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bennie wrote:You lived through a golden era, Rick. You know, over here TV is TERRIBLE, I've never known it so bad. If I do watch anything, it is classic 1970s stuff.
Bennie . . . A former girlfriend of mine has been the production designer on a number of English TV series. In the late 80's she did a show known as "The East Enders", and more recently did a show called "Bad Girls". Her name is Jane Tomblin and she's the daughter of the late David Tomblin, one England's great film makers. David was a brilliant producer/director whose credits in British TV go back to the old "Secret Agent" series from the 60's. He would later assist some the greatest directors in the world such as George Lucas on the original "Star Wars", Blake Edwards on "The Pink Panther" films, Richard Donner on all of the Superman features starring Christopher Reeve, Spielberg on the "Indiana Jones" movies, and his favorite, the original James Bond movies starring his best friend, Sean Connery.

I met David when he was Sydney Pollacks co-producer on the Robert Redford Film, "Havana". This is where I met his daughter Jane, in the Dominican Republic, where we shot the film in '89-90. David would go on to work as Mel Gibson's assistant in his directorial debut, "Braveheart", which won him an Oscar. When he accepted his Academy Award, Gibson told the audience, "Thanks to David Tomblin, he held my hand thru the entire film." At David's funeral, he was eulogized by Lord Richard Attenborough, another great whom David worked with. I almost packed up and left to live with Jane in the U.K. back in the early 90's. I had a big contact in the English film world thru Jane and could have worked there. However, my life and children were here in America. I tried to get Jane to come to the States, where Steven Speilberg (another David Tomblin buddy) would have put her to work immidiatley. We almost married, but wisely went our seperate ways. Janie remains a life long friend, I will visit her later this year when I head back to England for a visit. She's a brilliant artist and a great woman. I really get carried away when I get into the film making thing, sorry guys for the long messages. I just have lots of memories that come up. It was the only life that could equal the excitment I had in boxing.

-Rick
Bennie . . . in 1965, after my grandfather retired from the film business, he took my grandmother to her native London for a visit. When he returned, he raved about "the funniest TV show he'd ever seen!" The name of the show was, "Til Death Do Us Part". Remember that one? A few years later, based on that British TV series, Norman Lear developd one of America's greatest TV hits, "All In The Family".

-Rick
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Bennie . . . Do you know of an English actor who was one of the "East Enders". He's known a "Dirty Dan" to the press but his real name is Leslie B. (don't know last name spelling). Jane worked with him on a TV series he did around '90, after the "East Enders", I forget the name. From what Jane tells me, there is a lot of dirt on "Dirty Dan"? ;;-)

By the way, Jane Tomblin's father David wrote the second Star Wars movie, "Return of the Jedi" (which he titled "Revenge of the Jedi".). Talented family.

-Rick
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Eddie Futch
Interesting listening to Freddie Roach talk about one of his mentors, Eddie Futch. I didn't know Futch well. He worked my corner once, assisting Suey Welch at the Santa Monica Civic, shortly before he worked with Frazier in the first Ali fight. He wrapped my hands, I think we talked about his welterweight, Hedgeman Lewis, who I would get to know later in my career.

Funny, one night he's the bucket man for a prelim kid in a six-rounder, and a few weeks later he's the key man in the corner of the champ, in one of history's greatest heavyweight title fights. Eddie Futch was the voice in the corner of Joe Frazier, the night he floored the great Ali, handing him his first pro loss.

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VICTORIES PASSED ON
"I can't remember the guy he fought," said Gary.
I had fininished sparring three with him. Dick Wood wanted to lock up the 32nd Street Gym. Said he needed to see a guy about some boxing equipment he had for sale.
"I don't know either. I thought you knew all the fighters around Portland."
"But this guy he fought was from out of state."
We put on our street clothes, got in the car,and drove a short ways to Loudres Family Restaurant on Broadway. Best Philippino food in the city.
The place was empty,so we had it to ourselves. The table in the back corner suited us fine. The waitress came over. We ordered Lumpias with rice.

"I hope Boone can somehow beat Foreman,"said Gary.
"Sounds like he's a set up for Foreman."
"They're thinking that way I'm sure."
The waitress came over with two ice teas.
"I wish I could remember that guy he fought in Portland that night. He buckled Boone's knees. Thought Boone was finished."
Gary Young and Boone Kirkman trained together in Portland before Gary went into the Navy. After he got out,he married down here in San Diego and wound up teaching school for handicapped kids. He was still communicatng with Kirkman. Me and Gary had planned to watch Kirkman fight Foreman on television.

"If that guy could have landed another punch,he might have been fighting Foreman next week instead of Boone,"said Gary.
The waitress brought the plate of hot lumpias and steamed white rice.
"Boone has a punch. He's got a chance with Foreman,"Gary continued.
I didn't think Kirkman had much of a chance. He was going to fight in New York. Sure,Boone was big and strong,but George was bigger and stronger. Only a good boxer would give him problems,not another puncher.

"I guess I'll never come up with that other guy's name. He's forgotten,"sighed Gary.
We finshed eating.Gary grabbed the bill.
"So you can't remember his name,"I said. "That fight probably put Kirkman in the Garden with Foreman."

Outside the sun was beginning to fall below the harbor.
"We better get back to Ocean Beach ,"I said. "The traffic is going to get jammed on the freeway."
"I think I'll stay on the base,"said Gary."i'm going to call Boone tonight. I can call him for free."
"Then I'll see you here tomorrow?"
"Sure. Besides I can give you the name of that fighter that almost pulled the upset."

I took the harbor road back to Ocean Beach. I wanted to avoid the traffic. Driving home I tried to think of the fighters who had lost, and put their opponents in a big fight in a place like the Garden.
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Joe Louis and Hoyt Porter

Hoyt gave me this photo about 30 years ago, Hoyt have since passed away, I'll alway be grateful for him putting such trust in me.
Frank . . . Didn't Hoyt Porter train you early in your amateur days?

-Rick
Rick...Yeah, Hoyt trained me in the early-mid 1950's (At the teamsters), fought 3-4 fights under him, imo he was a good trainer, funny guy too...
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dagosd2000 wrote:VICTORIES PASSED ON
"I can't remember the guy he fought," said Gary.
I had fininished sparring three with him. Dick Wood wanted to lock up the 32nd Street Gym. Said he needed to see a guy about some boxing equipment he had for sale.
"I don't know either. I thought you knew all the fighters around Portland."
"But this guy he fought was from out of state."
We put on our street clothes, got in the car,and drove a short ways to Loudres Family Restaurant on Broadway. Best Philippino food in the city.
The place was empty,so we had it to ourselves. The table in the back corner suited us fine. The waitress came over. We ordered Lumpias with rice.

"I hope Boone can somehow beat Foreman,"said Gary.
"Sounds like he's a set up for Foreman."
"They're thinking that way I'm sure."
The waitress came over with two ice teas.
"I wish I could remember that guy he fought in Portland that night. He buckled Boone's knees. Thought Boone was finished."
Gary Young and Boone Kirkman trained together in Portland before Gary went into the Navy. After he got out,he married down here in San Diego and wound up teaching school for handicapped kids. He was still communicatng with Kirkman. Me and Gary had planned to watch Kirkman fight Foreman on television.

"If that guy could have landed another punch,he might have been fighting Foreman next week instead of Boone,"said Gary.
The waitress brought the plate of hot lumpias and steamed white rice.
"Boone has a punch. He's got a chance with Foreman,"Gary continued.
I didn't think Kirkman had much of a chance. He was going to fight in New York. Sure,Boone was big and strong,but George was bigger and stronger. Only a good boxer would give him problems,not another puncher.

"I guess I'll never come up with that other guy's name. He's forgotten,"sighed Gary.
We finshed eating.Gary grabbed the bill.
"So you can't remember his name,"I said. "That fight probably put Kirkman in the Garden with Foreman."

Outside the sun was beginning to fall below the harbor.
"We better get back to Ocean Beach ,"I said. "The traffic is going to get jammed on the freeway."
"I think I'll stay on the base,"said Gary."i'm going to call Boone tonight. I can call him for free."
"Then I'll see you here tomorrow?"
"Sure. Besides I can give you the name of that fighter that almost pulled the upset."

I took the harbor road back to Ocean Beach. I wanted to avoid the traffic. Driving home I tried to think of the fighters who had lost, and put their opponents in a big fight in a place like the Garden.
The Opponent . . .

The guy who Kirkman beat prior to Foreman was Amos "Big Train" Lincoln. Amos fought out of Portland and was a headliner in L.A. He was was also a puncher who could easily rock a guy like Kirkman back on his feet, no doubt. I knew Amos as a sparring partner for Sonny Liston, one who also fought the former heavyweight champ, twice.

"Big Train" was far down the tracks career wise when he faced Boone Kirkman in Seattle, 1970. I'll never forget watching Amos Lincoln boxing at the Main St. Gym, including a few sessions with Jerry Quarry. Quarry had big respect for the power of "Big Train". Shortly after this workout, I watched Amos get flattened in two rounds by Jimmy "King" Fletcher at the Olympic. I really wanted Lincoln to win that one.

After that fight, which took place 1967, Amos Lincoln just fought for a paycheck. He was friendly to me when I was a kid, and I overheard him speak of his days in the Sonny Liston camp before the second Ali fight.

Rest his soul.

-Rick Farris
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dagosd2000 wrote:VICTORIES PASSED ON
"I can't remember the guy he fought," said Gary.
I had fininished sparring three with him. Dick Wood wanted to lock up the 32nd Street Gym. Said he needed to see a guy about some boxing equipment he had for sale.
"I don't know either. I thought you knew all the fighters around Portland."
"But this guy he fought was from out of state."
We put on our street clothes, got in the car,and drove a short ways to Loudres Family Restaurant on Broadway. Best Philippino food in the city.
The place was empty,so we had it to ourselves. The table in the back corner suited us fine. The waitress came over. We ordered Lumpias with rice.

"I hope Boone can somehow beat Foreman,"said Gary.
"Sounds like he's a set up for Foreman."
"They're thinking that way I'm sure."
The waitress came over with two ice teas.
"I wish I could remember that guy he fought in Portland that night. He buckled Boone's knees. Thought Boone was finished."
Gary Young and Boone Kirkman trained together in Portland before Gary went into the Navy. After he got out,he married down here in San Diego and wound up teaching school for handicapped kids. He was still communicatng with Kirkman. Me and Gary had planned to watch Kirkman fight Foreman on television.

"If that guy could have landed another punch,he might have been fighting Foreman next week instead of Boone,"said Gary.
The waitress brought the plate of hot lumpias and steamed white rice.
"Boone has a punch. He's got a chance with Foreman,"Gary continued.
I didn't think Kirkman had much of a chance. He was going to fight in New York. Sure,Boone was big and strong,but George was bigger and stronger. Only a good boxer would give him problems,not another puncher.

"I guess I'll never come up with that other guy's name. He's forgotten,"sighed Gary.
We finshed eating.Gary grabbed the bill.
"So you can't remember his name,"I said. "That fight probably put Kirkman in the Garden with Foreman."

Outside the sun was beginning to fall below the harbor.
"We better get back to Ocean Beach ,"I said. "The traffic is going to get jammed on the freeway."
"I think I'll stay on the base,"said Gary."i'm going to call Boone tonight. I can call him for free."
"Then I'll see you here tomorrow?"
"Sure. Besides I can give you the name of that fighter that almost pulled the upset."

I took the harbor road back to Ocean Beach. I wanted to avoid the traffic. Driving home I tried to think of the fighters who had lost, and put their opponents in a big fight in a place like the Garden.
The Opponent . . .

The guy who Kirkman beat prior to Foreman was Amos "Big Train" Lincoln. Amos fought out of Portland and was a headliner in L.A. He was was also a puncher who could easily rock a guy like Kirkman back on his feet, no doubt. I knew Amos as a sparring partner for Sonny Liston, one who also fought the former heavyweight champ, twice.

"Big Train" was far down the tracks career wise when he faced Boone Kirkman in Seattle, 1970. I'll never forget watching Amos Lincoln boxing at the Main St. Gym, including a few sessions with Jerry Quarry. Quarry had big respect for the power of "Big Train". Shortly after this workout, I watched Amos get flattened in two rounds by Jimmy "King" Fletcher at the Olympic. I really wanted Lincoln to win that one.

After that fight, which took place 1967, Amos Lincoln just fought for a paycheck. He was friendly to me when I was a kid, and I overheard him speak of his days in the Sonny Liston camp before the second Ali fight.

Rest his soul.

-Rick Farris
Thanks Rick
At the gym the next day Gary Young said that the guy he was trying to remember was Lincoln. I knew of Amos,but I was unaware that he had fought Boone. Watching Foreman dismantle Kirkman later with Gary really got him down.
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dagosd2000 wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote:VICTORIES PASSED ON
"I can't remember the guy he fought," said Gary.
I had fininished sparring three with him. Dick Wood wanted to lock up the 32nd Street Gym. Said he needed to see a guy about some boxing equipment he had for sale.
"I don't know either. I thought you knew all the fighters around Portland."
"But this guy he fought was from out of state."
We put on our street clothes, got in the car,and drove a short ways to Loudres Family Restaurant on Broadway. Best Philippino food in the city.
The place was empty,so we had it to ourselves. The table in the back corner suited us fine. The waitress came over. We ordered Lumpias with rice.

"I hope Boone can somehow beat Foreman,"said Gary.
"Sounds like he's a set up for Foreman."
"They're thinking that way I'm sure."
The waitress came over with two ice teas.
"I wish I could remember that guy he fought in Portland that night. He buckled Boone's knees. Thought Boone was finished."
Gary Young and Boone Kirkman trained together in Portland before Gary went into the Navy. After he got out,he married down here in San Diego and wound up teaching school for handicapped kids. He was still communicatng with Kirkman. Me and Gary had planned to watch Kirkman fight Foreman on television.

"If that guy could have landed another punch,he might have been fighting Foreman next week instead of Boone,"said Gary.
The waitress brought the plate of hot lumpias and steamed white rice.
"Boone has a punch. He's got a chance with Foreman,"Gary continued.
I didn't think Kirkman had much of a chance. He was going to fight in New York. Sure,Boone was big and strong,but George was bigger and stronger. Only a good boxer would give him problems,not another puncher.

"I guess I'll never come up with that other guy's name. He's forgotten,"sighed Gary.
We finshed eating.Gary grabbed the bill.
"So you can't remember his name,"I said. "That fight probably put Kirkman in the Garden with Foreman."

Outside the sun was beginning to fall below the harbor.
"We better get back to Ocean Beach ,"I said. "The traffic is going to get jammed on the freeway."
"I think I'll stay on the base,"said Gary."i'm going to call Boone tonight. I can call him for free."
"Then I'll see you here tomorrow?"
"Sure. Besides I can give you the name of that fighter that almost pulled the upset."

I took the harbor road back to Ocean Beach. I wanted to avoid the traffic. Driving home I tried to think of the fighters who had lost, and put their opponents in a big fight in a place like the Garden.
The Opponent . . .

The guy who Kirkman beat prior to Foreman was Amos "Big Train" Lincoln. Amos fought out of Portland and was a headliner in L.A. He was was also a puncher who could easily rock a guy like Kirkman back on his feet, no doubt. I knew Amos as a sparring partner for Sonny Liston, one who also fought the former heavyweight champ, twice.

"Big Train" was far down the tracks career wise when he faced Boone Kirkman in Seattle, 1970. I'll never forget watching Amos Lincoln boxing at the Main St. Gym, including a few sessions with Jerry Quarry. Quarry had big respect for the power of "Big Train". Shortly after this workout, I watched Amos get flattened in two rounds by Jimmy "King" Fletcher at the Olympic. I really wanted Lincoln to win that one.

After that fight, which took place 1967, Amos Lincoln just fought for a paycheck. He was friendly to me when I was a kid, and I overheard him speak of his days in the Sonny Liston camp before the second Ali fight.

Rest his soul.

-Rick Farris
Thanks Rick
At the gym the next day Gary Young said that the guy he was trying to remember was Lincoln. I knew of Amos,but I was unaware that he had fought Boone. Watching Foreman dismantle Kirkman later with Gary really got him down.[/quot
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Roger . . . I can understand your friend's feelings. A fighter gets behind the careers of guys he's close with and some go to the top. As we know, Boone Kirkman was castrated by George Foreman. Today, George Foreman is considered "Good 'Ol George". However, when he fought Boone Kirkman, George Foreman was nothing more than a brooding, ass-hole bully that had found his nitch in life. He would later show his weaknesses when confronted with a true all-time great, Muhammad Ali. Ancient Ali, a bit shop worn with no air in his tires, had no power to keep off a power house like Foreman. In the end, it all came down to balls. Big George was one nut short of a pair, Ali had balls to spare.

In the case of Boone Kirkman, he'd have a chance in today's market, but, who wouldn't?

-Rick
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Our Pug . . .

You know, Brian. Your professional boxing record shows that you never learned how to lose. In addition being an unbeaten heavyweight, you flattened 75% of your opposition. Now, you are nine years younger than me, but it sounds like you never learned to how to lose a boxing match. Next month, five days before I turn 57, you will turn 48.

How about a tune-up with another oldster, Holyfield, and after you win then a shot at Valuev. Don't you just love it when your friends have things all figured out for your future. My interest is this, you win the title, and in five years we induct you into the WBHOF. We'll have all the gang there, all of us will stand up and speak on your behalf at the podium, and by the time that's over, we'll just head off to the bar and tell stories. You get a world title to put on your resume and we all have a great story to tell. The title fight will sell out Soldier Field, a bunch of Californian's will invade Chicago to root for their amigo. Bennie will fly in from England.

Think of it. It would really add an edge to this thread, huh? :TU:

-Rick
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Johnny Villaflor . . .

Last night, I pulled myself away from the "Twilight Zone" marathon and put in a video disc. I had a desire to watch a boxing master, a guy who could punch. In the fight I chose, I had two well matched fighters, both boxers who could bang.

It's been six decades since Ike Williams fought Enrique Bolanos at L.A.'s Wrigley Field. Frank Baltazar was ringside for all three matches held between 1946-49. I loved the fight, however, I can't get the opening of the video out of my mind. Screen credits rolled as the show began. A Supervising producer was "Suey Welch", my formr manager, and of course, Cal Eaton and Babe McCoy also were credited for their part in the promotion. I'm not familiar with the ring announcer, was it Dan Tobey?

As the challeneger, Enrique Bolanos was introduced, joining him to ring center for the instructions were his mgr. George Parnassus and trainer, Johnny Villaflor. The Filippino's dark hair was combed back slick, just as it would be nearly a quarter century later when he worked my corner, along with Mel Epstein in a 1972 match in Woodland Hills. Parnassus and Villaflor were middle-aged back when Ike fought Bolanos. They were old when I met them. I had no idea just how much I would one day value my memory of these men.

-Rick Farris
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That's Machen! You really captured him, Rog.
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Rick Farris wrote:Johnny Villaflor . . .

Last night, I pulled myself away from the "Twilight Zone" marathon and put in a video disc. I had a desire to watch a boxing master, a guy who could punch. In the fight I chose, I had two well matched fighters, both boxers who could bang.

It's been six decades since Ike Williams fought Enrique Bolanos at L.A.'s Wrigley Field. Frank Baltazar was ringside for all three matches held between 1946-49. I loved the fight, however, I can't get the opening of the video out of my mind. Screen credits rolled as the show began. A Supervising producer was "Suey Welch", my formr manager, and of course, Cal Eaton and Babe McCoy also were credited for their part in the promotion. I'm not familiar with the ring announcer, was it Dan Tobey?

As the challeneger, Enrique Bolanos was introduced, joining him to ring center for the instructions were his mgr. George Parnassus and trainer, Johnny Villaflor. The Filippino's dark hair was combed back slick, just as it would be nearly a quarter century later when he worked my corner, along with Mel Epstein in a 1972 match in Woodland Hills. Parnassus and Villaflor were middle-aged back when Ike fought Bolanos. They were old when I met them. I had no idea just how much I would one day value my memory of these men.

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Rick... that Johnny Villaflor on the right, Dan Tobey is on the left, thats was in 1949, when Enrique Bolanos got robbed against Maxie Docusen at the Olympic, another fight I seen live.
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Rick Farris wrote:Our Pug . . .

You know, Brian. Your professional boxing record shows that you never learned how to lose. In addition being an unbeaten heavyweight, you flattened 75% of your opposition. Now, you are nine years younger than me, but it sounds like you never learned to how to lose a boxing match. Next month, five days before I turn 57, you will turn 48.

How about a tune-up with another oldster, Holyfield, and after you win then a shot at Valuev. Don't you just love it when your friends have things all figured out for your future. My interest is this, you win the title, and in five years we induct you into the WBHOF. We'll have all the gang there, all of us will stand up and speak on your behalf at the podium, and by the time that's over, we'll just head off to the bar and tell stories. You get a world title to put on your resume and we all have a great story to tell. The title fight will sell out Soldier Field, a bunch of Californian's will invade Chicago to root for their amigo. Bennie will fly in from England.

Think of it. It would really add an edge to this thread, huh? :TU:

-Rick
God Bless you Rick.
You made my day.
What I would really love would be to see any of your fights at the Olympic back in the day.
I would also have loved to have seen Randys fight that Wide World of Sports televised.
I would also have loved being in the gym the day Rog got in there with Kenny Norton.
I would pay to watch a master cornerman like Frank work his sons corner.
These things would make me a happy man.

Hey, Im gonna compete in the National Veterans Freesyle Wrestling championships in Vegas in early April.
Im also gonna fight the National Judo Championships (masters) in San Diego in Mid April.
If any of you guys are free and wanna come out, lemme know.
We will have some laughs and tell some more great stories!
Dinner will be on me. :TU:



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kikibalt wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:
Expug wrote:Ernie Terrel for years was a promoter in Chicago after he retired.
He promoted a ton of small cards at Chicagos old Aaragon Ballroom through the seventies.
He literaly kept the sport alive during that period and built up some good prospects.
Ive met him once or twice and he seemed like a nice guy.
I always found it strange that he antagonised Ali before they fought.
Ernie seemed like the type of guy who would train and go about his buisness like the solid pro that he was.
Its surprising he got caught up in any kind of hype.
I wonder if there was more to the story.
Brian . . . Ernie usually attends all of the WBHOF banquets, but I didn't see him this year. I recall that in '07, Dan Hanley and I would run into him several times and were going to interview him. I recall he and Jimmy Ellis together at the previous banquet. Do you know anything about Ernie's sister? She was a great singer and replaced Diana Ross when Ross left the Supremes around 1970.

-Rick
Rick, I don't think she was Ernie Terrel's sister, Tammie Terrell was only her stage mame

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Nationality: United States
Executive summary: Singing partner with Marvin Gaye

A native of Philadelphia, Thomasina Montgomery was given her first opportunity to perform in public through the same venue as did many of the black musicians of her generation: the choir of her family's church. The daughter of politician Thomas Montgomery and actress Jennie Montgomery, "Tommie" (as her family called her) decided upon a future in the music field early in her life, undertaking lessons for voice, piano and dance by the time she had reached her teens. By age 11 she had won her first talent competition, and by 13 she was already performing as an opening act for established R&B artists such as Gary "U.S." Bonds and Patti LaBelle. Her talent eventually attracted the interest of producer Luther Dixon, who signed her to the New York-based Scepter/Wand Records in 1960; her debut single If You See Bill b/w It's Mine was released by the label the following year under the name "Tammy Montgomery" -- the change in her first name inspired by the popular Debbie Reynolds song. A second single The Voice of Experience b/w I Want'cha To Be Sure arrived early in 1962. Neither had much of an impact in the charts, and in her early career Montgomery's popularity was primarily centered around her concert performances.

The next to fall under the young singer's spell was soul icon James Brown, who signed her to his Try Me label after witnessing a performance at the Tan Playhouse in Philadelphia. Brown assumed production duties for her third single I Cried b/w If You Don't Think (1963), while also enlisting Montgomery as a member of his touring band. A romantic involvement is said to have developed between the two during their nine months on the road together, and was reportedly brought to an end through the intervention of the still-teenaged girl's parents. In 1964 one last single was released under her family name: If I Would Marry You b/w This Time Tommorrow on Checker Records. Chart success still remained elusive, and during this period Montgomery began to consider options outside of a career in music, enrolling as a Pre-Med student at the University of Pennsylvania. She never abandoned performing entirely, however, and in 1965 the singer hit the road as part of soul "Ice Man" Jerry Butler's ensemble.Berry Gordy, and before the end of the year she was added to the Motown stable of artists. In his usual hands-on manner, Gordy required her to modify her appearance and change her stage name to "Tammi Terrell", as he felt that her future as "Tammy Montogmery" had already reached an impasse; a series of singles under this new name were produced over the next two years (I Can't Believe You Love Me, Come On And See Me, This Old Heart Of Mine, Tears At The End Of A Love Affair), but only a few managed to crack the top 40. It wasn't until 1967 that Tammi Terrell finally achieved her breakthrough, courtesy of a pairing with labelmate Marvin Gaye (replacing his previous singing partner Kim Weston, who had herself replaced Mary Wells in 1964). The duo's first collaborative single, the Ashford and Simpson penned Ain't No Mountain High Enough, became an immediate hit, as did their first album United.

Between '67 and '69 the duo recorded two further albums (You're All I Need, 1968, and Easy, 1969) and released a string of high-charting singles (Your Precious Love, If I Could Build My Whole World Around You, Ain't Nothing Like the Real Thing, among several others). Almost as soon as her newfound success had arrived, however, it was overshadowed by complications with her health: persistant migranes the singer had been experiencing for some time finally resulted in a collapse while onstage with Gaye in 1967, and subsequent examinations revealed the presence of a cancerous tumor in her brain. Although her illness brought an end to her ability to perform live, she continued to record with Gaye and as a solo performer (Irresistible, 1968) until it was no longer physically possible. Apparently, it was neccessary for much of the two later Gaye/Terrell albums to be created by Gaye overdubbing onto existing Terrell tracks, and a number of songs on Easy had to be ghost-sung by producer Valerie Simpson. The still very young Terrell endured eight unsuccessful operations before the tumor finally claimed her life in March of 1970. Devastated by the loss of his musical partner, Gaye abandoned his own recording career for a year after her death, and did not resume live performance until 1972.
Thanks for the info Frank.
Man, all these years I had it wrong.I thought Tammi was Ernies sister. :oops:
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Expug wrote:Thanks for the info Frank.
Man, all these years I had it wrong.I thought Tammi was Ernies sister. :oops:
Pug...You're not the only one that thought that, I did too at one time, I found out about 20 years ago that she wasn't Ernie's sister.
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How many of you guys remember Nate Brooks?. He was a great amateur champion who didn't pan out as a pro, I seen his second fight with Billy Peacock at the Olympic in 1956 live.
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Expug wrote::TU:
Rick Farris wrote:Our Pug . . .

You know, Brian. Your professional boxing record shows that you never learned how to lose. In addition being an unbeaten heavyweight, you flattened 75% of your opposition. Now, you are nine years younger than me, but it sounds like you never learned to how to lose a boxing match. Next month, five days before I turn 57, you will turn 48.

How about a tune-up with another oldster, Holyfield, and after you win then a shot at Valuev. Don't you just love it when your friends have things all figured out for your future. My interest is this, you win the title, and in five years we induct you into the WBHOF. We'll have all the gang there, all of us will stand up and speak on your behalf at the podium, and by the time that's over, we'll just head off to the bar and tell stories. You get a world title to put on your resume and we all have a great story to tell. The title fight will sell out Soldier Field, a bunch of Californian's will invade Chicago to root for their amigo. Bennie will fly in from England.

Think of it. It would really add an edge to this thread, huh? :TU:

-Rick
God Bless you Rick.
You made my day.
What I would really love would be to see any of your fights at the Olympic back in the day.
I would also have loved to have seen Randys fight that Wide World of Sports televised.
I would also have loved being in the gym the day Rog got in there with Kenny Norton.
I would pay to watch a master cornerman like Frank work his sons corner.
These things would make me a happy man.

Hey, Im gonna compete in the National Veterans Freesyle Wrestling championships in Vegas in early April.
Im also gonna fight the National Judo Championships (masters) in San Diego in Mid April.
If any of you guys are free and wanna come out, lemme know.
We will have some laughs and tell some more great stories!
Dinner will be on me. :TU:



Brian
Monica & I will be there for the National Judo Championships in San Diego. That will be great!

-Rick
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Rick, thats outstanding.
It will be great to see the two of you.
The defending National champ in my division is a guy named John O'Malley.
I beat him in the Illinois State Championships in 2000.
He won the Gold last year and maybe the two of us will meet again in San Diego.
We were in the same bracket the last time I fought Nationals in 2003 (Vegas), but he took third (bronze) and I was eliminated earlier.
Gokor Chivichyan will probably have a strong crew there that will be fun to watch also.
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Expug wrote:Rick, thats outstanding.
It will be great to see the two of you.
The defending National champ in my division is a guy named John O'Malley.
I beat him in the Illinois State Championships in 2000.
He won the Gold last year and maybe the two of us will meet again in San Diego.
We were in the same bracket the last time I fought Nationals in 2003 (Vegas), but he took third (bronze) and I was eliminated earlier.
Gokor Chivichyan will probably have a strong crew there that will be fun to watch also.
That will be great. Looking foward to seeing Gokar's group, too. Does Gene LeBell show up at the Nationals?

-Rick
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Expug wrote:Rick, thats outstanding.
It will be great to see the two of you.
The defending National champ in my division is a guy named John O'Malley.
I beat him in the Illinois State Championships in 2000.
He won the Gold last year and maybe the two of us will meet again in San Diego.
We were in the same bracket the last time I fought Nationals in 2003 (Vegas), but he took third (bronze) and I was eliminated earlier.
Gokor Chivichyan will probably have a strong crew there that will be fun to watch also.
Brian,Monica and Rick
We'll all get together down here in San Diego to watch the Judo Championships.

Brian,let me know the exact dates you will be here. I'll see if I can find a room at my place that will save you some money.I'm always getting unannounced visitors.

After Brian wins,dinner is on me at Jack and Julio's(great Italian food).

Then we'll leave Maria and Monica to talk girl talk,and then the boys will celebrate at the Boom Boom Club. I'll have a table recerved. :D :D :D
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