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Dongee wrote:Rick:
That same thing happened to the great Henry Armstrong and right here in the good old U.S.A. back in the dark ages of the Golden Era at a whistle stop called Pismo Beach. In a close bout with a newcomer from the Philippines (Kid Moro), Henry was awarded the decision as all hell broke out among a hugely partisan crowd that soon turned into a frenzied mob, according to press reports.

An intimidated official then declared the bout a draw, but as soon as everyone was out of earshot the win for Henry was reinstated. As far as I know, and I have not checked this out recently, that draw verdict has been made to stand through the years. The two men fought again, a draw bout in Stockton, if memory serves.

hap navarro
Hap . . . Very interesting and thanks for the info on Armstrong. Monica and I spent Xmas in Paso Robles visiting my mother and driving up the coast we passed by Pismo Beach. That whistle stop sure has grown in recent years. I appreciate knowing the great Armstrong fought there, and best of all the controversial result. It will likely cross my mind each time see Pismo Beach.

-Rick
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Randyman wrote:Guys, today, January 2, 2009 marks my 30th year with Boeing Aircraft. When I started on January 2 of 1979 it was still McDonnell Douglas. In 1996 Boeing bought us out and it has been a downhill run for us ever since. I started as an aircraft mechanic but over the years I have been a lead man, Manager/Supervisor, Quality Coordinator and a Project Manager for specific one time tasks, such as the FAA and Qasar Audits. I have worked on the DC-9/Md-80's, DC-10/Md-11's, the U.S. Air Force's Kc-10 and Boeing's 737. For the last ten years I have been working on the Air Force's Globemaster C-17, the finest aircraft I have ever had the privilege of working on. I still take a certain pride when I see one of our aircraft in the news or flying overhead. Prior to coming to McDonnell Douglas, I worked on the A-10 and F-15 fighter aircraft at Sargent Fletcher Co.

It's been a good career and I have met and made life long friends. A moment that will always stand out for me is the May 25, 1979 DC-10 crash at Chicago's O'Hare Airport. I had been working here about seven months. When the news broke about the crash, women were literally crying and the men were stunned. It was a sobering and somber moment. It was the sense of responsibility that hit me. It never left me. I learned to take the quality of my work seriously.

Though it was not the career I had planned for myself, I have no compaints. I bought my home, raised my family and have had a good life, courtesy of McDonnell Douglas and Boeing Companies. It has been a good living.

Below are few photos of myself, the job and the Air Force C-17 and KC-10 Extender.


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This photo is from 1979. I was 24 at the time and working on the DC-10. The aircraft in the background in an MD-80.

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This photo is from 1987, I was 33 when this photo was taken I was the lead man for this crew. You might not recognize me. I'm front and center wearing the Rick's shirt. We were working on the MD-80. The man standing second from the far left with the white shirt and beard is Bobby DeWitt, the best boss I have ever worked for. He was a former professional auto racer of some type.

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A typical day on the MD-11, in Long Beach.

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The KC-10 Extender

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The C-17 Globemaster III
These are great shots, Randy. :TU:
Congratulations on 30 years with Boeing Randy.
They have been lucky to have you with them my friend. Very Lucky.
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Rick Farris wrote:Gyms . . .

I've only been to a couple pro boxing gyms in L.A. during the past few years. I visit them to see a few old friends and few new ones. There is always some interesting talk when I go. Crossing paths with Frankie Duarte at Freddie Roach's WILDCARD GYM always leads to a trip down memory lane. We jump into a time machine that takes us to Stanford St. just south of 7th downtown; the Teamsters Gym, memories of Louie J. And we always drop into the Olympic Auditorium and reflect on the "powder blue ring canvas and ropes." In our minds, at least. Frankie has a memory beyond belief, he's sharp and likes to laugh. What a warrior he was.

When Freddie is around, we talk if he's behind the counter. Roach loves Ruben Olivares stories, and I have a few. He also tells me of growing up in Boston, the projects, his father, brothers. We don't talk fights much. He lets me in on things he experienced with Eddie Futch and Eddie's former welter contender, Hedgeman Lewis. I like Freddie Roach and respect him. I think he does things right, he got charator in a world absence of such a quality. His brother Pep didn't reach the level of success that Freddie did in the ring, had a life of ups and downs. Pep is a cut up, as are Roach's entire crew of gym rats. It's like something out of a Dead End kids movie.

Of course, Freddie is the world's premiere trainer today, and in Hollywood that's trendy. A lot of high profile actors and models, men and women hang out there, pay Pep or one of the others to hold the pads for them. James Toney & Manny Pac train there. Actually, today Toney trains at trainer Joe Goossen's Ten Goose Boxing Gym in Van Nuys. I don't know when Toney split with Roach, but some of these guys don't want to share a trainer. Roach doesn't need Toney, either.

Goosen's gym is the other I visit. I've known Joe since the mid-80's, when he had Michael Nunn and Duarte and was the new kid on the block of boxing trainers. Joe's gym is more private, not open to the public. Basically it's a pros only gym, with only a few amateurs working there. Joe developed the Ruelas brother. I'll go into say hello to Joe, and he'll bring me up to date on what's going on. Last time I was there, Joe was giving private lesson to well known comic celebrity. Good to cash in on your name when you can.

These are real boxing gyms, Freddie's has the most atmosphere, but it ain't the Main St. Gym. I have no interest in going down to what was once Jake Shagrues 78th & Hoover St. Gym. I wouldn't know anybody. Today I won't see Mando Ramos, or Jackie McCoy, Scrap Iron Johnson. Not even Shagrue was around during his last days in boxing, and he's been dead for decades. Jake last worked out of the Seaside Gym in Long Beach. Broadway Gym? I might go down there one day, but not without a reaon. East LA? I was there in the 90's to the Brooklym Gym. I might stop by Ressurection to see what improvments Oscar made with his seven figure investment a few years back.

You know, we don't have to let L.A. boxing roll over like a dead pig in the sunshine. Do we? In the "Rule Book of Life" it might say that we do, but I've never seen that book.

-Rick Farris
Rick , I enjoy your descriptions of these gyms.
I think we have in common a feel for the atmosphere of things.
There are a couple of new gyms here in Chicago that seem to cater to the beautiful people crowd.There are a few decent fighters training there, but , there are also white collar boxers, athletes from other sports, celebs, etc.
See, like you, and Im sure the other guys here , Randy, Rog, etc, that isnt really the atmosphere of a boxing gym that we are accustomed to.
I looked for only one thing in a boxing gym. Fighters that were at least as good as I was and most likely better, for me to get in there with and improve.Now if the place had that, and it was rough looking and in a neighborhood you wouldnt want to be in when the sun set, it was a real boxing gym. :wink:
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Rick Farris wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Image
The Lodge . . .

I'll miss the place. I'll miss the people, and the atmosphere. It was not a dark, creepy bar. You looked out to ponds and tropical, rustic beauty. Joe was usually there when I showed up, and he knew boxing like we do. Boxing was never a boring conversation with Joe, or Tino, a retired Mexican politician now living in the Valley. Talking with Tino took me below the border and back to the days of Saldivar, Medel, Napoles, even Beccera.

I'll also miss the girls . . . Cristina, a 26-year-old aspiring singer with a college degree in pre-med. Cris gave up a career in medicine, leaving her home in Maryland with a band and headed west. After a few gigs in L.A. the band broke up and Crissy V (her stage name) took a job waiting tables and eventually behind the bar at the Lodge. Cristina was born in Panama and came to America when she was five. She was a jock thruout her youth and had a love of boxing and kick boxing, which she was involved with when we met. Of course, I had to show her to box properly and I did. That girl can fight and she will be my ace-in-the-hole when the day comes I interview Roberto Duran, or any of the Panamanians. She knows about all of them, and I believe with her camera friendly looks, understanding of the Panamanian culture, knowledge of the fighters and great voice, she might enhance an interview? We'll see? She's recently taped her first music video. Gwen Adair met and loved her. We'll see what the future brings. Cristina well have a bright one, her energy is right.

Kittiya is from Thailand, late 20's, has a 13-year-old daughter. Like Cristina, she's a drop dead knockout, "Kitty" as she's called by those not willing to take the time to learn how a persons name is pronounced, spends everyday working. When not at the Lodge Kittiya was either attending beauty school, which she recently graduated from, or watching over her own hair and beauty salon on Sunset Blvd. in the Silverlake area. She works 7 days a week, takes care of her daughter who is in middle school. Kittiya's face often shows the fatigue of a mother packing ten days into a seven day week. She's positive, focused and driven. Sometimes she'd just like to lay down and sleep for a week. She must now find something else to supplement her income. She will survive. Kittiya is more than a surviver, she knows how to work and what to do. I wish her happiness.

I'd go the Sportsman's Lodge for the talk, the girls, the beer, the girls, watch a game, the girls . . . a place to breath. When I married, I had less time to go and less reason. Monica knows my friends, she knows me, she knows what I need, and who I am. I'd drop in every week or two, visit with my amigos. For me, the Sportsman's Lodge was the right place at the right time. Just as my life has moved on, so has the Lodge.

-Rick
Man, I love places like this.They have heart and character.
What a shame its closing up.
The people, the laughs, the stories.Priceless.
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Expug wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:Gyms . . .

I've only been to a couple pro boxing gyms in L.A. during the past few years. I visit them to see a few old friends and few new ones. There is always some interesting talk when I go. Crossing paths with Frankie Duarte at Freddie Roach's WILDCARD GYM always leads to a trip down memory lane. We jump into a time machine that takes us to Stanford St. just south of 7th downtown; the Teamsters Gym, memories of Louie J. And we always drop into the Olympic Auditorium and reflect on the "powder blue ring canvas and ropes." In our minds, at least. Frankie has a memory beyond belief, he's sharp and likes to laugh. What a warrior he was.

When Freddie is around, we talk if he's behind the counter. Roach loves Ruben Olivares stories, and I have a few. He also tells me of growing up in Boston, the projects, his father, brothers. We don't talk fights much. He lets me in on things he experienced with Eddie Futch and Eddie's former welter contender, Hedgeman Lewis. I like Freddie Roach and respect him. I think he does things right, he got charator in a world absence of such a quality. His brother Pep didn't reach the level of success that Freddie did in the ring, had a life of ups and downs. Pep is a cut up, as are Roach's entire crew of gym rats. It's like something out of a Dead End kids movie.

Of course, Freddie is the world's premiere trainer today, and in Hollywood that's trendy. A lot of high profile actors and models, men and women hang out there, pay Pep or one of the others to hold the pads for them. James Toney & Manny Pac train there. Actually, today Toney trains at trainer Joe Goossen's Ten Goose Boxing Gym in Van Nuys. I don't know when Toney split with Roach, but some of these guys don't want to share a trainer. Roach doesn't need Toney, either.

Goosen's gym is the other I visit. I've known Joe since the mid-80's, when he had Michael Nunn and Duarte and was the new kid on the block of boxing trainers. Joe's gym is more private, not open to the public. Basically it's a pros only gym, with only a few amateurs working there. Joe developed the Ruelas brother. I'll go into say hello to Joe, and he'll bring me up to date on what's going on. Last time I was there, Joe was giving private lesson to well known comic celebrity. Good to cash in on your name when you can.

These are real boxing gyms, Freddie's has the most atmosphere, but it ain't the Main St. Gym. I have no interest in going down to what was once Jake Shagrues 78th & Hoover St. Gym. I wouldn't know anybody. Today I won't see Mando Ramos, or Jackie McCoy, Scrap Iron Johnson. Not even Shagrue was around during his last days in boxing, and he's been dead for decades. Jake last worked out of the Seaside Gym in Long Beach. Broadway Gym? I might go down there one day, but not without a reaon. East LA? I was there in the 90's to the Brooklym Gym. I might stop by Ressurection to see what improvments Oscar made with his seven figure investment a few years back.

You know, we don't have to let L.A. boxing roll over like a dead pig in the sunshine. Do we? In the "Rule Book of Life" it might say that we do, but I've never seen that book.

-Rick Farris
Rick , I enjoy your descriptions of these gyms.
I think we have in common a feel for the atmosphere of things.
There are a couple of new gyms here in Chicago that seem to cater to the beautiful people crowd.There are a few decent fighters training there, but , there are also white collar boxers, athletes from other sports, celebs, etc.
See, like you, and Im sure the other guys here , Randy, Rog, etc, that isnt really the atmosphere of a boxing gym that we are accustomed to.
I looked for only one thing in a boxing gym. Fighters that were at least as good as I was and most likely better, for me to get in there with and improve.Now if the place had that, and it was rough looking and in a neighborhood you wouldnt want to be in when the sun set, it was a real boxing gym. :wink:
Exactly so. Well said, Pug.
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Rick Farris wrote:
Dongee wrote:Rick:
That same thing happened to the great Henry Armstrong and right here in the good old U.S.A. back in the dark ages of the Golden Era at a whistle stop called Pismo Beach. In a close bout with a newcomer from the Philippines (Kid Moro), Henry was awarded the decision as all hell broke out among a hugely partisan crowd that soon turned into a frenzied mob, according to press reports.

An intimidated official then declared the bout a draw, but as soon as everyone was out of earshot the win for Henry was reinstated. As far as I know, and I have not checked this out recently, that draw verdict has been made to stand through the years. The two men fought again, a draw bout in Stockton, if memory serves.

hap navarro
Hap . . . Very interesting and thanks for the info on Armstrong. Monica and I spent Xmas in Paso Robles visiting my mother and driving up the coast we passed by Pismo Beach. That whistle stop sure has grown in recent years. I appreciate knowing the great Armstrong fought there, and best of all the controversial result. It will likely cross my mind each time see Pismo Beach.

-Rick
Rick:
You were about 15 miles from where I live now in Santa Maria. One of the feature stories in my phantom book on California boxing is all about Pismo Beach and the part it played in the developing of western boxing from 1925 on.

The place has a very special niche in my memory bank because I attended a couple of shows in the tiny arena at Pismo back in the mid-1930s.
Pismo, Watsonville, Ventura, El Rio were busy boxing burgs some 75 years ago as were El Centro, Brawley and Calexico in the southern part of our state.

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Dongee wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:
Dongee wrote:Rick:
That same thing happened to the great Henry Armstrong and right here in the good old U.S.A. back in the dark ages of the Golden Era at a whistle stop called Pismo Beach. In a close bout with a newcomer from the Philippines (Kid Moro), Henry was awarded the decision as all hell broke out among a hugely partisan crowd that soon turned into a frenzied mob, according to press reports.

An intimidated official then declared the bout a draw, but as soon as everyone was out of earshot the win for Henry was reinstated. As far as I know, and I have not checked this out recently, that draw verdict has been made to stand through the years. The two men fought again, a draw bout in Stockton, if memory serves.

hap navarro
Hap . . . Very interesting and thanks for the info on Armstrong. Monica and I spent Xmas in Paso Robles visiting my mother and driving up the coast we passed by Pismo Beach. That whistle stop sure has grown in recent years. I appreciate knowing the great Armstrong fought there, and best of all the controversial result. It will likely cross my mind each time see Pismo Beach.

-Rick
Rick:
You were about 15 miles from where I live now in Santa Maria. One of the feature stories in my phantom book on California boxing is all about Pismo Beach and the part it played in the developing of western boxing from 1925 on.

The place has a very special niche in my memory bank because I attended a couple of shows in the tiny arena at Pismo back in the mid-1930s.
Pismo, Watsonville, Ventura, El Rio were busy boxing burgs some 75 years ago as were El Centro, Brawley and Calexico in the southern part of our state.

hap navarro
Believe it or not, as Monica and I passed thru Santa Maria we stopped for gas. I told her, this is where my friend Hap Navarro lives. When I pass thru the Ventura area, I think of El Rio, and what you had written about it in stories past. You would be surprised just how much I learned and remember from those great stories. I remember everything, its what opened the door to California boxing history for me. The true history of eras before mine. The foundation of my era.

Thanks, Hap!

-Rick
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Expug wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Image
The Lodge . . .

I'll miss the place. I'll miss the people, and the atmosphere. It was not a dark, creepy bar. You looked out to ponds and tropical, rustic beauty. Joe was usually there when I showed up, and he knew boxing like we do. Boxing was never a boring conversation with Joe, or Tino, a retired Mexican politician now living in the Valley. Talking with Tino took me below the border and back to the days of Saldivar, Medel, Napoles, even Beccera.

I'll also miss the girls . . . Cristina, a 26-year-old aspiring singer with a college degree in pre-med. Cris gave up a career in medicine, leaving her home in Maryland with a band and headed west. After a few gigs in L.A. the band broke up and Crissy V (her stage name) took a job waiting tables and eventually behind the bar at the Lodge. Cristina was born in Panama and came to America when she was five. She was a jock thruout her youth and had a love of boxing and kick boxing, which she was involved with when we met. Of course, I had to show her to box properly and I did. That girl can fight and she will be my ace-in-the-hole when the day comes I interview Roberto Duran, or any of the Panamanians. She knows about all of them, and I believe with her camera friendly looks, understanding of the Panamanian culture, knowledge of the fighters and great voice, she might enhance an interview? We'll see? She's recently taped her first music video. Gwen Adair met and loved her. We'll see what the future brings. Cristina well have a bright one, her energy is right.

Kittiya is from Thailand, late 20's, has a 13-year-old daughter. Like Cristina, she's a drop dead knockout, "Kitty" as she's called by those not willing to take the time to learn how a persons name is pronounced, spends everyday working. When not at the Lodge Kittiya was either attending beauty school, which she recently graduated from, or watching over her own hair and beauty salon on Sunset Blvd. in the Silverlake area. She works 7 days a week, takes care of her daughter who is in middle school. Kittiya's face often shows the fatigue of a mother packing ten days into a seven day week. She's positive, focused and driven. Sometimes she'd just like to lay down and sleep for a week. She must now find something else to supplement her income. She will survive. Kittiya is more than a surviver, she knows how to work and what to do. I wish her happiness.

I'd go the Sportsman's Lodge for the talk, the girls, the beer, the girls, watch a game, the girls . . . a place to breath. When I married, I had less time to go and less reason. Monica knows my friends, she knows me, she knows what I need, and who I am. I'd drop in every week or two, visit with my amigos. For me, the Sportsman's Lodge was the right place at the right time. Just as my life has moved on, so has the Lodge.

-Rick
Man, I love places like this.They have heart and character.
What a shame its closing up.
The people, the laughs, the stories.Priceless.
Brian . . . A side note regarding the Sportsman's Lodge. For many years Don Fraser used the place to hold the annual California Boxing Hall of Fame banquet. In 2007, I had the honor of being in the house the day that our Frank Baltazar Sr. was inducted into the California HOF. The previous year, our Hap Navarro was inducted, taking his place among the legends of California boxing. Inducted along with Hap in 2006, were Frank's sons, Frankie Jr. and Tony.

In 1971, a year after I'd turned professional, the L.A. Diamond Belt tournament held an evening of eliminations at the Lodge. A couple of my "open division" amateur buddies fought that night. So the Lodge had a boxing connection, and I might add, that sometime around 1970, "Irish" Frankie Crawford flattened two Film Industry "Stunt Men" in the parking lot. The fall guys were under the belief that a professional boxer was no match for "streetfighter". Crawford changed their opinions. :TU:

-Rick Farris
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Dongee wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:
Dongee wrote:Rick:
That same thing happened to the great Henry Armstrong and right here in the good old U.S.A. back in the dark ages of the Golden Era at a whistle stop called Pismo Beach. In a close bout with a newcomer from the Philippines (Kid Moro), Henry was awarded the decision as all hell broke out among a hugely partisan crowd that soon turned into a frenzied mob, according to press reports.

An intimidated official then declared the bout a draw, but as soon as everyone was out of earshot the win for Henry was reinstated. As far as I know, and I have not checked this out recently, that draw verdict has been made to stand through the years. The two men fought again, a draw bout in Stockton, if memory serves.

hap navarro

Hap . . . Very interesting and thanks for the info on Armstrong. Monica and I spent Xmas in Paso Robles visiting my mother and driving up the coast we passed by Pismo Beach. That whistle stop sure has grown in recent years. I appreciate knowing the great Armstrong fought there, and best of all the controversial result. It will likely cross my mind each time see Pismo Beach.

-Rick
Rick:
You were about 15 miles from where I live now in Santa Maria. One of the feature stories in my phantom book on California boxing is all about Pismo Beach and the part it played in the developing of western boxing from 1925 on.

The place has a very special niche in my memory bank because I attended a couple of shows in the tiny arena at Pismo back in the mid-1930s.
Pismo, Watsonville, Ventura, El Rio were busy boxing burgs some 75 years ago as were El Centro, Brawley and Calexico in the southern part of our state.

hap navarro
Some good fighters came out of the little town of Guadalupe too, back in the day... :box:
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Dongee wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:
Dongee wrote:Rick:
That same thing happened to the great Henry Armstrong and right here in the good old U.S.A. back in the dark ages of the Golden Era at a whistle stop called Pismo Beach. In a close bout with a newcomer from the Philippines (Kid Moro), Henry was awarded the decision as all hell broke out among a hugely partisan crowd that soon turned into a frenzied mob, according to press reports.

An intimidated official then declared the bout a draw, but as soon as everyone was out of earshot the win for Henry was reinstated. As far as I know, and I have not checked this out recently, that draw verdict has been made to stand through the years. The two men fought again, a draw bout in Stockton, if memory serves.

hap navarro
Hap . . . Very interesting and thanks for the info on Armstrong. Monica and I spent Xmas in Paso Robles visiting my mother and driving up the coast we passed by Pismo Beach. That whistle stop sure has grown in recent years. I appreciate knowing the great Armstrong fought there, and best of all the controversial result. It will likely cross my mind each time see Pismo Beach.

-Rick
Rick:
You were about 15 miles from where I live now in Santa Maria. One of the feature stories in my phantom book on California boxing is all about Pismo Beach and the part it played in the developing of western boxing from 1925 on.

The place has a very special niche in my memory bank because I attended a couple of shows in the tiny arena at Pismo back in the mid-1930s.
Pismo, Watsonville, Ventura, El Rio were busy boxing burgs some 75 years ago as were El Centro, Brawley and Calexico in the southern part of our state.

hap navarro
Hap . . . Anything you have to offer regarding boxing at Pismo Beach would be appreciated. I'm familiar with the area, as well as further south, Ventura. I notice that Armstrong's opponent was a Fillipino. I'm aware of the strong presence of Fillipino boxers during that era and it seems to have been most apparent in the northern part of the state. Stockton, etc. Am I correct? Or was the Fllipino boxing population as strong in the Los Angeles area?

By the way, I looked into the Armstrong-Moro bouts and both are listed as "draws". A footnote to the first bout refers to the change of result, and also noted that the referee was given police protection from the angry crowd. I enjoyed this story, from the early years of Armstrong's great career. Thanks.

-Rick Farris
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Babe Griffin . . .

Hap, in 1975 I fought in Northern California. The bout was on a card promoted by Babe Griffin at the Circle Star Theatre in Redwood City. My manager at the time, Mel Epstein, knew Griffin very well. Do you have any memories of Babe?

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Jose Napoles; Was He Too Good For His Own Good?
By Jim Amato

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The late 1960’s and early 1970’s produced some of the finest, most dominant champions ever. While Ali, Frazier and Foreman were taking turns ruling the heavyweights, other divisions found themselves under the supreme rule of a certain superior boxer.
At light heavyweight “Bad” Bob Foster was the sheriff in town. When Vincente Rondon disputed that fact he was gunned down in two rounds.

At middleweight Carlos Monzon truly was the “King”. He turned back the challenges of such fine fighters as Nino Benvenuti, Emile Griffith and Bennie Briscoe to name a few. After twice defeating the talented Rodrigo Valdez, Carlos retired with his crown in tact.

Antonio Cervantes attained ” legendary” status as he established himself as one of the greatest 140-pound rulers of all time.

Roberto Duran…Just the mere mention of the name is associated with greatness. At lightweight his fists, the “Hands Of Stone” created havoc with any would be challengers. Only the outstanding Esteban DeJesus was able to compete with Roberto.

Then at bantamweight was the dynamic Rock-A-Bye Ruben Olivares. His happy go lucky gap tooth smile belied his devastating power. Only a wonderful little fighting machine named Jesus “Chu Chu” Castillo was able to compete with a prime Olivares. One has to wonder where DeJesus and Castillo would be among the fistic Gods if it wasn’t for Roberto Duran and Ruben Olivares. I guess the same could be said for Rodrigo Valdez.

Then there was this smooth boxing but murderous puncher who defected from his homeland of Cuba. He moved to Mexico and his fistic prowess led to him being adopted as a national hero. He was a top ranking lightweight and junior welterweight but when he was unable to secure a title shot in either of those weight classes, he set his sights on the welterweight division.
The proud and classy welterweight titleholder agreed to put his title on the line against this feared and avoided fighter. Curtis Cokes would pay dearly for putting his title up for grabs. After over a dozen painful rounds Curtis relinquished his title to Jose Napoles. Thus began a reign that would establish Napoles as one of the greatest fighters ever to lace on the gloves.

He began his professional career in his native Cuba in 1958 as a spy eighteen year old. In the early 60’s he invaded his future homeland of Mexico. He quickly established himself as a fighter of promise and by 1964 he was a bonafide contender. He kayoed the feared Carlos Hernandez. In 1965 he outscored Eddie Perkins and took out Adolph Pruitt in three rounds. By now he had put himself in a position of being too good for his own good. The champions at the time seemed very unwilling to give Napoles a crack at the crown.

In 1966 Jose was upset by Youngstown, Ohio standout L.C. Morgan. Jose had two earlier victories over Morgan. Napoles would beat Morgan again in a 1967 return match.

Jose finally made his United States debut in 1968 when he landed in Los Angeles and blasted out Leroy Roberts in the first round. He returned later in the year to take out Des Rea in five.

On April 18, 1969 Jose Napoles defeated the game Curtis Cokes to capture the welterweight championship of the world. The gracious new title holer would give Cokes a chance to regain his old title Napoles would again prove to be Cokes’ master and Jose would again win by knockout. Jose closed the year by turning back the challenge of former champion Emile Griffith. The clear-cut win over the still fomidible Griffith made
Napoles a star. In 1970 he held off the challenge of the popular and highly regarded Ernie Lopez.

Then on December 3rd, 1970 Billy Backus upset Jose to capture the title. Six months later Jose regained the title as he battered Backus in to submission. Jose closed 1971 with a hard earned decision over the speedy and clever Hedgemon Lewis.

1972 and 1973 would see Jose reel off five successful defenses. Among his victims was Ernie Lopez who he nearly decapitated in the seventh round. Jose also won a hard fought decision over rugged Canadian contender Clyde Gray.

On February 9th, 1974 Jose moved up in weight to challenge the great Monzon for the middleweight title. Although this was a highly anticipated pairing, Carlos proved to be too big and too strong for Jose halting him in the seventh. Undaunted, Jose came right back in August to halt archenemy Hedgemon Lewis. He closed the year by taking out Horatio Saldano in three rounds,

Although Jose was still on top you could begin to see the cracks in the armour. Next came a near loss to the outstanding Armando Muniz that went into the books as a technical win for Jose. Four months later Jose did what any great boxer would do; he beat Muniz handily in a rematch to prove he was the better man.

In Jose’s next bout he had the very capable John H. Stracey of England down in the first round but could not finish him off. Stracey went on to overwhelm the aging champion ending matters in the sixth round. Napoles knew that there was no sense in carrying on. Jose hung up the gloves for good.

Napoles had 84-recorded bouts and he only lost eight times. Fifty-four foes failed to last the distance with Jose. “Mantequilla”, smooth as butter was his nick name. It was a fitting one. He made everything look so easy and effortless. He had a stinging jab. He had fearsome power. He threw effortless combinations. As good as he was at welterweight he may have been a better lightweight. When I think of Jose Napoles I think “greatness”. Nothing more. Nothing less.
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CURTIS COKES
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He may have been one of the best pound for pound boxers of the 1960’s but he was over shadowed by the antics of one Cassius Clay / Muhammad Ali. He may have been the best fighter in the welterweight division during the decade but he never had a chance to prove it against Emile Griffith. Instead he labored in the back round, fighting and beating all comers. Only after Griffith moved up to middleweight and allowed him to capture the vacated title did Curtis Cokes gain some long over due recognition.

Curtis who never had an amateur fight began his professional career in Midland, Texas on March 24, 1958 outscoring Manuel Gonzalez over six rounds. Curtis and Manuel would get to know each other a lot better in years to come. Curtis was born on June 15, 1937 in Dallas, Texas. He would go on to win his next ten fights including an eight rounder over Gonzalez. Finally in April of 1959, one year after turning pro Curtis suffered his first career loss to none other then Manuel Gonzalez. A no contest in a match with the talented Rip Randall set up a rematch. Curtis took out Randall in the first round. Later in the year Curtis would drop a six round duke to Frankie Davis.

Cokes won four fights in 1960. In 1961 he moved up the ladder with big wins over Joe Miceli and Charley ” Tombstone ” Smith. Cokes then dropped a decision in Mexico to Hilario Morales. He then fought a draw with the clever Kenny Lane in Dallas. Back in Dallas two months later Curtis scored a huge win with a split decision over the highly respected Luis Rodriguez. Cokes would then meet and again decision Manny Gonzalez but would lose points call to Rodriguez in a return match.

Curtis would bounce back in 1962 with five straight wins including knockouts over Hilario Morales and the rugged Rudolph Bent. Another trip to Mexico cost him another defeat. This times a decision to Manuel Sixto Alvarez. Four more wins led to a 1963 clash at the Sunnyside Garden in New York against contender Jose Stable. Curtis lost a very close

decision. Cokes would then outpoint the very tough Stan Harrington. On May 1, 1964 Curtis travelled to the Blue Horizon in Philadelphia to meet the dangerous Stan ” Kitten ” Hayward. He would suffer a major set back as Hayward stopped Cokes in round four.

It was back to the drawing board for Curtis. Two decision wins over Al Andrews got him back on track but he dropped a ten rounder to the slick Eddie Pace. On December 13, 1965 Curtis won the Southern Welterweight title with a twelve round decision over Billy Collins. On July 6, 1966 Cokes stopped Luis Rodriguez one minute in to the fifteenth and final round of an eliminination bout for the welterweight title vacated by Emile Griffith.

Seven weeks after his win over Rodriguez, Cokes met old rival Manuel Gonzalez for the WBA version of the welterweight title. The battle took place in New Orleans. Curtis floored Gonzalez on his way to a lopsided decision and a world’s championship. In November Cokes outclassed Frenchman Jean Josselin to win universal recognition as welterweight champion. Still many felt that Cokes was the champ only because Griffith had vacated the division. Curtis would go on to prove himself a worthy champion.

In early 1967 Curtis would have three non-title affairs. First he drew with Francious Pavilla. He knocked out Ted Whitfield but then the wily Gypsy Joe Harris outpointed Curtis. Finally Cokes defended his title halting Pavilla in a return bout. Next came a very impressive stoppage of sharp contender Charlie Shipes. Two non-title wins in early 1968 over Josselin and Jimmy Lester led to a defense in Dallas against South African contender Willie Ludick. An inspired Cokes flattened Ludick in the fifth round. Three non-title knockouts in South Africa followed including a repeat performance over Ludick. Then came a one-sided title-retaining verdict over Ramon La Cruz.

Jose Napoles, a Cuban who had migrated to Mexico years before had long been considered one of the best fighters in the business. Still he had never received a shot at a world title. Curtis Cokes was a proud man and a proud champion. He felt he was the best welterweight in the world. He also knew that Napoles was a very worthy contender and that he deserved a shot at the title. They met at the Forum in Inglewood, California on April 18, 1969. On that day Napoles proved to the world that he was a special fighter. Jose out fought and battered the game Cokes throughout using a remarkable jab and bone jarring combinations. Hopelessly behind on points Curtis did not answer the bell for round fourteen and his belt was awarded to Napoles.

Maybe it was just a bad night but Curtis had to know so he went down to Mexico two months later to attempt to reclaim his championship. Again Napoles proved to be too much for the game Cokes and the bout was ended after ten rounds. Curtis would return seven months later as a full-fledged middleweight. Cokes had hoped that old rival Luis Rodriguez would defeat middleweight king Nino Benvenuti when they met on November 22, 1969. Curtis was confident that Rodriguez would give him a crack at the middleweight title. After ten rounds Rodriguez had Benvenuti bleeding and bewildered and it looked like Luis was going to take the crown and then just like that, it was over. A crashing left hook put Rodriguez flat on his back for the count as the bleeding Benvenuti retained his crown.

With little hope of a title shot Curtis still campaigned as a middleweight. He won four bouts but then drew with Akron’s Fate Davis, a fighter he defeated seven months earlier. Cokes then lost decisions to Rafael Gutierrez and Carlos Salinas on the West Coast. Then he lost to Elijah Makathini in South Africa. By now it was 1972 and Carlos Monzon was firmly entrenched as middleweight king. There would be little interest in a bout between the great Monzon and the aging Cokes. Curtis returned to South Africa and won decisions over Joseph Hali and Ezra Mzinyane and then retired.

In 80 bouts Curtis put together a fine 62-14-3 record with one no contest. He won thirty fights by knockout. He was stopped only three times. He met the best welterweights of his era other then Emile Griffith.Curtis was inducted into the International Boxing Hall Of Fame in 2003 with the help of mutual friend Steve Canton, I was able to reach Mr. Cokes and have a very nice conversation with him. I contacted him at his gym where he trains boxers. Curtis once trained highly regarded heavyweights Ike Ibeabuchi and Kirk Johnson. He also guided Quincy Taylor to the middleweight title. He also appeared in the boxing movie classic ” Fat City “.

Curtis was extremely courteous and giving with his time. He said even though he and Manny Gonzalez met in the ring numerous times, they were very good friends. Curtis had a tremendous amount of respect for Luis Rodriguez and despite their battles they always maintained a friendly relationship. I asked him if he regretted never meeting Emile Griffith in the ring. Curtis more or less said that he had no control on Emile’s decision to move up in weight. Did he feel he could have defeated Emile? In his low key, respectful manner Mr.Cokes just stated he felt that he was capable of beating any welterweight in the world during his prime but he had a great respect for Emile’s talent and that they are friends. He said the knockout loss to Stan Hayward in 1964 took him by surprise but he just put it behind him and moved on. He called Napoles a great fighter who he was just unable to overcome. Curtis really felt that if Rodriguez had defeated Benvenuti, they would have met again. This time for the middleweight championship of the world.

I would like to thank Curtis Cokes for taking the time to speak to me one on one. I’d also like to thank promoter, trainer, gym owner and jack-of-all-trades Steve Canton for helping me to contact Curtis.
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kikibalt wrote:Jose Napoles; Was He Too Good For His Own Good?
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The late 1960’s and early 1970’s produced some of the finest, most dominant champions ever. While Ali, Frazier and Foreman were taking turns ruling the heavyweights, other divisions found themselves under the supreme rule of a certain superior boxer.
At light heavyweight “Bad” Bob Foster was the sheriff in town. When Vincente Rondon disputed that fact he was gunned down in two rounds.

At middleweight Carlos Monzon truly was the “King”. He turned back the challenges of such fine fighters as Nino Benvenuti, Emile Griffith and Bennie Briscoe to name a few. After twice defeating the talented Rodrigo Valdez, Carlos retired with his crown in tact.

Antonio Cervantes attained ” legendary” status as he established himself as one of the greatest 140-pound rulers of all time.

Roberto Duran…Just the mere mention of the name is associated with greatness. At lightweight his fists, the “Hands Of Stone” created havoc with any would be challengers. Only the outstanding Esteban DeJesus was able to compete with Roberto.

Then at bantamweight was the dynamic Rock-A-Bye Ruben Olivares. His happy go lucky gap tooth smile belied his devastating power. Only a wonderful little fighting machine named Jesus “Chu Chu” Castillo was able to compete with a prime Olivares. One has to wonder where DeJesus and Castillo would be among the fistic Gods if it wasn’t for Roberto Duran and Ruben Olivares. I guess the same could be said for Rodrigo Valdez.

Then there was this smooth boxing but murderous puncher who defected from his homeland of Cuba. He moved to Mexico and his fistic prowess led to him being adopted as a national hero. He was a top ranking lightweight and junior welterweight but when he was unable to secure a title shot in either of those weight classes, he set his sights on the welterweight division.
The proud and classy welterweight titleholder agreed to put his title on the line against this feared and avoided fighter. Curtis Cokes would pay dearly for putting his title up for grabs. After over a dozen painful rounds Curtis relinquished his title to Jose Napoles. Thus began a reign that would establish Napoles as one of the greatest fighters ever to lace on the gloves.

He began his professional career in his native Cuba in 1958 as a spy eighteen year old. In the early 60’s he invaded his future homeland of Mexico. He quickly established himself as a fighter of promise and by 1964 he was a bonafide contender. He kayoed the feared Carlos Hernandez. In 1965 he outscored Eddie Perkins and took out Adolph Pruitt in three rounds. By now he had put himself in a position of being too good for his own good. The champions at the time seemed very unwilling to give Napoles a crack at the crown.

In 1966 Jose was upset by Youngstown, Ohio standout L.C. Morgan. Jose had two earlier victories over Morgan. Napoles would beat Morgan again in a 1967 return match.

Jose finally made his United States debut in 1968 when he landed in Los Angeles and blasted out Leroy Roberts in the first round. He returned later in the year to take out Des Rea in five.

On April 18, 1969 Jose Napoles defeated the game Curtis Cokes to capture the welterweight championship of the world. The gracious new title holer would give Cokes a chance to regain his old title Napoles would again prove to be Cokes’ master and Jose would again win by knockout. Jose closed the year by turning back the challenge of former champion Emile Griffith. The clear-cut win over the still fomidible Griffith made
Napoles a star. In 1970 he held off the challenge of the popular and highly regarded Ernie Lopez.

Then on December 3rd, 1970 Billy Backus upset Jose to capture the title. Six months later Jose regained the title as he battered Backus in to submission. Jose closed 1971 with a hard earned decision over the speedy and clever Hedgemon Lewis.

1972 and 1973 would see Jose reel off five successful defenses. Among his victims was Ernie Lopez who he nearly decapitated in the seventh round. Jose also won a hard fought decision over rugged Canadian contender Clyde Gray.

On February 9th, 1974 Jose moved up in weight to challenge the great Monzon for the middleweight title. Although this was a highly anticipated pairing, Carlos proved to be too big and too strong for Jose halting him in the seventh. Undaunted, Jose came right back in August to halt archenemy Hedgemon Lewis. He closed the year by taking out Horatio Saldano in three rounds,

Although Jose was still on top you could begin to see the cracks in the armour. Next came a near loss to the outstanding Armando Muniz that went into the books as a technical win for Jose. Four months later Jose did what any great boxer would do; he beat Muniz handily in a rematch to prove he was the better man.

In Jose’s next bout he had the very capable John H. Stracey of England down in the first round but could not finish him off. Stracey went on to overwhelm the aging champion ending matters in the sixth round. Napoles knew that there was no sense in carrying on. Jose hung up the gloves for good.

Napoles had 84-recorded bouts and he only lost eight times. Fifty-four foes failed to last the distance with Jose. “Mantequilla”, smooth as butter was his nick name. It was a fitting one. He made everything look so easy and effortless. He had a stinging jab. He had fearsome power. He threw effortless combinations. As good as he was at welterweight he may have been a better lightweight. When I think of Jose Napoles I think “greatness”. Nothing more. Nothing less.
Sounds familiar? :confused:
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kikibalt wrote:CURTIS COKES
By Jim Amato

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He may have been one of the best pound for pound boxers of the 1960’s but he was over shadowed by the antics of one Cassius Clay / Muhammad Ali. He may have been the best fighter in the welterweight division during the decade but he never had a chance to prove it against Emile Griffith. Instead he labored in the back round, fighting and beating all comers. Only after Griffith moved up to middleweight and allowed him to capture the vacated title did Curtis Cokes gain some long over due recognition.

Curtis who never had an amateur fight began his professional career in Midland, Texas on March 24, 1958 outscoring Manuel Gonzalez over six rounds. Curtis and Manuel would get to know each other a lot better in years to come. Curtis was born on June 15, 1937 in Dallas, Texas. He would go on to win his next ten fights including an eight rounder over Gonzalez. Finally in April of 1959, one year after turning pro Curtis suffered his first career loss to none other then Manuel Gonzalez. A no contest in a match with the talented Rip Randall set up a rematch. Curtis took out Randall in the first round. Later in the year Curtis would drop a six round duke to Frankie Davis.

Cokes won four fights in 1960. In 1961 he moved up the ladder with big wins over Joe Miceli and Charley ” Tombstone ” Smith. Cokes then dropped a decision in Mexico to Hilario Morales. He then fought a draw with the clever Kenny Lane in Dallas. Back in Dallas two months later Curtis scored a huge win with a split decision over the highly respected Luis Rodriguez. Cokes would then meet and again decision Manny Gonzalez but would lose points call to Rodriguez in a return match.

Curtis would bounce back in 1962 with five straight wins including knockouts over Hilario Morales and the rugged Rudolph Bent. Another trip to Mexico cost him another defeat. This times a decision to Manuel Sixto Alvarez. Four more wins led to a 1963 clash at the Sunnyside Garden in New York against contender Jose Stable. Curtis lost a very close

decision. Cokes would then outpoint the very tough Stan Harrington. On May 1, 1964 Curtis travelled to the Blue Horizon in Philadelphia to meet the dangerous Stan ” Kitten ” Hayward. He would suffer a major set back as Hayward stopped Cokes in round four.

It was back to the drawing board for Curtis. Two decision wins over Al Andrews got him back on track but he dropped a ten rounder to the slick Eddie Pace. On December 13, 1965 Curtis won the Southern Welterweight title with a twelve round decision over Billy Collins. On July 6, 1966 Cokes stopped Luis Rodriguez one minute in to the fifteenth and final round of an eliminination bout for the welterweight title vacated by Emile Griffith.

Seven weeks after his win over Rodriguez, Cokes met old rival Manuel Gonzalez for the WBA version of the welterweight title. The battle took place in New Orleans. Curtis floored Gonzalez on his way to a lopsided decision and a world’s championship. In November Cokes outclassed Frenchman Jean Josselin to win universal recognition as welterweight champion. Still many felt that Cokes was the champ only because Griffith had vacated the division. Curtis would go on to prove himself a worthy champion.

In early 1967 Curtis would have three non-title affairs. First he drew with Francious Pavilla. He knocked out Ted Whitfield but then the wily Gypsy Joe Harris outpointed Curtis. Finally Cokes defended his title halting Pavilla in a return bout. Next came a very impressive stoppage of sharp contender Charlie Shipes. Two non-title wins in early 1968 over Josselin and Jimmy Lester led to a defense in Dallas against South African contender Willie Ludick. An inspired Cokes flattened Ludick in the fifth round. Three non-title knockouts in South Africa followed including a repeat performance over Ludick. Then came a one-sided title-retaining verdict over Ramon La Cruz.

Jose Napoles, a Cuban who had migrated to Mexico years before had long been considered one of the best fighters in the business. Still he had never received a shot at a world title. Curtis Cokes was a proud man and a proud champion. He felt he was the best welterweight in the world. He also knew that Napoles was a very worthy contender and that he deserved a shot at the title. They met at the Forum in Inglewood, California on April 18, 1969. On that day Napoles proved to the world that he was a special fighter. Jose out fought and battered the game Cokes throughout using a remarkable jab and bone jarring combinations. Hopelessly behind on points Curtis did not answer the bell for round fourteen and his belt was awarded to Napoles.

Maybe it was just a bad night but Curtis had to know so he went down to Mexico two months later to attempt to reclaim his championship. Again Napoles proved to be too much for the game Cokes and the bout was ended after ten rounds. Curtis would return seven months later as a full-fledged middleweight. Cokes had hoped that old rival Luis Rodriguez would defeat middleweight king Nino Benvenuti when they met on November 22, 1969. Curtis was confident that Rodriguez would give him a crack at the middleweight title. After ten rounds Rodriguez had Benvenuti bleeding and bewildered and it looked like Luis was going to take the crown and then just like that, it was over. A crashing left hook put Rodriguez flat on his back for the count as the bleeding Benvenuti retained his crown.

With little hope of a title shot Curtis still campaigned as a middleweight. He won four bouts but then drew with Akron’s Fate Davis, a fighter he defeated seven months earlier. Cokes then lost decisions to Rafael Gutierrez and Carlos Salinas on the West Coast. Then he lost to Elijah Makathini in South Africa. By now it was 1972 and Carlos Monzon was firmly entrenched as middleweight king. There would be little interest in a bout between the great Monzon and the aging Cokes. Curtis returned to South Africa and won decisions over Joseph Hali and Ezra Mzinyane and then retired.

In 80 bouts Curtis put together a fine 62-14-3 record with one no contest. He won thirty fights by knockout. He was stopped only three times. He met the best welterweights of his era other then Emile Griffith.Curtis was inducted into the International Boxing Hall Of Fame in 2003 with the help of mutual friend Steve Canton, I was able to reach Mr. Cokes and have a very nice conversation with him. I contacted him at his gym where he trains boxers. Curtis once trained highly regarded heavyweights Ike Ibeabuchi and Kirk Johnson. He also guided Quincy Taylor to the middleweight title. He also appeared in the boxing movie classic ” Fat City “.

Curtis was extremely courteous and giving with his time. He said even though he and Manny Gonzalez met in the ring numerous times, they were very good friends. Curtis had a tremendous amount of respect for Luis Rodriguez and despite their battles they always maintained a friendly relationship. I asked him if he regretted never meeting Emile Griffith in the ring. Curtis more or less said that he had no control on Emile’s decision to move up in weight. Did he feel he could have defeated Emile? In his low key, respectful manner Mr.Cokes just stated he felt that he was capable of beating any welterweight in the world during his prime but he had a great respect for Emile’s talent and that they are friends. He said the knockout loss to Stan Hayward in 1964 took him by surprise but he just put it behind him and moved on. He called Napoles a great fighter who he was just unable to overcome. Curtis really felt that if Rodriguez had defeated Benvenuti, they would have met again. This time for the middleweight championship of the world.

I would like to thank Curtis Cokes for taking the time to speak to me one on one. I’d also like to thank promoter, trainer, gym owner and jack-of-all-trades Steve Canton for helping me to contact Curtis.
I met Curtis Cokes when he came to our fights in Oklahoma City one time in late 1974 or 1975. O'Grady pointed him out to me standing inauspiciously in the back of the ballroom (we were having fights at the Red Carpet Inn by then). I went back and talked to him for a bit. Very soft-spoken and friendly. I don't remember what we specifically talked about. I do remember thinking he was a lot shorter than he looked in his pictures.

Its always interesting to me that, as a general rule, the good and great champions are always the nicest guys.
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raylawpc wrote:
kikibalt wrote:CURTIS COKES
By Jim Amato

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He may have been one of the best pound for pound boxers of the 1960’s but he was over shadowed by the antics of one Cassius Clay / Muhammad Ali. He may have been the best fighter in the welterweight division during the decade but he never had a chance to prove it against Emile Griffith. Instead he labored in the back round, fighting and beating all comers. Only after Griffith moved up to middleweight and allowed him to capture the vacated title did Curtis Cokes gain some long over due recognition.

Curtis who never had an amateur fight began his professional career in Midland, Texas on March 24, 1958 outscoring Manuel Gonzalez over six rounds. Curtis and Manuel would get to know each other a lot better in years to come. Curtis was born on June 15, 1937 in Dallas, Texas. He would go on to win his next ten fights including an eight rounder over Gonzalez. Finally in April of 1959, one year after turning pro Curtis suffered his first career loss to none other then Manuel Gonzalez. A no contest in a match with the talented Rip Randall set up a rematch. Curtis took out Randall in the first round. Later in the year Curtis would drop a six round duke to Frankie Davis.

Cokes won four fights in 1960. In 1961 he moved up the ladder with big wins over Joe Miceli and Charley ” Tombstone ” Smith. Cokes then dropped a decision in Mexico to Hilario Morales. He then fought a draw with the clever Kenny Lane in Dallas. Back in Dallas two months later Curtis scored a huge win with a split decision over the highly respected Luis Rodriguez. Cokes would then meet and again decision Manny Gonzalez but would lose points call to Rodriguez in a return match.

Curtis would bounce back in 1962 with five straight wins including knockouts over Hilario Morales and the rugged Rudolph Bent. Another trip to Mexico cost him another defeat. This times a decision to Manuel Sixto Alvarez. Four more wins led to a 1963 clash at the Sunnyside Garden in New York against contender Jose Stable. Curtis lost a very close

decision. Cokes would then outpoint the very tough Stan Harrington. On May 1, 1964 Curtis travelled to the Blue Horizon in Philadelphia to meet the dangerous Stan ” Kitten ” Hayward. He would suffer a major set back as Hayward stopped Cokes in round four.

It was back to the drawing board for Curtis. Two decision wins over Al Andrews got him back on track but he dropped a ten rounder to the slick Eddie Pace. On December 13, 1965 Curtis won the Southern Welterweight title with a twelve round decision over Billy Collins. On July 6, 1966 Cokes stopped Luis Rodriguez one minute in to the fifteenth and final round of an eliminination bout for the welterweight title vacated by Emile Griffith.

Seven weeks after his win over Rodriguez, Cokes met old rival Manuel Gonzalez for the WBA version of the welterweight title. The battle took place in New Orleans. Curtis floored Gonzalez on his way to a lopsided decision and a world’s championship. In November Cokes outclassed Frenchman Jean Josselin to win universal recognition as welterweight champion. Still many felt that Cokes was the champ only because Griffith had vacated the division. Curtis would go on to prove himself a worthy champion.

In early 1967 Curtis would have three non-title affairs. First he drew with Francious Pavilla. He knocked out Ted Whitfield but then the wily Gypsy Joe Harris outpointed Curtis. Finally Cokes defended his title halting Pavilla in a return bout. Next came a very impressive stoppage of sharp contender Charlie Shipes. Two non-title wins in early 1968 over Josselin and Jimmy Lester led to a defense in Dallas against South African contender Willie Ludick. An inspired Cokes flattened Ludick in the fifth round. Three non-title knockouts in South Africa followed including a repeat performance over Ludick. Then came a one-sided title-retaining verdict over Ramon La Cruz.

Jose Napoles, a Cuban who had migrated to Mexico years before had long been considered one of the best fighters in the business. Still he had never received a shot at a world title. Curtis Cokes was a proud man and a proud champion. He felt he was the best welterweight in the world. He also knew that Napoles was a very worthy contender and that he deserved a shot at the title. They met at the Forum in Inglewood, California on April 18, 1969. On that day Napoles proved to the world that he was a special fighter. Jose out fought and battered the game Cokes throughout using a remarkable jab and bone jarring combinations. Hopelessly behind on points Curtis did not answer the bell for round fourteen and his belt was awarded to Napoles.

Maybe it was just a bad night but Curtis had to know so he went down to Mexico two months later to attempt to reclaim his championship. Again Napoles proved to be too much for the game Cokes and the bout was ended after ten rounds. Curtis would return seven months later as a full-fledged middleweight. Cokes had hoped that old rival Luis Rodriguez would defeat middleweight king Nino Benvenuti when they met on November 22, 1969. Curtis was confident that Rodriguez would give him a crack at the middleweight title. After ten rounds Rodriguez had Benvenuti bleeding and bewildered and it looked like Luis was going to take the crown and then just like that, it was over. A crashing left hook put Rodriguez flat on his back for the count as the bleeding Benvenuti retained his crown.

With little hope of a title shot Curtis still campaigned as a middleweight. He won four bouts but then drew with Akron’s Fate Davis, a fighter he defeated seven months earlier. Cokes then lost decisions to Rafael Gutierrez and Carlos Salinas on the West Coast. Then he lost to Elijah Makathini in South Africa. By now it was 1972 and Carlos Monzon was firmly entrenched as middleweight king. There would be little interest in a bout between the great Monzon and the aging Cokes. Curtis returned to South Africa and won decisions over Joseph Hali and Ezra Mzinyane and then retired.

In 80 bouts Curtis put together a fine 62-14-3 record with one no contest. He won thirty fights by knockout. He was stopped only three times. He met the best welterweights of his era other then Emile Griffith.Curtis was inducted into the International Boxing Hall Of Fame in 2003 with the help of mutual friend Steve Canton, I was able to reach Mr. Cokes and have a very nice conversation with him. I contacted him at his gym where he trains boxers. Curtis once trained highly regarded heavyweights Ike Ibeabuchi and Kirk Johnson. He also guided Quincy Taylor to the middleweight title. He also appeared in the boxing movie classic ” Fat City “.

Curtis was extremely courteous and giving with his time. He said even though he and Manny Gonzalez met in the ring numerous times, they were very good friends. Curtis had a tremendous amount of respect for Luis Rodriguez and despite their battles they always maintained a friendly relationship. I asked him if he regretted never meeting Emile Griffith in the ring. Curtis more or less said that he had no control on Emile’s decision to move up in weight. Did he feel he could have defeated Emile? In his low key, respectful manner Mr.Cokes just stated he felt that he was capable of beating any welterweight in the world during his prime but he had a great respect for Emile’s talent and that they are friends. He said the knockout loss to Stan Hayward in 1964 took him by surprise but he just put it behind him and moved on. He called Napoles a great fighter who he was just unable to overcome. Curtis really felt that if Rodriguez had defeated Benvenuti, they would have met again. This time for the middleweight championship of the world.

I would like to thank Curtis Cokes for taking the time to speak to me one on one. I’d also like to thank promoter, trainer, gym owner and jack-of-all-trades Steve Canton for helping me to contact Curtis.
I met Curtis Cokes when he came to our fights in Oklahoma City one time in late 1974 or 1975. O'Grady pointed him out to me standing inauspiciously in the back of the ballroom (we were having fights at the Red Carpet Inn by then). I went back and talked to him for a bit. Very soft-spoken and friendly. I don't remember what we specifically talked about. I do remember thinking he was a lot shorter than he looked in his pictures.

Its always interesting to me that, as a general rule, that the good and great champions are always the nicest guys.
Cokes was solid champion before losing his title to Napoles. On the weekend in 1969, when Cokes came to L.A. to defend his title against the Cuban challenger, I was in San Diego for a national boxing tournament. I regretted not being present to watch Napoles win the title. However, a couple years later, I'd fight a prelim to the second Napoles-Backus fight at the Forum. That night Napoles would win the title for the 2nd time, he'd stop Backus to regain the title he'd lost a few months previous.

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Rick, with all that boxing history, including your buddies fighting there and Frank elected into the CBHOF, it sure would be nice to save the lodge.
Men need places like this. It has all of our interests. Women, Boxing, booze, an occasional brawl in the parking lot, what else is there?
Places like the Lodge, barber shops, Bowling Alleys like the one in "Fat City,Pool Halls, Social Clubs for an espresso, are places men need.
Not fu..in Starbucks.

Great stuff about Frankie also Rick.
You guys all know the biggest joke in the world is the old streetfighter can kick the shit out of a boxer myth.
Not only does a boxer punch like hell and know how to deal with the incoming shots, he also knows all that street stuff also.
Ive never known any boxer who came from charm school directly into boxing.
We all came up rough in one way or another.
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THE SOUTHPAW

"That guy Marlow's got a big mouth."
I was sitting in the dugout with the rest of our team playing Dick Marlow'a bunch for the Pomy Leagur Championships of Baseball out at the Point. The box score was all ciphers. My pal Doug hadn't allowed a hit,and Marlow's starter was almost as perfect.

The thing that was making me sore was this Marlow,their coach, was riding us pretty hard. Now we're all 13 and 14 years old. You expect that kind of razz from a kid,but Marlow was a grown up.
"Yeh,I wish someone would shut him up."I turned to Doug.
Doug chuckled.
"Look at him with that baseball uniform on."
"Yeh,I wonder where he bought it?"

Marlow would stand in the third base box when his team was up and never let up with his mouth.
"Your should put on a dress pitcher." Or. "You're a little girl out there." Or. Hey sissy,go play with your dolls."
His stuff got stale real fast and it wasn't even very good. None of the other coaches acted like him. I think wearing thar uniform made him feel entitled to be a jerk.

Well they get our side out and now Doug's got to hold them in the bottom of the seventh or the game is over.
"Hold em buddy,"I says to him."Shut that Marlow up with strikeouts."
Doug gets the first batter on a dribbler back to the mound. Then he loses the no hitter when their three hitter smacks a double off the right field fence.
"I think you've had it sweetie,"Marlow shouts from the dugout.
Doug bears down on the next guy and strikes himout.
"That's all right sweetie. Who taught you how to pitch,your mommy?"
Doug's mother had passed away from cancer that spring. I really hated that Marlow.

The next hitter comes up and it's another tapper to the mound. Instead of Doug flippin' iy to first,he lets one go right into the dugout. The ump rules two bases,the runner on second goes to the plate. Game over.

"I lost my head Rog. I let the team down."
Doug felt horrible.Then Marlow emerges from the dugout. I guess Doug couldn't nail him.
"What happened sweetie? Didn't mommy show you how to aim?"
Just then this old guy in khaki pants comes out of the stands and walks towards this Marlow.
"You got a big mouth,"he declares.
Marlow balls up his fists. I guess he figures some old man can't talk to him that way.

Marlow gets about two feet away and the old guy lets fly with deep dish beauty of a left hook to Marlow's stomach. He collapses rollin' on the ground agonizin'.
"Did you see that?"I asked Doug.
"That's my pop. He was a Golden Glove champ."

Goes to show you. Just because you wear a uniform doesn't mean you can play with the men.
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kikibalt wrote:Image
A Southern California Snow Storm.
Winter is hell in L.A. Any colder and Monica might need a jacket.

-Rick

.....It's sad to see that you and your family members have been caught up in the ravages of "global warming"....uh I mean "Climate Change"........I like the idea of "Climate Change" much better. That way no matter what happens we can be afraid of it...rather than just being entertained by the wide variety of weather that can present itself along the way in life. I hope no one was crushed in any nasty avalanches out your way. They can be pretty pesky. Let me know if you need me to send you a care package of Parkas!

I miss the "chile" weather out in the southwest. But more than that I miss the Jalopenos and Chipoltes.
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BoxBuzz wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Image
A Southern California Snow Storm.
Winter is hell in L.A. Any colder and Monica might need a jacket.

-Rick

.....It's sad to see that you and your family members have been caught up in the ravages of "global warming"....uh I mean "Climate Change"........I like the idea of "Climate Change" much better. That way no matter what happens we can be afraid of it...rather than just being entertained by the wide variety of weather that can present itself along the way in life. I hope no one was crushed in any nasty avalanches out your way. They can be pretty pesky. Let me know if you need me to send you a care package of Parkas!

I miss the "chile" weather out in the southwest. But more than that I miss the Jalopenos and Chipoltes.
Rob . . . Thanks for your concern. We do have it tough here. Last week the temperature dropped into the 50's at night, and we feared they might dip into the 40's! It get's a bit scary for us thin-blooded West Coast Cali residents. Last night, I even fired up the heater for awhile.

If conditions remain threatening, I may have wear something over my T-Shirt manana! :oo

-Ricardo
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kikibalt wrote:CURTIS COKES
By Jim Amato

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He may have been one of the best pound for pound boxers of the 1960’s but he was over shadowed by the antics of one Cassius Clay / Muhammad Ali. He may have been the best fighter in the welterweight division during the decade but he never had a chance to prove it against Emile Griffith. Instead he labored in the back round, fighting and beating all comers. Only after Griffith moved up to middleweight and allowed him to capture the vacated title did Curtis Cokes gain some long over due recognition.

Curtis who never had an amateur fight began his professional career in Midland, Texas on March 24, 1958 outscoring Manuel Gonzalez over six rounds. Curtis and Manuel would get to know each other a lot better in years to come. Curtis was born on June 15, 1937 in Dallas, Texas. He would go on to win his next ten fights including an eight rounder over Gonzalez. Finally in April of 1959, one year after turning pro Curtis suffered his first career loss to none other then Manuel Gonzalez. A no contest in a match with the talented Rip Randall set up a rematch. Curtis took out Randall in the first round. Later in the year Curtis would drop a six round duke to Frankie Davis.

Cokes won four fights in 1960. In 1961 he moved up the ladder with big wins over Joe Miceli and Charley ” Tombstone ” Smith. Cokes then dropped a decision in Mexico to Hilario Morales. He then fought a draw with the clever Kenny Lane in Dallas. Back in Dallas two months later Curtis scored a huge win with a split decision over the highly respected Luis Rodriguez. Cokes would then meet and again decision Manny Gonzalez but would lose points call to Rodriguez in a return match.

Curtis would bounce back in 1962 with five straight wins including knockouts over Hilario Morales and the rugged Rudolph Bent. Another trip to Mexico cost him another defeat. This times a decision to Manuel Sixto Alvarez. Four more wins led to a 1963 clash at the Sunnyside Garden in New York against contender Jose Stable. Curtis lost a very close

decision. Cokes would then outpoint the very tough Stan Harrington. On May 1, 1964 Curtis travelled to the Blue Horizon in Philadelphia to meet the dangerous Stan ” Kitten ” Hayward. He would suffer a major set back as Hayward stopped Cokes in round four.

It was back to the drawing board for Curtis. Two decision wins over Al Andrews got him back on track but he dropped a ten rounder to the slick Eddie Pace. On December 13, 1965 Curtis won the Southern Welterweight title with a twelve round decision over Billy Collins. On July 6, 1966 Cokes stopped Luis Rodriguez one minute in to the fifteenth and final round of an eliminination bout for the welterweight title vacated by Emile Griffith.

Seven weeks after his win over Rodriguez, Cokes met old rival Manuel Gonzalez for the WBA version of the welterweight title. The battle took place in New Orleans. Curtis floored Gonzalez on his way to a lopsided decision and a world’s championship. In November Cokes outclassed Frenchman Jean Josselin to win universal recognition as welterweight champion. Still many felt that Cokes was the champ only because Griffith had vacated the division. Curtis would go on to prove himself a worthy champion.

In early 1967 Curtis would have three non-title affairs. First he drew with Francious Pavilla. He knocked out Ted Whitfield but then the wily Gypsy Joe Harris outpointed Curtis. Finally Cokes defended his title halting Pavilla in a return bout. Next came a very impressive stoppage of sharp contender Charlie Shipes. Two non-title wins in early 1968 over Josselin and Jimmy Lester led to a defense in Dallas against South African contender Willie Ludick. An inspired Cokes flattened Ludick in the fifth round. Three non-title knockouts in South Africa followed including a repeat performance over Ludick. Then came a one-sided title-retaining verdict over Ramon La Cruz.

Jose Napoles, a Cuban who had migrated to Mexico years before had long been considered one of the best fighters in the business. Still he had never received a shot at a world title. Curtis Cokes was a proud man and a proud champion. He felt he was the best welterweight in the world. He also knew that Napoles was a very worthy contender and that he deserved a shot at the title. They met at the Forum in Inglewood, California on April 18, 1969. On that day Napoles proved to the world that he was a special fighter. Jose out fought and battered the game Cokes throughout using a remarkable jab and bone jarring combinations. Hopelessly behind on points Curtis did not answer the bell for round fourteen and his belt was awarded to Napoles.

Maybe it was just a bad night but Curtis had to know so he went down to Mexico two months later to attempt to reclaim his championship. Again Napoles proved to be too much for the game Cokes and the bout was ended after ten rounds. Curtis would return seven months later as a full-fledged middleweight. Cokes had hoped that old rival Luis Rodriguez would defeat middleweight king Nino Benvenuti when they met on November 22, 1969. Curtis was confident that Rodriguez would give him a crack at the middleweight title. After ten rounds Rodriguez had Benvenuti bleeding and bewildered and it looked like Luis was going to take the crown and then just like that, it was over. A crashing left hook put Rodriguez flat on his back for the count as the bleeding Benvenuti retained his crown.

With little hope of a title shot Curtis still campaigned as a middleweight. He won four bouts but then drew with Akron’s Fate Davis, a fighter he defeated seven months earlier. Cokes then lost decisions to Rafael Gutierrez and Carlos Salinas on the West Coast. Then he lost to Elijah Makathini in South Africa. By now it was 1972 and Carlos Monzon was firmly entrenched as middleweight king. There would be little interest in a bout between the great Monzon and the aging Cokes. Curtis returned to South Africa and won decisions over Joseph Hali and Ezra Mzinyane and then retired.

In 80 bouts Curtis put together a fine 62-14-3 record with one no contest. He won thirty fights by knockout. He was stopped only three times. He met the best welterweights of his era other then Emile Griffith.Curtis was inducted into the International Boxing Hall Of Fame in 2003 with the help of mutual friend Steve Canton, I was able to reach Mr. Cokes and have a very nice conversation with him. I contacted him at his gym where he trains boxers. Curtis once trained highly regarded heavyweights Ike Ibeabuchi and Kirk Johnson. He also guided Quincy Taylor to the middleweight title. He also appeared in the boxing movie classic ” Fat City “.

Curtis was extremely courteous and giving with his time. He said even though he and Manny Gonzalez met in the ring numerous times, they were very good friends. Curtis had a tremendous amount of respect for Luis Rodriguez and despite their battles they always maintained a friendly relationship. I asked him if he regretted never meeting Emile Griffith in the ring. Curtis more or less said that he had no control on Emile’s decision to move up in weight. Did he feel he could have defeated Emile? In his low key, respectful manner Mr.Cokes just stated he felt that he was capable of beating any welterweight in the world during his prime but he had a great respect for Emile’s talent and that they are friends. He said the knockout loss to Stan Hayward in 1964 took him by surprise but he just put it behind him and moved on. He called Napoles a great fighter who he was just unable to overcome. Curtis really felt that if Rodriguez had defeated Benvenuti, they would have met again. This time for the middleweight championship of the world.

I would like to thank Curtis Cokes for taking the time to speak to me one on one. I’d also like to thank promoter, trainer, gym owner and jack-of-all-trades Steve Canton for helping me to contact Curtis.
I also liked the job Curtis did in the movie "Fat City".
Solid performance.
I wonder if he did any other acting?
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dagosd2000 wrote:THE SOUTHPAW

"That guy Marlow's got a big mouth."
I was sitting in the dugout with the rest of our team playing Dick Marlow'a bunch for the Pomy Leagur Championships of Baseball out at the Point. The box score was all ciphers. My pal Doug hadn't allowed a hit,and Marlow's starter was almost as perfect.

The thing that was making me sore was this Marlow,their coach, was riding us pretty hard. Now we're all 13 and 14 years old. You expect that kind of razz from a kid,but Marlow was a grown up.
"Yeh,I wish someone would shut him up."I turned to Doug.
Doug chuckled.
"Look at him with that baseball uniform on."
"Yeh,I wonder where he bought it?"

Marlow would stand in the third base box when his team was up and never let up with his mouth.
"Your should put on a dress pitcher." Or. "You're a little girl out there." Or. Hey sissy,go play with your dolls."
His stuff got stale real fast and it wasn't even very good. None of the other coaches acted like him. I think wearing thar uniform made him feel entitled to be a jerk.

Well they get our side out and now Doug's got to hold them in the bottom of the seventh or the game is over.
"Hold em buddy,"I says to him."Shut that Marlow up with strikeouts."
Doug gets the first batter on a dribbler back to the mound. Then he loses the no hitter when their three hitter smacks a double off the right field fence.
"I think you've had it sweetie,"Marlow shouts from the dugout.
Doug bears down on the next guy and strikes himout.
"That's all right sweetie. Who taught you how to pitch,your mommy?"
Doug's mother had passed away from cancer that spring. I really hated that Marlow.

The next hitter comes up and it's another tapper to the mound. Instead of Doug flippin' iy to first,he lets one go right into the dugout. The ump rules two bases,the runner on second goes to the plate. Game over.

"I lost my head Rog. I let the team down."
Doug felt horrible.Then Marlow emerges from the dugout. I guess Doug couldn't nail him.
"What happened sweetie? Didn't mommy show you how to aim?"
Just then this old guy in khaki pants comes out of the stands and walks towards this Marlow.
"You got a big mouth,"he declares.
Marlow balls up his fists. I guess he figures some old man can't talk to him that way.

Marlow gets about two feet away and the old guy lets fly with deep dish beauty of a left hook to Marlow's stomach. He collapses rollin' on the ground agonizin'.
"Did you see that?"I asked Doug.
"That's my pop. He was a Golden Glove champ."

Goes to show you. Just because you wear a uniform doesn't mean you can play with the men.
I love it.
Guys like Marlow deserve to catch a lefthook and its a beautiful thing that he did.
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