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bennie wrote:

kikibalt wrote:
Brawl at the Olympic.

The Olympic developed a 'reputation'. We heard some terrible stories relating to Johnny Owen as he was being stretchered out of the ring on that fateful night in 1980.
Were you there, Frankie?

Yes I was there and I can say "it wasn't Pretty"

Mosley cops one.

Spide Webb

bennie wrote:
Mosley cops one.

Incidentally, do you know how Zack Padilla is doing these days, Frankie? He was forced to retire after suffering a brain aneurysm sparring Mosley. It was a cruel blow (literally). Zack was fighting better than ever and on the verge of some big paydays.

Enrique Bolanos can't believe he lost to Maxie Docusen, neither did I.

Frank,

Why did that brawl come about on the picture you posted? Was it an unpopular decision that led to the chaos or was it something else? BTW, did the dvds arrive yet?

Dagos,

Sad story you wrote there about Bud and his dog Shadow, very sad. As someone who has owned dogs all his life I can relate to the loss of a beloved pet, but in Bud`s case Shadow was his only friend which makes the loss that much more hurtful. My grandfather once told me that if it weren`t for pets, some people would never know the meaning of the word love and I agree with him. I am guessing the full story did not have a happy ending, and honestly I rather not know.

Fighting Pride

Monday, Nov. 26, 1951 Article.
In California, Lightweight Art Aragon is known as the "Golden Boy." He has a handsome profile, a flashy boxing style, and a smashing left that has knocked out half of his opponents. In Harlem, Lightweight Jimmy Carter is known by no nickname, has the plug-ugly looks of a club fighter, and has about as much crowd appeal as a store-window dummy in the rush hour. But Carter has some assets of his own: a deep pride in the lightweight title he took from Ike Williams in an upset last May, and, as the boxers say, "a pair of good hands." Last summer Carter met Aragon in a nontitle bout, and lost. Last week Jimmy Carter put his title on the line.*

The Golden Boy, 24, and three years younger than the champion, forced the fight for the first five rounds. He bobbed, jabbed, danced and feinted while Carter stolidly accepted his lumps, tossed back only a few retaliatory licks. But in Round 6, Carter opened up. A jarring left sent Golden Boy tumbling to the canvas for a count of three. Carter's slashing, two-fisted attack drove him from corner to corner. Aragon never won another round.

At the end of the fight, his left eye clamped tight, his right slashed, his lips swollen and his body a patchwork of welts, Golden Boy was a slightly tarnished matinee idol. Carter had also taken a beating: a cut over his eye took seven stitches, and may keep him out of action for a year. The $32,000 purse, most lucrative of his obscure career, would help heal the wound. But more important to Jimmy Carter was his title. In his first defense of it, he had come through like a real champion.


* Held in Los Angeles, it was the first "twilight" (7 p.m.) title fight in modern ring history, gave Eastern televiewers a chance to see the result before bedtime.

Lausse wrote:Frank,

Why did that brawl come about on the picture you posted? Was it an unpopular decision that led to the chaos or was it something else? BTW, did the dvds arrive yet?

Dagos,

Sad story you wrote there about Bud and his dog Shadow, very sad. As someone who has owned dogs all his life I can relate to the loss of a beloved pet, but in Bud`s case Shadow was his only friend which makes the loss that much more hurtful. My grandfather once told me that if it weren`t for pets, some people would never know the meaning of the word love and I agree with him. I am guessing the full story did not have a happy ending, and honestly I rather not know.

Las,
No on the dvd's

That brawl was before my time, can you believe that?, I'll fine out what it was all about.

Johnny Smith

Brawl at the Olympic.

A wild free-for-all, terrifying ringside patrons, broke out in the Olympic ring following the knockout of Abie Miller by Glen Lee in the tenth round. This scene shows the fight between Abie's brother, Hymie Miller, and Lee's second, Joey Greenberg, which provoked a mob affair in the ring a few minutes later. Photo dated: October 15, 1936.

kikibalt wrote:Fighting Pride

Monday, Nov. 26, 1951 Article.
In California, Lightweight Art Aragon is known as the "Golden Boy." He has a handsome profile, a flashy boxing style, and a smashing left that has knocked out half of his opponents. In Harlem, Lightweight Jimmy Carter is known by no nickname, has the plug-ugly looks of a club fighter, and has about as much crowd appeal as a store-window dummy in the rush hour. But Carter has some assets of his own: a deep pride in the lightweight title he took from Ike Williams in an upset last May, and, as the boxers say, "a pair of good hands." Last summer Carter met Aragon in a nontitle bout, and lost. Last week Jimmy Carter put his title on the line.*

The Golden Boy, 24, and three years younger than the champion, forced the fight for the first five rounds. He bobbed, jabbed, danced and feinted while Carter stolidly accepted his lumps, tossed back only a few retaliatory licks. But in Round 6, Carter opened up. A jarring left sent Golden Boy tumbling to the canvas for a count of three. Carter's slashing, two-fisted attack drove him from corner to corner. Aragon never won another round.

At the end of the fight, his left eye clamped tight, his right slashed, his lips swollen and his body a patchwork of welts, Golden Boy was a slightly tarnished matinee idol. Carter had also taken a beating: a cut over his eye took seven stitches, and may keep him out of action for a year. The $32,000 purse, most lucrative of his obscure career, would help heal the wound. But more important to Jimmy Carter was his title. In his first defense of it, he had come through like a real champion.


* Held in Los Angeles, it was the first "twilight" (7 p.m.) title fight in modern ring history, gave Eastern televiewers a chance to see the result before bedtime.

Slightly prejudiced writer, huh?

Lausse wrote:Frank,

Why did that brawl come about on the picture you posted? Was it an unpopular decision that led to the chaos or was it something else? BTW, did the dvds arrive yet?

Dagos,

Sad story you wrote there about Bud and his dog Shadow, very sad. As someone who has owned dogs all his life I can relate to the loss of a beloved pet, but in Bud`s case Shadow was his only friend which makes the loss that much more hurtful. My grandfather once told me that if it weren`t for pets, some people would never know the meaning of the word love and I agree with him. I am guessing the full story did not have a happy ending, and honestly I rather not know.

Got'em!
Thanks again.

scartissue wrote:

kikibalt wrote:

Oh man, ya got me on that one. I never would have thought it. I've only seen Harry as the rotund (280 lbs.) bald dude with what little hair he had left was white and always in those big Hawaiian shirts. Didn't they used to call him Hula Harry as well because of his attire?

Scartissue

I'm with you scar, I'd have never guessed that to be Harry Kabakoff. Harry's real name is Melville Hemilfarb, and of course, "El Russo Loco"! I split two fights with one of Kabakoff's bantams, Frankie Granados, who was trained by Jesus Pimentel. Pimentel and Kabakoff made quite a pair. Before one of Jesse's bouts in the late 60's, a photo came out in the Herald-Examiner of Harry & Jesus, dressed in costumes. Harry was Batman, and Pimentel as Robin.

Over the years they would co-manage boxers, promote fights in Southern Cal, San Antonio, and elsewhere. I saw Pimentel this past October and asked him when Kabakoff died? Jesus informed me that Harry Kabakoff was alive & well, living in Mexicali. You know, this guy was of the era of Steindler, and Parnassus, Eaton, etc. Considering his weight, the years boxing can tack onto a man, age, etc., I expected Harry to be long dead.

Great pic Frank!

-Rick

kikibalt wrote:
Johnny Smith

Kiki- I remember this guy very well, although he could never get a fight in L.A. Managed by Johnny Flores, Smith was tall & had these skinny bird legs, however, don't be fooled, he was one of the hardest one-punch hitters at 160lbs. Don't expect to read this fact anywhere else, Hell, the only people aware of "Joltin" Johnny Smith's power were those who stepped into the ring with him, and those with middleweight interests to protect. Smith was not worth the risk, to little to gain, and too much to lose. Smith always ended up fighting in the "other guy's" home town.

DAGOS. . .

Just want to say "Thanks", for all the great stories you share with us. Great stuff & well written. I've had to scroll back a few pages to catch up with them. This thread gains so many pages in a day it's easy to fall behind.

-Rick

Rick Farris wrote:DAGOS. . .

Just want to say "Thanks", for all the great stories you share with us. Great stuff & well written. I've had to scroll back a few pages to catch up with them. This thread gains so many pages in a day it's easy to fall behind.

-Rick

Thank you Rick for the kind words.
When Pug posted the Indian Red thread and then Frank followed with the photos,I knew I had a place to land.Frank mentioned your name and I had read some of your stories. I asked Frank if there was anyway you could contribute. Along with Bennie and Scar and some of the other fellas,this has developed into something special. A running conversation of personal experiences that is a combination of boxing history that translates to an allegory of life. The old fighter who is losing his talent,but maintaining his dignity. Substitute the word"fighter" with the word"man" and you have all that you can control at the end. Like my favorite fighter,Jose Napoles said when he retired,"I wanted to give them their money's worth"

I try to write about a brutal sport that has to be enacted in a brutal way,but in between the brutality there is often a fragility and beauty that can be written like a poem. I look at some of Frank's photographs of the expugs at their get togethers. Those pictures are so beautifull that the stories behind those faces deserve to be written with a dignity and style that exemplifies their beauty.

Rick Farris wrote:

scartissue wrote:

kikibalt wrote:

Oh man, ya got me on that one. I never would have thought it. I've only seen Harry as the rotund (280 lbs.) bald dude with what little hair he had left was white and always in those big Hawaiian shirts. Didn't they used to call him Hula Harry as well because of his attire?

Scartissue

I'm with you scar, I'd have never guessed that to be Harry Kabakoff. Harry's real name is Melville Hemilfarb, and of course, "El Russo Loco"! I split two fights with one of Kabakoff's bantams, Frankie Granados, who was trained by Jesus Pimentel. Pimentel and Kabakoff made quite a pair. Before one of Jesse's bouts in the late 60's, a photo came out in the Herald-Examiner of Harry & Jesus, dressed in costumes. Harry was Batman, and Pimentel as Robin.

Over the years they would co-manage boxers, promote fights in Southern Cal, San Antonio, and elsewhere. I saw Pimentel this past October and asked him when Kabakoff died? Jesus informed me that Harry Kabakoff was alive & well, living in Mexicali. You know, this guy was of the era of Steindler, and Parnassus, Eaton, etc. Considering his weight, the years boxing can tack onto a man, age, etc., I expected Harry to be long dead.

Great pic Frank!

-Rick

Rick,

These pics. of Harry, I got'em from a dvd that I have, I put the dvd on the player hit the pause button, and snap the pic. right of the tv.
I'll snap one of Harry as an old man in the next few days, right now I'm having a bad day to do anything.

kikibalt wrote:

Rick Farris wrote:

scartissue wrote: Oh man, ya got me on that one. I never would have thought it. I've only seen Harry as the rotund (280 lbs.) bald dude with what little hair he had left was white and always in those big Hawaiian shirts. Didn't they used to call him Hula Harry as well because of his attire?

Scartissue

I'm with you scar, I'd have never guessed that to be Harry Kabakoff. Harry's real name is Melville Hemilfarb, and of course, "El Russo Loco"! I split two fights with one of Kabakoff's bantams, Frankie Granados, who was trained by Jesus Pimentel. Pimentel and Kabakoff made quite a pair. Before one of Jesse's bouts in the late 60's, a photo came out in the Herald-Examiner of Harry & Jesus, dressed in costumes. Harry was Batman, and Pimentel as Robin.

Over the years they would co-manage boxers, promote fights in Southern Cal, San Antonio, and elsewhere. I saw Pimentel this past October and asked him when Kabakoff died? Jesus informed me that Harry Kabakoff was alive & well, living in Mexicali. You know, this guy was of the era of Steindler, and Parnassus, Eaton, etc. Considering his weight, the years boxing can tack onto a man, age, etc., I expected Harry to be long dead.

Great pic Frank!

-Rick

Rick,

These pics. of Harry, I got'em from a dvd that I have, I put the dvd on the player hit the pause button, and snap the pic. right of the tv.
I'll snap one of Harry as an old man in the next few days, right now I'm having a bad day to do anything.

Thanks amigo! Take care, maybe manana will be better?

-Rixter

Rick,Frank,calling all ships

There used to be a Mexican lightweight named "Lobito" Montoya. He fought some of the last main events at the Coliseum. Saw him lose to Jimmy Heair and Randy Shields just before the Coliseum turned into a furniture store. He was a tough kid from what I remember. Know about him?

kikibalt wrote:

Rick Farris wrote:

scartissue wrote: Oh man, ya got me on that one. I never would have thought it. I've only seen Harry as the rotund (280 lbs.) bald dude with what little hair he had left was white and always in those big Hawaiian shirts. Didn't they used to call him Hula Harry as well because of his attire?

Scartissue

I'm with you scar, I'd have never guessed that to be Harry Kabakoff. Harry's real name is Melville Hemilfarb, and of course, "El Russo Loco"! I split two fights with one of Kabakoff's bantams, Frankie Granados, who was trained by Jesus Pimentel. Pimentel and Kabakoff made quite a pair. Before one of Jesse's bouts in the late 60's, a photo came out in the Herald-Examiner of Harry & Jesus, dressed in costumes. Harry was Batman, and Pimentel as Robin.

Over the years they would co-manage boxers, promote fights in Southern Cal, San Antonio, and elsewhere. I saw Pimentel this past October and asked him when Kabakoff died? Jesus informed me that Harry Kabakoff was alive & well, living in Mexicali. You know, this guy was of the era of Steindler, and Parnassus, Eaton, etc. Considering his weight, the years boxing can tack onto a man, age, etc., I expected Harry to be long dead.

Great pic Frank!

-Rick

Rick,

These pics. of Harry, I got'em from a dvd that I have, I put the dvd on the player hit the pause button, and snap the pic. right of the tv.
I'll snap one of Harry as an old man in the next few days, right now I'm having a bad day to do anything.

FYI, When I'm having a bad day,I have the wife make "Tejuino". Fixes me right up. Or when I used to go to "mi cunada's" rancho in Valle de Juarez in Jalisco,I'd take a glass out to the cow pasture and find a cow. Grab the cow's tit and squeeze the warm milk into the glass. Then put a tablespoon of that crystal chocolate(Ovaltine)in the glass with the milk .A teaspoon of sugar. And then a good shot of some of " mi cunada's" homemade mezcal. They call it down there"Agua del Cielo"(Water of Heaven). After a glass of this stuff "No Mas Problemas"

Kikibalt wrote:

Rick,

These pics. of Harry, I got'em from a dvd that I have, I put the dvd on the player hit the pause button, and snap the pic. right of the tv.
I'll snap one of Harry as an old man in the next few days, right now I'm having a bad day to do anything.[/quote]



Frank, that picture of Kabakoff from '51, was taken just months before I was born. I began participating in L.A. boxing in '64, just over a dozen years later. Now, just 12 or 13 years after that picture, Harry looked nothing like he did a few years earlier. I mean, his body and looks really fell apart in that time span.

I recall seeing him for the first time live, in late '65. My dad and I attended the Pimentel-Medel fight at the Sports Arena. Kabakoff was the fat, bald, Hawiian-shirt guy that Scar described. In the photo, he appears to be an early 50's game show host. You know, win a "Week in Hawaii" with "Hula Harry & Friends", courtesy of Pabst Blue Ribbon and Gillette. It would air between, "I Love Lucy" and "The Honeymooners".

A lot of interesting stories related to the Olympic Auditorium, Aileen Eaton, Harry Kabakoff, Howie Steindler, Bennie Georgino, Jackie McCoy, Don Chargin. What an era! (the 60's & 70's, I'm referring to.)


-Rick

dagosd2000 wrote:

kikibalt wrote:

Rick Farris wrote: I'm with you scar, I'd have never guessed that to be Harry Kabakoff. Harry's real name is Melville Hemilfarb, and of course, "El Russo Loco"! I split two fights with one of Kabakoff's bantams, Frankie Granados, who was trained by Jesus Pimentel. Pimentel and Kabakoff made quite a pair. Before one of Jesse's bouts in the late 60's, a photo came out in the Herald-Examiner of Harry & Jesus, dressed in costumes. Harry was Batman, and Pimentel as Robin.

Over the years they would co-manage boxers, promote fights in Southern Cal, San Antonio, and elsewhere. I saw Pimentel this past October and asked him when Kabakoff died? Jesus informed me that Harry Kabakoff was alive & well, living in Mexicali. You know, this guy was of the era of Steindler, and Parnassus, Eaton, etc. Considering his weight, the years boxing can tack onto a man, age, etc., I expected Harry to be long dead.

Great pic Frank!

-Rick

Rick,

These pics. of Harry, I got'em from a dvd that I have, I put the dvd on the player hit the pause button, and snap the pic. right of the tv.
I'll snap one of Harry as an old man in the next few days, right now I'm having a bad day to do anything.

FYI, When I'm having a bad day,I have the wife make "Tejuino". Fixes me right up. Or when I used to go to "mi cunada's" rancho in Valle de Juarez in Jalisco,I'd take a glass out to the cow pasture and find a cow. Grab the cow's tit and squeeze the warm milk into the glass. Then put a tablespoon of that crystal chocolate(Ovaltine)in the glass with the milk .A teaspoon of sugar. And then a good shot of some of my "cunada's" homemade mezcal. They call it down there"Agua del Cielo"(Water of Heaven). After a glass of this stuff "No Mas Problemas"

I don't think that would work on my cancer and diabetes.

Rick Farris wrote:Kikibalt wrote:

Rick,

These pics. of Harry, I got'em from a dvd that I have, I put the dvd on the player hit the pause button, and snap the pic. right of the tv.
I'll snap one of Harry as an old man in the next few days, right now I'm having a bad day to do anything.

Frank, that picture of Kabakoff from '51, was taken just months before I was born. I began participating in L.A. boxing in '64, just over a dozen years later. Now, just 12 or 13 years after that picture, Harry looked nothing like he did a few years earlier. I mean, his body and looks really fell apart in that time span.

I recall seeing him for the first time live, in late '65. My dad and I attended the Pimentel-Medel fight at the Sports Arena. Kabakoff was the fat, bald, Hawiian-shirt guy that Scar described. In the photo, he appears to be an early 50's game show host. You know, win a "Week in Hawaii" with "Hula Harry & Friends", courtesy of Pabst Blue Ribbon and Gillette. It would air between, "I Love Lucy" and "The Honeymooners".

A lot of interesting stories related to the Olympic Auditorium, Aileen Eaton, Harry Kabakoff, Howie Steindler, Bennie Georgino, Jackie McCoy, Don Chargin. What an era! (the 60's & 70's, I'm referring to.)


-Rick[/quote]

Hey Rick,did Mickie Davies run with that group you mentioned? I met him a few times. Seemed like a decent fellow. Once told me he never had a card that went off as planned.

Mr D.

Lobito fought some good figthers, just take a look at his record.


Raul Montoya

Alias Lobito
Country Mexico
Global Id 22801
Hometown Fresnillo
Division Lightweight
Born 1946-11-25


Career Record © http://www.boxrec.com

Date Opponent Location Result
1976-08-13 Paul Teibl San Diego, USA W KO 4
1974-08-30 Randy Shields San Diego, USA L PTS 10
1974-07-19 Jimmy Heair San Diego, USA L PTS 10
1974-04-17 Alberto Reyes Stockton, USA D PTS 10
1974-04-03 Alberto Reyes Stockton, USA W PTS 10
1973-12-07 Hector Thompson Brisbane, Australia L PTS 10
1973-09-18 Monroe Brooks Sacramento, USA L PTS 10
1973-08-17 Jimmy Heair San Diego, USA L PTS 10
1973-08-03 Miguel Mayan San Diego, USA D PTS 10
1973-07-09 Ali Afakasi Auckland, New Zealand L PTS 10
1973-05-21 Esteban De Jesus San Juan, Puerto Rico L PTS 10
1973-05-03 Miguel Mayan Reno, USA W KO 5
1973-01-20 Alfonso Frazer Panama City, Panama L UD 10
1972-12-09 Raymundo Dias Denver, USA L PTS 8
1972-11-29 Al Ford Edmonton, Canada L PTS 10
1972-10-19 Ray Lampkin Portland, USA L PTS 10
1972-07-24 Ray Lunny III San Carlos, USA L PTS 10
1972-06-16 Jerry Jacobs San Jose, USA L PTS 10
1972-04-27 Juan Collado San Jose, USA L PTS 12
1972-03-11 Ruben Navarro Long Beach, USA L UD 10
1971-10-27 Nick Aghai San Diego, USA W PTS 10
1971-08-12 William Martinez San Jose, Costa Rica L PTS 10
1971-07-29 Jose Isaac Marin San Jose, Costa Rica L PTS 10
1971-07-03 Bobby Jordan Santa Monica, USA L UD 10
1971-03-13 Felipe Torres Woodland Hills, USA L UD 12
1970-10-27 Al Ford Edmonton, Canada L PTS 10
1970-09-12 Baby Luis Woodland Hills, USA L UD 12
1970-07-17 Jaguar Kakizawa San Antonio, USA W UD 10
1970-03-19 Pajarito Corona Los Angeles, USA W UD 12
1970-02-14 Delfino Rosales Inglewood, USA W KO 5
1969-10-21 Jesus Almazan Tijuana, Mexico W TKO 7
1969-07-29 Ray Adigun Woodland Hills, USA W SD 12
1969-06-11 Ray Adigun Woodland Hills, USA W MD 12
1969-02-24 Eddie Linder Tijuana, Mexico W PTS 10
1969-01-27 Rigoberto Chavarin Tijuana, Mexico W DQ 6
1968-12-09 Marcello Cid Bakersfield, USA W KO 5
1968-10-17 Curley Aguirre Honolulu, USA W PTS 8
1968-09-21 Eliseo Estrada Ventura, USA W PTS 8
1968-08-09 Felipe Torres San Bernardino, USA D PTS 10
1968-07-01 Pete Gonzalez Tijuana, Mexico L PTS 10
1967-12-07 Dwight Hawkins Los Angeles, USA L TKO 8
1967-05-24 Javier Ayala Tijuana, Mexico W PTS 10
1967-05-01 Manuel Tarazon San Bernardino, USA W KO 4
1967-03-06 Frankie Crawford Tijuana, Mexico W PTS 10
1966-12-10 Chamaco Fuentes Tijuana, Mexico W PTS 10
1966-06-25 Clemente Sanchez Monterrey, Mexico W PTS 10
1965-12-18 Alfredo Sanchez Guadalajara, Mexico W PTS 10
1965-11-27 Chebo (Eusebio) Salazar Guadalajara, Mexico W KO 3
1965-09-25 Jenaro Jaiton Guadalajara, Mexico W PTS 10
1965-05-01 Lupe Mendez Guadalajara, Mexico W KO 4
1965-04-12 Rene Macias Guaymas, Mexico W KO 2
1965-02-27 Ray Vega Guadalajara, Mexico W PTS 10
1965-01-30 Grilton Dwison Guadalajara, Mexico W KO 4
1964-07-06 Dinometa Rajor Fresnillo, Mexico W KO 3
1964-06-06 Pegaso Lopez Guadalajara, Mexico W PTS 10
1964-05-16 Domingo Jimenez Guadalajara, Mexico W KO 4
1964-03-25 Chocolate Sambeona Colima, Mexico W PTS 10
1964-03-15 Maximo Riveira Guadalajara, Mexico W KO 2
1964-02-29 Adrian Zarco Guadalajara, Mexico W TKO 6
1964-02-15 Agustin Martinez Guadalajara, Mexico W KO 2

Record to Date
Won 34 (KOs 15) Lost 23 Drawn 3 Total 60