success too and landed some nice southpaw lead lefts, by the 7th though Arguello was starting to get on top and the 7th and 8th rounds were target practice for Arguello, unloading lefts and rights on the tiring Boza Edwards, at the end of the 8th, Mickey Duff and Terry Lawless had seen enough and pulled their man out to live to fight another day

A great move by his handlers. Boza was young and it was apparent that he was going to take too much punishment. I love Arguello! Nice post!

Cheers mate, yep Boza Edwards would go on to have a great career himself

It shows how losses are not the end for a great fighter, in fact this one was only the beginning!

Alexis Arguello vs Ray "Boom Boom" Mancini


Arguello stops Mancini in the 14th to retain his world Lightweight title, terrific effort from the 20 year old challenger Mancini who was excellent throughout, really took the fight to Arguello, got inside roughed him up, put constant pressure on the sluggish looking Arguello who lacked snap up at Lightweight but it was Mancini's jab that was key, used it all night doubling it up and was winning the battle of the jabs against the much taller Arguello, getting in some big left hook to the head and working the body up close

It wasn't until about the 10th Arguello started to make any headway in the fight, starting to put more power in his punches and looking to finish strong down the stretch, still it was out of the blue when right at the end of the 12th Arguello rocked Mancini badly with a massive right hand right at the end of the round, Mancini's knee touched the canvas but the ref never scored it a knockdown and by the time Mancini staggered into the ropes the round was over

That was it for Mancini even though he made it through the 13th he was backing for the first time of the fight and still hadn't recovered from the KD, in the 14th with Arguello still coming on strong he rocked Mancini with 2 big lefts and a final big right hand put him down when the ref stopped it

I always cheered against Mancini, but I look at him fondly now. Very underrated, I've seen people suggest him and gatti would be a good fight!

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑21 Dec 2018, 20:09 I always cheered against Mancini, but I look at him fondly now. Very underrated, I've seen people suggest him and gatti would be a good fight!

There would be no quit in that fight! Loved Boom Boom then and now. Vs. Gatti would be a war.

Two of my favorite fighters from my youth and Olivares one of my favorites all time! This was an action packed tough slugfest!
Ruben Olivares vs Bobby Chacon I

oogiebe wrote: ↑21 Dec 2018, 21:02

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑21 Dec 2018, 20:09 I always cheered against Mancini, but I look at him fondly now. Very underrated, I've seen people suggest him and gatti would be a good fight!

There would be no quit in that fight! Loved Boom Boom then and now. Vs. Gatti would be a war.

It would be a massacre. Gatti couldn't fight at that level.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 01:39

oogiebe wrote: ↑21 Dec 2018, 21:02

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑21 Dec 2018, 20:09 I always cheered against Mancini, but I look at him fondly now. Very underrated, I've seen people suggest him and gatti would be a good fight!

There would be no quit in that fight! Loved Boom Boom then and now. Vs. Gatti would be a war.

It would be a massacre. Gatti couldn't fight at that level.

Nah...would be a great fight. I love boom boom, but Gatti would be able to hit him all night long. Not saying who would win here, or that Boom Boom wasn't great (ATF for me), but it would be a war for sure.

Zero chance that's a war. Gatti wouldn't win a round.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 14:04 Zero chance that's a war. Gatti wouldn't win a round.

Gatti's size would wear Macini down. Too bad we'll never know.

oogiebe wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 14:06

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 14:04 Zero chance that's a war. Gatti wouldn't win a round.

Gatti's size would wear Macini down. Too bad we'll never know.

Boom Boom was holding his own v. Arguello until he began to wear down late in the fight. He was very small and had that swarming style that takes a lot of energy out of you. An great fighter no doubt, and certainly a fun fighter to watch.

oogiebe wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 14:06

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 14:04 Zero chance that's a war. Gatti wouldn't win a round.

Gatti's size would wear Macini down. Too bad we'll never know.

Oh, I know. Gatti couldn't handle Ivan Robinson with his size. Ramirez would thrash gatti and Mancini shut him out.

oogiebe wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 14:11

oogiebe wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 14:06

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 14:04 Zero chance that's a war. Gatti wouldn't win a round.

Gatti's size would wear Macini down. Too bad we'll never know.

Boom Boom was holding his own v. Arguello until he began to wear down late in the fight. He was very small and had that swarming style that takes a lot of energy out of you. An great fighter no doubt, and certainly a fun fighter to watch.

Getting stopped in the 14th of a war against a legend is something gatti could never do.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 14:29

oogiebe wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 14:11

oogiebe wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 14:06

Gatti's size would wear Macini down. Too bad we'll never know.

Boom Boom was holding his own v. Arguello until he began to wear down late in the fight. He was very small and had that swarming style that takes a lot of energy out of you. An great fighter no doubt, and certainly a fun fighter to watch.

Getting stopped in the 14th of a war against a legend is something gatti could never do.

Styles and sizes make fights. Gatti is way bigger and would have similar effect. THe difference is that Boom Boom can take him regardless. It would be a great fight. You implied/said it wouldn't be a decent fight, I'm saying it would be for the reason I stated. If you can't understand that, I'm sorry. Just disagree and let's move on.

Lol, you can move on too. I'm just surprised you're so far off on a no brainer.