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scartissue wrote:
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dagosd2000 wrote:Frank,Rick,the guys in Chicago.
How about another Mexican heavyweight,Fernando Montes? The reason I asked Scar and Pug is that Montes fought in Chicago. Montes reminded me of the fighter in Requiem For A Heavyweight:Mountain Rivera, played by Tony Quinn.
Ive never seen Fernando fight.
Looking at his record I see he beat Chuck Warfield who I mentioned a little earlier in this thread.
However he was stopped in the first round by Ed "Too Tall "Jones.
Jones who played for the Dallas Cowboys.
Pug, the other loss in Chicago was to Walter Moore. I don't know if you recall him but he was really being touted as something else. Ryan O'Neal managed him at one time, but I remember when he hooked up with Ernie Terrell, who was promoting him. Terrell was really excited about him,and was bringing him along, but I heard Moore wasn't satisfied with the speed his career was moving and jumped ship to fight on a Vegas card where he was promptly knocked out. That was the last I heard about him.

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Scar- I have some good shots of Walter Moore. He was the heavyweight on the L.A. Golden Goves team in 1969, and traveled with us to Kansas City for the Nationals. Walter was L.A.'s only National GG champ, that year.

Here's a funny story, after Walter won his nat'l title, he rep'd L.A. on our AAU team, that went to the '69 AAU Nationals in San Diego. Dagos, this was the first boxing promotion ever held at the "new" S.D. Sports Arena.

Walter Moore was nervous about fighting the tounamen favorite, a Navy heavyweight named James Elder. I was amazed that Moore was scared of Elder. So bothered by this, he said he was sick to his stomach and could not fight. As it turns out, Elder defeats everybody on his way to the final match. He was a big favorite to defeat this heavyweight from Cincinatti, and you could see how cocky he was, the look on his face as he entered the ring for the title match. On the pther side of the ring was his opponent, and the guy looked scared to death. When the bell rang, the scared heavyweight from Ohio, just ran across the ring and started throwing bombs, less than a minute later, Elder was flattend by a big shot and the crowd just sat silent. They could have counted a hundred over Jim Elder's body. The ring announcer then introduced the newly crowned 1969 National AAU heavyweight champion, Earnie Shavers!

And the rest is HISTORY!

-Rick Farris
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Rick Farris wrote:
scartissue wrote:
Expug wrote: Ive never seen Fernando fight.
Looking at his record I see he beat Chuck Warfield who I mentioned a little earlier in this thread.
However he was stopped in the first round by Ed "Too Tall "Jones.
Jones who played for the Dallas Cowboys.
Pug, the other loss in Chicago was to Walter Moore. I don't know if you recall him but he was really being touted as something else. Ryan O'Neal managed him at one time, but I remember when he hooked up with Ernie Terrell, who was promoting him. Terrell was really excited about him,and was bringing him along, but I heard Moore wasn't satisfied with the speed his career was moving and jumped ship to fight on a Vegas card where he was promptly knocked out. That was the last I heard about him.

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Scar- I have some good shots of Walter Moore. He was the heavyweight on the L.A. Golden Goves team in 1969, and traveled with us to Kansas City for the Nationals. Walter was L.A.'s only National GG champ, that year.

Here's a funny story, after Walter won his nat'l title, he rep'd L.A. on our AAU team, that went to the '69 AAU Nationals in San Diego. Dagos, this was the first boxing promotion ever held at the "new" S.D. Sports Arena.

Walter Moore was nervous about fighting the tounamen favorite, a Navy heavyweight named James Elder. I was amazed that Moore was scared of Elder. So bothered by this, he said he was sick to his stomach and could not fight. As it turns out, Elder defeats everybody on his way to the final match. He was a big favorite to defeat this heavyweight from Cincinatti, and you could see how cocky he was, the look on his face as he entered the ring for the title match. On the pther side of the ring was his opponent, and the guy looked scared to death. When the bell rang, the scared heavyweight from Ohio, just ran across the ring and started throwing bombs, less than a minute later, Elder was flattend by a big shot and the crowd just sat silent. They could have counted a hundred over Jim Elder's body. The ring announcer then introduced the newly crowned 1969 National AAU heavyweight champion, Earnie Shavers!

And the rest is HISTORY!

-Rick Farris
Whooa, great story. The beginning of a heavyweight contender. I remember stories hearing about 'the late Jim Elder'. How did he pass away? Was it in the ring? I wonder if he ended up duking it out with two other Heavies from the service at that time. Duane Bobick was also in the Navy and Nick Wells was representing the Air Force. Man, that would have been interesting to see.

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Rick Farris wrote:
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Boots Monroe

Frank, I remember this guy. He was a little before my time, however, he fought Dwight Hawkins. So did Pimi Barajas, from an earlier picture. By the way, remember Auburn Copeland?

These guys were part of the L.A. featherweight scene in the late 50's-early 60's. L.A. either produced, or attracted the best smaller boxers in the world. L.A. feather & bantams were competitive with anybody in the world, and often were the best.

-Rick
Rick,

I do remember Auburn Copeland, wonder what happen to him?
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Auburn Copeland died in 1964 of cancer, he fought some good boys here in L.A. in the late 1950's- early 60's.
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Rick or Frank or anybody,

This guy has always been a mystery for me,L.C. Morgan.
Fought almost his entire career in Mexico,yet was black and born in
Mississippi. He's the guy that cut Napoles's eye in Reynosa.After that Napoles's eyes turned to mantequilla. Fill me in.
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dagosd2000 wrote:Rick or Frank or anybody,

This guy has always been a mystery for me,L.C. Morgan.
Fought almost his entire career in Mexico,yet was black and born in
Mississippi. He's the guy that cut Napoles's eye in Reynosa.After that Napoles's eyes turned to mantequilla. Fill me in.
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D,

not much I can tell you about L.C. Morgan (personal), in the mid-late 1960's I used to see L.C. about every weekend at the jr.amateur shows, he had 2 or 3 of his sons boxings, one of them, Kevin, went pro, L.C. was lots of fun to be around, he was aways laughing, aways in a good mood.
I know he died some years back.
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Rodolfo "Gato" Gonzalez & Jose Napoles
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Harold Ledeman, Juan LaPorte & Carlos Ortiz.
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Mando Ramos & Rodolfo "Gato" Gonzalez
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Bobby Chacon, Genero Hernandez, Kenny Lane & Mando Ramos
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Bobby Chacon, Genero Hernandez, Kenny Lane & Mando Ramos
Kenny Lane after dropping a 12 rounder to Eddie Perkins was off 16 years and came back at 50!
He fought till he was nearly 53.
I guess the 16 years off reinvigorated him. :wink:
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Rodolfo "Gato" Gonzalez & Jose Napoles
What a shot. Frank,Where and when was this taken?
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My brother in law in Mexico City,the big mucky muck in the PRI(at that time the big political party in Mexico),Told me that Napoles had a night club in the Zona Rosa. The Zona Rosa has some pretty swanky spots. My "cunado" said that one night the "plain clothes" cops came into Napoles's place to try to shake him down. Jose came out with some of his boys,beat up the cops,stripped off their clothes,and then threw them outside naked. Can't help but like a guy like that.
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[/quote]What a shot. Frank,Where and when was this taken?[/quote]

D,

These pics, are not mine, they were e-mail to me by st.
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Hagler-Geraldo
Nice shot of those two. Geraldo is in Tijuana training fighters. Before he retired the Mexican Commission revoked his license for throwing fights. He's OK now and handles just about what is left in TJ with young talent.
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Any of you guys remember a fighter named Rudy Robles?
I think he fought out of L.A.
He got a shot at Rodrigo Valdes and dropped a dec.
Then he became kind of a gatekeeper.
Seems like he fought all the prospects of the early/ mid eighties.
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Just for you puggsy
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Rudy Robles
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Just for you puggsy
There he is.
Thanks Frank.
Theres Felton Marshall there too.
Didnt Felton Marshall have a brother who fought also named James Marshall?
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Expug wrote:There he is.
Thanks Frank.
Theres Felton Marshall there too.
Didnt Felton Marshall have a brother who fought also named James Marshall?
Yes, he did, don't remember to much about him though.
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The reason I know about James , Felton and a few others from the West Coast is because a friend of mine who was in the Marine corps.stationed in San Diego named Tony Fritz had some am. fights and trained with alot of guys from there.
He talked about guys such asDon Chargin, Jackie McCoy etc.
Tony was from Hammond Indiana originally and when he got bak here he had some pro fights.
He didnt do so well, but I think he was fighting in a weight class not suited for him.
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Expug wrote:The reason I know about James , Felton and a few others from the West Coast is because a friend of mine who was in the Marine corps.stationed in San Diego named Tony Fritz had some am. fights and trained with alot of guys from there.
He talked about guys such asDon Chargin, Jackie McCoy etc.
Tony was from Hammond Indiana originally and when he got bak here he had some pro fights.
He didnt do so well, but I think he was fighting in a weight class not suited for him.
pug, you and Bennie seem to know alot about West Coast fighters, same for scard.
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kikibalt wrote:
Expug wrote:The reason I know about James , Felton and a few others from the West Coast is because a friend of mine who was in the Marine corps.stationed in San Diego named Tony Fritz had some am. fights and trained with alot of guys from there.
He talked about guys such asDon Chargin, Jackie McCoy etc.
Tony was from Hammond Indiana originally and when he got bak here he had some pro fights.
He didnt do so well, but I think he was fighting in a weight class not suited for him.
pug, you and Bennie seem to know alot about West Coast fighters, same for scard.
Back when I really followed Boxing, the mid Seventies through the eighties,there were so many good fighters from there.
In this thread we talked about many of them.
My two favorites were Carlos Palomino and Lil Red.
Watching those guys when I was a teenager, made me want to BE a fighter.
It wasnt just how good they fought, those guys had dignity man.
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Gil Cadilli (L) vs Keeny Teran...1951
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Expug wrote:The reason I know about James , Felton and a few others from the West Coast is because a friend of mine who was in the Marine corps.stationed in San Diego named Tony Fritz had some am. fights and trained with alot of guys from there.
He talked about guys such asDon Chargin, Jackie McCoy etc.
Tony was from Hammond Indiana originally and when he got bak here he had some pro fights.
He didnt do so well, but I think he was fighting in a weight class not suited for him.

Pug
When did your friend train with guys from San Diego and what was his weight? I used to spar with a lot of service heavies. You mentioned he was a Marine. Late 60's is when I used to go down to the Coliseum to work some rounds with those guys. A very good Navy heavyweight by the name of Gary Young was the guy I sparred with the most. He fought a lot at the Coliseum as an amateur. Ask your friend about him.

You also mentioned Felton Marshall. We had a middleweight in San Diego who fought Marshall. He also beat Rudy Robles. That fighter's name: James "The Heat" Kinchen. Here's a funny story.

You know those signs up in the mountains that say"Deer Crossing"? Well they put 'em up for a purpose. Back when I was working for the County driving a spray rig is when I understood the logic for putting them signs where they're at. An old time mountain man character told me deer are very territorial. They eat in the same spot,drink in the same spot,get laid in the same spot,and so forth. They stick to a routine. Well they got these signs in various spots in the mountains because this is where the deer cross the road. Like I said ,those deer never waver from the conventional.

James "The Heat" Kinchen was going strong .He made his home in San Diego and now they had him lined him up with a fight with James Shuler. The winner to fight Hagler. Sayonovich had him training up in the mountains out in East County. San Diego doesn't have real big mountains like the Himalayas,but they're high enough to get snowed on. People from places like Tibet call our mountains "Foothills".

Well Sayonovich has got a training camp in Campo California just on the U.S. side of the border located in these sissy mountains. I had a crew that would go out in the spray truck with me and we'd spray weed killer on the weeds along the sides of the County roads. Well we knew "The Heat" was up there training for his fight with Shuler in those faggot mountains we've got in San Diego and we wanted to see him train. We figured we'd given everybody cancer up there spraying "agent orange" all over the place so instead of spraying,we went playing. I signed the truck out saying we were going out to Jacumba which is in the middle of no where a hundred miles away. Ain't no one will be interested in finding us.

Now Kinchen would leave with his sparring partners from Campo and they'd start runnin' north along Skyline Highway towards the top of Mt. Laguna.(remember it ain't a real genuine mountain,more like a girly mountain). At the top is the fire station where the fighters would workout in this gym they set up inside . We'd usually wait for the fighters to arrive at the fire station after eating a Paul Bunyan breakfast at the Pine Valley Lodge consisting of two dozen eggs made every which way,buckwheat pancakes with quarts of maple syrup,sausages,bacon,homemade cinnamon buns,hash browns,toast,and mugs of hot coffee. After doing our best imitations of government employees we'd steer the rig to the fire station.

Well one morning we had to drop a spray gun off at the Campo Road Station so we had to proceed to the fire station up Skyline Highway. As we're going up the grade we see "The Heat" and his sparring partners runnin' hard and fast up the road. The steam was coming out of their mouths in rythmic puffs. Kinchen is wearing this all red sweat suit and leather gloves. The fighters looked tough. "The Heat"was tuned up like a Ferrarri. Shuler better watch his ass. We drive by the fighters shouting stuff like"Kick Shuler's ass Heat"(Real original stuff). He gives us the smile and a thumbs up. He's OK. Kinchen looks ready. Shuler better watch his ass.

The boys are really churning up the grade ,and I notice they're approaching one of them "Dear Crossing" signs. We're a little ahead of them so I slow the truck down to let them run ahead. Kinchen's out front of the pack. He runs past the sign,but just when the other guys get to the sign this flock of deer explode from the woods and run right through them. There must have been twenty of them Rudolphs. I couldn't see Kinchen's sparring partners. They were in the middle of that swarm. They must have killed them. Their paws were making this clopping sound and dirt was flying off their paws and and on top of all that those bastards stunk!

The animals go off on the other side of the road into the woods again. Standing there in the road are Kinchen's sparring partners like pine trees. They can't move. Their mouths are open and they ain't saying nothin'. Kinchen is up a ways and turns around.
"Why'd you guys stop?"
The sparring partners are still in shock. I stick my head out the cab.
"Ever hear about deers in the headlights? Well these guys just stepped in their shit"
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