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lefty wrote:Also Velasquez- JDS is a little different as Cain is a very strong wrestler. Aldo is primarily a very good striker who has extremely good TDD. It's pretty unlikely he's gonna wrestle eff McGregor to death.

You need to watch some more Aldo fights lefty, his grappling is insane he has something like a 78% takedown efficiency, his BJJ is unbelievable(brown belt world champ - world champs at purple belt are better than most black belts who are in the UFC or just in general) if he decides to grapple McGregor like he should it would be one sided. Diaz isn't the grappler Aldo is, seriously Lefty try and watch some of the fights where Aldo decides to grapple he favours positions over submission but he slices through guards like a hot knife through butter and his guard has never been close to being passed.

Impractical Poster wrote:Count me in for a McGregor/Aldo rematch. Aldo more than deserves it. Up until the Conor loss, Aldo had been the only UFC FW title holder. Anyone can get caught cold. Conor holding the FW title hostage is atrocious. I like the Alvarez fight as well, but Conor should be stripped already. The sad thing is that Conor most likely will not go back down to FW. And if that's the case, and Conor somehow beats Eddie, as absurd as it sounds at the moment, give Aldo a direct title shot at the LW title. They really owe it to him the way they have been treating him. They have basically been shitting on Aldo ever since Conor has burst on to the scene.

Honestly, I think Conor is a bit shy about making that rematch at any weight. He has a ton to lose this time around.

Call me crazy but I see this actually happening, Aldo is like I said everywhere right now. If Connor wins its a bigger fight than anyone at LW right now, I don't see Dana in a hurry to match McG with Khabib right now and if he loses FW is his only option.

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lefty wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote: I don't think Aldo plans on getting hit much in a rematch. You have to admit, the Aldo that came out against Conor was not the normally measured Aldo we are used to seeing.

I thought Aldo fought more intelligently in the second Edgar fight but in the second Mundes fight it was a slug fest pretty much. Aldo can fight intelligently but he also does end up brawling at times.

If he ends up in a brawl with Conor in a rematch, he deserves to get KOed.

Agree, if I was in Aldo's corner I would tell him to grapple for the first 2 rounds almost exclusively, while throwing hard inside leg kicks(away from Macs left - kick circle straight off kick again) close the distance from that and TD. I think going into the 3rd he can take more chance because Conor's power *from what we've seen* has a period of about a round and half.

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lefty wrote:Also Velasquez- JDS is a little different as Cain is a very strong wrestler. Aldo is primarily a very good striker who has extremely good TDD. It's pretty unlikely he's gonna wrestle eff McGregor to death.

You need to watch some more Aldo fights lefty, his grappling is insane he has something like a 78% takedown efficiency, his BJJ is unbelievable(brown belt world champ - world champs at purple belt are better than most black belts who are in the UFC or just in general) if he decides to grapple McGregor like he should it would be one sided. Diaz isn't the grappler Aldo is, seriously Lefty try and watch some of the fights where Aldo decides to grapple he favours positions over submission but he slices through guards like a hot knife through butter and his guard has never been close to being passed.

His takedown defense is also a testament to how good his wrestling is.

There were two factors in the first fight. Conor's power, and Aldo's nerves. I'm not saying Aldo would win a rematch (although I would pick him), but I believe if nerves are not a factor, we have a much better fight.

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lefty wrote: I thought Aldo fought more intelligently in the second Edgar fight but in the second Mundes fight it was a slug fest pretty much. Aldo can fight intelligently but he also does end up brawling at times.

If he ends up in a brawl with Conor in a rematch, he deserves to get KOed.

Agree, if I was in Aldo's corner I would tell him to grapple for the first 2 rounds almost exclusively, while throwing hard inside leg kicks(away from Macs left - kick circle straight off kick again) close the distance from that and TD. I think going into the 3rd he can take more chance because Conor's power *from what we've seen* has a period of about a round and half.

That sounds right. He should move, be measured, throw strong leg kicks (ala Faber), use the kicks to set up intelligent take downs. Then let loose once the tank is empty. Easier said than done of course, Conor's pressure is a beast. But I feel Jose's speed and movement are good enough to stay out of harms way for a while.

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p4p1 wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote: If he ends up in a brawl with Conor in a rematch, he deserves to get KOed.

Agree, if I was in Aldo's corner I would tell him to grapple for the first 2 rounds almost exclusively, while throwing hard inside leg kicks(away from Macs left - kick circle straight off kick again) close the distance from that and TD. I think going into the 3rd he can take more chance because Conor's power *from what we've seen* has a period of about a round and half.

That sounds right. He should move, be measured, throw strong leg kicks (ala Faber), use the kicks to set up intelligent take downs. Then let loose once the tank is empty. Easier said than done of course, Conor's pressure is a beast. But I feel Jose's speed and movement are good enough to stay out of harms way for a while.

I don't think it was nerves, I think it was emotion. It's for me the fight I want to see the most, If Conor wins a rematch than FairPlay to him he did what he said he could. But I want to see a proper fight between the two. I think the new to beating Conor for Aldo and a lot of guys will be countering him when he's in mid range then closing the distance and staying well outside when he's trying to have you at long range(his biggest advantage). Be an interesting fight at 205 and win or lose seeing what happens next is very interesting as well.

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Impractical Poster wrote:

p4p1 wrote: Agree, if I was in Aldo's corner I would tell him to grapple for the first 2 rounds almost exclusively, while throwing hard inside leg kicks(away from Macs left - kick circle straight off kick again) close the distance from that and TD. I think going into the 3rd he can take more chance because Conor's power *from what we've seen* has a period of about a round and half.

That sounds right. He should move, be measured, throw strong leg kicks (ala Faber), use the kicks to set up intelligent take downs. Then let loose once the tank is empty. Easier said than done of course, Conor's pressure is a beast. But I feel Jose's speed and movement are good enough to stay out of harms way for a while.

I don't think it was nerves, I think it was emotion. It's for me the fight I want to see the most, If Conor wins a rematch than FairPlay to him he did what he said he could. But I want to see a proper fight between the two. I think the new to beating Conor for Aldo and a lot of guys will be countering him when he's in mid range then closing the distance and staying well outside when he's trying to have you at long range(his biggest advantage). Be an interesting fight at 205 and win or lose seeing what happens next is very interesting as well.

I'm equating nerves to emotions. But, what ever it was, Conor got in his head. And good for Conor, it's part of the game. But, now that Aldo has been through it, and the worst thing that could have happened to him already happened, I'm hoping he will deal with the head games properly in a rematch.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lsJ2pOD61sA
Lefty and anyone else interested.
Mike Brown vs Jose Aldo - end of the fight is in second round if you want fast forward, but it's an exciting fight. Brown is a great grappler and a BJJ black belt and look how quickly Jose mounted him when he decided to, I'll try and find more fights were he grappled but from memory - Florian fight he mounted florian with ease when he decided to grapple, crucifixed Faber, took down and mounted Lamas all hold solid black belts and he played with them on the ground.

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Impractical Poster wrote: That sounds right. He should move, be measured, throw strong leg kicks (ala Faber), use the kicks to set up intelligent take downs. Then let loose once the tank is empty. Easier said than done of course, Conor's pressure is a beast. But I feel Jose's speed and movement are good enough to stay out of harms way for a while.

I don't think it was nerves, I think it was emotion. It's for me the fight I want to see the most, If Conor wins a rematch than FairPlay to him he did what he said he could. But I want to see a proper fight between the two. I think the new to beating Conor for Aldo and a lot of guys will be countering him when he's in mid range then closing the distance and staying well outside when he's trying to have you at long range(his biggest advantage). Be an interesting fight at 205 and win or lose seeing what happens next is very interesting as well.

I'm equating nerves to emotions. But, what ever it was, Conor got in his head. And good for Conor, it's part of the game. But, now that Aldo has been through it, and the worst thing that could have happened to him already happened, I'm hoping he will deal with the head games properly in a rematch.

I said that Conor could never intimidate Aldo because of where he was from and how he grew up in the favela. But while he was never intimidated Conor managed to get so far under his skin that Aldo threw every bit of skill, patience and technique he learned in the last 7 years as champ out the window(before he was champ he was wreckless but so exciting) I want to see how the fight plays out though over the distance.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7mc_FVYepBE

I don't know much about this fight and I've only just started watching but the moment it hits the floor he gets straight into mount.

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SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

p4p1 wrote: Then you have no interest in the best fighting the best.

McGregor/Alvarez is the best fighting the best. It's two champions. Hendo is a top 5 Atg and I love legends last stands. Nothing to complain about from my seat.

Hendo is not a top 5 ATG far too inconsistent. Mcgregor still hasn't proven himself worthy of a super fight like other champions who were denied one.

Lol. You detest McGregor to the point of being irrational. Hendo is inconsistent in his 40's. He's easily faced the greatest opposition in mma history and nobody else is even close.

Impractical Poster wrote:Count me in for a McGregor/Aldo rematch. Aldo more than deserves it. Up until the Conor loss, Aldo had been the only UFC FW title holder. Anyone can get caught cold. Conor holding the FW title hostage is atrocious. I like the Alvarez fight as well, but Conor should be stripped already. The sad thing is that Conor most likely will not go back down to FW. And if that's the case, and Conor somehow beats Eddie, as absurd as it sounds at the moment, give Aldo a direct title shot at the LW title. They really owe it to him the way they have been treating him. They have basically been shitting on Aldo ever since Conor has burst on to the scene.

Honestly, I think Conor is a bit shy about making that rematch at any weight. He has a ton to lose this time around.

They should have stripped him when he did the Diaz rematch. Doesn't matter now, he'll drop it after the fight if he wins. Though I think Eddie is going to kick his ass and then you'll get the Aldo fight. Not like Jose was going to fight before November anyway. While I exaggerated with no interest, I'm an Aldo fan, you can't headline a super card with a rematch of a 13 second ko. I'd love Aldo/Nate at 55. Nate is one of my all time favorites but that is a very favorable match up for Aldo.

Hendo has had a great career but no way is he one of the 5 greatest of all time. Just off the top of my head: GSP, Anderson Silva, Fedor, Aldo, Hughes.

There are probably a few other guys I'd put ahead of him too.

jujigatame wrote:Hendo has had a great career but no way is he one of the 5 greatest of all time. Just off the top of my head: GSP, Anderson Silva, Fedor, Aldo, Hughes.

There are probably a few other guys I'd put ahead of him too.

He's definitely greater than Fedor or Hughes.

I shouldn't say that, it's subjective. I'd have him over them and Silva. His resume is pretty sick. He has to have at least 10 or 12 wins over UFC/pride champions. I doubt anyone else beats that.

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p4p1 wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: McGregor/Alvarez is the best fighting the best. It's two champions. Hendo is a top 5 Atg and I love legends last stands. Nothing to complain about from my seat.

Hendo is not a top 5 ATG far too inconsistent. Mcgregor still hasn't proven himself worthy of a super fight like other champions who were denied one.

Lol. You detest McGregor to the point of being irrational. Hendo is inconsistent in his 40's. He's easily faced the greatest opposition in mma history and nobody else is even close.

No Hendo has always been inconsistent even going back to his pride days. He has always had trouble stringing together top wins together. He used to be called decision dan thanks to some questionable wins. He has fought the who's who of MMA but he was beaten a lot of the time and that's without brining up his longtime use of TRT.
1 - 2 against Lil Nog
0 - 1 against Silva
1 - 2 against Belfort
0 - 1 against Arona
1 - 1 with Wanderlei

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

jujigatame wrote:Hendo has had a great career but no way is he one of the 5 greatest of all time. Just off the top of my head: GSP, Anderson Silva, Fedor, Aldo, Hughes.

There are probably a few other guys I'd put ahead of him too.

He's definitely greater than Fedor or Hughes.

Greater than Fedor cmon man Fedors reign at the top was fornicating unreal

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:I shouldn't say that, it's subjective. I'd have him over them and Silva. His resume is pretty sick. He has to have at least 10 or 12 wins over UFC/pride champions. I doubt anyone else beats that.

Have him over Silva who destroyed him? Silva who was able to put 16 straight wins together in the UFC and had 9 or 10 title defences seriously?

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Impractical Poster wrote:Count me in for a McGregor/Aldo rematch. Aldo more than deserves it. Up until the Conor loss, Aldo had been the only UFC FW title holder. Anyone can get caught cold. Conor holding the FW title hostage is atrocious. I like the Alvarez fight as well, but Conor should be stripped already. The sad thing is that Conor most likely will not go back down to FW. And if that's the case, and Conor somehow beats Eddie, as absurd as it sounds at the moment, give Aldo a direct title shot at the LW title. They really owe it to him the way they have been treating him. They have basically been shitting on Aldo ever since Conor has burst on to the scene.

Honestly, I think Conor is a bit shy about making that rematch at any weight. He has a ton to lose this time around.

They should have stripped him when he did the Diaz rematch. Doesn't matter now, he'll drop it after the fight if he wins. Though I think Eddie is going to kick his ass and then you'll get the Aldo fight. Not like Jose was going to fight before November anyway. While I exaggerated with no interest, I'm an Aldo fan, you can't headline a super card with a rematch of a 13 second ko. I'd love Aldo/Nate at 55. Nate is one of my all time favorites but that is a very favorable match up for Aldo.

I'd love that fight as well but it would be non stop leg kicks. Would be interesting to see how Aldo dealt with Nates length and Nate would *arguably*' be the most dangerous guy he went to ground with if it hit the mat.

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SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

p4p1 wrote: Hendo is not a top 5 ATG far too inconsistent. Mcgregor still hasn't proven himself worthy of a super fight like other champions who were denied one.

Lol. You detest McGregor to the point of being irrational. Hendo is inconsistent in his 40's. He's easily faced the greatest opposition in mma history and nobody else is even close.

No Hendo has always been inconsistent even going back to his pride days. He has always had trouble stringing together top wins together. He used to be called decision dan thanks to some questionable wins. He has fought the who's who of MMA but he was beaten a lot of the time and that's without brining up his longtime use of TRT.
1 - 2 against Lil Nog
0 - 1 against Silva
1 - 2 against Belfort
0 - 1 against Arona
1 - 1 with Wanderlei

Whatever you say.

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SaadOffTheDeck wrote:I shouldn't say that, it's subjective. I'd have him over them and Silva. His resume is pretty sick. He has to have at least 10 or 12 wins over UFC/pride champions. I doubt anyone else beats that.

Have him over Silva who destroyed him? Silva who was able to put 16 straight wins together in the UFC and had 9 or 10 title defences seriously?

Yup. Part of that might be annoying the definitive nature of the announcers and fans proclaiming Silva the goat is. Destroyed? Exaggerate much? Dan won the first round. Got clipped and subbed at the end of the second. No doubt Silva was great, I find him overrated.

Regardless of where you rank him I would hope we can agree that he's one of the best ever so my initial point remains the same. Bisping deserves it too imo, he's towed the line for a lot of years and neither one of them is likely to beat the next contender. Everything doesn't have to be an exact science. This fight will sell more than any other possible fight with the top contenders and it's 50/50. I don't get the hate.

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SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

jujigatame wrote:Hendo has had a great career but no way is he one of the 5 greatest of all time. Just off the top of my head: GSP, Anderson Silva, Fedor, Aldo, Hughes.

There are probably a few other guys I'd put ahead of him too.

He's definitely greater than Fedor or Hughes.

Greater than Fedor cmon man Fedors reign at the top was effing unreal

And then your next post is about Silva destroying Dan? He massacred Fedor.

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Impractical Poster wrote:Count me in for a McGregor/Aldo rematch. Aldo more than deserves it. Up until the Conor loss, Aldo had been the only UFC FW title holder. Anyone can get caught cold. Conor holding the FW title hostage is atrocious. I like the Alvarez fight as well, but Conor should be stripped already. The sad thing is that Conor most likely will not go back down to FW. And if that's the case, and Conor somehow beats Eddie, as absurd as it sounds at the moment, give Aldo a direct title shot at the LW title. They really owe it to him the way they have been treating him. They have basically been shitting on Aldo ever since Conor has burst on to the scene.

Honestly, I think Conor is a bit shy about making that rematch at any weight. He has a ton to lose this time around.

They should have stripped him when he did the Diaz rematch. Doesn't matter now, he'll drop it after the fight if he wins. Though I think Eddie is going to kick his ass and then you'll get the Aldo fight. Not like Jose was going to fight before November anyway. While I exaggerated with no interest, I'm an Aldo fan, you can't headline a super card with a rematch of a 13 second ko. I'd love Aldo/Nate at 55. Nate is one of my all time favorites but that is a very favorable match up for Aldo.

I'd love that fight as well but it would be non stop leg kicks. Would be interesting to see how Aldo dealt with Nates length and Nate would *arguably*' be the most dangerous guy he went to ground with if it hit the mat.

No reason for it to hit the ground. Just crush his legs.nate has no chance of a takedown.

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p4p1 wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: He's definitely greater than Fedor or Hughes.

Greater than Fedor cmon man Fedors reign at the top was effing unreal

And then your next post is about Silva destroying Dan? He massacred Fedor.

Fedor was clearly past it. Silva and Hendo was champ vs champ. The Hendo vs Fedor fight means about as much as Hendo and Silva fighting now.

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SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

p4p1 wrote: Greater than Fedor cmon man Fedors reign at the top was effing unreal

And then your next post is about Silva destroying Dan? He massacred Fedor.

Fedor was clearly past it. Silva and Hendo was champ vs champ. The Hendo vs Fedor fight means about as much as Hendo and Silva fighting now.

Hendo was past it too. Means enough and a perfect example of Dan's greatness. A decade older, giving up 30 pounds and you give no credit because the younger guy was past it.

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p4p1 wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:I shouldn't say that, it's subjective. I'd have him over them and Silva. His resume is pretty sick. He has to have at least 10 or 12 wins over UFC/pride champions. I doubt anyone else beats that.

Have him over Silva who destroyed him? Silva who was able to put 16 straight wins together in the UFC and had 9 or 10 title defences seriously?

Yup. Part of that might be annoying the definitive nature of the announcers and fans proclaiming Silva the goat is. Destroyed? Exaggerate much? Dan won the first round. Got clipped and subbed at the end of the second. No doubt Silva was great, I find him overrated.

Regardless of where you rank him I would hope we can agree that he's one of the best ever so my initial point remains the same. Bisping deserves it too imo, he's towed the line for a lot of years and neither one of them is likely to beat the next contender. Everything doesn't have to be an exact science. This fight will sell more than any other possible fight with the top contenders and it's 50/50. I don't get the hate.

Yes he won a round but got no offence off and from memory until the takedown was losing the round anyway. He did get destroyed though in the second round he got caught, then bashed on the ground and subbed out. He's a great fighter I agree I just don't believe he had the consistency to be considered top 5. Wins pride WW title loses next fight beats Wand(who had just been knocked out by Cro Cop) loses to Rampage and Silva that kind of pattern was consistent throughout his career. I underarm ad Bisping wants the fight but it shouldn't hold the division up. It's very unlikely that he beats any of the top 4 so he could have his revenge after he loses. The hate is that there is at least 2 fighters that deserve a shot but they have to wait so a guy ranked 12 can have a title shot. It's just not fair for Romero, Jacare or Weidman.