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Here it is. Fight I between Olivares and Castillo

chrisjs1985 wrote: ↑11 Jan 2019, 13:32

oogiebe wrote: ↑11 Jan 2019, 13:20

chrisjs1985 wrote: ↑11 Jan 2019, 13:13

I think because Olivares was forced to fight more frantically and Castillo had learned a lot from the first fight it was ven better. The first one is great as hell too but Olivares puts a lot of rounds together back to back in that one whereas this is back and forth. Both wonderful fights. I've never been able to pin down fight III which is strange considering it was the same venue, the same network, the same fighters and the same time. I saw a short highlight clip of about 3 minutes once and that's it. Olivares reportedly dominated that fight behind his boxing skills outside of a knockdown he suffered.

To be honest, I wanted to see the first fight and couldn't find it, as I'd rather see Olivares winning! (I admit I'm biased). Haven't searched out full-fight for III yet, but based on your post, I shouldn't bang my head. Olivares/Chacon were mostly fun as well.

The first fight should be on Youtube. If you can't find it let me know and I'll upload it.

Olivares is one of my favorites too. Have you seen his absolute WAR with Kanazawa? That's my favorite fight of his and his best performance was the Rose one.

I never saw the Kanazawa fight. I'll be sure to do so. I got exposed to Olivares during the early 70's via UHF channel 68 in NY, which showed fights seemingly every day. "Boxeo Profesional" I was very young and caught some amazing fights, including guys like Zamora; Zarate; Chacon; Olivares. I wish I had your knowledge and appreciate your suggestions and viewpoint!

chrisjs1985 wrote: ↑11 Jan 2019, 13:33

Here it is. Fight I between Olivares and Castillo

Thanks!

oogiebe wrote: ↑11 Jan 2019, 13:35

chrisjs1985 wrote: ↑11 Jan 2019, 13:32

oogiebe wrote: ↑11 Jan 2019, 13:20
To be honest, I wanted to see the first fight and couldn't find it, as I'd rather see Olivares winning! (I admit I'm biased). Haven't searched out full-fight for III yet, but based on your post, I shouldn't bang my head. Olivares/Chacon were mostly fun as well.

The first fight should be on Youtube. If you can't find it let me know and I'll upload it.

Olivares is one of my favorites too. Have you seen his absolute WAR with Kanazawa? That's my favorite fight of his and his best performance was the Rose one.

I never saw the Kanazawa fight. I'll be sure to do so. I got exposed to Olivares during the early 70's via UHF channel 68 in NY, which showed fights seemingly every day. "Boxeo Profesional" I was very young and caught some amazing fights, including guys like Zamora; Zarate; Chacon; Olivares. I wish I had your knowledge and appreciate your suggestions and viewpoint!

I compare the Olivares-Kanazawa II fight to Gomez-Pintor but I think the highest point of drama in Olivares-Kanazawa is even higher than Gomez-Pintor.

That was a golden generation for sure. A lot of the warriors from that era that primarily fought out west didn't get the type of coverage they deserved on a national level. I've spoken about it in the Old school west coast thread but I feel the IBHOF being in Canastota a lot of east coast voters and historians overlook a lot of these great fighters outside of the big names like Olivares. I'm glad you don't though and enjoy them just as much as I do.

Here's another classic fight I recently uploaded to youtube. Jose Medel vs. Jesus Pimentel from the LA sports arena. Medel would have been a champion and a damn good one but for a man named Jofre and Pimentel was superb also yet only ever fought for a title once (vs. Olivares) when he was already at the end of his career. This fight contains skill, two-way power, drama, knockdowns, guts and shifts in momentum.

Tommy Burns vs Gunner Moir


Burns KOs Moir in the 10th to retain his World Heavyweight title, Moir was the British champ and although he gave it a cracking effort it was a tough night for him, he started off well, quicker out the blocks than Burns and let his hands go, he was down in the 3rd though, Burns rocked him with a solid right hand and 3 more clubbed Moir down when the bell saved him as he got up, credit to Moir he still took the fight to Burns in the next couple of rounds and had success, around about the 6th Burns took over and Moir's left eye was a mess

Burns was in total control and he was on his toes jabbing and coming over with the right cross whenever Moir lunged in and it become target practice for Burns and the writing was on the wall, Burns had Moir down in the 10th with a superb right/left/right, Moir somehow got up but was down again after shipping another right hand, he collapsed after a delayed reaction, again Moir dragged himself up but Burns nailed him with another right to finally put Moir down for good

chrisjs1985 wrote: ↑11 Jan 2019, 13:13

oogiebe wrote: ↑11 Jan 2019, 12:17 Ruben Olivares vs Chucho Castillo II. What a great fight! Olivares one of my all time favs. Lost on cuts (from 1st round clash of heads), but it was a hellava fight! Maybe best of the three between these two.

I think because Olivares was forced to fight more frantically and Castillo had learned a lot from the first fight it was ven better. The first one is great as hell too but Olivares puts a lot of rounds together back to back in that one whereas this is back and forth. Both wonderful fights. I've never been able to pin down fight III which is strange considering it was the same venue, the same network, the same fighters and the same time. I saw a short highlight clip of about 3 minutes once and that's it. Olivares reportedly dominated that fight behind his boxing skills outside of a knockdown he suffered.

Ive only seen the first 2 fights myself, both excellent scraps, great inside fighting, I remember preferring the 1st fight though, i'll have to watch them again at some point

Carlos Ortiz vs Joe Brown


Ortiz outpoints Brown over 15 to win the World Lightweight title, not a classic but a close competitive fight and a lot closer than the scorecards were, nothing dramatic happened and all the rounds were close, both guys jabs were the weapon of choice and they both showed the importance of the jab, both had their success off the jab, Brown even though 10 years older at 35 still looked the quicker man and sharper punch picker but it was Ortiz's freshness down the stretch which won him the fight, he was more workmanlike when Brown was reduced to cameos

Carlos Ortiz vs Flash Elorde 2


Ortiz KOs Elorde in the 14th to retain his World Lightweight title, this was the second time Ortiz had stopped Elorde in the 14th round in a title defence, cant find that first fight unfortunately but this was a decent scrap fought entirely at close quarters, the rounds were always nip and tuck but you felt Ortiz was the man in more control, slightly busier, getting up close, jabbing Elorde on the way in then banging to the body, the left hook especially were landing, Elorde had success with his right hook but Ortiz just wore him down

Still the end was a bit of a surprise, Ortiz had finished the 13th backing Elorde up at the bell and came out in the 14th continuing his attacks, he had Elorde on the ropes firing lefts and rights then a beautiful left hook come uppercut caught Elorde clean and knocked him out cold, vicious shot

handsofstone wrote: ↑13 Jan 2019, 13:32 Carlos Ortiz vs Joe Brown


Ortiz outpoints Brown over 15 to win the World Lightweight title, not a classic but a close competitive fight and a lot closer than the scorecards were, nothing dramatic happened and all the rounds were close, both guys jabs were the weapon of choice and they both showed the importance of the jab, both had their success off the jab, Brown even though 10 years older at 35 still looked the quicker man and sharper punch picker but it was Ortiz's freshness down the stretch which won him the fight, he was more workmanlike when Brown was reduced to cameos

I really couldn't give Brown any more than 3 rounds in this one. Ortiz was a master at measuring an opponents speed of hand or foot. If he didn't beat you the first time he'd get you the second. Such a complete fighter and for me one of the most underrated fighters of the last 50-60 years.

Carlos Ortiz vs Ismael Laguna 1+3


Laguna wins a SD over Ortiz to become World Lightweight champ, never scored it but it was razor tight all the way through and pretty much every round was difficult to score, nobody was down or hurt but it was still a high end contest from 2 world class boxers, Laguna was the flashier quicker boxer and danced around the ring for 15 rounds and fired in quick bursts whereas Ortiz was more workmanlike, getting in close and timing the left hook to perfection at times, the fight was fought at a high pace and both men could've got it but Laguna just edged it, he had a good 15th which was probably the clearest round of the fight

Ortiz outpointed Laguna in the rematch to regain the title but cant find it online


Ortiz wins the rubber match via UD to retain his title, another great fight and better than the 1st, Ortiz was the clear winner and although Laguna always made things competitive he was usually second best, Ortiz stunned him a few times throughout, this fight was again fought mostly on the inside, Ortiz had a lot more success with the right hand than ive usually seen him, he caught Laguna with some nice lead rights as well as the left hooks, Ortiz also throws a nice hook/cross which isn't a combo you see thrown a lot, Laguna knew he had to stop Ortiz to regain the belt but Ortiz never allowed him to get on top in the closing rounds

handsofstone wrote: ↑17 Jan 2019, 04:54 Ismael Laguna vs Carlos Ortiz 1


Laguna wins a SD over Ortiz to become World Lightweight champ, never scored it but it was razor tight all the way through and pretty much every round was difficult to score, nobody was down or hurt but it was still a high end contest from 2 world class boxers, Laguna was the flashier quicker boxer and danced around the ring for 15 rounds and fired in quick bursts whereas Ortiz was more workmanlike, getting in close and timing the left hook to perfection at times, the fight was fought at a high pace and both men could've got it but Laguna just edged it, he had a good 15th which was probably the clearest round of the fight

Ortiz outpointed Laguna in the rematch to regain the title but cant find it online

I've searched for years for the re-match and unfortunately it just hasn't emerged. I have a quick snippet of it and that's it. I do have the Buchanan-Laguna first fight though so hoping that this one can emerge too. Same for the Sugar Ramos re-match.

I felt this one perhaps should have gone Ortiz' way but it was an either way one round type of fight. The third fight is one of my all-time favorite boxing matches. Ortiz was masterful in that one.

I've been on a heavyweight binge lately. Last night I watched Ali-Norton I & II and will watch fight III tonight. I hadn't seen these fights in a long time. First fight I had Norton a close but relatively comfortable winner. Ali starting the faster but then a combination of Norton closing the distance and Ali being quite lethargic had Norton taking over by the middle rounds. Ali had a strong rally in the 11th, but Norton closed the show superbly and hammered Ali a bit in the 12th. I felt this fight could have been anything from 7-5 or 8-4 to Norton. Overall it's not a particularly fun fight.

Fight II Ali was definitely lighter on his feet and his movement made it really hard for Norton early. I had Ali up 5-1 by the half way point but then Norton came on again and I forget if it was the 7th or 8th round but Ali got hurt in that round and save for a strong final round (which he needed on my card), Norton had control of it and made this almost an either way type of fight. I scored it for Ali 7-5 but wouldn't argue with a draw. I'll watch fight III tonight.

chrisjs1985 wrote: ↑17 Jan 2019, 13:06 I've been on a heavyweight binge lately. Last night I watched Ali-Norton I & II and will watch fight III tonight. I hadn't seen these fights in a long time. First fight I had Norton a close but relatively comfortable winner. Ali starting the faster but then a combination of Norton closing the distance and Ali being quite lethargic had Norton taking over by the middle rounds. Ali had a strong rally in the 11th, but Norton closed the show superbly and hammered Ali a bit in the 12th. I felt this fight could have been anything from 7-5 or 8-4 to Norton. Overall it's not a particularly fun fight.

Fight II Ali was definitely lighter on his feet and his movement made it really hard for Norton early. I had Ali up 5-1 by the half way point but then Norton came on again and I forget if it was the 7th or 8th round but Ali got hurt in that round and save for a strong final round (which he needed on my card), Norton had control of it and made this almost an either way type of fight. I scored it for Ali 7-5 but wouldn't argue with a draw. I'll watch fight III tonight.

I had III a dead draw.

Also watched both Larry Holmes vs. Michael Spinks fights the other day too. The first was fairly uninteresting but the second is a bit better. Spinks' awkwardness made it so difficult for Holmes in fight I and Holmes just wasn't following up much beyond his jab. Holmes just couldn't put enough rounds together and I felt Spinks won it 9-6. The re-match, Holmes was far more aggressive though Spinks was still awkward. Holmes dominated early and won enough late to win this decision which I consider to be a raw deal. I scored it 9-6 for Holmes.

oogiebe wrote: ↑17 Jan 2019, 13:09

chrisjs1985 wrote: ↑17 Jan 2019, 13:06 I've been on a heavyweight binge lately. Last night I watched Ali-Norton I & II and will watch fight III tonight. I hadn't seen these fights in a long time. First fight I had Norton a close but relatively comfortable winner. Ali starting the faster but then a combination of Norton closing the distance and Ali being quite lethargic had Norton taking over by the middle rounds. Ali had a strong rally in the 11th, but Norton closed the show superbly and hammered Ali a bit in the 12th. I felt this fight could have been anything from 7-5 or 8-4 to Norton. Overall it's not a particularly fun fight.

Fight II Ali was definitely lighter on his feet and his movement made it really hard for Norton early. I had Ali up 5-1 by the half way point but then Norton came on again and I forget if it was the 7th or 8th round but Ali got hurt in that round and save for a strong final round (which he needed on my card), Norton had control of it and made this almost an either way type of fight. I scored it for Ali 7-5 but wouldn't argue with a draw. I'll watch fight III tonight.

I had III a dead draw.

The last time I watched I had Norton a winner close but clear. I'll score it again tonight.

chrisjs1985 wrote: ↑17 Jan 2019, 13:11

oogiebe wrote: ↑17 Jan 2019, 13:09

chrisjs1985 wrote: ↑17 Jan 2019, 13:06 I've been on a heavyweight binge lately. Last night I watched Ali-Norton I & II and will watch fight III tonight. I hadn't seen these fights in a long time. First fight I had Norton a close but relatively comfortable winner. Ali starting the faster but then a combination of Norton closing the distance and Ali being quite lethargic had Norton taking over by the middle rounds. Ali had a strong rally in the 11th, but Norton closed the show superbly and hammered Ali a bit in the 12th. I felt this fight could have been anything from 7-5 or 8-4 to Norton. Overall it's not a particularly fun fight.

Fight II Ali was definitely lighter on his feet and his movement made it really hard for Norton early. I had Ali up 5-1 by the half way point but then Norton came on again and I forget if it was the 7th or 8th round but Ali got hurt in that round and save for a strong final round (which he needed on my card), Norton had control of it and made this almost an either way type of fight. I scored it for Ali 7-5 but wouldn't argue with a draw. I'll watch fight III tonight.

I had III a dead draw.

The last time I watched I had Norton a winner close but clear. I'll score it again tonight.

I'll look forward to your score. I don't have any appetite to watch it again.

Pretty much on the same page as Chrisjs1985.
Thought Norton won at least 8 rounds in the first fight.
Thought Ali won the second fight; at least 7-5.
Had the third fight a draw.

All of the fights had a lot of close rounds. The third one in particular; I almost never score a round even; I had this fight 6-6-3.

Second fight was probably the best for both quality and for action.

Archie Moore vs Yvon Durelle I. Light Heavyweight Championship.

Looked like Durelle was all but beating the Mongoose in the first round, knocking Moore down three times. Durelle decked Moore again in the fifth. But Moore turned it around, really taking full control in the 7th. Finally kayoing Durelle in the 11th. Great fight to watch! Up their for one of my favorite comeback wins, and most exciting fights. Moore ko'd Durelle in three in the rematch.

chrisjs1985 wrote: ↑17 Jan 2019, 12:33

handsofstone wrote: ↑17 Jan 2019, 04:54 Ismael Laguna vs Carlos Ortiz 1


Laguna wins a SD over Ortiz to become World Lightweight champ, never scored it but it was razor tight all the way through and pretty much every round was difficult to score, nobody was down or hurt but it was still a high end contest from 2 world class boxers, Laguna was the flashier quicker boxer and danced around the ring for 15 rounds and fired in quick bursts whereas Ortiz was more workmanlike, getting in close and timing the left hook to perfection at times, the fight was fought at a high pace and both men could've got it but Laguna just edged it, he had a good 15th which was probably the clearest round of the fight

Ortiz outpointed Laguna in the rematch to regain the title but cant find it online

I've searched for years for the re-match and unfortunately it just hasn't emerged. I have a quick snippet of it and that's it. I do have the Buchanan-Laguna first fight though so hoping that this one can emerge too. Same for the Sugar Ramos re-match.

I felt this one perhaps should have gone Ortiz' way but it was an either way one round type of fight. The third fight is one of my all-time favorite boxing matches. Ortiz was masterful in that one.

You got Ken Buchanan vs Ismael Laguna first fight? Inbox me. Can I have a copy?

I sent you a PM. Did you get it?

elmersalsa wrote: ↑17 Jan 2019, 21:23

chrisjs1985 wrote: ↑17 Jan 2019, 12:33

handsofstone wrote: ↑17 Jan 2019, 04:54 Ismael Laguna vs Carlos Ortiz 1


Laguna wins a SD over Ortiz to become World Lightweight champ, never scored it but it was razor tight all the way through and pretty much every round was difficult to score, nobody was down or hurt but it was still a high end contest from 2 world class boxers, Laguna was the flashier quicker boxer and danced around the ring for 15 rounds and fired in quick bursts whereas Ortiz was more workmanlike, getting in close and timing the left hook to perfection at times, the fight was fought at a high pace and both men could've got it but Laguna just edged it, he had a good 15th which was probably the clearest round of the fight

Ortiz outpointed Laguna in the rematch to regain the title but cant find it online

I've searched for years for the re-match and unfortunately it just hasn't emerged. I have a quick snippet of it and that's it. I do have the Buchanan-Laguna first fight though so hoping that this one can emerge too. Same for the Sugar Ramos re-match.

I felt this one perhaps should have gone Ortiz' way but it was an either way one round type of fight. The third fight is one of my all-time favorite boxing matches. Ortiz was masterful in that one.

You got Ken Buchanan vs Ismael Laguna first fight? Inbox me. Can I have a copy?

Not sure if it’s regarded as a classic but just found a copy of Marquez-Katsidis saved on my PS3.

Round three must have been one of the best rounds that year, unbelievable stuff.

Great little fight. Marquez was awesome, exquisite bodywork.

oogiebe wrote: ↑11 Jan 2019, 13:35

chrisjs1985 wrote: ↑11 Jan 2019, 13:32

oogiebe wrote: ↑11 Jan 2019, 13:20
To be honest, I wanted to see the first fight and couldn't find it, as I'd rather see Olivares winning! (I admit I'm biased). Haven't searched out full-fight for III yet, but based on your post, I shouldn't bang my head. Olivares/Chacon were mostly fun as well.

The first fight should be on Youtube. If you can't find it let me know and I'll upload it.

Olivares is one of my favorites too. Have you seen his absolute WAR with Kanazawa? That's my favorite fight of his and his best performance was the Rose one.

I never saw the Kanazawa fight. I'll be sure to do so. I got exposed to Olivares during the early 70's via UHF channel 68 in NY, which showed fights seemingly every day. "Boxeo Profesional" I was very young and caught some amazing fights, including guys like Zamora; Zarate; Chacon; Olivares. I wish I had your knowledge and appreciate your suggestions and viewpoint!

There was a weekend show in Boston when I was 9 & 10 that would show those guys, also canto, b Gonzalez and a slew of gushiken fights for two hours on Saturday mornings. I was 9 watching flyweights instead of cartoons.

Covfefe wrote: ↑18 Jan 2019, 15:14 Not sure if it’s regarded as a classic but just found a copy of Marquez-Katsidis saved on my PS3.

Round three must have been one of the best rounds that year, unbelievable stuff.

Great little fight. Marquez was awesome, exquisite bodywork.

I was at that fight. Very enjoyable live fight

chrisjs1985 wrote: ↑18 Jan 2019, 15:51

Covfefe wrote: ↑18 Jan 2019, 15:14 Not sure if it’s regarded as a classic but just found a copy of Marquez-Katsidis saved on my PS3.

Round three must have been one of the best rounds that year, unbelievable stuff.

Great little fight. Marquez was awesome, exquisite bodywork.

I was at that fight. Very enjoyable live fight

Yeah, I enjoyed watching it at the time, this was the first time I’ve seen it since. Excellent fight. Huge fan of Marquez but Katsidis gave him hell in the first half of the fight.

oogiebe wrote: ↑17 Jan 2019, 13:14

chrisjs1985 wrote: ↑17 Jan 2019, 13:11

oogiebe wrote: ↑17 Jan 2019, 13:09
I had III a dead draw.

The last time I watched I had Norton a winner close but clear. I'll score it again tonight.

I'll look forward to your score. I don't have any appetite to watch it again.

I watched it last night and scored it to Norton by three.